House Holds Closed Session To Discuss Surveillance Bill

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PAMELA HESS | March 14, 2008 08:32 PM EST | AP

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President Bush makes a statement on FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) legislation, Thursday, March 13, 2008, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — The House on Friday approved a Democratic bill that would set rules for the government's eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails inside the United States. The bill, approved as lawmakers departed for a two-week break, faces a veto threat from President Bush. The margin of House approval was 213-197, largely along party lines.

Because of the promised veto, "this vote has no impact at all," said Republican Whip Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri.

The president's main objection is that the bill does not protect from lawsuits the telecommunications companies that allowed the government to eavesdrop on their customers without a court's permission after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. White House spokesman Tony Fratto called the measure a "political ploy" designed to give Democrats cover for their failure to grant full retroactive immunity to the telecom companies.

The vote sent the bill to the Senate, which has passed its own version that includes the legal immunity for telecom companies that Bush is demanding.

Without that provision, House Republicans said, the companies won't cooperate with U.S. intelligence.

"We cannot conduct foreign surveillance without them. But if we continue to subject them to billion-dollar lawsuits, we risk losing their cooperation in the future," said Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas.

The government does have the power to compel telecommunications companies to cooperate with wiretaps if it gets warrants from a secret court. The government apparently did not get such warrants before initiating the post-9/11 wiretaps, which are the basis for the lawsuits.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, said the bill is meant to fix that. It would let a judge determine whether lawsuits should be dismissed, rather than having Congress make that decision.

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"I believe that the nation is deeply concerned about what has gone on for the last seven years, and I want to restore some of the trust in the intelligence community," Reyes said.

About 40 lawsuits have been filed against telecommunications companies by people and organizations alleging the companies violated wiretapping and privacy laws. The lawsuits have been combined and are pending before a single federal judge in California.

The Democrats' measure would encourage the judge to review in private the secret government documents underpinning the program to decide if the companies acted lawfully.

The administration has prevented those documents from being revealed, even to a judge, by invoking the state secrets privilege. That puts the companies in a bind because they are unable to defend themselves.

Just a fraction of Congress has been granted access to the records.

Democrats argued against quashing the lawsuits without knowing in detail why the immunity is necessary.

Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., said the government may have as many as five ongoing clandestine surveillance programs. "Congress is not fully informed, and it would be reckless to grant retroactive immunity without knowing the scope of programs out there," Harman said.

"All members of Congress should see those documents so they could see the breadth and scope" of the wiretapping program, said Rep. John Tierney, D-Mass.

The surveillance law is intended to help the government pursue suspected terrorists by making it easier to eavesdrop on international phone calls and e-mails between foreigners abroad and Americans in the U.S, and remove barriers to collecting purely foreign communications that pass through the United States_ for instance, foreign e-mails stored on a server.

A temporary law expired Feb. 16 before Congress was able to produce a replacement bill. Bush opposed an extension of the temporary law as a means to pressure Congress into accepting the Senate version of the surveillance legislation.

Bush and most Capitol Hill Republicans say the lawsuits are damaging national security and unfairly punish telecommunications companies for helping the government in a time of war.

"There is not one iota of evidence that the companies acted inappropriately whatsoever," said Rep. Dan Lungren, R-Calif.

Democrats say the bill protects the privacy rights of Americans by making sure the telecommunications companies _ and the wiretapping program _ did not violate any laws.

"We have the opportunity to serve the protection of our country ... and uphold our oath to preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md. "Let us take that opportunity."

The Democratic bill also would initiate a yearlong bipartisan panel modeled after the 9/11 Commission to investigate the administration's so-called warrantless wiretapping program.

Friday's vote came after House Republicans forced a rare, late-night secret session of Congress on Thursday to discuss the bill. It was the first such session of the House in a quarter century; the last one was in 1983, on U.S. support for paramilitary operations in Nicaragua. Only five closed sessions have occurred in the House since 1825.

Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee of Texas said she didn't believe any minds were changed on the bill.

"We couldn't have gone more of an extra mile to make sure we're doing the best for national security," she said.

WASHINGTON — The House on Friday approved a Democratic bill that would set rules for the government's eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails inside the United States. The bill, approved as law...
WASHINGTON — The House on Friday approved a Democratic bill that would set rules for the government's eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails inside the United States. The bill, approved as law...
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- quest44 I'm a Fan of quest44 8 fans permalink

The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest . The necessary and unavoidable merger of the US and Canada (for their natural resources) and Mexico (for their cheap labor pool).The issuence of a new currency (the Amero) for all three nations as a proposed solution to the coming economic amegeddon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 03/15/2008
- quest44 I'm a Fan of quest44 8 fans permalink

The detention of those rounded up at Rex 84 camps throughout the US ,
The possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapse

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 03/15/2008
- quest44 I'm a Fan of quest44 8 fans permalink

The possibility of a Civil War inside the US as a result of the collapse ,advanced round-ups of insurgenents US citizens likely to move against the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/15/2008
- quest44 I'm a Fan of quest44 8 fans permalink

I tried to post post this on two different sights now and each time the page froze up and I couldn't post it .
You are close to the truth Knowhelpnow !
The collapse of the economy in September 2008 and the collapse of the US federal government finances by Februrary2009.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 03/15/2008
- milo9 I'm a Fan of milo9 11 fans permalink
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We've been battling Retro Active Immunity/ Fisa for 9 months or there abouts. Finally the House has shown a bit of spine and has passed a tolerable bill to the Senate where the stronghold of Bush enablers lie. Engagement now could turn the tide. A good source on this fight is found at here.

url: http://mcjoan.dailykos.com/

It's impossible to believe that Karl Rove or his henchmen didn't get a peek at the illegal surveillance data. Political blackmail is the greatest threat that unchecked surveillance poses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 03/15/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

House Enters Rare Closed Session Over Spy Bill.

Are they afraid we'll SPY on them? Shouldn't we get to know what our taxes are buying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 03/14/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 107 fans permalink
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"When closed societies gather information on ordinary people's lives -- when people know that their book-buying and library records are open, their sexual behavior and financial decisions are no longer private, THEIR CONVERSATIONS ARE BUGGED, their class lectures are taped, their protests are photographed by police, their medical records are exposed, and that all the information can be used against them -- THEIR WILL TO CHALLENGE THE REGIME IN POWER FALTERS." -- The End of America, Naomi Wolf

"People need to watch what they say, watch what they do." -- Ari Fleisher, WH Press Secretary, 2001

"We don't trust you anymore. We don't trust you with our phone bills. We don't trust you with our bank records. We don't trust you with our medical histories. From now on, if you want to look at Americans' private records, get a damn search warrant!" -- Joe Scarborough, Scarborough Country, 5/11/06

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 03/14/2008

They are spying on us because they want to know who to lock up when the soon to come next 9/11 and they can put Marshal Law into effect, stop the elections and Bush becomes King. If they know who will be the trouble makers then they can clamp down on them early. Bush will have completed what he started the shedding of our Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 03/14/2008

Let's see. Demo's walk into Repo secret meeting armed with debate points-then walk out
un-armed going into Fi$a debate. Thaaaats riiight! Once anything is discussed in the
secret meeting-IT CAN'T BE USED FOR FI$A DEBATE/VOTE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 03/14/2008

The entire world already knows that this is the worst administration in US history. Nothing they do now can be worse than the damage already inflicted on our country. There is absolutely no reason to conceal their shenanigans anymore. Let it be out in the open and we can keep our eyes open as we are being screwed again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 03/14/2008
- Not Blind I'm a Fan of Not Blind 22 fans permalink
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It's not surprising there'll be a closed secret session about the issue of granting immunity to telecoms who participated in illegally wiretapping phones, scanning emails and web-browsing activities of American citizens.
We all know they did it, and are continuing to do so. It's been made public that these activities began immediately after this administration took office (February, 2001), not in the aftermath of 9/11. We know that Bush lied about this several times: first saying it wasn't happening, then saying it was done only with proper warrants, then saying it began later than when the program was implimented, and now with the passage of the "Protect America" act, became retroactively "legal."
This administration and our Congressional representatives swore allegiance to this nation and to protect and preserve our Constitution. For the most part, they've all failed miserably. They've bent over backwards to protect and defend the practice of torture, illegal surveillance, abolishing Habeas Corpus (due process), failing to enforce Congressional subpoenas upon current and former cabinet members (whose actions are criminal or questionable at least), becoming mute when those in the executive branch engage in dictatorial practices (signing statements, engaging in a treaty with Iraq) avoiding Congressional debate or vote on measures, and now to grant retroactive unconditional immunity for those who knowingly and willfully broke the law and violated the legal and civil rights of citizens.
Pelosi and others in the House may have a chance to redeem themselves by not caving in to this demand of our dictator-in-chief. I for one, feel no safer or more secure knowing my phone conversations, emails, websites visited, financial, medical, and even book purchases or movie rentals are being monitored. This administration wants unrestricted and unfettered ability to circumvent every amendment of our Constitution: to break every law, but they want to do so in secret. Why does not Congress just pull out the Constitution and Bill of Rights out of those vaults and burn them? They've already made those precious documents impotent, mute and extinct by virtue of their submission and policial alliances with this administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 03/14/2008
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

Well said. I believe there's something way more insidious hiding behind this. Bush wants telecom immunity because if the lawsuit goes forward, a whole lot more will come out about this administration and the criminal activities they've been up to. It's less about protecting the companies and more about protecting bush and his cronies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/14/2008
- Birdman I'm a Fan of Birdman 34 fans permalink

The real reason Bush wants immunity for the phone compnaies is because no one can then drag these phone compnaies in to court where they would have to tell who they tapped, when they tapped them and who ordered them to do this. If any of this were to be brough tout in court congress would have no choice but to impeach GW and many others within his misadminsration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 03/14/2008

They have to do it in a closed session because they don't want Americans hearing a bunch of democrats saying that BUSH IS RIGHT AGAIN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 03/14/2008
- spec4F I'm a Fan of spec4F 4 fans permalink

Please name ONE THING your hero,"lips" has been right about???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 03/14/2008
- rkrenke I'm a Fan of rkrenke 20 fans permalink

Actually, Pelosi, et al, seem to be making a real effort to pass this Bill without immunity. Call your congressional representative now to support their efforts.

For those who are interested, Glenn Greenwald at Salon has done a great job following this issue.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html

I also believe that Jane Hamsher (Firedoglake) and McJoan (Daily Kos) have done an excellent job keeping us informed. Please take a minute to read their latest updates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/14/2008
- wm1066 I'm a Fan of wm1066 33 fans permalink
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Thanks for the info.
Its easy to spin out of control when you hear that congress will be going into closed door hearings. They have sold us down the river in the past. And pelosi has become such a Bush running dog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 03/14/2008
- LORISNJ I'm a Fan of LORISNJ 37 fans permalink
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The Republicans wanted one last chance to scare the daylights out of the Democrats so they will get their immunity for the telecoms so that we won't find out what we already know - that the warrantless spying started in Feb 01 and not after 9/11. The Republicans want to stop the lawsuits that may reveal that the spying was not related to terrorist but against political enemies and possibly business enemies.

If you don't trust your own country's citizens then you wiretap them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 03/14/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 69 fans permalink
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Just what are the democrats going to be told that the public can't hear? What kind of PRESSURE is going to be brought to bear on the democrats? This has got to be the worst of the worst when it comes to republicans. They will go down in history (hopefully this year) as the people who gained the most money from their jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 03/14/2008

The Dems don't want the public to hear them admit BUSH IS RIGHT AGAIN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 03/14/2008

That is why the Repugs want this meeting. Wow you are soooo intelligent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 03/14/2008
- nanotubz I'm a Fan of nanotubz 7 fans permalink

The GOP formally requested the session. If you want to rage about things, try to stick to something you actually know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 03/14/2008
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