Al Qaeda In Iraq Far Stronger Than Bush Administration Admitting

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ROBERT BURNS | March 15, 2008 03:41 AM EST | AP

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Iraqi soldier stand guard after a mini bus exploded in central district of Karrada in Baghdad, Iraq, in this April 15, 2007 file photo. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed, File )

WASHINGTON — Al-Qaida is in Iraq to stay. It's not a conclusion the White House talks about much when denouncing the shadowy group, known as al-Qaida in Iraq, that used the U.S. invasion five years ago to develop into a major killer.

The militants are weakened, battered, perhaps even desperate, by most U.S. accounts. But far from being "routed," as Defense Secretary Robert Gates claimed last month, they're still there, still deadly active and likely to remain far into the future, military and other officials told The Associated Press.

Commanders and the other officials commented in a series of interviews and assessments discussing persistent violence in Iraq and intelligence judgments there and in the U.S.

Putting the squeeze on al-Qaida in Iraq was a primary objective of the revised U.S. military strategy that Gen. David Petraeus inherited when he became the top commander in Baghdad 13 months ago. The goal _ largely achieved _ was to minimize the group's ability to inflame sectarian violence, which at the time was so intense that some characterized Iraq as trapped in a civil war.

However, the militants are proving they can survive even the most suffocating U.S. military pressure.

"They are not to be underestimated. That's one thing I've seen over and over," said Col. John Charlton, commander of the Army's 1st Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division. His unit has fought al-Qaida for the past 14 months in a portion of Anbar province that includes the provincial capital of Ramadi.

"I'm always very amazed at their ability to adapt and find new vulnerabilities," Charlton said in a telephone interview this week from his headquarters outside of Ramadi. "They are very good at that," even though they have largely lost the support of local citizens.

The U.S. and Iraqi government intent is to chip away at al-Qaida until it is reduced to "almost a nonentity," Army Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno said March 4 shortly after finishing his tour as the No. 2 U.S. commander in Iraq. "Unfortunately with these terrorist organizations, they will always be there at some level."

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Demonstrating anew their remarkable staying power, the militants are thought to be behind attacks in recent days in Baghdad and beyond, including bombings in the capital March 7 that killed at least 68 people.

Now that U.S. troop reinforcements are beginning to go home, Petraeus and the Bush administration will be watching closely to see if American-trained Iraqi forces can keep up the pressure on al-Qaida.

Al-Qaida in Iraq, which did not exist as a coherent group before U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, probably now numbers no more than 6,000, according to U.S. intelligence estimates. It may have been closer to 10,000-strong before the severe pummeling it took last year, when it lost its main bases of Sunni Arab support. It controls no cities but is still active in pockets through much of central and northern Iraq.

Charlton, whose unit is leaving Iraq shortly and will not be replaced by another U.S. brigade in Anbar, said he is confident of the Iraqis' determination not to allow al-Qaida back into their communities.

But resilience has been a hallmark of al-Qaida in Iraq, which emerged only after its leader, the Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, pledged his allegiance to Osama bin Laden, leader of the global al-Qaida network, in October 2004. It has survived innumerable reverses in recent years, including al-Zarqawi's death in a June 2006 U.S. airstrike

The successor to al-Zarqawi is Abu Ayub al-Masri, an Egyptian who keeps a lower public profile.

The group's other leadership figures also are foreigners from Arab nations including Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Yemen, Syria, Morocco and Libya, according to two defense officials who discussed details of the organization on condition of anonymity. The rank-and-file membership is largely Iraqi.

Hardly a day goes by that the U.S. military command in Baghdad doesn't announce the capture or killing of an al-Qaida figure. On Thursday, for example, the military said troops detained four suspected terrorists northwest of Samarra while targeting an alleged foreign terrorist facilitator and associates of a media cell leader involved in al-Qaida's network in Anbar province.

Brian Fishman, an al-Qaida watcher at the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy, said that although al-Qaida in Iraq lost some of its "strategic focus" after al-Zarqawi's death, it remains a threat.

"It's way too soon to count these guys out," he said.

In a report to Congress this week, the Pentagon said elements of al-Qaida in Iraq are "highly lethal" in parts of the Tigris River valley north of Baghdad and in Ninevah province in northern Iraq. And it said the group, though less effective overall, is capable of striking "across Iraq."

That doesn't seem to fit the description offered by Army Lt. Col. John A. Nagl, a battalion commander in the 1st Infantry Division, who wrote in an opinion article in The Washington Post on March 9 that al-Qaida in Iraq was "largely defeated."

Certainly the group's stated goal of establishing an Islamic fundamentalist state in Iraq has been blocked. And there is no sign that al-Qaida is anywhere near being in position to regain momentum.

Charlton, the Army commander in Ramadi, said propaganda material from local al-Qaida members or supporters has changed markedly in tone in recent months.

"Back in early 2007 and in 2006 you would typically see propaganda that was very boastful, very aggressive and very confident," Charlton said. "It would say things like, `We're coming to get the sheiks, we're going to kill them all,' that type of stuff. Lately, the propaganda is very different. It's appealing on an ideological basis to the population _ as if they realize they've lost the support of the people."

But al-Qaida isn't going away.

Marine Maj. Gen. John Kelly, the top U.S. commander in Anbar province, told reporters at the Pentagon by teleconference this week that al-Qaida in Iraq has the wherewithal, when squeezed, to shift to other places. After being pushed out of Anbar in early 2007, the militants reasserted themselves in Baghdad. After getting hammered in the capital they slipped north, first to Diyala and more recently to the northern province of Ninevah, whose capital, Mosul, is now the scene of heavy fighting.

"Our sense is they'll come back to where they know best," Kelly said, referring to Anbar.

WASHINGTON — Al-Qaida is in Iraq to stay. It's not a conclusion the White House talks about much when denouncing the shadowy group, known as al-Qaida in Iraq, that used the U.S. invasion five ye...
WASHINGTON — Al-Qaida is in Iraq to stay. It's not a conclusion the White House talks about much when denouncing the shadowy group, known as al-Qaida in Iraq, that used the U.S. invasion five ye...
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- research I'm a Fan of research 276 fans permalink

Pure BushCo Propaganda.

I don't believe one word of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 03/16/2008
- AsaNisMasa I'm a Fan of AsaNisMasa 5 fans permalink

AP stands for American Pravda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 03/15/2008

Nice war, good job Brownie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 03/15/2008
- NuAgeDok I'm a Fan of NuAgeDok 5 fans permalink

No A lQaeda in Iraq - hmmm? - maybe we should ask the 12 U.S. soldiers who gave their lives last week in roadside bomb attacks about the presence of AQI - or maybe those IEDs were planted by your garden variety insurgents - not Al Qaeda in Iraq.

Does anyone including John Mc-Inane think that Iraq does not remain one of the prize jewels in the quest for International chaos and to contribute to the ever worsening debacle that is the Iraq war?

Are the borders closed?

Is the Iraq Army or Police force ready to handle the threat from Al Qaeda?

Do we still think that regional tough guys and volunteers from the various sectarian groups can keep Al Qaeda from reemerging in Iraq?

The answer to all of these questions is a resounding NO!

Let's get out now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 03/15/2008
- Indedave I'm a Fan of Indedave 29 fans permalink
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To the AP: Excuse me, but nothing in this story supports the headline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 03/15/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 153 fans permalink

Well, Gates said al-Qaida was "routed." Does 6,000 strong sound "routed" to you? Also, al-Sadr has called off his militia for now and they could resume fighting at any time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 03/16/2008

Nice spin, there were 10,000 now 6,000 how is that an increase? Al Sadr is not Al Quaeda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 03/16/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 282 fans permalink
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YOU EXPECTED TRUTH ABOUT ANYTHING FROM THE BUSH ADMINSTRATION?????

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT BRIANWASHED TO BELIVE ANYTHING THEY HAVE SAID.

WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE EFFECT THE BUSH LEGAL APPOINTEES HAVE ON AMERICANS MUCH LIKE HIS ECOMONIC APPOINTEES HAVE HAD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 03/15/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 153 fans permalink

Bush is a fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 03/16/2008
- Richard729 I'm a Fan of Richard729 51 fans permalink
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First of all, Al Qaeda in Iraq has become a household word. That makes it easy to broadbrush all violence in Iraq as stemming from one group which is now easy to refer to rather than to all the splinter groups and disaffected Iraqi Sunnis who are still behind most of the attacks. It's also easy for the Bush mob to control the U.S. media much better, just as they control the political timing on when they intentionally decide to elevate the terror alerts issued by the Dept. of Homeland Security at home.

Second, much of the decrease in bombings and attacks are a direct result of Bush's successful ethnic cleansing campaign of the Sunnis when he sided with the Islamic Shiites who are 60% of Iraq's population . Nearly 4 million have been forced out of their homes since Bush's bombing, invasion and occupation of Iraq. About, 2.5 million of them having gone to other Iraqi cities, mainly in the Kurdish north, and others to countries like Syria and Jordan.

Third, two powerful Shiite clerics, Muqtada al Sadr and Abdul al-Hakim, whose Mahdi Army and Badr Brigade are keeping their powder dry but once it is clear that Bush's puppet Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has been weakened enough, they will begin military action and the bombings and sectarian violence will resume.

Bush, of course doesn't care about these looming dangers. Today, Iraqis and the American people are being held hostage to Bush's ego. But the craven, corrosive and corrupt Republican thralls in the U.S. Congress are more concerned with blocking and obstructing any progress in Iraq, putting their full support behind Bush's genocidal Iraq War and the $12 billion per month it is costing the U.S. taxpayers.

For Bush and his shrinking Republican minority, it's Party First and always. Loyalty to America and doing the right thing for our country's citizens are non existent. War Forever is what Republicans and Bush have sown but they will reap the whirlwind in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 03/15/2008
- hmmmmmer I'm a Fan of hmmmmmer 29 fans permalink

Why would they admit that they brought them there and now they are there to stay. It gives new meaning to McSame and his "being there for 100 years" statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 03/15/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 276 fans permalink
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So what's the current Democratic position on AQI? Pick one.

1) There is no Al-Q in Iraq and therefore we should "redeploy.­"

2) Al-Q is in Iraq and we'll never defeat them, so therefore we should "redeploy.­"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 03/15/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 153 fans permalink

The Democratic position is that we should fight al-Qaida in Iraq, but not take sides in the civil war there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 03/16/2008
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

AQ in Iraq's "stated goal of establishing an Islamic fundamentalist state in Iraq" is barely plausible. AQ is Sunni. Iraq is mostly non-Sunni. If US Forces withdraw, then AQ in Iraq's reason for being, and excuse for being tolerated by Iraqis (AQI has "largely lost the support of local citizens..­.") will be removed, and they will either be wiped out or go back to Egypt and Saudi Arabia from where they came.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 03/16/2008

Wasn't it nice of the US and Pakistani government to create this group and then turn on them after the false flag self inflicted terrror attacks on 9/11.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 03/15/2008
- Nova16 I'm a Fan of Nova16 34 fans permalink

It's beginning to look a lot like the 100 yrs war that McCain and the republican fascists are hoping for in Iraq is well within their grasp. The "granitized" Democrats if any are left will be helping to fund it. The tribal makeup and religious fundamentalism has existed for 15 centuries and has survived many incursions and invasions and the only one to keep them in check was Saddam Hussein, the sworn enemy of the al Qaida, bin Laden and his foe Iran. Due to the may factions that make up Iraqi society and other Middle Eastern countries, you never know when you make them your friend or foe just exactly what to expect in the short run or even over a period of 100 yrs. The Crusaders found this out--America is about to realize the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/15/2008
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 49 fans permalink

Didn't you hear W say that nobody told him anything when media people asked him his opinion of $4 a gallon gas? W doesn't know about the AlQ situation in Iraq either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 03/15/2008

Who is credited for the following statements regarding Al-Qaida in Iraq?
"Al-Qaida in Iraq, which did not exist as a coherent group before U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, probably now numbers no more than 6,000, according to U.S. intelligence estimates. It may have been closer to 10,000-strong before the severe pummeling it took last year, when it lost its main bases of Sunni Arab support."
Prior to yesterday the maximum number of Al Qaida in Iraq was reported to be 6000 and in January of 2007 just before the "SURGE" the number reported was less than 2000. So what am I to believe? Are there 4000 more bad guys in Iraq now than before the "SURGE"? When did the number of Al Qaida in Iraq reach 10,000? According to the news reports the "SURGE" has resulted in the capture or killing of about 1000 Al Qaida in Iraq. Does that mean there were 7000 Al Qaida in Iraq in March of 2007?
If the "NEW" numbers are accurate we have 165,000 Allied Troops and 400,000 Iraq Security Forces battling 7000 bad guys for a year and have only managed to reduce their numbers by 1000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 03/15/2008
- shockmagog I'm a Fan of shockmagog 139 fans permalink
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But-but-but, the surge...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 03/15/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 153 fans permalink

Bush wants to continue the surge. I guess at some point it is no longer a "surge," but just the number of forces we have stationed there. Anyway, most of our troops should return sooner rather than later. A new president must end our present policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 03/17/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

The Bu$hitter is lying!? Sacre bleu! It can't be...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 03/15/2008
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