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Democratic Primary Hits Its Trench Warfare Stage

Democratic Primary Hits Its Trench Warfare Stage

March 16, 2008 03:34 PM


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The Democratic primary is firmly in its trench warfare stage.

On Sunday, both the Clinton and Obama campaigns hosted conference calls in which each camp's aides played political victim, manufactured outrage, and likely didn't change the electoral landscape one bit.

The Obama folks teed off first, casting Clinton as a secretive pol driven by nothing more than political opportunism.

"You get the sense they are literally willing to do anything to win this nomination," argued David Axelrod, Obama's chief spokesman, "whether it is bending the rules or trying to overturn the will of democratic voters."

An hour later, Clinton aides struck back with attack lines of their own, accusing Obama of going viciously negative out of sheer desperation.

"The path that they've chosen is quite clear," said Howard Wolfson, Clinton's press secretary. "The Obama campaign is going to attack Sen. Clinton, they are going to engage in a full assault, they are going to engage in Republican talking points to pursue it... Rather than choosing to build Sen. Obama up, they have chosen to tear Sen. Clinton down."

The griping comes a week after surrogates of the two campaigns found themselves in political hot water for remarks that were deemed either racially offensive (Geraldine Ferraro) or personally vitriolic (Samantha Power). The two candidates, it was reported, met on the Senate floor late last week and promised each other that they would get their surrogates under better control. But the détente, clearly, did not last long.

On the conference call, Axelrod and Obama's communications director Robert Gibbs went through a litany of issues in which they believed Sen. Clinton had been less than fully transparent. They included: Clinton's tax returns, which since 2000 have not been made public; Clinton's earmark requests; the donors to her husband's presidential library and foundation; and records from the White House years.

"To raise these questions is not, as Howard Wolfson says, Ken Starr politics," said Axelrod. "If there is nothing to be concerned about, if there are no issues of concern, then it is in the interest of the Clinton campaign to be forthcoming. We will leave it to them to explain why they have not been."

Asked about this on the day's other call, Wolfson turned the attack on its head, arguing that it was Obama, not Clinton, who was hiding material from public record.

"If we want to talk about disclosure, let's talk about the information that has not been forthcoming from the land deal for Tony Rezko," said Wolfson. "So this works both ways. If we are going to talk about disclosure, let's talk about it. Let's talk about earmarks from the state Senate, let's have state Senate records, let's talk about his schedule from the state Senate."

And on and on it went.

Other topics came up as well. But like the fight over who is more transparent, the battle lines remained the same. Axelrod, for example, reiterated that it would be "disruptive to the party" if superdelegates were to overturn the pledged delegate tally. Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist, meanwhile, restated that Obama had not passed the commander-in-chief or steward of the economy tests.

Then, however, there was a fleeting hint of possible amity. Asked whether, after badgering Obama's national security credentials for weeks, Wolfson would logically support Sen. McCain for president if Clinton did not make it through the primary, the spokesperson shot back:

"We certainly cannot support in any way someone who wants to be in Iraq for 100 years, and I don't think America could support someone who wants to be in Iraq for 100 years... Nobody should be under any misconception. If Sen. Obama is, for any reason, the nominee, he would receive the support of a united Democratic Party."


 
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Time for a SeaChange for Hillary. www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 03/17/2008

And Mr. Obama is not?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 03/17/2008

This column by Camille Paglia is a must read. It is great:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2008/03/12/red_phone/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 03/17/2008

Hillary wil do anything? You mean like put words in the mouth of Obama's minister?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 03/17/2008

I like that, made me chuckle....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 03/17/2008

Obama cannot win the GE after the Wright debacle. Every Democrat will be forced to defend themselves against Wright in 527 ads saying how can the POTUS have Wright as a spiritual advisor and mentor whne he hates America? Bad judgement on Obama's part and he now cannot be a part of the ticket all. This is going to spiral way out of control in the coming days/weeks. Obama needs to get out now. Gary Hart had his affai, teddy had Chappaquiddick and Obama has Wright. This is a death blow to his candidacy in the GE, becasue it changes the election from a referndum on Bush to a referendum on Writh and the Dems lose big on that front.

This is what happens when a candidate is rushed forward and the the MSM and blogs all jump on the badwagon without actually researching and vetting the candidate. We can only hope that they have not damaged HRC too much with all of their hateful/one-sided blogging.

HRC is the only one who can win in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 03/17/2008

I don't think there are ANY words that anyone can comment on Huffpo that will change anyones mind on who they support now. We are mostly all entrenched, right?
As if someone is going to say one more time, "Ya but Hillary voted for the war!" and a Hillary supporter will think "oh yes, I didn't remember that....I think I will vote for Obama?"
Let's all face it. The arguments are all the essentially the same depending on who we support.
I am also convinced that Republicans have corrupted this site to keep us all fighting. The namecalling and vicious attacks need to stop, or at least be toned down. These vicious personal comments I continue to read are increasingly childish. I can barely sign on to this site anymore.
It was enjoyable for a time but not anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 03/17/2008

I am astounded to see how the Obamanuts so readily tear down the very significant accomplishments of the Clinton Administration , the only Democrat to occupy the white house in a generation, when all the allegations have been debunked when Ken Starr failed after spending $70 million. Yet these nuts expect the Hillary supporters to vote for Obama because he is a Democrat in the general election. The hypocracy is nauseating - vote for Obama because he is a Democrat but we will tear down the Clinton accomplishments even though he is also a Democrat. T

he Obamanuts are dangerous people - they want to tear everything down because they have not been successful at building anything themselves - they are well, whiners and nuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 03/17/2008

I find it quite odd that, given that the bible calls for one to be stoned to death for adultery, Bill Clinton has not been stoned yet.
And I don"t mean "I didn't inhale" stoned.

Paula Jones-sexual harrasment
Gennifer Flowers-affair
Juanita Broderick-raped
Kathleen Willey-sexual assault
Monica Lewinsky-Oval office blow job-cigar in Vagina
Dolly Kyle Browning-affair
Elizabeth Ward Racen-'rough sex" -friends say she was raped?
Sally Perdue-affair-threatened.

It seems odd to me that woman support this guy. As to Hillary, wow, this explains the no dignity thing.
Standing by your man is cool, but what if he's been pissing on you for 35 years? What kind of judgment is that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 03/17/2008

The numbers are not with Hillary.....She should conceed NOW

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 03/17/2008

I totally agree. She is tearing the dems apart and me, for one, do not want another president that lies, cheats and backstabs just to get into office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 03/17/2008

Has Obama gotten 2025 delegates yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 03/17/2008

We want to see Hillary's tax returns, and we want to see them LONG before Pennsylvania. Like now. Today. If she can afford to lend her campaign five million dollars, she can afford to hire an accountant to get things taken care of so we can see what the Clintons have been up to. The more they hedge and delay, the more convinced I am that they're hiding something. If there's nothing to hide, they should do what Obama has done and release their returns. The voters have a right to know who they're voting for.

No more turning the conversation around to Rezko. No more evasion. No more diversion. Just answer the fucking question, Hillary: Why won't you release your tax returns? What are you hiding from the voters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 03/17/2008

The Clinton people are psychotic. First they claim that Obama is unfit to be commander in chief while McCain is, then they say they'll support Obama if he gets the nomination. Why? If he's not fit now, he's not going to be fit later either. Or perhaps they're just willing to say or do anything to win the nomination...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 03/17/2008

Clinton is desperate. They know the only way they can pull this off is to destroy the public perception of Obama. SHE CAN NOT WIN !!! She can't come to terms with the reality and go out with some class. McCain is the only one who benefits!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 03/17/2008

You got it. The Clintons will stop at nothing to win. Politics is a horribly dirty game. We should run them all out of office. I can't find one that I'd say isn't corrupt but we've got them like a noose around our necks stealing our tax dollars for their wasteful ways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 03/17/2008
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Sen Clinton Quotes:
"We need a return to transparency and a system of checks and balances, ¦"
"Well, number one, I want to have a much more transparent government, ¦"
"I believe in an open, transparent government that is accountable to the people,"
KiwisCanFly Says:
Great, I would like to see your tax returns, which since 2000 have not been made public; Clinton's earmark requests; the donors to her husband's presidential library and foundation; and records from the White House years.
Sen. Clinton Quote:
"I actually co-sponsored legislation that would have sitting presidents reveal any donation to their presidential library, and I think that's a good policy¦"
KiwisCanFly:
So can you give me a definitive yes and when; to releasing this information?
Sen. Clinton Quote:
"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the President."
KiwisCanFly:
Is that a definitive NO?
Sen. Clinton Quote:
"The challenge is to practice politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible."
KiwisCanFly:
You"ve lost me Sen¦.ummm back to your releasing of (interrupted)
Sen. Clinton Quote:
"The American people are tired of liars and people who pretend to be something they're not."
KiwisCanFly:
Mame, the American people are expecting you to be as open and transparent as the government you aspire to lead.
Sen. Clinton Quote:
"We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
KiwisCanFly:
Do you refer to the American people"s expectations?
Sen Clinton Quote:
"What we have to do... is to find a way to celebrate our diversity and debate our differences without fracturing our communities."

Note: Just a little fun, all the quotes are supposedly HRC quotes just really out of context with how I have grouped them. So don"t sue me!





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