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First Posted: 03-16-08 11:49 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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The emergence of controversial video-taped sermons by Barack Obama's longtime Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright, has produced an explosion of commentary in the conservative blogosphere, posing a strategic dilemma to liberals and Democrats.

In the 24 hours after Friday's wall-to-wall airing of the Wright sermons on cable news networks, more that 2,700 posts were filed, most on right-leaning web sites, many of them questioning Obama's credibility as a presidential candidate and the legitimacy of his attempts to separate himself from Wright's past remarks.

"Obama is meant to be the man who transcends the divisions of race, the candidate who doesn't damn America but 'heals' it," wrote Mark Steyn on National Review Online. "Yet since his early twenties he's sat week after week listening to the ravings of just another cookie-cutter race huckster."

Wright, who has been Obama's minister for nearly two decades, has seen his most controversial comments posted all over the web:

"The government gives them [African Americans] the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strikes law and then wants us to sing 'God bless America,' No, no, no, not 'God bless America,' God damn America. That's in the Bible, you're killing innocent people. God damn America for treating us citizens as less than human."

And, after 9/11:

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye...America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Obama on Friday sought to defuse the situation, first posting a statement titled "On My Faith and My Church" on this website, and then appearing for interviews on three cable networks.

"I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy," Obama declared in his Huffington Post statement. "I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."

The range of reactions on the center-left could be seen in the first two comments on a two-paragraph story about the controversy posted on Talking Points Memo.

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"And hopefully this [Obama's statement] will be the end of this sad story. There's a reason why the founding fathers put in the separation of church and state," wrote 'aumshantih'.

"Don't count on this to be the end of the story," Charles Primm immediately replied. "Obama's blunder was to not distance himself from this loose cannon a long time ago. I'm a supporter but am terribly afraid this latest eruption might make his chances even slimmer of ultimately defeating Billary and the Clinton machine."

Similarly disparate evaluations of the situation emerged in the responses of activists, opinion leaders, and academics sought out by the Huffington Post.

Ismail K. White, research scholar at Princeton's Center for the Study of Democratic Politics, said "the focus on Rev. Wright's comments is an attempt to erode Obama's all-inclusive appeal and define him as a race-based politician, making him look less like a Colin Powell and more like a Jesse Jackson. Obama's association with Wright could make whites think twice about voting for him, raising questions in their minds about what it is a black president might do when in office... Will Obama's inclusive appeal go the way of Jesse Jackson's rainbow coalition?"

Andy Stern, president of the Service Workers International Union and an Obama supporters, was more optimistic:

"I think the quick and clear denunciation and Senator Obama's clearly held views will stop this from being an issue for people who are interested in an election about restoring the America Dream and turning the page on old politics."

Democratic pollster Celinda Lake said she doubted the issue of Wright's comments would significantly impact the primary contest with Hillary Clinton. Lake was not, however, as sanguine when discussing the general election:

"The problem of all of this is the general. Clinton's associations aren't news. But Obama is still not that well defined to general election voters. It is important that he be able to define himself and not have these controversies become the introduction."

Along similar lines, The New Republic's Noam Scheiber, writing on the TNR blog The Stump, argued:

"The big problem is that the Wright videos will be Obama's introduction to voters who still don't know much about him, which unfortunately includes a lot of people."

Scheiber, in a view shared by a number of pro-Democratic writers, contended that Obama needs to give some sort of high-profile speech about his faith. "The alternative is letting the suspicions created by Wright harden, so that voters just ignore any new information about Obama, even if it strongly contradicts what they think they know."

Former Democratic presidential candidate and Colorado Senator Gary Hart, noting that campaign aides, advisers and surrogates are playing a larger role in this election than ever before, said "the legitimate side of this is the desire to know the influences on the candidate. The unhealthy side is the imputation of guilt, blame, or evil to the candidate based upon some flaw in the increasingly wide circle of 'advisors'." Wright's conduct, Hart said, "is relevant only if Senator Obama had listened to this tripe and not objected or walked out. Otherwise, he cannot be held accountable for the excesses of a man, even a minister, who holds extreme and unacceptable views. Otherwise, what about his banker, or barber, or doctor, or shoe salesman?"

In private, a number of Obama supporters expressed fear that evidence would emerge that Obama was at times present when Wright made controversial statements.

Mark Kleiman, an outspoken Obama backer, blogger, and professor of Public Policy at UCLA, expressed no such fears:

"I think Obama has made it clear that Wright is his past, not his future. The 'black power' stuff is precisely what Obama has chosen to reject. Wright has now been bounced from the campaign's clergy group. So I don't think there's a legitimate political issue left there."

Kleiman argued that "unlike Dukakis, Mondale, Gore, and Kerry, Obama has the wit to avoid being boxed in to a false narrative created by his opponents and their journalistic dupes and accomplices," then adding, "Time will tell."

Columbia historian and political scientist Ira Katznelson, who has written extensively on the politics of race, said the Wright controversy goes to the "intersection of patriotism with race" and potentially threatens "Obama's ability to secure the limited but non-trivial base he has with the predominantly male and white working class constituency, and his capacity to persuade them to identify with his broad appeal."

Katznelson said Obama's handling of the Wright issue "may well be the campaign's key point of inflection. If Obama can do more than contain the issue, but also find a more broadly effective voice that appeals to this part of the electorate, he can emerge as a stronger candidate both in the remaining primaries and then the general election. But if he cannot, then his nomination may become less likely, and, if nominated, the framing for the November election will start in a way that will not be advantageous."

The emergence of controversial video-taped sermons by Barack Obama's longtime Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright, has produced an explosion of commentary in the conservative blogosphere, posing a strateg...
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Okay. We want to judge a person by what his supporters have said or done. As an Obama supporter - I knew this was not going to be a cake walk. So I say to all of you - there will be people who will cross our trail who we will like - but they will cause a negative wave in our life - but we still move forward. If you believe Obama will make a great president - then let us move forward. For this fight for the White House has just begun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 03/17/2008
- sjl106 I'm a Fan of sjl106 7 fans permalink

Obama is toast and if nominated will bring the Democratic party down with him. He chose to stay in this racist church and by his behavior throughout this campaign and the comments of his wife the church has had major influence in his life and it is not lost on those that are listening.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/17/3623/12487

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There are positive ways of addressing the issues his church has and they haven't gone in that direction they are seperatists and racists, obama isn't a transcender of race he is an agitator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 03/17/2008

Final story..
Tall skinny half white guy from Chicago withstands Great white media storm... and survives...
Barack is being the FULL OJ....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 03/17/2008
- Ndri789 I'm a Fan of Ndri789 2 fans permalink

When will Obama fanatics REALIZE and ADMIT that Obama's candidacy and campaign is a FRAUD and a wisp of hot air put together in a smoke filled back room by a group of daredevils and Clinton haters?
Would all this ONLY be admitted when the irreparable is DONE, and the country is going through the throes of ANOTHER 4 or 8 years of traumatizing DISASTER politics? How much more can America take before it crumbles entirely?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 03/17/2008

Since my demographic matches the one that both Hilary and Barack need - namely a white male Dem voter - I can say with clarity that anyone that throws their friends overboard so quickly like Obama and Clinton just did --- will not get my vote.

I guess that leaves me with either voting for McCain or joining the MAJORITY of American that simply do not vote.

What a bumper crop of bumblers, losers and whiners.

No wonder we are the laughing stock of the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 03/17/2008

Please, do not vote. We really don't need you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 03/17/2008

So you agree that loyalty is not relevant?

?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 03/17/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

Oh yes we do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/17/2008
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LOL @ you. I am loving you Rethugs with your slanted, twisted logic! Do you really think for one minute that Obama and Clinton threw their longterm friends under the bus? Don't be so thick in the head.

Stick with you loser Rethugs, whiny amnesiactic Bush supporters. McBush is going to need your vote now more than ever when he loses in the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 03/17/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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We are the laughing stock of the world because we don't elect the best person to lead the country we elect the person who has the best image. The world will accept us with open arms if we are lucky enough to have Obama as president. The would will definitely laugh at us if we elect the warmonger McCrazy or elect another Clinton in some kind of tribal dynasty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 03/17/2008
- BigLib I'm a Fan of BigLib 18 fans permalink

What do the Democrats do when Obama loses Pennsylvania, not by 10 or 15 points but by 20 or 25 points? That seems to be the way things are headed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 03/17/2008
- mediamarv I'm a Fan of mediamarv 38 fans permalink
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The answer to the question is:NO, it won't!
Voters are smarter than the media shills, always have been.
This will have no more relevance than McCain's trysts with that Lobbyist , who seems to have disapperaed lately. What's up with that and howcum no one is talking about her???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 03/17/2008

And this will make a big difference why? He already has a statistical lead in delegates that will be impossible for Hillary Rove Clinton to oovercome, without cheating.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 03/17/2008
- wesinohio I'm a Fan of wesinohio 43 fans permalink
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The fact is, the minister was right. The fact is, Obama can and does form his own opinions. The fact is, Obama isn't angry like his minister was on those days, but is calm and is seeking ways to make our country better. If you like what Bush and Cheney have done to our country, then you might wish that God would bless what they have made of it. Quite to the contrary, most people would not wish that the God of their understanding would bless what our country has become, but rather wish for God to end the sickness of our country and seek God's blessings for those who seek to improve it - and yes we can improve it. That is why Obama will win the presidency in 2008.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 03/17/2008
- jrb35 I'm a Fan of jrb35 14 fans permalink

It doesn't matter. He will still have a big lead in delegates and states won and will probably easily maintain his lead in the popular vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 03/17/2008
- JoshMiami I'm a Fan of JoshMiami 3 fans permalink

the Huffpost one of my Favorite sites has recently beocme the OBAMA campaign central allways with a slanted twist favoring obama rather than the hard core critisism that good journalism is marked by
this is an official complaint

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 03/17/2008

and I have to say, I keep noticing that if I post anything pro Hillary, my posts seem to stay in the "pending" file on certain threads, while some of the most negative rants against Hillary are posted pronto!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 03/17/2008
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It's the automatic word filter on the comment system. It has nothing to do with bias. As usual, another Clinton supporter being paranoid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 03/19/2008
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Damn you rich! You already have your compensation.

Damn you who are well-fed! You will know hunger.

Damn you who laugh now! You will weep and grieve.

Damn you when everybody speaks well of you!

Jesus of Nazareth
Luke 6:24-26

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 03/17/2008

Jesus never said damn you to anyone. He did say clothe and feed the poor. He also said, it's easier for a camel to go through an eye of an needle than get to heaven. But, he didn't say what you wrote and he didn't say it was impossible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 03/17/2008

Huff Post Learns from NY Times, bury stories that don't fit your agenda on Page 8 section C.
Keep the Cool-Aid flowing, Barack, Barack, Barack, . . . .oh Barack, like totally, Hope Change, I don't know what that means but I want some. . . . . . . HELLO! time to wake up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 03/17/2008
- Zhonni I'm a Fan of Zhonni 15 fans permalink
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Kristol was wrong dumbass. Just because Kristol says it doesn't mean it is so.

Do you really think Obama is a racist, is that what you are trying to say?

The economy is hanging by a tread and all you can scream is that Obama's pastor made a comment that a lot of pastors already made.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 03/17/2008
- westview I'm a Fan of westview 4 fans permalink

Obama's preacher has every right to criticize the USA. That is freedom of speech. However, he did a lot more than that. He proudly taped racist diatribes, he cursed the name of the lord from the pulpit in front of parishiners including children and young people and Obama was there for it. Obama knew all of this stuff and he was as close to that minister personally as he could be for 20 years. He frequently referred to him in terms of endearment like uncle. He kept that close relationship for twenty years and made no comment about it when he started running. He seems to have tried to quietly distance himself behind the curtians hoping no one would notice it. Obama should step down now. If approval of that relationship is really how his local constituents feel about Obama and his minister, they will keep him that seat for senate but this man is not right for the Presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 03/17/2008

Clinton's negative CLinton tactics and tone are kicking me out the door and fast.

I don't want to be in a party in which half of the membership want the CLintons back in power. The democrats have no idea what they are doing in the long term by allowing this. Plenty of big-wigs could have stepped in to stop it. I hold my deepest alienation for Edwards who could have ended this by having his supporters move to Obama. Shame on you. Just another big-wig dem out for themselves.

Good luck dems and adios.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 03/17/2008
- BardEric I'm a Fan of BardEric 10 fans permalink

And this particular article relates to the Clintons exactly how?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 03/17/2008
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This is what the Trinity Church’s website has posted as its rules.
1. A congregation committed to ADORATION. A congregation preaching SALVATION.
2. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
3. A congregation with a NON-NEGOTIABLE COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
4. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
5. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
6. A congregation committed to LIBERATION. A congregation committed to RESTORATION. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 03/17/2008

As Catholic, I try to treat others as would like to be treated, I confess I don’t care for ministers of any stripe screaming fire and brimstone from the Pulpit. Although some of the sound bites of Rev.Wright are hard to take, he is much more based in reality than the some nuts on the right that preach denial of global warming, hated of gays or even Catholics like myself. America was not founded as Christian nation for the purpose of wiping Islam off the face of the earth, which would be a genocide that would eclipse the Holocaust, if it were even possible to murder more than a billion Muslims. Are Wright’s comments any more radical than advocating a nuclear strike on Iran for no other reason than to fulfill some lunatic concept of the Rapture?

The facts are the United States is only country that used atomic weapons on 2 Japanese cities. In one night B-29 bombers laid waste to Tokyo, killing 80,000 people. Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki may have been necessary to force the surrender of Japan, although I find it repulsive after fire bombing 67 Japanese cities in 6 months that that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were left in tack to measure the effects of these new weapons, not only their initial destruction and death toll, but to look at the affects of radiation on the propulation which is still affecting them, and their off spring to this day. Army Air Force General Curtis Lemay, architect of the raids over Germany and Japan said and I quote, "if we had lost the war. I would be on trial for war crimes".

Tony Perkins of the Right leaning Family Research Council on CNN, all holier than thou and questioning Obama’s relationship to Rev.Wright implying that he some kind angry black radical. Mr. Perkins is never asked about his relationships with White Supremacy groups during a failed congressional run in Louisiana.

George Bush along with the leadership of the radical Religious right has perverted religion as force for good in both private and political life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 03/17/2008
- nevadagirl I'm a Fan of nevadagirl 5 fans permalink

My minister is extremely liberal and does manage to offend some conservatives on Sunday mornings, but he has never said anything in anger or smacking of hatred. He saves his most controversial comments for peace demonstrations. There is a difference between what is said from the pulpit and what is said in the larger community. The problem I have with Obama staying there for twenty years is exposing his children to a fairly thorough brainwashing in hatred. Same for anyone who listens to Rush wih kids present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 03/17/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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PEOPLE DO NOT BELIEVE THE LIES OF NEWSMAX OBAMA WAS IN MIAMI FL THE DAY THE RIGHT WING REPORTER SAID HE WAS IN CHURCH. OBAMA WAS ACTUALLY VIDEOTAPED GIVING HIS SPEECH

FOLLOWING IS THE PROOF

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewsMax_Media

"On August 9, 2007, Newsmax freelance reporter, Jim Davis, reported that Barack Obama was in attendance on July 22, 2007 during a controversial sermon giving by Jeremiah A, Wright, Jr. at Trinity United Church of Christ in South Chicago, Obama's place of worship.[11] The claim that Obama was in attendance for this particular sermon was repeated by Newsmax as fact again on March 16, 2008. [12] A July 22, 2007 speaking schedule for the National Council for La Raza in Miami, Florida shows Obama as a scheduled speaker for 1:30pm. [13] Video confirms he attended the conference and spoke during his allotted time. One contemporaneous independent source reports Obama did not speak until 1:50PM. [14]"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 03/17/2008
- polaris12 I'm a Fan of polaris12 17 fans permalink

The Rev. Wright does not need to call upon God to damn America. With the economy imploding, the budget deficit out control, gas prices in the stratosphere, a collapsing infrastructure, a multi-trillion dollar war without end, the ginning up of a new war with Iran; Bush/Cheney and their neocon allies seem to being doing a pretty good job of damning the country without any help at all from God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 03/17/2008
- Trace8089 I'm a Fan of Trace8089 2 fans permalink

You can bet right wing butt boys are going through the audio and video tapes of the good reverend. They will document every instance where Obama was sitting there listening to hate america and blame whitey. Then you will see and hear Hannity, Limbo and the other douche bags beat Obama day in and day out. Then all the anti-Israel crap will come out. Then someone will ask Obama "if he doesn't believe all the BS the good reverend has been spouting "Why Saint Obama haven't you found a new curch one closer to your beliefs? Why do you continue to donate to a church that you disagree with? The Republicans will give Obama every black vote. They don't care the repub's don't need them to get elected. They want to keep Obama's white vote in the 20's to mid 30's guaranteeing them a victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 03/17/2008
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