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The emergence of controversial video-taped sermons by Barack Obama's longtime Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright, has produced an explosion of commentary in the conservative blogosphere, posing a strategic dilemma to liberals and Democrats.

In the 24 hours after Friday's wall-to-wall airing of the Wright sermons on cable news networks, more that 2,700 posts were filed, most on right-leaning web sites, many of them questioning Obama's credibility as a presidential candidate and the legitimacy of his attempts to separate himself from Wright's past remarks.

"Obama is meant to be the man who transcends the divisions of race, the candidate who doesn't damn America but 'heals' it," wrote Mark Steyn on National Review Online. "Yet since his early twenties he's sat week after week listening to the ravings of just another cookie-cutter race huckster."

Wright, who has been Obama's minister for nearly two decades, has seen his most controversial comments posted all over the web:

"The government gives them [African Americans] the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strikes law and then wants us to sing 'God bless America,' No, no, no, not 'God bless America,' God damn America. That's in the Bible, you're killing innocent people. God damn America for treating us citizens as less than human."

And, after 9/11:

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye...America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Obama on Friday sought to defuse the situation, first posting a statement titled "On My Faith and My Church" on this website, and then appearing for interviews on three cable networks.

"I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy," Obama declared in his Huffington Post statement. "I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."

The range of reactions on the center-left could be seen in the first two comments on a two-paragraph story about the controversy posted on Talking Points Memo.

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"And hopefully this [Obama's statement] will be the end of this sad story. There's a reason why the founding fathers put in the separation of church and state," wrote 'aumshantih'.

"Don't count on this to be the end of the story," Charles Primm immediately replied. "Obama's blunder was to not distance himself from this loose cannon a long time ago. I'm a supporter but am terribly afraid this latest eruption might make his chances even slimmer of ultimately defeating Billary and the Clinton machine."

Similarly disparate evaluations of the situation emerged in the responses of activists, opinion leaders, and academics sought out by the Huffington Post.

Ismail K. White, research scholar at Princeton's Center for the Study of Democratic Politics, said "the focus on Rev. Wright's comments is an attempt to erode Obama's all-inclusive appeal and define him as a race-based politician, making him look less like a Colin Powell and more like a Jesse Jackson. Obama's association with Wright could make whites think twice about voting for him, raising questions in their minds about what it is a black president might do when in office... Will Obama's inclusive appeal go the way of Jesse Jackson's rainbow coalition?"

Andy Stern, president of the Service Workers International Union and an Obama supporters, was more optimistic:

"I think the quick and clear denunciation and Senator Obama's clearly held views will stop this from being an issue for people who are interested in an election about restoring the America Dream and turning the page on old politics."

Democratic pollster Celinda Lake said she doubted the issue of Wright's comments would significantly impact the primary contest with Hillary Clinton. Lake was not, however, as sanguine when discussing the general election:

"The problem of all of this is the general. Clinton's associations aren't news. But Obama is still not that well defined to general election voters. It is important that he be able to define himself and not have these controversies become the introduction."

Along similar lines, The New Republic's Noam Scheiber, writing on the TNR blog The Stump, argued:

"The big problem is that the Wright videos will be Obama's introduction to voters who still don't know much about him, which unfortunately includes a lot of people."

Scheiber, in a view shared by a number of pro-Democratic writers, contended that Obama needs to give some sort of high-profile speech about his faith. "The alternative is letting the suspicions created by Wright harden, so that voters just ignore any new information about Obama, even if it strongly contradicts what they think they know."

Former Democratic presidential candidate and Colorado Senator Gary Hart, noting that campaign aides, advisers and surrogates are playing a larger role in this election than ever before, said "the legitimate side of this is the desire to know the influences on the candidate. The unhealthy side is the imputation of guilt, blame, or evil to the candidate based upon some flaw in the increasingly wide circle of 'advisors'." Wright's conduct, Hart said, "is relevant only if Senator Obama had listened to this tripe and not objected or walked out. Otherwise, he cannot be held accountable for the excesses of a man, even a minister, who holds extreme and unacceptable views. Otherwise, what about his banker, or barber, or doctor, or shoe salesman?"

In private, a number of Obama supporters expressed fear that evidence would emerge that Obama was at times present when Wright made controversial statements.

Mark Kleiman, an outspoken Obama backer, blogger, and professor of Public Policy at UCLA, expressed no such fears:

"I think Obama has made it clear that Wright is his past, not his future. The 'black power' stuff is precisely what Obama has chosen to reject. Wright has now been bounced from the campaign's clergy group. So I don't think there's a legitimate political issue left there."

Kleiman argued that "unlike Dukakis, Mondale, Gore, and Kerry, Obama has the wit to avoid being boxed in to a false narrative created by his opponents and their journalistic dupes and accomplices," then adding, "Time will tell."

Columbia historian and political scientist Ira Katznelson, who has written extensively on the politics of race, said the Wright controversy goes to the "intersection of patriotism with race" and potentially threatens "Obama's ability to secure the limited but non-trivial base he has with the predominantly male and white working class constituency, and his capacity to persuade them to identify with his broad appeal."

Katznelson said Obama's handling of the Wright issue "may well be the campaign's key point of inflection. If Obama can do more than contain the issue, but also find a more broadly effective voice that appeals to this part of the electorate, he can emerge as a stronger candidate both in the remaining primaries and then the general election. But if he cannot, then his nomination may become less likely, and, if nominated, the framing for the November election will start in a way that will not be advantageous."

The emergence of controversial video-taped sermons by Barack Obama's longtime Chicago pastor, Jeremiah Wright, has produced an explosion of commentary in the conservative blogosphere, posing a strateg...
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- wesinohio I'm a Fan of wesinohio 36 fans permalink
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I am not at all offended by the minister's comments, however provocative. Ministers often set out to be provocative and it's a good thing they do and are.
If the US supports torture, does God then bless torture? Does God ever bless torturers? Does God bless people who lie about torture? Is torture torture even if our government refuses to call it torture, and even while the government has called the same thing torture yet in other contexts? And is torture not torture even if the act in question is defined as torture under international law, and even if the US itself prosecuted Japanese war criminals for doing the same thing? Is that act of torture not torture just because the president and his advisors hold up flimsy word-shields to protect themselves from domestic and international prosecution? They are not protected by domestic or international law against being prosecuted for torture, which is why they try to change definitions of war crimes to somehow make them okay. They are responsible. Does God bless those people, our leaders, for their war crimes? Or might God have a different opinion?
If the US aggravates social and income inequality, damages the earth, kills hundreds of thousands of Japanese with what was called the atom bomb, kills many thousands of innocent Iraqi's because of the lies and manipulations of the US leadership, causes the deaths of many thousands of young American men and women due to those same lies and manipulations, and stealthily reduces environmental protections, and disregards the rule of law, and takes from the poor and gives to the rich, and exalts the rich and denigrates the poor, and leaves much of the general health, education and welfare to imperfect market forces, then I say there was nothing at all wrong with the minister's concerns and statements. Do we think God, or the higher power of our understanding, or nature, blesses these perversions of reality and counter products of confused human thinking with complementary products and enrichments? I think not. Many islands of enrichment, those built in opposition to nature, will be destroyed by natural processes, and Man is a part of that nature, and the wealthy islands will be washed away by the ocean of poverty that surrounds them. Truer, and durable wealth is wealth that shared and multiplied through inclusion and cooperation and brotherhood.
The minister's sermon was a bit of a tirade, granted, but this is how he expressed his great frustration and dislike of much of the status quo in the US. He is free to say what he said, of course. Obama is free to accept or reject it, or to pay attention in church or not, and to use it as raw material to build his own opinions, since he is a free thinker, and Obama is free to attend this church, his family's church.
Ministers are often provocative and many, many people agree with this minister's statements, I'm sure, yet want to improve our country and to be proud of our country - again or maybe for the first time in their lives. Obama's opinions come from all his thoughtfulness involving all his lifetime experiences. We should expect that those who are against Obama's message of hope and fraternity would be against him in any and every way possible, and they are. We should recognize that those who love bitterness and anger in society are usually bitter and angry themselves.
Yet we all become angry sometimes, and angry words from that minister's mouth do not negate the truth of his message, or the goodness of his other works. All of us are a bit of a mixture of good and bad anyway. Obama's calm message is one of reconciliation and hope. The noise about this is the last gaspings of the false patriots yelling and screaming and hating any and all who question the righteousness of the USA. The USA is not so pure and holy! Let's quit with the yelling and screaming already! Yet even if that noise continues on the blogs and in the other information media, those who listen to it are merely a shrinking minority, deaf to the the messages of reconciliation and the prosperity of spirit that Obama offers.
Obama offers middle ground that attracts people from the left and the right without repeating the screams of either side; he offers healing and reconciliation. He offers a way to improve our country, not to endorse its mistakes. He has the best temperment to be president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 03/17/2008
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I couldn't read the whole article it was torture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 03/17/2008

Why don't you respond to the poster's point? Do you really think God blesses America and everything it does? Do you think God would be more likely condemn or support torture? Would you rather just make another joke and go on as if the point wasn't made?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 03/17/2008
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Your article is torture!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 03/17/2008
- wesinohio I'm a Fan of wesinohio 36 fans permalink
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Does that mean you like it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 03/17/2008
- fullkelly I'm a Fan of fullkelly 4 fans permalink

Every soldier marches to the drum beat. Certainly Mr Wright beat the drums for Obam's soldiers.
92% of his soldiers in Mississippi heard the beat of the drums and they marched for Obama. In S Carolina it was 82-87 percent, Mr Wright was the "AGITATER. The Mister Wrights preached the sermons of hate and racism to rile the black voters , to "AGITATE" the people who at one time adored Hillary Clinton, to come out in large numbers to oppose her. For those who are not aware of Obama's role as the community organizer of South Chicago, Obama was the "AGITATER". The agitater who could rile the community and get things done. Obama's character is now being displayed in the wide open window of politics and there are the many--not the few-- who do not like what they are seeing and hearing of him. Now all Hillary Clinton has to do is stick to the issues and let the cards (including the race card) fall where they may. Obama has been caught dealing from the bottom of the deck and now he is being seen for the political hustler that he is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 03/17/2008

He is being seen as the "political hustler" that he is only by bigoted people like you. If you had not found this issue to determine Obama to be ineligible, you would have found something else.

If Obama is to be judged by the company he keeps, then so should Hillary Rove Clinton. Wonder why she hasn't released her tax returns. Want to bet it is because there is someone in her financial background that she doesn't want the electorate to know about?

Let's get real here and judge our candidates by their stands on issues and how we think they will be able to perform as President of the United States.

Personally I would rather have a President who is honest, straightforward and talks about hope and healing the wounds of this country. I don't want a President who shakes her finger in my face and tells me to go sit in the corner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 03/17/2008

As a former Obama supporter, I hate to say it, but Obama is done. Maybe he will be ready in 4-8 years, but he needs to take some time, prove himself in a major policy position in the Senate, then he will get our votes in the next election. My entire Obama club has disbanded after this scandal, we are simply not voting this election cycle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 03/17/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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That's the dumbest thing I ever read. You are a fraud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 03/17/2008
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ummm you must mean Obama is a fraud!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 03/17/2008

I agree. Isn't it amazing how many people are purporting to be a "former Obama supporter" and now they are turning on him because of something his pastor did. This guy is just another plant pretending that he was once an Obama supporter. From what he writes, it's obvious that was never the case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 03/17/2008
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Oprah for President! In today’s news , for all you Obamanites, it was reported that Obama has not only attended the Rev. Wright sermons but stayed to listen to some of his complete hate filled speeches. It was further reported that Oprah use to attend the Trinity Church, but quit due to the tone of Rev. Wright racist tirades and anti- American views that he preached from the pulpit, she found them disturbing. Oprah had the good judgment to distant herself from the controversial church years ago, showing she had the insight and intellect to realize that some of her regular viewers would be turned off by the Rev. remarks. Hence she could and should be the Presidential nomination for knowing in advance that the Rev. was poison to anyone seeking public approval. Oprah knew to kick him to the curb and keep him there. Obama did not show any leadership ability or good judgment when he continue to attend the Rev. Wright church Not only did Obama stay for the sermons but he also allow and promoted the Rev. message of hate to his young children. Obama failure to drop out of the elections is just another example of bad judgment and a promotion of the republican party. Latest polls show that he cannot win against Senator McCain, he has turned off white voters and drove them across the aisle, so much for the uniter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 03/17/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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THIS WAS A LIE REPORTED BY THE RIGHT WING WEBSITE NEWSMAX OBAMA WAS IN MIAMI FL AT THE TIME AND WAS VIDEO TAPED GIVING HIS SPEECH THE REPORTER LIED

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NewsMax_Media

"On August 9, 2007, Newsmax freelance reporter, Jim Davis, reported that Barack Obama was in attendance on July 22, 2007 during a controversial sermon giving by Jeremiah A, Wright, Jr. at Trinity United Church of Christ in South Chicago, Obama's place of worship.[1­1] The claim that Obama was in attendance for this particular sermon was repeated by Newsmax as fact again on March 16, 2008. [12] A July 22, 2007 speaking schedule for the National Council for La Raza in Miami, Florida shows Obama as a scheduled speaker for 1:30pm. [13] Video confirms he attended the conference and spoke during his allotted time. One contemporaneous independent source reports Obama did not speak until 1:50PM. [14]"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 03/17/2008
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Oops I didn’t mean to make you cry, but if you look closely there is an article that clearly states Obama was in fact in Illinois when the Rev. Wright spoke those words. I will give you the website its huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/17/obama-was-in-chicago-the-_n_91876.htmll

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 03/17/2008
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Oops I didn’t mean to make you cry KQuark, but if you look closely there is an article that clearly states Obama was in fact in Chicago when the Rev. Wright spoke those words. I will give you the website its huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/17/obama-was-in-chicago-the-_n_91876.htmll. Psssss they have planes now they go really really fast and guess what, you can be in Chicago in the morning and yep that’s right Florida in the afternoon. Now Now Now don’t feel too stupid there are a lot of people who have their heads up Obama’s ass and didn’t know about the plane thing either!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 03/17/2008
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Oops I didn’t mean to make you cry KQuark, but if you look closely there is an article that clearly states Obama was in fact in Chicago when the Rev. Wright spoke those words. I will give you the website its huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/17/obama-was-in-chicago-the-_n_91876.htmll. Psssss they have planes now they go really really fast and guess what, you can be in Chicago in the morning and yep that’s right Florida in the afternoon. Now Now Now don’t feel too stupid there are a lot of people who have their heads up Obama’s ass and didn’t know about the plane thing too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 03/17/2008

You have been sitting down listening to the Bush administration's lies and deceptions for 8 years. Many people go to church even when they don't agree with the pastor's views. 700 Club pastor said that US must kill Hugo Chavez. You need to get used to listen not only what you want to hear. Rev. Wright have said truths that many people think but they don't have the courage to get it out. The only way you can defeat Obama is by doing what you are doing now. No matter what happens with his nomination he will still being the wonderful person he is; he is smart, charismatic and well mannered as few. That is cause for envy, particularly when the individual with these qualities is not full white. Nobody will take away his integrity from him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 03/17/2008

People, please. If you love America so much than perhaps you should respect the freedom of speech. While I don't agree with everything Rev. Wright said, most if it is based in fact. And, even if I didn't believe that, he certainly has the right to say it. God forbid, I should be accountable for everthing my minister says. Obama has stated over and over again it does not agree with everything his pastor says. Is agreeing with every word someone says a prerequisite for friendship? If so, it would be a friendless world.

I voted for Obama already and I will vote for him in November. My opininon of him hasn't changed a bit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 03/17/2008
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ARundle, I agree with you about respecting the freedom of speech, and also that we are not responsible for everything (or anything, for that matter) that our religious leaders say. HOWEVER, this man (Rev. Wright) consistently says very hate-filled, divisive things and this has been over a period of DECADES. Obama has chosen to go to that church, to have this man perform his wedding and baptize his children, to appoint him to his campaign, and to quote him often as a spiritual mentor and leader. I understand loving a church home and feeling a sense of belonging there, and not wanting to leave simply because the pastor says some things you disagree with. But this ain't that. This is that Obama chose that church BECAUSE of the pastor, apparently, and really was close to the man, and really looked at him as a major influence, crediting him with bringing him to his set of religious beliefs. This is not just a pastor who says a few things you disagree with. This is a pastor you think very HIGHLY of and chose to have a close association with in every way possible and, even after you knew about the hate-filled remarks, you apoint him as a religious advisor to your campaign for PRESIDENT of the United States?

I'm sorry, where is this great judgement that Obama credits himself with having? Where is the new politics that moves beyond divisiveness and labels, which this pastor seems to be the quintessence of keeping alive? Obama is all slogans and no substance, or the substance that is there is NOT in accord with the slogans.

I respect Rev. Wright's right to free speech, just as you do. I would fight for it. It is what this country is all about. But that doesn't mean that I don't find his speech offensive or have every right to question a presidential candidate who, far from finding the Reverend's words offensive, divisive, and hate-filled, seems to take great inspiration and guidance from them. As Obama himself says, "words matter". So, yes, I would defend Rev. Wright's right to free speech, that is not what is at issue here. What is at issue is that Obama is running to be my president and the words and people who he finds inspirational, I find hateful and divisive. Everything that Obama claims to be against and wanting to move our country beyond. THAT is what I have a HUGE problem with, and I find it very legitimate. It has nothing to do with respecting freedom of speech. Rev. Wright can say whatever he wants, and I defend his right to do so. But I don't have to vote for a man who finds such a hateful, ignorant person inspirational, that's for sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 03/17/2008
- Poised I'm a Fan of Poised 2 fans permalink

Yes, I agree that Rev Wright has every right to say anything he wishes to say. I'm glad I had the opportunity to hear him damn America and spew hatred.

Really, I had no idea how much black people hate whites.

Previously, I considered Obama a viable candidate, though I preferred Hillary. Now, Hillary is the ONLY Democratic candidate that I would consider voting for. I believe that millions of other voters would join me in holding their noses and pulling the lever for McCain if Obama gets the nomination.

Pity, as Obama has a lot to offer. But not as president, and perhaps not as a politician. There are other venues for "Ordinary people can do extraordinary things." Motivational speakers have been using the line for over a decade and continue to find audiences who will pay to hear platitudes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 03/17/2008

Here is Obamas churchs' web site:

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

It's goofey but it's not much more goofey than most other religion or church websites.

Religion dosn't belong in politics.
The fundamental premice of religion is that if you don't believe what ever it is that we tell you, you will go to hell and you should be killed.
That whole idea leads to war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 03/17/2008

You're right that religion doesn't belong in politics, but that doesn't excuse Wright's incendiary comments after 9/11 and Obama's continued support for the Pastor through contributions. How were Wright's comments biblical? How was that Christian? Just because you have the word church on your door, that shouldn't give you free reign to illicit hate and anger.

Also from Tinity's site:

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 03/17/2008
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This man was Obama's pastor for over 20 years, Obama chose him to perform his wedding, baptize his kids, inspire his book title, and serve as a religious advisor on his campaign. He even credits him with bringing him to Christianity. So he is FAR more than a mere campaign supporter, he’s Obama's spiritual leader. And he’s a divisive hate monger. So much for Obama's "new politics" of moving beyond what divides us, beyond labels, and into what unites us. As I've said from Day One: Obama is all empty campaign slogans with nothing behind them. I would amend that now to say that, more and more, instead of finding nothing behind the slogans, I'm finding scary things back there. Scary things that are the opposite of the things the slogans say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 03/17/2008

He is a "divisive hate monger" as far as you are concerned. Fortunately there are a lot of people out there who choose not to judge someone on a couple of cherry picked things they said over the course of a 30 year career as a minister. I don't see what Wright said is any worse than what a lot of the right wing preachers are saying from their pulpit.

You are obviously a Hillary Rove Clinton supporter who was just looking for an anti-Obama bandwagon to hop on. You are also probably a closet bigot. Perhaps you should look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you chose to believe that Obama is lying when he says that he did not know that Wright had said those things and only found out after he started his campaign for President.

What are you going to do when Obama is the candidate? Are you going to vote for McCain? There's always Nader. Or are you going to stay home and pout because Hillary Rove Clinton got her head handed to her on a plate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 03/17/2008
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The concern is that not only will this hurt Obama in the GE (and it will), but that it will also greatly damage ALL Democrats in November (which it will as well).

If Obama is the nominee, every single Democrat will have to deal with the 527 ads that they will run against them showing Wright saying Gad damn America; the US brought on 9-11 on their own; the US government invented Aids to control blacks; and on and on and on.

Every election will be about Wright and the image of the POTUS getting advice from his mentor and spiritual advisor who hates America and who has a lot of anger towards white people. The election will be devastating because instead of it being about Bush and Iraq and overall imcompetence, it will be about why didn't Obama go to another church and how could he bring his daughters to listen to this hateful rhetoric week after week.

It is difficult to deal with, but he needs to step aside sooner than later so the party can unite around HRC and defeat the Republicans. This is a deal-killer and eh should have stepped away from Wright years ago or diffused this better months ago. He has been rushed along too fast and wasn't properly vetted and now it is going to end his chances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 03/17/2008
- mvpeach10 I'm a Fan of mvpeach10 5 fans permalink

OBAMA IS LYING. CraigMM, you are so right. Of course Obama has been exposed to this crazy hate-filled pastor, his spiritual leader, friend, like an uncle, who married Obama, baptized his children, and ranted for the 20 years Obama was, by his own statement, an active member of the church. It stretches the credulity of the American people to believe him when he says he never heard these views. He cannot win a general election. The pastor's views will be played over and over again with Obama's statements beside the video of the pastor making his anti-American, anti-white, and anti-semitic shouts, damning America and calling white people all kinds of vile names. McCain has an easy road to the White HOuse thanks to Obama, and the mainstream media who swooned over this man like a rock star and failed to vet him as they should have. They knew the truth. Everyone in Chicago knew about this pastor. Obama had everything planned for his coronation except his failure to control the loose tongue of his spiritual advisor. The cat is out of the bag now. Privately, his staff and aides say Obama is ungracious and unwilling to listen to those who disagree with him. He's arrogant, swaggering, stubborn--­reminiscen­t of George W. Bush in his sense of entitlement. Wow! Please super delegates save us from the big defeat. Count the Florida delegates and stop trying to get away from the whole purpose of super delegates, namely to keep the party from making a huge mistake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 03/17/2008
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OBAMA IS LYING. CraigMM, you are so right. Of course Obama has been exposed to this crazy hate-filled pastor--his “spiritual leader, friend, like an uncle,” the man who married Obama, baptized his children, and ranted for the 20 years Obama was, by his own admission, an active member of the church. It stretches the credulity of the American people to believe that he never heard these views. Obama cannot win a general election. The pastor's views will be played over and over again with Obama's statements beside the video of the pastor making his anti-American, anti-white, and anti-semitic shouts, damning America and calling white people all kinds of vile names. McCain has an easy road to the White House thanks to Obama, and the mainstream media who swooned over this man like a rock star and failed to vet him as they should have. They knew the truth. Everyone in Chicago knew about this pastor. Obama had everything planned for his coronation except his failure to control the loose tongue of his spiritual advisor. The cat is out of the bag now. Privately, his staff and aides say Obama is ungracious and unwilling to listen to those who disagree with him. He's arrogant, swaggering, stubborn--­reminiscen­t of George W. Bush in his sense of entitlement. Wow! Please super delegates save us from the big defeat. Count the Florida delegates and stop trying to get away from the whole purpose of super delegates, namely set up to keep the party from making a huge mistake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 03/17/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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You are in total denial if you think the Rethuglicans don't have information on Hillary for 537 ads get real. Everyone needs to stop panicking and put this into perspective. We have to fight the right wing attack machine no matter who is the nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 03/17/2008
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People assume because Obama has been in this church for 20yrs he's attended EVERY service and should know everything that has ever been preached since he began attending this church. I guess we fail to realize that the media is only showing the sound bites of the negative remarks. I have listened to this video and i may be young but no one could deny the history of this country. If you actually listen to what was said you will realize alot of his statements were true. The Gov. has used minorities as test subjects, research the "tuskegee experiment". Rev. right came from a time when racism was still a major issue in this country, so his statements come from this frustration. Obama has said this were the fights of the past and he doesn't plan to go back in the past. He is trying to move the country forward and beyond that rhetoric!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 03/17/2008

How this will effect the Obama campaign is that it calls for more scrutiny as to who Obama is ,what he really believes,is he truthful and what is his history. People will take a closer look at the man. Whether you support him or not, this can't just be swept under the rug, and of course Obama can not be held responsible for what someone else says. But it needs to be looked into as to whether Obama really had no idea (as he claims) that his preacher was making these remarks . Which I find hard to believe, but if it is true that he didn't know, that is problematic too. Since he was deeply involved in this church and this pastor, that he had no idea that these public preachments and statements were made is not a good sign of someone who is in touch with and in command of his environment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 03/17/2008
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No matter how much explaining he is going to do, or how many speeches he is going to give, he can't unring the bell. Everyone doubts him now, not because this jackass preacher said something stupid, but because Obama's campaign is all about his superior "judgment". After a 20 year relationship with this guy, having him on the campaign as an adviser, people wonder how much of this rhetoric has worked its way into his ability to exercise good judgment.

In other words, hang out in a barber shop long enough and you're bound to get a haircut.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 03/17/2008
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To all the gullible and the naive Americans, read Frank Schaeffers piece today in this same Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 03/17/2008

There appears to be a double standard regarding this type of language from the pulpit in this country. If you haven't read the article below already, go follow the link and see what I mean. I found it to be interesting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 03/17/2008

No impact. Of course, we are not going to hold Hillary hostage to Bill's sexual escapades at the White House and argue that Hillary is unelectable because, like husband like wife, Hillary will prey on young male interns at the White House. Hillary is closer to Bill than Obama to the disgruntled Reverend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/17/2008

What troubles me most about the Obama core message of "Raising the tone in Washington" is that there seems to be no beef in his message to accomplish this worthy goal. He seems to blame democrats for partisanship equally with the Republicans. So how does he change the opposition when despite Dems frequently crossing the aisle to enable neocon fantasies, the Republicans have not reciprocated in any way. If Obama cannot moderate the message of his own mentor and close friend, the Reverend Wright, (and their is yet no evidence of an effort to do so) then, how does he propose to moderate the entrenched animosity between his party and the opposing party?? The only way towards modification of the neocon right is a large majority of Democrats in both houses of Congress. Can he do that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 03/17/2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm-zKG2i8Ec&feature=PlayList&p=0DE44E1DC2436C44&index=0&playnext=1
Shame On Joe Scarborough, MSM & Obama Part 1
The American people don’t deserve to be manipulated and lied to.
http://representativepress.googlepages.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 03/17/2008
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