A US soldier eats freshly baked bread and looks on at the cooking pot at a family compound outside Youssifiyah, 20 kilometers (12 miles) south of Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday, March 16, 2008. (AP Photo/Loay Hameed)

US Nears 4,000 Dead in Iraq

BRADLEY BROOKS | March 16, 2008 05:17 PM EST | AP

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BAGHDAD — Sometime soon, the U.S. military will suffer the 4,000th death of the war in Iraq.

When the 1,000th American died in September 2004, the insurgency was just gaining steam. The 2,000th death came as Iraq held its first elections in decades, in October 2005. The U.S. announced its 3,000th loss on the last day of 2006, at the end of a year rocked by sectarian violence.

The 4,000th death will come with the war further out of the public eye, and replaced by other topics on the front burner of the U.S. presidential campaigns.

Analysts say the 4,000 dead, while an arbitrary marker, could inject the war debate back into the campaign season, particularly with the war's fifth anniversary on Thursday. Or, with overall violence lower in Iraq, the milestone could pass with far less public discussion than in past years.

Last year was the deadliest for American troops in Iraq, with 901 troops killed. As of Sunday, at least 3,988 Americans have died in Iraq.

James Carafano, a military analyst with the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, said that the decline in violence since 30,000 troops were sent into Iraq last summer has been more important in the public's eye.

"Americans are not casualty averse. They are failure averse," Carafano said. "They were unhappy with the lack of progress and spiraling violence. That is why you have seen public support rebound after it was clear the surge was working."

The number killed in Iraq is far less than in other modern American wars. In Vietnam, the U.S. lost on average about 4,850 troops a year from 1963-75. In the Korean war, from 1950-53, the U.S. lost about 12,300 soldiers a year.

A 2006 Duke University study found that it was 100 times as likely that an American knew one of the 292,000 Americans killed in World War II than someone today would know a service member slain in Iraq.

Soldiers and analysts alike say the impact of the deaths in Iraq has been largely lost on many Americans who have no personal connection to the war.

"It's still a war that hasn't involved a draft or an increase in taxes," said Jon Alterman, who heads the Middle East program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "This is a war that most Americans continue to feel they don't have to make sacrifices for."

Alterman said that while the Iraq war has not played as big of a role in the campaigns as once expected, the confluence of 4,000 slain troops, the fifth anniversary and the crucial Pennsylvania Democratic primary could push the war back to the forefront.

"It may be that stacking three things together refocuses the debate," he said. "Or it may be that people are simply tired of the war, tired of talking about it and are wanting to think of something else."

Carafano said that the public's seeming indifference to casualty figures is the rule _ not the exception _ for most wars America has been in.

"In war and everything else Americans get energized when they are touched in a personal way. In most wars, not just Iraq, that does not happen," he said.

Retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey said during a recent speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in New York that the situation for U.S. soldiers in Iraq is "infinitely better" now that during 2006, when Americans were losing the equivalent of a battalion _ about 600 to 1,000 soldiers _ a month to deaths and injuries.

But McCaffrey said the U.S. military is being drained of its energy and morale because of the slow pace of training that will allow more Iraqi soldiers to take over the fight. American soldiers, he said, are "becoming increasingly unsure about the position they've been placed in."

What that position is will largely be determined by who wins the presidency in November.

"The military is very conscious of the long-term costs of the war," Alterman said. "But we have a civilian-led military and it is for the civilians to decide when we fight and how we fight. As much as the military is conscious of the costs of continuing to fight, they are also aware it isn't their decision whether to stop or not."


 
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2000 dead was a "comma"-- Are 4000 dead equal then to a semi-colon?
On the plus side: gramatically a semicolon denotes the start of a new thought.
On the negative: GWB is really bad at grammar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 03/17/2008
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The cost of Iraqi Freedom?

From CSNY

http://optimisticvoices.blogspot.com/2008/01/find-cost-of-freedom-crosby-stills-nash.html

"Daylight again, following me to bed

I think about a hundred years ago, how my fathers bled

I think I see a valley, covered with bones in blue

All the brave soldiers that cannot get older been askin' after you

Hear the past a callin', from Armegeddon's side

When everyone's talkin' and no one is listenin', how can we decide?

(Do we) find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground

Mother earth will swallow you, lay your body down

Find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground

Mother earth will swallow you, lay your body down

(Find the cost of freedom buried in the ground)"

I see that the pompous ass Elton John is doing a "benefit concert" for Hillary. Perhaps he should do a concert for some of the wounded soldiers who will be forever fucked up by her-- oops--- I mean George's war in Iraq. Will we ever find the cost of freedom? Not sure that we will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 03/17/2008
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How's my math - Huff Puff won't let me post my previous post - Bad Huff Puff

3988 dead US Troops

5 Dead not confirmed by DOD (3993)

145 suicide

29314 wounded

308 coalition dead

40,229 medical air transports

12 billion - is 1,000 million - per month

$12,000,000,000.00 / 43200 minutes in a month = $277,777.778 minute

$4,630.00 second

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 03/17/2008
- huffposeur I'm a Fan of huffposeur 23 fans permalink

what a joyous day it will be on huffpo when the 4000 mark is hit. anyone wonder where captain edward graham is these days? the fake captain had a lot of fans on this board, but even more in al-qaeda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 03/17/2008
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You are reprehensible. So blind in your allegiance to war mongers and corporate profiteers in your that you would say that US citizens will be happy when more of our sons and daughters die. You are not the kind of citizen pour nation needs... but I'm sure you make your neocon masters happy as you grovel at their feet in perpetual fear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 03/17/2008
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Fortunately for you the mods on Huffpo will not allow me to post what I think of you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 03/17/2008

Protecting our freedom from the Iraqis is a dangerous job. Anyway, as Tony Snow said, it's just a number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 03/17/2008
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George Bush the benevolent and all knowing commander, elected by idiots, now says War is Romantic so how can we belittle his wisdom?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 03/17/2008
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May I suggest that we take a moment to locate "Winter Soldier" stories being shared this week by soldiers of this Iraq war.

Of course mainstream media is not broadcasting this, but to their credit Cspan, along with other independent venues is. We need to see these images....we are still in a coma!!!!

Is it too late to get outraged America? Hey you inspired Obama supporters, is it possible for you to use some of that energy to call for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney for their crimes and lies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 03/17/2008
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*sigh*

As always..... my heart aches for the families and friends of those fallen men and women..... Tis the act of madmen, this war..... I hope and pray it will be over soon, and all those people who sacrifice every single day can come home..... and the people of Iraq can begin to rebuild what is left of their lives and their country..............

Also... we should not forget the civilian casualties..... the displaced Iraqis living in refugee camps, the children who have lost their families...... It is all horribly, terribly tragic.............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 03/17/2008
- tumblewind I'm a Fan of tumblewind 2 fans permalink

They can't tell the truth about this war! I would imagine the American public would go ballistic if they did. So most of it is being hushed up and kept out of the papers. The rest is being lied about and covered up like Republican's always do. What we do get in the media is questionable. One has no idea how much truth there is too it. Or if it's another one of Bush's fabrications. So it wouldn't surprise me if there were more servicemen dead than the official number. As far as I can see the media is as complicit in the cover up as the Administration is. So running up to the election I would imagine we will be hearing the Republican Party line about how the surge is working and things are getting better. But, it doesn't change the basics for me. This war was a mistake and you can't shove democracy down people's throats. It doesn't work and it won't work in the end in Iraq!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 03/17/2008
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So, you believe that the American public "would go ballistic" if they were told the truth about this war? Not so. The truth is easily obtained. No, they do not WANT to know about the war. It is an uncomfortable fact, and therefore not admitted into their consciousness. I am reminded of how much the American public share the major alcoholic syndrome -- denial. What is needed is a painful "bottoming out", and if we are lucky it will happen sooner than later. The political enablers, with their pep-talks and financial helping out, -- Bush, Hillbilly, McCain, and Obama, merely prolong the inevitable national confrontation with reality. Only one Presidential candidate has proposed some "strong medicine" -- but he is not to be mentioned lest the drunken dreamers be disturbed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 03/17/2008
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Hey, it's just a number, right George? What really matters is that we are bringing Christianity to the heathen Islamics and teaching them that Jeeeebus is better and stronger than Mohammed. Oh, and don't forget about all the money still to be made. As for the 4,000+ Americans and the thousands of Iraqi dead, it's just a number, right George? It's just a number, nothing to get worried about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/17/2008

As Bush called 2000 dead a "comma", perhaps 4000 dead rates as a "semi-colon".
The plus side of this: gramatically, a semi-colon denotes the start of a new thought.
The down side: GWB never really learned his grammar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 03/17/2008
- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 148 fans permalink

Never mind the "actually dead." The "walking dead" are about 5 to 7 times that number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 03/17/2008

When will the Democrats grow a spine and impeach the criminals Bush and Cheney?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 03/17/2008
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Does Hillary know the number of dead American soldiers killed in Bush's Illegal War?

Just asking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 03/17/2008
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We would have IMPEACHED HIM!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 03/17/2008
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