Clinton Camp Hedges, Then Backpedals, On Troop Withdrawal

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First Posted: 03-17-08 02:22 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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Ever since former aide Samantha Power admitted to the BBC that Sen. Barack Obama's Iraq withdrawal plan could change depending on conditions on the ground, the Clinton campaign has been unrelenting in its criticism.

"Out campaigning Senator Obama tells voters that as president he'd withdraw combat brigades from Iraq within 16 months, but one of his top foreign policy advisers told a different story," Sen. Clinton herself declared in a speech today. "Giving speeches alone won't end the war and making campaign promises you might not keep certainly won't end it. In the end, the true test is not the speeches a president delivers, it's whether the president delivers on the speeches."

On a conference call later that day, however, aides to the New York senator fumbled a bit, giving the impression that their Iraq plans could also change depending on circumstance -- and then abruptly back-peddling.

In a rapid back-and-forth exchange at the end of the session, Michael Dobbs, of the Washington Post, asked repeatedly whether Clinton would stick to withdrawing one to two brigades of troops a month even if there is a massive spike of violence as U.S. troops departed.

Trying his best to keep the campaign line, Lee Feinstein, Clinton's National Security Director, nevertheless acknowledged: "There are, in the world, contingencies."

He was, to be sure, quick to get back on point. "But it is a very different manner when you enter office un-intending to implement the plan you have put out on the campaign trail, which what we have seemed to have learned n on the basis of the comments of a former senior aide to Senator Obama."

This, however, was not a sufficient explanation for Dobbs who rightfully wanted to know whether a hypothetical Clinton administration would really tie itself to a withdrawal plan more than a half a year prior to taking office.

Weren't contingencies exactly what Power was talking about? "Even if there's a new upsurge of violence in Iraq she will stick to that plan, or is that just the best case scenario?" he asked.

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"Hillary has dealt with this issue a million times," said Neera Tanden, the campaign's policy director. "She has said she would bring her troops home. She has said there will be a small force to address al Qaeda."

This, Dobbs noted, was another evasion. Yes or no, would Clinton stick to the withdrawal plan she has outlined even if the security situation in Iraq were to fall apart?

Finally, the campaign's spokesperson stepped in.

"This is Howard Wolfson," he said. "You asked for a one-word answer and the answer is yes."

Late Update: Susan Rice, Senator Obama's foreign policy adviser, is asked about the same issue on a later conference call. She doesn't, as Wolfson did, firmly say that Obama will not adjust his withdrawal plan. She does, however, rip into Feinstein and, tangentially Clinton, for the "contingencies" remark.

"Sen. Obama has been very clear about his position, he believes that it is entirely realistic and responsible to redeploy our forces from Iraq at a rate of one to two combat brigades per month and that is what he will immediately do upon taking office... He believes it is perfectly possible, and perfectly reasonable, to affect a rate of one to two combat brigades per month.

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"On the one hand Lee Feinstein said that [Sen. Clinton's] plan was subject to contingencies, which was an interesting phrase and begs the question, what are contingencies?... But if that is Sen. Clintons' position, it is the height of politics and hypocrisy for Sen. Clinton to criticize Sen. Obama for doing what I just said."

Ever since former aide Samantha Power admitted to the BBC that Sen. Barack Obama's Iraq withdrawal plan could change depending on conditions on the ground, the Clinton campaign has been unrelenting in...
Ever since former aide Samantha Power admitted to the BBC that Sen. Barack Obama's Iraq withdrawal plan could change depending on conditions on the ground, the Clinton campaign has been unrelenting in...
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First off remember, these are surrogates, not Clinton herself. You should really only hold her accountable to what she says and mostly just ignore the surrogates.

And really, its a bit unfair to surrogates at times, having to give answers for the candidate and then having the candidate being held to those answers when often times questions arise that the candidate themselves haven't properly fleshed out either in the media or within the campaign.

That being said, what this, in my opinion, points to more than flip flopping or hypocrisy is an increasing and distressing lack of communication between those in the Clinton camp. It really seems like the one hand doesn't know what the other is doing at times, and that would say more about Clinton's ability to handle large scale organizations than the actual statements above say about Clinton's stances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 03/17/2008

is this the policy of week game? OMG, this is pathetic. even on Iraq she can't articulate a clear and consistent policy - at 3am which hillary with which set of policy positions will answer the phone - it is like a game show - what is my line!! I know another Obama guy bashing hillary - but come on, enough is enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 03/17/2008
- SLone08 I'm a Fan of SLone08 5 fans permalink

I posted this on the NYT blog earlier but I think it's relevant to re-post here (I wanted to be sure to site myself so as to not be accused of plagiarism :) )

Well Senator Clinton, what can we expect from you?
You helped Bush get us into Iraq, as a matter of fact, you even made a speech which asserted that Al Qaeda and Iraq were connected. And you did this without reading the NIE report. Nobody can predict the future, but I would expect that before sending our soldiers into battle, you would take the time to carefully consider the consequences. If that was part of your "Commander-in-Chief" test, you clearly failed.

Maybe you will get us out of Iraq as you have suggested, but does that mean you will keep us out of Iran? You voted for Kyl/Lieberman and have made your career by pandering to the Pro-Israeli lobby,so why should we believe that as President you would opt for diplomacy over military action?
How about Cluster Bombs, Senator? You voted NOT to ban the use of a weapon which causes enormous amounts of suffering and is clearly inhumane. As you have said on numerous occasions, we must judge the candidates based on their respective records. Going by your record, it would appear that you would be better suited running for the Republican nomination.


You're attempt at sincerity when talking about Iraq is appalling. The blood of our men and women is on your hands, Senator Clinton. And even after everything that has happened, you cannot bring yourself to admit an error in judgment.

We've had 7 years of a President who refuses to admit his mistakes. Are we really willing to elect someone who will do the same?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 03/17/2008
- fcadmus I'm a Fan of fcadmus 3 fans permalink

This is what happens when you will say anything to get elected. Hillary never takes an unpopular position for fear that she will offend. She has to look at the poll figures before speaking. Nothing is principled. For example, when Geraldine Ferraro was spewing incoherent and prejudiced concerns denigrating Barak Obama's campaign success, Hillary failed to show to leadership. She squandered the opportunity to take hold of the situation and unite people...anything to win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 03/17/2008
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BACKPEDALS ON TROOP WITHDRAWAL????

The Bush administration invaded Iraq, destroyed it, disbanded their army, drove millions of it's innocent citizens out of the country, opend the borders to al-Qaeda, lost the lives of 4000 Americans and a millions Iraqis, created a nation of chaos AND THEY CALL THAT PROGRESS!!!!

Hiliary Clinton doesn't want to go on record for ending our presence in Iraq, because she wants to find a way to politically exploit the fact that many stupid voters believe in a phony, false, misguided, catastrophically mismanged and wholly destructive Bush fiasco. Just like she doesn't want to reveal her earmarks, her taxes and who contributed to the Clinton library, she doesn't want to reveal what she truly wants to do with our troops because some people won't vote for her if she does. Rather than a candidacy of openess, honesty and principle, Mrs. Clinton is trying not to offend even those that she disagrees with most. in the false hopes of stealing the presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 03/17/2008

so wait...according to Howard Wolfson Clitnon will stand by her policy even if it is failing? Its obvious different situations will dictate different responses. I fshe is planning on stubbornly sticking to a course regardless of circumstance, how are we in any better shape with her over Bush?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 03/17/2008
- graffen48 I'm a Fan of graffen48 10 fans permalink
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Clinton is pathetic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 03/17/2008
- DoAsISay I'm a Fan of DoAsISay 3 fans permalink

Billary will release a long list of contingencies as soon as she wins the presidency. McBush is atleast honest about keeping the troops in Iraq. All Billary is doing is making promises with contingencies attached, and just like tax returns and list of funders, we are not allowed to ask what those contingencies will be.

If she is president, does she also have to keep the promises that wolfson makes, or will she say she is not responsible for promises made by her spokesman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 03/17/2008

Classic Clinton! Always the campaign to cast the first stone but never willing to acknowledge the painful truth when the rock ricochets and hits them right between the eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 03/17/2008

Wow, Camp Clinton becomes more pathetic on the issues by the day. No wonder she needs the side issues of identity politics to distract and divide us. If we began to "vet" her, what might we find?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 03/17/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 106 fans permalink
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Another Hillary SECRET

Here's an update on the Peter Paul vs. Clintons lawsuit:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56868

DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Go to www.lasuperiorcourt.org (Los Angeles Superior Court) and look in the CIVIL Column, then Click on CASE SUMMARIES then enter these numbers in the box BC304174. It is an active case and has been since January. Sen. Clinton he has not disclosed it. Even after bringing up Rezko and calling Sen. Obama "Ken Starr". I think, before we go any further, she needs to disclose this.

Come on HuffPost PLEASE start reporting on this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 03/17/2008
- Alessan I'm a Fan of Alessan 2 fans permalink

You ObaMA people on this website have got to go, stop stirring up trouble on personal issues concerning the issues, or maybe you are republicans either way you really should go to the Ob ama site and talk all you want about Hillary Clinton and McCain. If you have something to say to Hillary go to her site. So far Hillary still has a chance to win, and the people sticking with her will continue to stick with her, same for Obama, in spite of the issue on the fact that Obama is lying about his beliefs and he has no values.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 03/17/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 106 fans permalink
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Hilllary does not let REAL people post on her site. There are very few posts on her site and they seem to all be typed by her campaign people.

We Obama 'people' do not have to go anywhere!
This is America!

Campaign FRAUD is NOT a personal issue, it is something that ALL of AMERICA needs to know about!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 03/17/2008
- Texas4Obama I'm a Fan of Texas4Obama 106 fans permalink
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Clinton's tax records are an issue.
The tax return records and Clinton library donor records will show what COUNTRIES they are getting their money from and who they will OWE if she remains in public office!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 03/17/2008

Lying about his beliefs and have no values? Wow, nice smear. Rove would be proud.


So explain, what beliefs is he lying about?


A little secret, after a decade of Rove poltics tried to teach us different: everyone has values. You may not like or agree with a person's values, but we all have them. For example, I'm guessing you have poor values. Making a sweeping statement for the purpose of character assassination based on zero evidence. I don't like those values, nor do I thik they should be upheld as a good standard. You are also hypocritical, making readers believe that lying bothers you yet you support Hillary. Again, not good values.


A valuable lesson is that it's now obvious why you support Clinton. Your values match up well with hers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 03/17/2008

Shhh! Don't interrupt me with policy issues. I'm trying to decide if the former marine Rev. Dr. Wright is unpatriotic or not!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 03/17/2008

you know the okalahoma bomber was an ex soldier too...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 03/17/2008
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Is the Rev. Dr. Wright as unpatriotic Falwell, Hagee, Robertson et al?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 03/17/2008

It lies. It cheats. It steals. It murders. It slanders. It flip flops. It says anything that you want to hear.

Tell me again why it should be president?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 03/17/2008
- coolkraft I'm a Fan of coolkraft 4 fans permalink

like the energizer bunny she just keeps on going and going...in the flip flop direction...laughing out loud Hillary...you dont know what to do ... your campaign sucks and you say you are the best qualified to run the country...best laugh I have had in this campaign

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 03/17/2008

Hillary needs to get out of the race before she does even more damage to the party ... not to mention makes more of a complete idiot of herself. Before this race I had respect for her, but no more -- she will do anything and say anything to get elected. Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 03/17/2008
- arethabaez I'm a Fan of arethabaez 3 fans permalink

Did any of you Obamanites even read the propaganda above? Even BO's male lover, Sam Stein, ended the piece with the answer is "YES" she will withdrawl!
So where was the hedging. Another piece of TWISTEd Hillary-hate from the HP--oh my what a surprise. She gives a major speech and it's buried under the" BO prepares a speech" headline.
She obviously gave a great speech, because a flawed one would have rated a HP headline!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 03/17/2008
- SDgirl I'm a Fan of SDgirl 4 fans permalink

If she opened her mouth and words came out it was at best triangulation and more likely a lie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 03/17/2008

It's hard to take this response seriously, but I'll try...nope, just too much hate talk to even garner a respectable response.

By the way...we read the last line, after reading the entire column...did you read the entire column? I don't care if Daddy Wolfsen had to interrupt and answer, the original response was just as vague as they are declaring Power's comment to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 03/17/2008
- RIBassist I'm a Fan of RIBassist 2 fans permalink

The problem is, once again, that the Clinton campaign has allowed itself to be painted into a corner. There's absolutely no way that an honest person could guarantee what Wolfson guaranteed. It shows how little her campaign really does know about strategic and tactical engagement, despite her caterwauling about readiness to be CIC.

If we begin to withdraw troops at the rate suggested by the Clinton campaign, there are all kinds of contingencies that could arise. In the first and most troubling scenario, remaining US troops could be in jeaopardy of being slaughtered at the hands of Sunnis, Shias or both. The country that we've spent TRILLIONS to usher into a democratic state could collapse into full-on civil war with the likely rise of a radical Islamist force to replace the current government (such as it is).

In scenarios like these, no responsible CIC would continue the withdrawl. Obama has the judgment to understand this up front, and not make a promise that we as a nation might not be able to keep. Clinton, on the other hand, doesn't care WHAT she says, as long as she thinks it looks like she won the argument.

Do I believe that she would sacrifice more American and Iraqui lives to win? Yes, absolutely, and she'd do it without batting an eye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 03/17/2008
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Yes, her campaign spokesman stepped in for some damage control...and lied his ass off. If during HRC's withdrawl plan all hell broke loose and the killing raged she would change strategies accordingly. That is to her credit, the campaign lies are not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 03/17/2008
- IslandGyal I'm a Fan of IslandGyal 50 fans permalink
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Yes, but he's knows he's lying, since the government doesn't work like that. Again, any intelligent person, which it doesn't seem to have too many in the Hillary Clinton camp, knows, what a candidate says while running, will have to be revamped, once s/he get specific information, not currently available to them, geeeez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 03/17/2008
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