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Clinton Camp Hedges, Then Backpedals, On Troop Withdrawal

Clinton Camp Hedges, Then Backpedals, On Troop Withdrawal

March 17, 2008 02:22 PM


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Ever since former aide Samantha Power admitted to the BBC that Sen. Barack Obama's Iraq withdrawal plan could change depending on conditions on the ground, the Clinton campaign has been unrelenting in its criticism.

"Out campaigning Senator Obama tells voters that as president he'd withdraw combat brigades from Iraq within 16 months, but one of his top foreign policy advisers told a different story," Sen. Clinton herself declared in a speech today. "Giving speeches alone won't end the war and making campaign promises you might not keep certainly won't end it. In the end, the true test is not the speeches a president delivers, it's whether the president delivers on the speeches."

On a conference call later that day, however, aides to the New York senator fumbled a bit, giving the impression that their Iraq plans could also change depending on circumstance -- and then abruptly back-peddling.

In a rapid back-and-forth exchange at the end of the session, Michael Dobbs, of the Washington Post, asked repeatedly whether Clinton would stick to withdrawing one to two brigades of troops a month even if there is a massive spike of violence as U.S. troops departed.

Trying his best to keep the campaign line, Lee Feinstein, Clinton's National Security Director, nevertheless acknowledged: "There are, in the world, contingencies."

He was, to be sure, quick to get back on point. "But it is a very different manner when you enter office un-intending to implement the plan you have put out on the campaign trail, which what we have seemed to have learned n on the basis of the comments of a former senior aide to Senator Obama."

This, however, was not a sufficient explanation for Dobbs who rightfully wanted to know whether a hypothetical Clinton administration would really tie itself to a withdrawal plan more than a half a year prior to taking office.

Weren't contingencies exactly what Power was talking about? "Even if there's a new upsurge of violence in Iraq she will stick to that plan, or is that just the best case scenario?" he asked.

"Hillary has dealt with this issue a million times," said Neera Tanden, the campaign's policy director. "She has said she would bring her troops home. She has said there will be a small force to address al Qaeda."

This, Dobbs noted, was another evasion. Yes or no, would Clinton stick to the withdrawal plan she has outlined even if the security situation in Iraq were to fall apart?

Finally, the campaign's spokesperson stepped in.

"This is Howard Wolfson," he said. "You asked for a one-word answer and the answer is yes."

Late Update: Susan Rice, Senator Obama's foreign policy adviser, is asked about the same issue on a later conference call. She doesn't, as Wolfson did, firmly say that Obama will not adjust his withdrawal plan. She does, however, rip into Feinstein and, tangentially Clinton, for the "contingencies" remark.

"Sen. Obama has been very clear about his position, he believes that it is entirely realistic and responsible to redeploy our forces from Iraq at a rate of one to two combat brigades per month and that is what he will immediately do upon taking office... He believes it is perfectly possible, and perfectly reasonable, to affect a rate of one to two combat brigades per month.

[snip]

"On the one hand Lee Feinstein said that [Sen. Clinton's] plan was subject to contingencies, which was an interesting phrase and begs the question, what are contingencies?... But if that is Sen. Clintons' position, it is the height of politics and hypocrisy for Sen. Clinton to criticize Sen. Obama for doing what I just said."


 
 

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SINCE THE BUSH ADMINSTRATION LIES SO MUCH WHO COULD MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT THE WHOLE STRY AND COMPELETE INFORMATION.

TRUSTING THE BUSH WHITEHOUSE IS LIKE PLAYING WITH RATTLE SNAKES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 03/18/2008

Hahaha...the Hilary clinton camp are a pathetic bunch of very very good liars and spinners.

What I don't get is how quite manay supporters can be so gullible as to fall for Hilary's wily claims and negativity. Are Americans really that dumb?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 AM on 03/18/2008

Why is it that very time the Obama camp miss step; their sorogates out there always wants to play gotyou with the Clinton camp instead of just admitting their mistake...... I have never seen anything more pathetic, say one thing to the masses, say another in closed door. So much for politics of change and hope!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 03/18/2008

Clinton has said consistently since last year in more than one debate that withdrawal plans would depend on the situation at the time. That's the same thing Obama said and has said consistently. They were both chastised by Edwards for reneging on their promises. Sound familiar? Go back to his adviser's full remarks including the sentences before and after the one quoted by Clinton. Get your facts right, please. Or is that just "lawyer speak"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 03/18/2008

- "The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."

- George Stephanopolous,
speaking on "Larry King Live" about the Bill Clinton campaign

http://www.giga-usa.com/quotes/topics/presidency_t001.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 03/18/2008

This is why Clinton has such low numbers when it comes to honesty, and Obama has such high numbers. Obama has been honest regarding Iraq. He has been practical, pragmatic, and honest. Either Clinton is lying, and she too would withdraw responsibly, rather than just up and leaving no matter what, or she's a disaster waiting to happen. Neither is good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 03/18/2008

Hillary and her campaign has turned out to be quite a pos.

I would have voted for her last year. :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 03/18/2008

"Giving speeches alone won't end the war and making campaign promises you might not keep certainly won't end it. In the end, the true test is not the speeches a president delivers, it's whether the president delivers on the speeches."

Senator Clinton,
You do realize that Obama must first take office before he can "deliver," don't you? Maybe you should worry about delivering on your blurry and pretentious speeches.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 AM on 03/18/2008

There'll be no waffles served in MY campaign 'chow hall', if I get George's job, the Iraq 'war' is OVER, troops out ASAP, and that's all there is to it. Maybe the 'defense' fatcats will hate me, but that's ok, they're going to hate me MORE if I get the job...'cause there's going to be some fair-sized 'defense' budget cuts, too. The whole apparatus has, in my view, grown and swollen to the point where the people in it just about seem to think they all but set our foreign policy, and I'll be politely blunt right now, if/when inaugurated, I'll be giving instructions, and if they're not followed pretty much to-the-letter, I'll be sending out hand-typed letters of notification, in quintuplicate if need be, but I'll 'get er done' in no uncertain terms. There comes a point, and in my estimation, we're there.

Bert08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 03/18/2008

Typical Hillary tactic of mis-construing Obama's words.

SSDD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 03/17/2008

Hillary was more than a Bush War supporter, she was not silent but was a propagandist for Bush.

NYT, "Senator Clinton found herself adopting the same argument that was being aggressively pushed by the administration. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other administration officials had repeated their claim frequently, and by early October 2002, two out of three Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was connected to the Sept. 11 attacks."

There was no intelligence suggesting this so Hillary must have taken this lie directly from the Bush administration. She was an active Bush supporter for war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 03/17/2008

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/17/poll.democrats/index.html

The above poll contradicts with the Rasmussen Reports poll that is out today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 03/17/2008

not to be negative but I think we need to wait a week or so to see how this Wright stuff sinks in. Its going to take a week or two for people to process what happened.

Lets see what the polls are in a week or so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 03/18/2008

Cool! You corrected "backpeddles"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 03/17/2008

The Clintons have never been known for integrity. Many democrats defended Bill over and over....
Be prepared to do the same if Hillary steals the nomination.

Typical Rove tactic - accuse your opponent of your own weakness. Create a lie, and repeat it over and over.... "35 years of experience"....

I don't get why anyone supports Hillary - I really don't. Well, okay, lobbyists I can understand...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 03/17/2008

"Another Hillary SECRETHere's an update on the Peter Paul vs. Clintons lawsuit:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56868
DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Go to www.lasuperiorcourt.org (Los Angeles Superior Court) and look in the CIVIL Column, then Click on CASE SUMMARIES then enter these numbers in the box BC304174. It is an active case and has been since January. Sen. Clinton he has not disclosed it. Even after bringing up Rezko and calling Sen. Obama "Ken Starr". I think, before we go any further, she needs to disclose this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 03/17/2008

Dear Senator Clinton,
Giving speeches alone won' make the words you say truthful nor wiil it gain you a presidency...
I have already lost all respect for you and you cannot shock me anymore.

OBAMA/EDWARDS '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 03/17/2008

"B Obama/R Paul in 08"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 03/17/2008

interesting, I think RP's libertarian stance is pretty great in some ways, but this shit ain't gonna happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 03/17/2008

Elton John A solo concert One Night Only in support of Hillary Clinton for President with Senator Hillary Clinton and President Bill Clinton Wed. April 09 ,2008 at Radio City Music Hall
Tickets range from $125 and $250 Also tickets for $500, $1000 and $2300
Tickets go on sale march 19 @ 9 a.m EDT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 03/17/2008

Is it ehtical or leagal for a British citizen to inject himself into an American election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 03/17/2008

Sorry for the spelling, but the question remains! Is it ethical or Legal for a British citizen to inject himself into an American election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 03/17/2008

1. It doesn't matter. She has already lost.
2. He's a brit, so he probably doesn't even know that she has already lost.
3. ???
4. She already lost.
5. Profit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 03/17/2008

Niether one will stick to the "plan" to withdraw once they have the real responsibility in their own hands. That will change everthing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 03/17/2008

Poor, poor little Hillary

Backup stances in auxiliary

But it never earns complimentary

All it gets her is the pillory

Poor, poor little Hill

So many say she is a shill

She's only here because of Bill

Make of it what you will

Poor, poor Mrs. C.

Powerful leader wannabe

Crushing all that she can see

But escaped by victory

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 03/17/2008

Beautiful. And I normally don't like poetry...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 03/17/2008

Roses are red

Violets are Blue.

Hillary already lost.

It depends on what the definition of is is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 03/17/2008

I can't believe Hillary turned against Sinbad today. After all he'd done to help her save Kosovo.
She's a "politician" you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 03/17/2008

Its a blow for family friendly entertainment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 03/17/2008

Given past experience Clinton usually attacks Obama for inconsistencies or fabrications that are really hers (e.g., the Canadian NAFTA fiasco). Frankly, at this point Clinton has no credibility as far as I am concerned. I believe she will say whatever she thinks will get her elected and then do what she thinks is politically expedient once she is elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 03/17/2008

No, DUH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 03/17/2008

Is hedging and backpeddling the same as flip flopping?

Just asking!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 03/17/2008

Hillary Clinton should have liked Samantha Power's logic-- if the conditions on the ground in Iraq change, the president would need to listen to the commanders to see what is the best thing to do. She brags about that kind of leadership all the time-- practical solutions, etc. Could it be Clinton was just trying to score a few cheap political points? Nah-- she'd never do that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 03/17/2008

I think that Obama has always positioned himself against and wisely it seems the Idiot's War. That's why HRC is attacking his prinaciple of getting out of a country we invaded without invitation, and have let a gang of oil hoodlooms to trash a modern civilized nation. It seems that at least Sadam kept water and the lights on, had Christians in his cabinet and offered a university education for all Iraqis including women, which fairly progressive for that neck of the woods. We re-built both Japan and Germany after WWII in less time than the Bush administration A war that was instigated with the aiding and abetting of Democrats like Hillary R Clinton. In November we will get probably have to chose between a Republican Neo-Con or a Democratic Ne-Con. Clinton knows she can't stand on her own record concerning the Idiot's War and her enabling of an executive power grab that our forefathers feared could happen that's why they had three independent branches keeping each other in check. Both those of branches have been so politised over the years they during the 109th Congress, Republicans were greatly aided and abetted by so-called Democrats like Joe Leiberman and Clinton in giving President Bush and his handlers the powers of a banana republican dictator. So Hillary catches Obama use two different dates for troop withdrawal, but the main issue that ending that disastrous war would be top priority in his administration. Hillary for either egosim to one up her husband and making him the first guy First Lady is willing to risk seeing her party defeated in November as long she gets the nomination in August; Maybe our whole two party system is so broken down and corrupt voters should just throw darts at the ballot at twenty paces for all the difference what We the People want. Notice how turned around the debate of Iraq, the only one of the three senators running for president that had it right to begin with is being publicly pecked to death by an old biddy past her glory days and knows it. Her once ideals of youth has given way to the cynical we'll take any bones the Corporate Party will throw us even if was We the People's meat that they stole to begin; if she ever had any youthful ideals besides that of a student class president forever running on the record of never missing a chance to sell out. Obama or anyone should be careful about exact dates of pulling out until they have the facts, the real facts not the ones imagined by the Neo-Cons. George Bush with the help from both Clinton and McCain not only invade, trash Iraq but undid habeous Corpus the basic rights on which our Constitution guarantees. Either our Constitution is illegal and irrelevant or it is the Bush Administration and its congressional enabler.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 03/17/2008

The Facts are as Senator, Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War Resolution and the Patriot Act.

These are the facts and become of them I will not vote for her - PERIOD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 03/17/2008
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