Florida Dems: We Will Not Revote

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First Posted: 03-17-08 05:47 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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The Florida Democrats have reached their decision. They will not be holding a revote for their primary, banking instead on the decision of the Rules & Bylaws Committee:

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input. Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again. So we won't. A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline. This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

Read the full memo:

Dear XXX,

For a year now, the Florida Democratic Party has tried to comply with the Delegate Selection Rules of the Democratic National Committee.

We researched every potential alternative process - from caucuses to county conventions to mail-in elections - but no plan could come anywhere close to being viable in Florida.

We made a detailed case to the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, but we were denied.

Our Democratic legislators in Tallahassee tried to set the Florida primary on Feb. 5, instead of Jan. 29, but of course, their proposed amendment to House Bill 537 was greeted with laughter and derision from the Republicans who control the state government <>.

Does '537' ring a bell? It should. It's the number of votes that separated Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore in Florida in 2000.

It's the number that sent this country and this world in a terrible direction.

We can't let 537 - or the Republicans - determine our future again.

President Bush plans to stop in Florida tomorrow to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Republican National Committee's efforts to elect his successor in November.

The last thing America needs is a third Bush term. Despite the widespread anxiety that working families feel, not to mention the broad agreement among economists that we are in a recession, President Bush and John McCain blindly believe that the economy is strong.

And let me remind you that John McCain endorsed President Bush's decision to deny health care to thousands of Florida children by vetoing an expansion of the successful SCHIP program. McCain also promises to jeopardize the financial security of Florida seniors by privatizing Social Security. He continually threatens to push Florida's military families to the brink by keeping American troops in Iraq for "100 years" or more.

This is why we are Democrats, and this is why we must stick together, no matter where this ongoing delegate debate takes us.

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input.

Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again.

So we won't.

A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline.

This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

When this committee stripped us of 100% of our delegates last year, some members summed up their reasoning by saying, "The rules are the rules." Unfortunately, the rules did not apply to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina when they, too, violated the DNC calendar by moving from their assigned dates.

As the late great Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "We must adjust our ideas to the facts of today... Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are."

The Florida Democratic Party has stuck to its principles throughout this debate. We've remained open-minded while never wavering from our commitment to an open and fair election that would allow all Florida Democrats to participate, whether serving in Iraq, retiring in Boca, studying abroad or entertaining at a theme park.

Another late great President -Abraham Lincoln, a Republican - said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

If Democrats heed this wisdom, we will win in November.

America needs a great president again, but a President McCain will settle for the status quo and carry on the disastrous Bush tradition.

President Clinton or President Obama will make history and lead this nation in a new direction.

Let's remember this as the delegate debate continues. We must stick together as Democrats. The stakes are too high and the opportunities too great.

I will keep you posted on any major developments. Thank you for your concern and your commitment.

Sincerely,

Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

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- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

the thread hogs are back!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 03/18/2008
- LeoMarvin I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin 35 fans permalink
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Florida, in a nutshell, is what's wrong with Democratic politics.

Screw Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 03/18/2008
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Screw censorship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 03/18/2008
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Tonight, I got a strong feeling that maybe someone doesn't like me. Everyone was having
a great conversation, while I was comment pending for the longest time. I thought that
after 10 months of posting here, I was a regular too. I really don't know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 AM on 03/18/2008

After looking through the constitution, I see that we have a procedure for admitting new states to the union.

Why can't we have one for kicking states out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 AM on 03/18/2008
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The phrase "Diminishing Returns" seems appropriate in so many ways.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 03/18/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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How so?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 03/18/2008
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Given enough time, it may become self-evident.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 03/18/2008
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I had a great aunt who had Alzheimers, it would take her a long time to respond when I'd say something to her. It became very discouraging and eventually, I had to accept that no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't have the conversation with her I used to have.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 03/18/2008
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Nochnoi, please come back. For one minute there, we were free.

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I know exactly what you mean

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 03/18/2008
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For all their graft and the resulting Bush dictatorship it has led too, Florida shouldn't have the right to vote , at all -- either now , or in the general elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 03/18/2008
- TomInJax I'm a Fan of TomInJax 21 fans permalink
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Very democratic of you. I'm a Floridian and just want to say that I voted in the primary - for Obama - and knew my vote probably wouldn't count. I don't think we should have a re-do. Give Billary the handful of delegates she won because in the long run it won't matter. And you can't blame all Floridians for what happened in 2000. I voted for Gore. The Republicans did this so put the blame where it belongs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 03/18/2008
- EvSmith I'm a Fan of EvSmith 7 fans permalink

We had a beauty contest primary here in WA and although it was an official state primary, it was totaly irrelevant to the Dem nomination delegate selection process. Kind of like the primary contests in FL and MI, Irrelevant.

All agreed beforehand that these primaries were non-sanctioned by the DLC and therefore the results would not be recognized by way of any delegates awarded to any of the candidates. The results of these primaries are not certifiable by the DNC and can't be awarded by revision of established DNC rules or any other means.

If these results were counted now, than the Barack Obama campaign would be forced to file a lawsuit that they be absolutely, guaranteed to win . If Hillary tried to bring a lawsuit from her standpoint she would certainly see it thrown out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 AM on 03/18/2008

EvSmith, you know no law, you're a dope. The courts have held political parties and their conventions are not regulated by any law. There was even a case on this a few months ago, reaffirming the precedents. Stick to your knitting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 AM on 03/18/2008

The question to ask yourself here is, if Hillary lost the Florida "primary", would she still be making this same argument? If the answer is, no she wouldn't (and it is the answer), you can't really accept her comments as the fair approach to resolve the FL situation. Obama would conceivably probably make the same argument if he was in her shoes. I'll ignore the fact that if he was in her shoes, he'd be at home and Hillary would be the presumptive nominee. But how seriously can you take someone who believes that they play under one set of rules when they are losing and a different set when they are winning. The rules were the rules before the game started. It's the same with the caucus system. It's undemocratic now? Was it undemocratic when Bill won? Was it undemocratic when she was the presumptive nominee? Has it been undemocratic throughout our history? Nope. Only conveniently when she is losing does the status quo become the big issue of the day. Well, newsflash, if it's an issue now, it should have been an issue for them before this entire process started.

If Obama wins and the loses to McCain, and she thinks she should have done better, she should have planned better, strategized better, fundraised smarter, etc. It's not the process that is losing this for her, it's her and her campaign. To place the blame anywhere else is shifting the blame and not taking responsibility for past failures. She had the same rule book the Obama campaign had when the campaign started and she was 20 points ahead. Let's just admit that, at least thus far, she's been out thought, out-worked and out-organized. That's really the only way you lose a 20 point lead with the last name of Clinton. It's also the only way you stay in a race after losing 11 states in a row. I don't blame her for that though. She's fought back, and although I don't like how she's done it, she should at least get some credit for still being in the game, just as Obama should get his props for beating the Clinton machine up to this point. Regardless of who you support, what he has achieved is no small feat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 03/18/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

Rstar:

And Obama shouldn't have lied so much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 03/18/2008
- JerryJef I'm a Fan of JerryJef 8 fans permalink

For Karen Thurman to argue FL Dems did EVERYTHING they could does not hold water. Nothing prevented them from holding a caucus except they didn't want to. The minute the governor signed the bill they could have scheduled a caucus on any date after Feb 4, but they didn't want to. So the FL Dems carry a share of guilt equal to the Republican legislature for this mess.

They have argued they HAD to go with the primary so as not to reduce voter turnout on the property tax referendum that was scheduled the same day. If FL voters are so dumb and lazy they will not turn out to vote on a tax question without a Democratic presidential primary to entice them, they deserve whatever they get. So this argument does hold water either.

They complain of schedule violations by Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. These states received waivers from the Rules Committee. These waivers were granted only because these states would not have had to ask for them but for the rule breaking actions by Florida and Michigan. Florida caused the actions of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

The Florida Democratic Party does not have a leg to stand on or a convincing argument to make. As a result the first act the Rules Committee should undertake at their April meeting is to deny a seat to ALL of Florida's PLEO delegates. Everyone of them. From Senator Bill Nelson on down.

As to the PEOPLE of Florida I have had much sympathy. But I am about to lose it. I am thoroughly disgusted with Florida citizens coming into blogs and whining: "The DNC and Howard Dean has disenfranchised us. If they don't let us go to their convention, we're gonna get mad and vote for John McCain. We'll show you, we'll vote REPBULICAN­." I don't back down from threats. To the citizens of Florida I say: If you want to be stupid and vote for McCain, go ahead and do it. Be as stupid as you want to be. Your problem is not with the DNC and Howard Dean. Your problem is with Karen Thurman and the rest of the Florida Democratic big wigs. They are the ones who betrayed you. Thurman, probably under the influence of Nelson, thought she had more stroke than she had. She has done everything but what she should have done and could have done since May 21, 2007. Thurman has been more interested in picking a fight with the National Party than in serving the Democrats of Florida.

Quite frankly I am willing to write Florida off as a permanently Republican state just like Texas. California and New York more than adequately offsets both. I have run several scenarios using the maps at 270towin.com in which the Democrat has won, and all of them had Florida voting Republican. In my view, Florida in not vital to a Democratic win.

Having let off that steam over the childishness of some commenters from Florida, I am certain some kind of accommodation will be made on behalf of the people of Florida. Some kind of delegation will be seated at the convention. And rightly so. But whatever arrangement is made you can bet nobody is going to like it, particularly the people of Florida. I have concluded they are the biggest bunch in inept crybabies in the Union.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 03/18/2008
- JerryJef I'm a Fan of JerryJef 8 fans permalink

For Karen Thurman to argue FL Dems did EVERYTHING they could does not hold water. Nothing prevented them from holding a caucus except they didn't want to. The minute the governor signed the bill they could have scheduled a caucus on any date after Feb 4, but they didn't want to. So the FL Dems carry a share of guilt equal to the Republican legislature for this mess.

They have argued they HAD to go with the primary so as not to reduce voter turnout on the property tax referendum that was scheduled the same day. If FL voters are so dumb and lazy they will not turn out to vote on a tax question without a Democratic presidential primary to entice them, they deserve whatever they get. So this argument does hold water either.

They complain of schedule violations by Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. These states received waivers from the Rules Committee. These waivers were granted only because these states would not have had to ask for them but for the rule breaking actions by Florida and Michigan. Florida caused the actions of Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina.

The Florida Democratic Party does not have a leg to stand on or a convincing argument to make. As a result the first act the Rules Committee should undertake at their April meeting is to deny a seat to ALL of Florida's PLEO delegates. Everyone of them. From Senator Bill Nelson on down.

As to the PEOPLE of Florida I have had much sympathy. But I am about to lose it. I am thoroughly disgusted with Florida citizens coming into blogs and whining: "The DNC and Howard Dean has disenfranchised us. If they don't let us go to their convention, we're gonna get mad and vote for John McCain. We'll show you, we'll vote REPBULICAN­." I don't back down from threats. To the citizens of Florida I say: If you want to be stupid and vote for McCain, go ahead and do it. Be as stupid as you want to be. Your problem is not with the DNC and Howard Dean. Your problem is with Karen Thurman and the rest of the Florida Democratic big wigs. They are the ones who betrayed you. Thurman, probably under the influence of Nelson, thought she had more stroke than she had. She has done everything but what she should have done and could have done since May 21, 2007. Thurman has been more interested in picking a fight with the National Party than in serving the Democrats of Florida.

Quite frankly I am willing to write Florida off as a permanently Republican state just like Texas. California and New York more than adequately offsets both. I have run several scenarios using the maps at 270towin.com in which the Democrat has won, and all of them had Florida voting Republican. In my view, Florida in not vital to a Democratic win.

Having let off that steam over the childishness of some commenters from Florida, I am certain some kind of accommodation will be made on behalf of the people of Florida. Some kind of delegation will be seated at the convention. And rightly so. But whatever arrangement is made you can bet nobody is going to like it, particularly the people of Florida. I have concluded they are the biggest bunch in inept cry babies in the Union.

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tr0ll is a banned word

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 03/18/2008
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Just got back from a stroll, how are you BGAE?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 03/18/2008
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fine thanks, and you? I replied to you on the other thread, but you had already left

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 03/18/2008
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Really.... hmmmmm....­..... time for cheezeburgr wid bakun languze...­... I know!!!! Faireeze..­.. are the word in Ireland for the... "word"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 03/18/2008
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Good evening BGAE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 03/18/2008
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Re-register as an Indpendent, and pick Bert in November!

Bert08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 03/18/2008
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thanks but no

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 03/18/2008
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Hume are you sill here dear?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 03/18/2008
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He is having a diatribe with himself...­. probably taking a while to type out... hehehe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 AM on 03/18/2008
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LOL

He's so damn cute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 03/18/2008
- Egghead I'm a Fan of Egghead 19 fans permalink

"Florida doesn't want to vote again?"

Are you kidding me?

That's not what I'm hearing. I'm hearing that Floridians really do want their votes to count. Since it isn't fair to count the votes as is, it seems much more fair to have a real primary--or caucus--or mail-in vote--or something. But I guess not, so they'll just have to be happy with a 50/50 split.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 03/18/2008
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It is not that they do not want to... It is that they can not figure out how to do it.... to much sun on the head perhaps...­....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 03/18/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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Florida - thy name is ill fated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 03/18/2008

Florida's response is expected. Now it is for DNC to forget about their complex(su­periority)­, and split the delegates as per the votes already cast. What if there was no campaign? In fact political campaign only distorts in stead of giving a true picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 03/18/2008

What kind of a "schoolmaster" are you, anyway??? What about people like me in Fl. who voted for Edwards?? Why should my vote not count if Swillery's supporters' votes do??? Obviously -you are not a civics teacher!! Don't the rules agreed by all count-or do YOU and SWILLERY make new rules after the fact???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 03/18/2008
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Distorts what? Who determines what a true picture is? Clinton had the name recognition on January 29, Obama did not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 03/18/2008
- RButler I'm a Fan of RButler 60 fans permalink

Didn't Obama just win Iowa and South Carolina? Wasn't that reported in the Florida media market? Sheesh. You make up stuff left and right. If Hillary's tax returns show she contributed to her church, y'all make something racist of out it just for fun. I don't know how but you guys are very creative. I'll give you that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 03/18/2008
- Jonny38103 I'm a Fan of Jonny38103 10 fans permalink

No campaigns? The last time I was there, Florida residents had TVs, radios, and computers. Have they been in a coma? No reference intended.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 03/18/2008
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