Florida Dems: We Will Not Revote

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First Posted: 03-17-08 05:47 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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The Florida Democrats have reached their decision. They will not be holding a revote for their primary, banking instead on the decision of the Rules & Bylaws Committee:

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input. Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again. So we won't. A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline. This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

Read the full memo:

Dear XXX,

For a year now, the Florida Democratic Party has tried to comply with the Delegate Selection Rules of the Democratic National Committee.

We researched every potential alternative process - from caucuses to county conventions to mail-in elections - but no plan could come anywhere close to being viable in Florida.

We made a detailed case to the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, but we were denied.

Our Democratic legislators in Tallahassee tried to set the Florida primary on Feb. 5, instead of Jan. 29, but of course, their proposed amendment to House Bill 537 was greeted with laughter and derision from the Republicans who control the state government <>.

Does '537' ring a bell? It should. It's the number of votes that separated Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore in Florida in 2000.

It's the number that sent this country and this world in a terrible direction.

We can't let 537 - or the Republicans - determine our future again.

President Bush plans to stop in Florida tomorrow to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Republican National Committee's efforts to elect his successor in November.

The last thing America needs is a third Bush term. Despite the widespread anxiety that working families feel, not to mention the broad agreement among economists that we are in a recession, President Bush and John McCain blindly believe that the economy is strong.

And let me remind you that John McCain endorsed President Bush's decision to deny health care to thousands of Florida children by vetoing an expansion of the successful SCHIP program. McCain also promises to jeopardize the financial security of Florida seniors by privatizing Social Security. He continually threatens to push Florida's military families to the brink by keeping American troops in Iraq for "100 years" or more.

This is why we are Democrats, and this is why we must stick together, no matter where this ongoing delegate debate takes us.

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input.

Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again.

So we won't.

A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline.

This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

When this committee stripped us of 100% of our delegates last year, some members summed up their reasoning by saying, "The rules are the rules." Unfortunately, the rules did not apply to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina when they, too, violated the DNC calendar by moving from their assigned dates.

As the late great Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "We must adjust our ideas to the facts of today... Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are."

The Florida Democratic Party has stuck to its principles throughout this debate. We've remained open-minded while never wavering from our commitment to an open and fair election that would allow all Florida Democrats to participate, whether serving in Iraq, retiring in Boca, studying abroad or entertaining at a theme park.

Another late great President -Abraham Lincoln, a Republican - said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

If Democrats heed this wisdom, we will win in November.

America needs a great president again, but a President McCain will settle for the status quo and carry on the disastrous Bush tradition.

President Clinton or President Obama will make history and lead this nation in a new direction.

Let's remember this as the delegate debate continues. We must stick together as Democrats. The stakes are too high and the opportunities too great.

I will keep you posted on any major developments. Thank you for your concern and your commitment.

Sincerely,

Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

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- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1680 fans permalink
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God

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 03/17/2008
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
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Did that go right through?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 03/17/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1680 fans permalink
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Yup! Here comes the second part

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 03/17/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1680 fans permalink
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Damn

(unrelated to my first post)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 03/17/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1680 fans permalink
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America.

(Unrelated to the first two. Completely independent. Promise)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 03/17/2008
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
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Drum roll please.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 03/17/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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LOL!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 03/17/2008

FIX THIS FURSHLUGGINER COMMENT SYSTEM!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 03/17/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

How many of those serving on the Rules & Bylaws Committee owe Bill and Hillary favors?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 03/17/2008

How about we just give the delegates to Hillary? That seems fair ;-0

How about we allow pigs to fly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 03/17/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 668 fans permalink
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I'm not very fond of pending comments, it isn't conducive to ebb and flow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 03/17/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1680 fans permalink
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Then I'll make yours non-pending. How's that? Now you can conduce.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 03/17/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 668 fans permalink
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I will get back to you, maybe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 03/17/2008
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
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I've gotten quite familiar with them as that's all anything I attempt to post does is PEND. Sigh. Please come back Huffy!?!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 03/17/2008
- Colonial82 I'm a Fan of Colonial82 2 fans permalink

For those who still believe the Clinton Administration was good for the country in the 1990s

The time of Bill Clinton Banking Deregulation in 1998-99 that is causing this collapse of our economy? Right that great economy that sold out the American people so banks could make more money and Citigroup could grow? it was so great to repeal the Glass-Stegall Act that was pass in the Great Depression to avoid another one and repeal it for bank interests in 1998? The same administration that enjoyed the Tech bubble?

Yes this is the Myth of the great Clinton economy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 03/17/2008
- sammy333 I'm a Fan of sammy333 4 fans permalink

There will be numerous other maneuvers from the Clinton camp. But now it is Kristol-clear that Obama is the only reasonable candidate, since Bill-the-smiling-murderer- Kristol himself stepped in to help Hillary with the NYT fabrication.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 03/17/2008
- rwferr I'm a Fan of rwferr 3 fans permalink

Only reasonable candidate? He is done. Finished. He could not win the general election no matter what. The only question now is whether the superdelegates break the news to him or grab the party and jump off a cliff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 03/17/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1680 fans permalink
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lol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 03/17/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 668 fans permalink
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McBomb is the only reasonable candidate, he should get a life term, how long might that be ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 03/17/2008
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Guess you're too young to recall what happened when the national party tried to take an election from the people in 1968. Do yourself a favor: Do a search on the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago and see what you find. If Clinton is relying on super delegates she might as well give it up now since they aren't going to give her enough votes to throw the candidacy in her direction. If they did vote for Clinton in spite of the committed delegate count and popular vote, it would be a disaster for the party. Obama will be the Democratic candidate and he'll do just fine against any Republican so don't panic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 03/17/2008
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He is the one great , inspirational candidate we have. Hillary is just an out -dated hack: a supporter of the war in Iraq and cheerleader for a possible war with Iran. She will not bring us closer to peace or together as a people.. We would see repeats of the anger and scandals of the Clinton years, with the name calling in both directions. Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, anyone? So instead of putting Obama down why don't you get behind him and help his cause.? He is superior in temperament, leadership and compassion to Hillary;.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 03/17/2008

You have already admitted that you have been against Obama from the start, why do you feel the need to come here and make an ass of yourself over and over?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 03/17/2008
- Marichu I'm a Fan of Marichu 16 fans permalink
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This is a Gordian Knot out of which there will be no happy outcome. This impasse allows for no winners -- not the voters, not the Democratic Party, not the candidates.
Though on second thought, there may be one group/individual that could benefit from this topsy-turvy upheaval.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 03/17/2008

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/17/poll.democrats/index.html

The above poll contradicts with the Rasmussen Reports poll that is out today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 03/17/2008
- ME08 I'm a Fan of ME08 7 fans permalink

Florida is not for Obama...great news...meanwhile, on to more important news:
David Patterson is so superior to Obama, and it showed in his witty, wonderful speech in Albany today...a maginificent man, and a wonderful family...I wish him the best, a man who dwarfs Obama in humility, class and style. Why couldn't we have someone like David as a candidate? Just so much better than Obama ever will be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 03/17/2008
- indie17 I'm a Fan of indie17 9 fans permalink

Agree that Patterson is great! But why are you comparing a Governor of NY to a Senator running for President? Oh that's right, they are both black! You think Ferraro was correct.

Here's a quote from your profile, ME08:

I agree...the Obamabots have adopted the "It's the Clinton's fault", "taint Spitzer with the Bill brush" crap. And you people whine when Gerri Ferraro points out the obvious? And worry about someone crossing the line? Let's put it another way: you sling mud, it's gonna come back at ya...many times over...but don't whine and bitch when it does. The Clintons are easy fodder for those who which to blame all ills on them...what a tired-worn proposition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 03/17/2008

Whether he is or he isn't, he's not running for president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 03/17/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 117 fans permalink
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Oh, yeah. The less we know about him, the better we like him.

But wait! Scandal lurks. Paterson also has a history of admiring radicals:

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/13/david_paterson_invokes_paul_robeson_harriet

or : http://snipurl.com/21zt6 [www_democracynow_org]

"David Paterson Invokes Paul Robeson, Harriet Tubman, Malcolm X in Remembrance of Jazz Legend Max Roach"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 03/17/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 117 fans permalink
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You want David as the candidate? Check this out:

"An unscripted politician (he has nonchalantly admitted to underpaying his taxes and, another time, that a claim in his official biography about where he was raised was incorrect), Mr. Paterson was given a leg-up for a State Senate seat by the Harlem Democratic machine in 1985 at the age of 31."

http://www.observer.com/2008/touchable-0

I've got nothing against Governor Paterson (he's quite humorous) but to unfavorably compare Obama to him based upon so little knowledge is silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 03/17/2008
- FullChat I'm a Fan of FullChat 5 fans permalink

If MI and FL play by the rules and don't count, then only 3,737 delegates will be seated, not 4050, so only 1869 are needed to clinch the nomination, not 2025.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 03/17/2008
- ME08 I'm a Fan of ME08 7 fans permalink

Sorry, not the rules...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 03/17/2008

If the DNC chooses to forget Florida....the DNC can forget the state in Florida. It WILL go to McCain easily.


Plain and simple. Argue the merits all you want but down here, we don't take too kindly to being disenfranchised due to republican party manuevering. Florida voters didn't have a say in this.


But we will in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 03/17/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 30 fans permalink

It was going to McCain anyway, Democrats have lost nothing without Florida. Look at your Govenor and your legislature, all republicans. So boo hoo, we don't need you FL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 03/17/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 117 fans permalink
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So to get back at the Republicans in the legislature, and the governor, Florida Democrats will vote Republican.

Go, figure.
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Vacation in beautiful Gulf Shores, Alabama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 03/17/2008
- rzan I'm a Fan of rzan 6 fans permalink

So, as I understand it, they will eithier not count Florida, or split the vote between Obama and Clinton, or just let Hillary have her way. There seems to be no way to please everybody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 03/17/2008

Let's just write off Florida. We can sell it to China. Hillary can retire there. Besides, if China owns Florida they can move the Olympics to Miami and it will be easier for everyone to breath.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 03/17/2008
- passport I'm a Fan of passport 2 fans permalink

I stopped waiting for Florida to turn blue. But a lot of it is at sea level. Maybe it'll turn blue when half of it is under water.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 03/17/2008
- Gilda I'm a Fan of Gilda 7 fans permalink
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I don't want Hillary in Florida, and the Chinese will kill all our dogs and cats,
and that is just mean!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 03/17/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 117 fans permalink
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Cuba can annex it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 03/17/2008
- lizr I'm a Fan of lizr 263 fans permalink
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OK- so is this just one more way Hillary can steal the election?

Who else is totally sick of FL F&*(& ing up our elections?

Secede FL, and give us all a break.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 03/17/2008

Are there ANY discussions where you don't have to wait HOURS for your responses and then you can't find them because there are so many other responses or they don't "approve" them?

I give up...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 03/17/2008

This one is working quickly for me...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 03/17/2008

It's working quickly for me also but the problem is you can't tell which discussions are going to take hours or not.

Anyway every vote should count so there should either be another primary in FL or MI or they need to figure something else out. This is not the way our country is supposed to be run - the Declaration of Independence was over 200 years ago so we should have figured this out by now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 03/17/2008
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The answer is, "No".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 03/17/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Well, I am pretty sure if you are pro-Hillary here, your posts never get approved. Mine never appear here half the time, and I think I know why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 03/17/2008
- pertello I'm a Fan of pertello 5 fans permalink

My only complaint is that sometimes the guys in charge here change the headlines so frequently I lose my posts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 03/17/2008
- marthlois I'm a Fan of marthlois 27 fans permalink

What can we do to demand that Hillary be deadlined on all of the material she has been asked for?
But in the meantime:
"Another Hillary SECRETHere's an update on the Peter Paul vs. Clintons lawsuit:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56868
DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. Go to www.lasuperiorcourt.org (Los Angeles Superior Court) and look in the CIVIL Column, then Click on CASE SUMMARIES then enter these numbers in the box BC304174. It is an active case and has been since January. Sen. Clinton he has not disclosed it. Even after bringing up Rezko and calling Sen. Obama "Ken Starr". I think, before we go any further, she needs to disclose this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 03/17/2008
- Nommo I'm a Fan of Nommo 94 fans permalink
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Wow, thanx for this. Just another criminal escapade for Billo and Hil-lie. Lying, murderous thieves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 03/17/2008

Well John Kerry was never deadlined for his military records.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 03/17/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 117 fans permalink
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Paul's attorneys want an October trial date. I suggest July. Actually, set it in May, so that Hillary can do her discovery, ask for and get one continuance, and then litigate in July.

The witness list! Cher! Brad! Barbra! Travolta! Chelsea! Will Joan Rivers cover the red carpet?

Maybe Travolta can help settle this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 03/17/2008
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