Florida Dems: We Will Not Revote

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First Posted: 03-17-08 05:47 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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The Florida Democrats have reached their decision. They will not be holding a revote for their primary, banking instead on the decision of the Rules & Bylaws Committee:

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input. Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again. So we won't. A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline. This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

Read the full memo:

Dear XXX,

For a year now, the Florida Democratic Party has tried to comply with the Delegate Selection Rules of the Democratic National Committee.

We researched every potential alternative process - from caucuses to county conventions to mail-in elections - but no plan could come anywhere close to being viable in Florida.

We made a detailed case to the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, but we were denied.

Our Democratic legislators in Tallahassee tried to set the Florida primary on Feb. 5, instead of Jan. 29, but of course, their proposed amendment to House Bill 537 was greeted with laughter and derision from the Republicans who control the state government <>.

Does '537' ring a bell? It should. It's the number of votes that separated Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore in Florida in 2000.

It's the number that sent this country and this world in a terrible direction.

We can't let 537 - or the Republicans - determine our future again.

President Bush plans to stop in Florida tomorrow to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Republican National Committee's efforts to elect his successor in November.

The last thing America needs is a third Bush term. Despite the widespread anxiety that working families feel, not to mention the broad agreement among economists that we are in a recession, President Bush and John McCain blindly believe that the economy is strong.

And let me remind you that John McCain endorsed President Bush's decision to deny health care to thousands of Florida children by vetoing an expansion of the successful SCHIP program. McCain also promises to jeopardize the financial security of Florida seniors by privatizing Social Security. He continually threatens to push Florida's military families to the brink by keeping American troops in Iraq for "100 years" or more.

This is why we are Democrats, and this is why we must stick together, no matter where this ongoing delegate debate takes us.

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input.

Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again.

So we won't.

A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline.

This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

When this committee stripped us of 100% of our delegates last year, some members summed up their reasoning by saying, "The rules are the rules." Unfortunately, the rules did not apply to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina when they, too, violated the DNC calendar by moving from their assigned dates.

As the late great Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "We must adjust our ideas to the facts of today... Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are."

The Florida Democratic Party has stuck to its principles throughout this debate. We've remained open-minded while never wavering from our commitment to an open and fair election that would allow all Florida Democrats to participate, whether serving in Iraq, retiring in Boca, studying abroad or entertaining at a theme park.

Another late great President -Abraham Lincoln, a Republican - said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

If Democrats heed this wisdom, we will win in November.

America needs a great president again, but a President McCain will settle for the status quo and carry on the disastrous Bush tradition.

President Clinton or President Obama will make history and lead this nation in a new direction.

Let's remember this as the delegate debate continues. We must stick together as Democrats. The stakes are too high and the opportunities too great.

I will keep you posted on any major developments. Thank you for your concern and your commitment.

Sincerely,

Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

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I'd really like to know when Hillary will stop if there is no vote in FL she doesn't have a chance to make up the popular vote now without FL which was really her only argument...

OBAMA HAS A 750,000 vote lead in the popular vote there is no way she can do that without FL, and there is no way they will get seated at the convetion, and there is no way that the super delegates will allow this to go that long... she really should just drop out now, there is no concieveable way for her to catch up in either delegates or popular vote.

since 2/10 she netted 20 super's
Obama in that same time 111 super's

after all is said and done she will need to get nearly 80% of remaining Super delegates
Obama will need less than 40% of the remaining ones

This baby was over since WI, her hope of FL and MI counting as standed was ludicrous to begin with but now that FL is gone forget it, its done. If she trys to take this to the convention the party should kick her out. not that it matters through my conservative estimates for Obama he's only gonna need to gain a lil over 100 super delegates, thats with a huge loss in PA and IN in my numbers... PA will be closer than 20 points and In I think he can win (i had it as a 5 pt win for Clinton)

This baby is done like it or not Hillary supporters you need to come to reality and explain exactly how she is to win this thing. cause i can't find a way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 03/17/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Florida is not going to vote again because they can't figure out how....

However.... we are in Michigan... or at least it is looking really good now.... : ) We know how to vote here....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 03/17/2008
- globality I'm a Fan of globality 23 fans permalink

I am an Obama supporter and this does help him, but I think it sucks for Florida voters. My vote should not count more than theirs. They did not have a say in moving the dates. I am sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 03/17/2008

Obama Camp should agree to have the delegates seated according to the January vote. He gets the Nom anyway, and he gets to claim moral high ground on avoiding disenfranchised voters. He also earns the good will of florida voters for the general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 03/17/2008
- mawrm I'm a Fan of mawrm 24 fans permalink

Actually, I think that's what's going to happen. But it would be premature for him to do that now lest he be seen as "arrogant". A smart move for Obama would be to run down the clock and rack up as many wins as possible. Then when he's comfortably safe, he can just leave it to the DNC, let them make the "diplomatic" decision to seat the Florida delegates as is, but it doesn't change the outcome.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 PM on 03/17/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 116 fans permalink
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Obama will probably agree to this if his nomination is secure. It is too early to commit now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 03/18/2008
- Plank I'm a Fan of Plank 5 fans permalink

So, the Floridan democrates, who endorsed Hillary, are helping to steal the election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 03/17/2008
- TN I'm a Fan of TN 28 fans permalink

Whats the problem, everyone in florida that voted did so, up front, knowing their votes did not count. Now its a big issue after Texas and Ohio. Nothing has changed, they do not count, same as before. Don't act all disenfrachised now - it's your states fault - vote the bums out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 PM on 03/17/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 116 fans permalink
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Of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 03/18/2008
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 154 fans permalink
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"Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option."

lolllll....now that is different. It is an accepted fact that, right or wrong, today's Republicans don't hesitate to attack Democrats, but they're usually far more discrete when they attack Democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 03/17/2008

Elton John A solo concert One Night Only in support of Hillary Clinton for President with Senator Hillary Clinton and President Bill Clinton Wed. April 09 ,2008 at Radio City Music Hall
Tickets range from $125 and $250 Also tickets for $500, $1000 and $2300
Tickets go on sale march 19 @ 9 a.m EDT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 03/17/2008

There is an opportunity for some oblique insight. No way do I trust Elton's political judgement, not surprised he supports Hill. Madman Across the Water? In my all time top five.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 03/17/2008
- globality I'm a Fan of globality 23 fans permalink

He is an English citizen and can not do the concert for free. He must charge his usual rate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 03/17/2008
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No one see's the irony in a Brit raising money for an election....THUD....the sound of our founding fathers collectively rolling over in their graves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 03/17/2008

I think we've been awash in a sea of irony for about 7 years, give or take. So having an administration official pronounce that the constitution is just a piece of paper hasn't dulled your senses for irony?

heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 03/17/2008

I thought the same thing and was reminded of last week's fundraiser in London for McCain (presumably...hopefully at least... for Americans living abroad).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 03/17/2008
- ann1 I'm a Fan of ann1 12 fans permalink

How insulting nazirmo, when Americans are losing jobs, their homes and savings. Not to mention gas and food are at an all time high. What happened to the 140 mil she blew. Why are people still giving to a campaign that has misused funds???????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 03/17/2008

I hope he sings "Candle in the Wind."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 03/17/2008

For those of you that keep saying rules are rules, then why shouldn't Obama be disqualified for running ads in Florida in violation of the agreement that there would be no campaigning there? I don't care if the ads were part of a national buy, as fare as I am concerned television ads are campaigning and he violated the rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 03/17/2008

NO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 03/17/2008

Some times, you just gotta tell 'em straight up: NO

heh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 03/17/2008

Obama's "FL ADs" were on tv on cable he wasn't targeting FL how is he supposed to control what get aired where, and it not like a channel can change it so that station doesn't play it in just FL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 03/17/2008
- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

The DNC gave the official ruling, it did NOT !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 03/17/2008
- indie17 I'm a Fan of indie17 9 fans permalink

Hillary campaigned in Floriday.

Fact: From the Washington Post, January 30th:

Clinton announced plans for the Florida celebration on Sunday [January 27th, before the Florida primary, the same day she held a trio of fundraisers in Florida and accepted the endorsement of
the Miami mayor while pressing some flesh for the cameras. On Monday, her campaign claimed the endorsement of Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida, while pro-Clinton unions continued sending out mailings in her support.

All of this sounded suspiciously like campaigning. But aides said they were merely trying to protect the people of Florida who, despite the campaign's "scrupulous" refusal to campaign in the state, showed up to vote for Clinton anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 03/17/2008
- EvSmith I'm a Fan of EvSmith 7 fans permalink

Than it's 50/50. The results of the January 29th primary can not be used to distribute the delegates to the two remaining candidates. Rules are rules, and 50 /50 is the only principled way to accomodate Florida and still honor the rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 03/17/2008

Well that sucks.

I'll put it out there, I support Obama, but I really wish that this could have been resolved through another vote. The delegates from Florida and Michigan should really be counted one way or another, not because I think that Dems in these states will cry about it and let McCain win the state, because while everyone assumes that will happen Dems are much more stalwart then they are given credit for, but because its the right thing to do.

This leads to the inevitable problem of what now?

I don't like the 50/50 proposition because that's as stupid as not seating them at all, it still says, hey, your vote, yeah, didn't count for anything.

I don't like seating them as is because then it seems when push comes to shove the DNC will cave on its rules, thus leading to more states moving forward in future primaries.

I know the whole, they made their own bed line, but really, shouldn't we all be trying to make sure that the voters in these two states get their say, regardless of political machinations. Am I the only one that thinks instead of arguing over this we should collectively be trying to figure something out. And maybe there is no good and fair solution, but shouldn't we at least be trying. I mean if anything was going to disenfranchise voters more than their votes not getting counted it would be the way they are being made into a political punching bag by the two sides.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 03/17/2008
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The Clintons have many arguments on why it should be Hillary

but their best spun one was that Obama is no different than her.

Her big spin is that Obama wouldn't stop the oil wars, EITHER!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 03/17/2008

The Clintons spin so hard because they are hoping to create their own gravity to 'draw' voters !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 03/17/2008

Only one thing to do now. Hillary MUST CONCEDE NOW !!!!!!

There is no way Hillary Clinton can win now, without some secret back room deals with super delegates. And that will cause another 1968 riot in Chicago, or another Bush stealing against Gore.

Barack Obama has almost 160 higher pledged delegate count, has a higher popular vote, has won twice as many states. There is just now way Hillary can overcome all three of those, she would have to win the next 10 states at like 70%, which is almost impossible for either of them to do.

At the end of the day if Hillary will still end up losing in June or August, she will lose, so why not be the better person, and just concede now and start the fight aganist the Republicans, and stop burning money away attacking each other. We need to bind together and be one team. I am sorry Hillary, this is not your year, it is Obama time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 03/17/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 116 fans permalink
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I must point out that the 1968 riots were investigated and it was determined that it was a "police riot." It was not the students, SDS, Yippies, etc., it was Mayor Daley's cops who perpetrated the violence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 03/18/2008
- DavidK08 I'm a Fan of DavidK08 8 fans permalink

Don't worry FL. Your vote wouldn't count if you voted 100 times.

HRC is trying to over ride the vote anyways by wooing the supers. So, vote or don't, count or not, HRC's plan is to over turn the vote anyway. You don't count just like we don't count/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 03/17/2008
- ched I'm a Fan of ched 11 fans permalink
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This is exactly what Hillary wanted. This way, she and her financiers can continue to pressure and lobby the DNC to seat the Jan. 28 delegates as is, despite the fact that only a fraction of the possible voters actually went to the polls. Time is not on Hillary's side, but look for her to cite the April meeting date as the latest deadline for things to turn around, moving the goal posts yet again.

Pathetic, really. It would be sad if it weren't so destructive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 03/17/2008

Maybe I missed something, but I thought there was a record turnout in the Florida primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 03/17/2008

Apparently they did. Too bad it was not a legitimate primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 03/17/2008

due to the property tax initiative that affected every homeowner and commercial real estate owner in the state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 03/17/2008
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We had a legit election where all candidates were on the ballot but none campaigned locally. I voted. I want my vote to count. In addition to voting for my candidate I also had the opportunity to vote out paperless ballots.
We don't need a re election in Florida. And yes, it was a record turnout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 03/17/2008

A record that still makes them one of five states with more GOP voters than Dems. Can you guess why? Hundreds of thousand more Dems stayed home, knowing their vote would not count or unengaged because there had been no campaigning.


For perspective, if no campaigning had taken place, Hiilary would likely have won states like Virginia, Wisconsin, Washington, Maine, Connecticut, South Carolina, etc. No rallies, no town hall meetings, no media scrutiny. When the voters got to know the people and their platforms, they choose Barack overwhelmingly. If the above states had voted on name recognition, with record turnout yet still lower than what actually showed up, it would appear that Hillary was the favorite. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 03/17/2008
- indie17 I'm a Fan of indie17 9 fans permalink

Yep. And it was due to that tax issue. Florida is one of the few states where more Republicans voted than Democrats. What does that tell you? Many Dems stayed home, knowing their vote did not count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 03/17/2008
- missjabez I'm a Fan of missjabez 18 fans permalink
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She has no reason to leave except she's trailing Obama and because she's damaging the party with her disgusting tactics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 03/17/2008
- ylpatriot I'm a Fan of ylpatriot 7 fans permalink

oh yeah ..... you are so wrong Obama is as militant as his 20 affiliation with Rev Wright ....you know Obama sing G--damn America... uh huh very very American

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 03/17/2008
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