Florida Dems: We Will Not Revote

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First Posted: 03-17-08 05:47 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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The Florida Democrats have reached their decision. They will not be holding a revote for their primary, banking instead on the decision of the Rules & Bylaws Committee:

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input. Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again. So we won't. A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline. This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

Read the full memo:

Dear XXX,

For a year now, the Florida Democratic Party has tried to comply with the Delegate Selection Rules of the Democratic National Committee.

We researched every potential alternative process - from caucuses to county conventions to mail-in elections - but no plan could come anywhere close to being viable in Florida.

We made a detailed case to the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, but we were denied.

Our Democratic legislators in Tallahassee tried to set the Florida primary on Feb. 5, instead of Jan. 29, but of course, their proposed amendment to House Bill 537 was greeted with laughter and derision from the Republicans who control the state government <>.

Does '537' ring a bell? It should. It's the number of votes that separated Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore in Florida in 2000.

It's the number that sent this country and this world in a terrible direction.

We can't let 537 - or the Republicans - determine our future again.

President Bush plans to stop in Florida tomorrow to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Republican National Committee's efforts to elect his successor in November.

The last thing America needs is a third Bush term. Despite the widespread anxiety that working families feel, not to mention the broad agreement among economists that we are in a recession, President Bush and John McCain blindly believe that the economy is strong.

And let me remind you that John McCain endorsed President Bush's decision to deny health care to thousands of Florida children by vetoing an expansion of the successful SCHIP program. McCain also promises to jeopardize the financial security of Florida seniors by privatizing Social Security. He continually threatens to push Florida's military families to the brink by keeping American troops in Iraq for "100 years" or more.

This is why we are Democrats, and this is why we must stick together, no matter where this ongoing delegate debate takes us.

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input.

Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again.

So we won't.

A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline.

This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

When this committee stripped us of 100% of our delegates last year, some members summed up their reasoning by saying, "The rules are the rules." Unfortunately, the rules did not apply to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina when they, too, violated the DNC calendar by moving from their assigned dates.

As the late great Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "We must adjust our ideas to the facts of today... Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are."

The Florida Democratic Party has stuck to its principles throughout this debate. We've remained open-minded while never wavering from our commitment to an open and fair election that would allow all Florida Democrats to participate, whether serving in Iraq, retiring in Boca, studying abroad or entertaining at a theme park.

Another late great President -Abraham Lincoln, a Republican - said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

If Democrats heed this wisdom, we will win in November.

America needs a great president again, but a President McCain will settle for the status quo and carry on the disastrous Bush tradition.

President Clinton or President Obama will make history and lead this nation in a new direction.

Let's remember this as the delegate debate continues. We must stick together as Democrats. The stakes are too high and the opportunities too great.

I will keep you posted on any major developments. Thank you for your concern and your commitment.

Sincerely,

Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

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Correct me if I am wrong....BUT...

Isn't control of the House and Senate and Governor of Florida ALL UNDER REPUBLICAN CONTROL???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 03/17/2008

You are correct. Are you attempting to make a point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 03/17/2008
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Yes I was...the RE-STUPID-LICAN PARTY HAVE FUCKED THIS COUNTRY AGAIN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 03/17/2008
- ylpatriot I'm a Fan of ylpatriot 7 fans permalink

Bingo !@!!! Unfortunately so .... all the $ Repubs come here to retire whew

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 03/17/2008

As a hillary supporter this is not bad. her argument maybe be popular votes. Now if Michigan does not vote , it may hurt. because unlike FL where barack was on the ballot , he was not in Michigan

so final argument may look like this

Popular vote ( includes florida vote numbers+ michigan re vote numbers... )= puts her on top ...( not delegates but popular vote...

screw what nancy ' can't get one damn thing done in congress' pelosi thinks ...

This is a super delegate battle now

Add to to that '''' POLITICS of race /american hate" , ala rev barack wright!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 03/17/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Have a look. Even with Florida and Michigan, Obama wins.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html


Not that it matters. It's delegates that count, and do you really think she could win based on the popular vote of a state that only had one candidate on the ballot?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 03/17/2008
- Pammy1151 I'm a Fan of Pammy1151 8 fans permalink
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She would not win Florida in November. I live here and it is Republican country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 03/17/2008
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That's why there was a difference of 500 votes between Gore and Bush...well at least the ones that got counted...Gore actually had MANY MANY MORE....but who's counting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 03/17/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 68 fans permalink
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Sorry Pammie, Florida WAS republican country. That will change this year. I also believe that Senator Clinton will be the Democratic candidate and will mop the floor with McCain the Insane.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 03/17/2008

You believe? LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 03/17/2008

bikerdude, if you think Hillary can win against McCain... If you think that even for a second, you haven't been paying attention. Barack has used discretion battling Hillary for the sake of the Democratic Party. He's left out many unsavory aspects of the Clintons during the course of his campaign. He's not hitting her anywhere near as hard as he should be. McCain will not be so lenient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 03/17/2008
- lincat I'm a Fan of lincat 2 fans permalink

So what does this mean? that Hillary will win the state unfairly?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 03/17/2008

It means that whatever solution is accepted, it will not include a legitimate primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 03/17/2008

CLINTON WON FLORIDA BY 300,000 VOTES OBAMA RAN TV ADS HERE HE IS A PHONEY 1.6MILLION PEOPLE VOTED IN THE DEMO PARTY PRIMARY FOR IT NOT TO COUNT IS CRIMINAL .IF OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE ,,MCAIN WILL WIN IN A LANDSLIDE,,,,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/17/2008

How is the Florida issue Obama's fault?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 03/17/2008

If you're so sure the Republicans will win against Obama in "a landslide", then why do you suppose all the Republicans are making a SERIOUS effort to make sure Hillary is the nominee? Think about that. And while you do, I'll wager a guess... They're afraid of Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 03/17/2008
- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

Obama purchased time for a national cable ad . The cable company told him they couldn't take the one in Florida off the air. He went to the DNC to ask if it violated the rules and got an official ruling, that it did NOT..Clinton supporters spread falsehoods about him running it. Check with the DNC and find out you aren't telling the truth to people on the internet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 03/17/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

No. It means Hillary will appeal to the DNC's Rules and ByLaws Committee, which I believe is convened in July (you can listen to Dean on NPR for the specifics.) It's up to them to decide whether or not to seat the delegates. However, as Dean has said, they're the ones who made the rules Florida broke, so it's very unlikely they'll let them get away with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 03/17/2008
- Triangle1 I'm a Fan of Triangle1 4 fans permalink
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Saying there's no re-vote doesn't necessarily mean the original vote won't count. I say take the original accurate count and add it to Hillary's column. Who are we to deny good tax-paying American voters in a fairly large state their right to vote?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 03/17/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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Please try to stay within the realm of reason and logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 03/17/2008
- mice I'm a Fan of mice permalink

The government should also deposit money from the taxpayers into my bank account. $10,000,000. Who are you to deny a good American to his right to pursue happiness?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 03/17/2008

Nobody has a "right" to vote in a primary.

Primaries and caucuses are activites of the party. The party could make any number of rules, all of which are perfectly legit.

Like FL cannot vote before Feb 5.

Or only registered Dems can vote.

Think I'm wrong? Then why, as a registered Dem in CA, am I not permitted to vote in the Rethug primary? Why do I not have a "RIGHT" to vote in that primary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 PM on 03/17/2008
- JoelNH I'm a Fan of JoelNH 5 fans permalink

You have to fight for your right to party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 03/17/2008

I totally agree, vall candidates were on the ballot and the people of Florida spoke. And for those of you that say rules are rules, then Obama should have been disqualified for running ads in Florida in spite of the ban on campaigning there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 03/17/2008

except he didnt run ads in florida. he ran national ad that played in north florida because that is where the market covered.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 03/17/2008
- arvada I'm a Fan of arvada 60 fans permalink
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they said it would not count,so it doe's not count.period

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 03/17/2008
- missjabez I'm a Fan of missjabez 18 fans permalink
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Sorry, Hillary. You''lll have to find another way to steal the election. I'm sure you'll come up with something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 03/17/2008

You should expect a deal where the delegation is seated with HRC getting what she got, Obama the other part, but all the delegates getting only half a vote.

A net gain for HRC of 19 delegates, and God, she needs them!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 03/17/2008
- phroso I'm a Fan of phroso 5 fans permalink

If it comes down to Obama's wishes vs the wishes of Florida voters, Obama will lose. And he should accept graciously when Florida is seated for the sake of the party and the general election. Let's see what he chooses to do at the convention--that is if he is still viable after Wrightgate and the upcoming primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 03/17/2008
- griffon2k I'm a Fan of griffon2k 2 fans permalink

It's not up to Obama, it's up to Howard Dean and the DNC and they've already said what to expect:

Either approach them with a re-vote plan that works within the set rules or accept that your delegates will not be seated.

All Dean and the DNC need to do now is keep their word.

This is not punishment of the Florida or Michigan voters, it's punishment of their state legislators and party leaders for playing a game of chicken with the votes of their people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 03/17/2008
- johnqeniac I'm a Fan of johnqeniac 6 fans permalink

Thank you, Clinton Concern Troll

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/17/2008
- pbfishtaco I'm a Fan of pbfishtaco 12 fans permalink
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Wrightgate? Obama has clearly denounced the horrendous things his pastor said.
Where do you draw the line on this? Extreme Rev. Hagee's endorsement of McBush is a non-story in the mainstream press--BUT The same press wants to keep the democratic infighting at the top of the news, giving Mc Bush a pass until who knows when!

Also, Is Hillary personally responsible for everything any supporter has publicly uttered? If this is the line of attack for the next few weeks we'll end up just bloodying up each other!

I think many Clinton supporters just don't get it. Obama is ahead in the delegate count, is gaining superdelegates, and will almost certainly win the nomination, unless this mess is intentionally dragged out until the convention. If it does, we severely harm OUR chances in the general election.

Do Clinton supporters want a pyrrhic victory? Or do we democrats want to win together? Likely HRC will continue on regardless, but can't we all just get along and get back to bashing the GOP? We have so much more material to work with! We harm ourselves with this!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 03/17/2008

Ah, I see Hillary got to you too. "Obama vs. Florida". Jesus, she could sell rollerskates to a man with no legs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 03/17/2008

Rules are rules, and Florida did not obey the rules. Rules are not made to be broken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 03/17/2008

Well, Darn! How can you steal the nomination now, Hillary??????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 03/17/2008
- mikey683 I'm a Fan of mikey683 3 fans permalink

Sounds like a lot of former high school hall monitors worried about "rules". If my vote weren't counted I'd stay home in november.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 03/17/2008

You knew your vote wouldn't count when you cast it, did you not? If your logic is sound, shouldn't you have stayed home then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 03/17/2008

bill kristol said obama was at the church during his pastors fiery sermon. later in the day he recanted the statement.
is there any question who the republicans want to run against?
only if you live in a hillary fantasy world where you offer the vp spot to the person who has an insurmountable delegate lead.
it looks like the clinton campaign is in some parallel universe where everything is the opposite of reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 03/17/2008
- mikey683 I'm a Fan of mikey683 3 fans permalink

If I were a Florida democrat, I'd stay home come november.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 03/17/2008
- HansB I'm a Fan of HansB 17 fans permalink

Why? Because the Republicans, knowing full well what they were doing, moved the primary date up to the point where the state would be stripped of its delegates? Want to reward them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 03/17/2008
- ddot I'm a Fan of ddot permalink

its not about staying home... DA it's about voting those idiots out of office... hopefully floridians are upset enough to make their voices heard and vote the people who decided they could break the rules and still decide to do what they want to out of office.

Only in america we can steal, cheat and lie and then get offended that we're getting punished... and we expect our kids to obey...hahaha

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 03/17/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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If I were a FLA Dem I would be moving hell and high water to get the State leaders who caused this problem out of office. (btw, they are Republicans)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 03/17/2008
- GBecker I'm a Fan of GBecker 3 fans permalink

I was just gonna say that, kellygrrrl! :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 03/17/2008

Floridians,


I feel for you and hope that you understand your emotions have been played by one Mrs. Clinton. Had she not bombastically began claiming that she won a state whose results she had agreed would carry no mathametic validity. Her assumption was that she would run virtually unchallenged and could avoid this issue in total. Upon falling behind in this competition, she decided to play the voters against the rules.


She understands taht had most states not had any campaigning an donly long time voters gone out to vote ,she sould have won most states by double digits. If Florida had been in the same boat as 48 others, you would have had the opportunity to judge her against not only Barack but the other Dems in the race. Voter turnout would have been higher and the results much closer.


Finally, even though it's not "fair" it is "right" that these delgetes not count. Those are the rules and to pervert them after the contest would be unfair to every Dem candidate athat ran and to the voters who chose not to participate or even pay attetnion, because they were assured that election would not count for anything. I hope that you understand your Legislature is the number one culprit in this and do not hold the DNC or the Dem nominee responsible come November. I also hope that you know Mrs. Clinton caluculatingly rubbed salt in this wound for her own political gain. It was not about you the voter but the delegates to which she agreed would not count. In the short term, you should express your frusration directly to her campaign, and let her know that is not the kind of leadership you would like to see from a Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 03/17/2008

Back when they first announced Florida and Michigan wouldn't count... Back when Hillary took them both... I turned to my wife and said "she's going to use this later". And she did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 03/17/2008

debbie wasserman schultz a florida representative and big hillary supporter has refused to endorse 3 dems that are running against 3 republican incumbents. her reason is she has a good relationship with the republican incumbents. is it any wonder why the dems always look like fools?
it is becoming increasingly difficult to tell the 2 partys apart

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 03/17/2008
- griffon2k I'm a Fan of griffon2k 2 fans permalink

At least that's done.

Now Dean and the DNC can do exactly what they should have held to at the start, welcome the delegates to attend the convention to be seated in ceremony only.

The Florida Dems and Republican legislature should be held accountable by their voters for playing chicken with the votes of their people and expecting the DNC to roll over and reward them for breaking the rules.

If Florida voters decide to blame the Democratic Nominee for the mistakes of their state party, the result will be no different than the last two times we've relied on Florida to deliver us the White House.

Hold firm DNC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 03/17/2008
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