Florida Dems: We Will Not Revote

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First Posted: 03-17-08 05:47 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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The Florida Democrats have reached their decision. They will not be holding a revote for their primary, banking instead on the decision of the Rules & Bylaws Committee:

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input. Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again. So we won't. A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline. This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

Read the full memo:

Dear XXX,

For a year now, the Florida Democratic Party has tried to comply with the Delegate Selection Rules of the Democratic National Committee.

We researched every potential alternative process - from caucuses to county conventions to mail-in elections - but no plan could come anywhere close to being viable in Florida.

We made a detailed case to the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, but we were denied.

Our Democratic legislators in Tallahassee tried to set the Florida primary on Feb. 5, instead of Jan. 29, but of course, their proposed amendment to House Bill 537 was greeted with laughter and derision from the Republicans who control the state government <>.

Does '537' ring a bell? It should. It's the number of votes that separated Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore in Florida in 2000.

It's the number that sent this country and this world in a terrible direction.

We can't let 537 - or the Republicans - determine our future again.

President Bush plans to stop in Florida tomorrow to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Republican National Committee's efforts to elect his successor in November.

The last thing America needs is a third Bush term. Despite the widespread anxiety that working families feel, not to mention the broad agreement among economists that we are in a recession, President Bush and John McCain blindly believe that the economy is strong.

And let me remind you that John McCain endorsed President Bush's decision to deny health care to thousands of Florida children by vetoing an expansion of the successful SCHIP program. McCain also promises to jeopardize the financial security of Florida seniors by privatizing Social Security. He continually threatens to push Florida's military families to the brink by keeping American troops in Iraq for "100 years" or more.

This is why we are Democrats, and this is why we must stick together, no matter where this ongoing delegate debate takes us.

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input.

Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again.

So we won't.

A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline.

This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

When this committee stripped us of 100% of our delegates last year, some members summed up their reasoning by saying, "The rules are the rules." Unfortunately, the rules did not apply to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina when they, too, violated the DNC calendar by moving from their assigned dates.

As the late great Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "We must adjust our ideas to the facts of today... Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are."

The Florida Democratic Party has stuck to its principles throughout this debate. We've remained open-minded while never wavering from our commitment to an open and fair election that would allow all Florida Democrats to participate, whether serving in Iraq, retiring in Boca, studying abroad or entertaining at a theme park.

Another late great President -Abraham Lincoln, a Republican - said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

If Democrats heed this wisdom, we will win in November.

America needs a great president again, but a President McCain will settle for the status quo and carry on the disastrous Bush tradition.

President Clinton or President Obama will make history and lead this nation in a new direction.

Let's remember this as the delegate debate continues. We must stick together as Democrats. The stakes are too high and the opportunities too great.

I will keep you posted on any major developments. Thank you for your concern and your commitment.

Sincerely,

Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

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- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 640 fans permalink
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The real concern seems to be what will happen with FLA in the GENERAL Election.

Are they going to be so mad at the Dem Party that they will go Republican?

They SHOULD be mad at their Rethug leaders who put them in this position.

I hope the FLA voters are clear about how they were set up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 03/17/2008

Given that Americans have attention spans measured in milliseconds, this (along with Rev. Wright) will all be forgotten in November and your average voter will be perplexed when asked if he/she is still angry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 03/17/2008
- LAJonathan I'm a Fan of LAJonathan 3 fans permalink

If the voters of Florida have an issue, they need to take it up with their own state. Its unfortunate, but they voted the people in who made the decision to go against the rules. I am glad this is over, so sick of hearing about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 03/17/2008

Hillary '08

Count every vote! NOT!

End the politics of racism and sexism! NOT!

Thought I'd maybe vote for O'bama, now, no way.

Note to Mr. Obama. White people are getting tired of your brand of race based politics. Birds of a feather flock together and your preacher is one hell of a bird.

(1) Clinton, (2) McCain, (3) Nader

Hillary '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 03/17/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 38 fans permalink

Where was Hillary's outrage over the situation in Florida BEFORE we started all these primaries and caucuses?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 03/17/2008

That was when she was the evitable Democratic candidate and the votes in Florida and Michigan didn't matter that much.

Once people actually started voting and she subsequently started losing, those states became important.

It is all about political calculation with Sen. Clinton. Much like her vote to authorize the Iraq invasion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 03/17/2008

Hillary is all about the politics of racism.

Gerry and Bill are her attack dogs on that subject.

The Clinton's wrote the book on playing the race card.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 03/17/2008
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I thought Bill Clinton's quote of..."Martin Luther King didn't march to see his people go to jail"...was pretty good

I guess he was just saying those things...so much for speaches...no matter what race you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 03/17/2008
- halyscomet I'm a Fan of halyscomet 7 fans permalink

How do you attribute Florida's choice to KNOWINGLY break the rules and the consequences of their decision to Obama?

Birds of a feather? Have you looked at the cases against the Clintons that remain pending?

Looks like you are hoping for a Victory by Theft...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 03/17/2008
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Yea...no kidding. Lets say that the vote went along "color" lines...at 12.4% of the population I guess you would have said case closed on Obama.

Think about your position Obama...it seems to be more and more raced based. Not good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 03/17/2008
- AxelDC I'm a Fan of AxelDC 78 fans permalink
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Hillary cheats and you call Obama the whiner?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 03/17/2008

yes the florida dems are idiots, but all the candidates agreed that florida would not count.
period.
the turnout was not big because of the presidential primary, it was big because there was a tax amendment that every homeowner in florida had a stake in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 03/17/2008
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The governor and leadership of Florida...are republicans.. Who controls the house and senate in Florida?

Republicans...there lies your problem...­republican control.

I guess you forgot that didn't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 03/17/2008

not at all, the florida dems made their bed now they have to lie in it.
oh well

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 03/17/2008
- ebbtide I'm a Fan of ebbtide 16 fans permalink

And Hillary had a great "victory" celebration in Florida, didn't she? LOL How shallow this woman and how destructive she is to the party, as if she could care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 03/17/2008

Finally, no FL revote. Hillary should drop out now, she can't catch Obama in the popular vote or the most pledge delegates. Sorry Hillary, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 03/17/2008
- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 65 fans permalink
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"When this committee stripped us of 100% of our delegates last year, some members summed up their reasoning by saying, "The rules are the rules." Unfortunately, the rules did not apply to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina when they, too, violated the DNC calendar by moving from their assigned dates."

That's a hoot! Those states changed because Florida and Michigain moved their dates us. Besides those states were specifically exempted from the general rule to hold no primaries before February.

Frankly if Florida voters want to know who to blame it should be the Republican legislators who first forced a primary date that broke the rules and they are not blockading a revote for no apparent reason than because they want to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 03/17/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

Florida voters should demand the immediate resignation of Howard Dean if their vote isn't counted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 03/17/2008
- bluesnot I'm a Fan of bluesnot 13 fans permalink

Karen Thurman should resign, not Dean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 03/17/2008

If Florida voters feel obligated to "demand" anything, they should have spoken up months ago when the decision was made. The only people making a fuss now are Hillary supporters. And they're hiding behind "every vote counts".

Your arguments now are nowhere near as powerful as they could have been pre-Super Duper Tuesday. Deal with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 03/17/2008
- AxelDC I'm a Fan of AxelDC 78 fans permalink
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The DNC had already allowed those four states to move up. They didn't want any big states to move up to overweight the calendar.

The Primary system is broken from top to bottom and needs a full overhaul. That doesn't excuse Florida and Michigan for violating the rules, and they were duly warned.

It certainly doesn't excuse Clinton, who publicly supported the decision until she realized that she was losing this race.

The irony is that if they had held their Primaries later, they would have gotten 30% more delegates and would have an enormous voice in the process, like Pennsylvania and North Carolina.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 03/17/2008

Those four states were deliberately set first, it was no accident.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 03/17/2008

Actually, a DEMOCRAT helped sponsor the *#@! bill in the FL legislature. I wish I'd caught his name, but in the Tampa TV interview, he stated the Democrats in Florida were tired of being shoved aside for Iowa and New Hampshire.

You play with fire, you get burnt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 03/17/2008

i dont remember his name either but he was out of tampa

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 03/17/2008

As you say, they were exempted, so what is your pint?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/17/2008

Florida broke the rules, plain and simple. They conducted a contest outside the sanctioned calendar. Had they held their primary in Aug of '07, there would be no discussion of seating those delegates.

If Florida decides that it does not want to have a primary in the sanctioned calendar, then why should Florida be sending a delegation to the convention?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 03/17/2008

that is correct sir.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 03/17/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

How much comfort will that be in November when Florida and MI are being called for McCain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 03/17/2008

Because a Republican Governor and Republican­-controlle­d legislature chose to do so. The Florida Democratic Party had no choice. So much for your argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 03/17/2008

My argument stands. The party could have taken action, but it rolled over and accepted this nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 03/17/2008
- halyscomet I'm a Fan of halyscomet 7 fans permalink

There is no doubt that Florida and Michigan derserve representation of some sort. Since it is a virtual certainty that little would change with regard to the Candidates' standings had millions of dollars been spent, agreement on how to apportion the delegates, in Florida's case, remains the only available option.

Moreover, given the very poor perception of Florida's ability to manage a revote effectively, it is easy to imagine the challenges that would arise with even a slight stumble, which would have inevitably occurred.

We would have all been worse off...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 PM on 03/17/2008
- MichelleB I'm a Fan of MichelleB 7 fans permalink

A rule is a rule, Hillary, live with it. Now, get out of the way so that Obama can begin to focus on the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 03/17/2008
- neocon43 I'm a Fan of neocon43 29 fans permalink

Please bring him on a platter for the fileting.He is dead on arrival!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 03/17/2008
- anthonylee I'm a Fan of anthonylee 4 fans permalink
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neocon43,

What a horrible thing to say about McCain!?!? . . . . chalk it up to "bad home training" . . . . didn't your mother tell you to always respect your elders?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/17/2008
- BrianZ I'm a Fan of BrianZ 3 fans permalink

Has Obama hit 2025 delegates since the last primary? Did I miss something? Yea I didn't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 03/17/2008
- NC4Obama I'm a Fan of NC4Obama 16 fans permalink

Hillary the new Huckabee? sounds like it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 03/17/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

Obama is finished. Run him against the Republicans (which is what they've clamored for all along) and the Repubs win the election again.

Go Hillary. Stick together Democrats. Don't let the Repubs steal another election!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 03/17/2008
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Hillary Rodham Clinton 857,208 49.7%
Barack Obama 569,041 33.0
John Edwards 248,604 14.4

Looks like Obama loses in Florida. He got 33% of the vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 03/17/2008

no winner or loser, it didnt count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 03/17/2008

I've explained this before, but perhaps you missed it. There was a big turnout in FL for the primary by homeowners, as they were voting on a state constitutional amendment to reduce property taxes.

Many of those not owning homes, which includes a lot of younger voters and minorities, did not go to the primary to vote for Obama because they believed the DNC when they said the vote didn't count.

If those Obama supporters had known that Hillary Clinton would now be trying to get that primary counted, I am positive the vote count would have been different and Obama would have received a larger number of votes.

If the Florida primary is accepted and the delegates seated, that is punishing all of the Democrats in Florida that believed what the DNC told them.

How is that fair????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 03/17/2008
- HansB I'm a Fan of HansB 17 fans permalink

He wasn't allowed to campaign there and many people didn't know who he was. Of course Hillary won. It's called name recognition.

How can you count votes if there is no campaigning? The most well-known candidate will always win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 03/17/2008
- Pammy1151 I'm a Fan of Pammy1151 8 fans permalink
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They didn't even campaign here in Florida so that is not a fair accounting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 03/17/2008
- AC500 I'm a Fan of AC500 5 fans permalink


How heartening to see that Florida will play by the rules even though Hillary Clinton would not. The Super Delegates need to cast their votes NOW and usher Hillary out of the race. She lost ... She's a year and twenty-some states as well as a hundred and some pledged delegates too late to think she can waltz in, overturn Rules and walk away with the nomination. The Super Delegates must act now so the party can unite around Barack Obama and the November election can be won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 03/17/2008
- cincigal I'm a Fan of cincigal 3 fans permalink

He will only agree if they give him the delegates which belong to Hillary.Never happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 03/17/2008
- anthonylee I'm a Fan of anthonylee 4 fans permalink
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". . . . delegates which belong to Hillary"?!?!?

What part of there was no sanctioned contest in FL for Hillary and Barack to obtain delegates" don't you get? (NO "OWNED" DELEGATES IN FL!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 03/17/2008

As I understand it, Hillary held "fund raisers" in Florida before the primary, that is, there were events starring Hillary, but it wasn't called campaigning. The other candidates did not appear in Florida because they were abiding by the rules. Doesn't that add some more grist for this convoluted mill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 03/17/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

Actually, Obama appeared in Florida for fundraisers just as often PLUS he ran 1.5 million dollars worth of campaign ads in Florida

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 03/17/2008

actually he did not. also clinton was here in florida for 3 days leading up to the primary having huge "fundraisers"
dont post bs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 03/17/2008

No, he ran $1.5 million dollars worth of ads in a NATIONAL ad campaign, whose affiliates included broadcasters in Florida. He neither knew about, nor had any control over, the ads that were shown in Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 03/17/2008

Obama ran a national ad package that week that played in Florida. He also purportedly gave an interview Monday morning before the vote that was televised on the local news. Hillary did hold fundraisers (as did Obama) that weekend, which neither broke the rules by doing so, and she stopped in that Tuesday night to 'congratulate' the voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 03/17/2008

obama helod no fundraisers in florida on the weekend befor the primary. his ads were national purchases and you can not pick and choose where they run or dont run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 03/17/2008

"Hillary did hold fundraisers (as did Obama" that weekend".

Link, please? Come on, you people will believe anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 03/17/2008
- Mazza I'm a Fan of Mazza 3 fans permalink
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Well, neither the DNC nor Dean have managed to cover themselves with glory over this issue. Any solution was bound to leave scars with various constituencies. One can't help feeling though, that rules are rules and the Floridian delegates should not be seated. Dean has appeared a little weak and indecisive in even allowing debate to progress on a possible "solution" to the Florida and Michigan problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 03/17/2008

DNC is preaching UNITY. Yet here they are driving a wedge between Obama and Hillary supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 03/17/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

Fire Dean and anyone else with the DNC who wants to cheat Floridians out of their vote. It's that easy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 03/17/2008
- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 43 fans permalink
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Fire Thurman and all the super delegates. Dean is just standing up to Hillary and her toadies like Thurman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 03/17/2008

Great - now Floridians can concentrate on electing a better state legislature next time. From 2000 to today, the other 49 states cringed anytime that Florida has an important decision with national impact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 03/17/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 03/17/2008
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