Florida Dems: We Will Not Revote

Florida Dems: We Will Not Revote

Huffington Post   |   March 17, 2008 05:47 PM


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The Florida Democrats have reached their decision. They will not be holding a revote for their primary, banking instead on the decision of the Rules & Bylaws Committee:

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input. Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again. So we won't. A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline. This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

Read the full memo:

Dear XXX,

For a year now, the Florida Democratic Party has tried to comply with the Delegate Selection Rules of the Democratic National Committee.

We researched every potential alternative process - from caucuses to county conventions to mail-in elections - but no plan could come anywhere close to being viable in Florida.

We made a detailed case to the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, but we were denied.

Our Democratic legislators in Tallahassee tried to set the Florida primary on Feb. 5, instead of Jan. 29, but of course, their proposed amendment to House Bill 537 was greeted with laughter and derision from the Republicans who control the state government <>.

Does '537' ring a bell? It should. It's the number of votes that separated Texas Gov. George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore in Florida in 2000.

It's the number that sent this country and this world in a terrible direction.

We can't let 537 - or the Republicans - determine our future again.

President Bush plans to stop in Florida tomorrow to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for the Republican National Committee's efforts to elect his successor in November.

The last thing America needs is a third Bush term. Despite the widespread anxiety that working families feel, not to mention the broad agreement among economists that we are in a recession, President Bush and John McCain blindly believe that the economy is strong.

And let me remind you that John McCain endorsed President Bush's decision to deny health care to thousands of Florida children by vetoing an expansion of the successful SCHIP program. McCain also promises to jeopardize the financial security of Florida seniors by privatizing Social Security. He continually threatens to push Florida's military families to the brink by keeping American troops in Iraq for "100 years" or more.

This is why we are Democrats, and this is why we must stick together, no matter where this ongoing delegate debate takes us.

Last week, the Florida Democratic Party laid out the only existing way that we can comply with DNC Rules - a statewide revote run by the Party - and asked for input.

Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again.

So we won't.

A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline.

This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April.

When this committee stripped us of 100% of our delegates last year, some members summed up their reasoning by saying, "The rules are the rules." Unfortunately, the rules did not apply to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina when they, too, violated the DNC calendar by moving from their assigned dates.

As the late great Democratic President Franklin D. Roosevelt once said, "We must adjust our ideas to the facts of today... Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are."

The Florida Democratic Party has stuck to its principles throughout this debate. We've remained open-minded while never wavering from our commitment to an open and fair election that would allow all Florida Democrats to participate, whether serving in Iraq, retiring in Boca, studying abroad or entertaining at a theme park.

Another late great President -Abraham Lincoln, a Republican - said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

If Democrats heed this wisdom, we will win in November.

America needs a great president again, but a President McCain will settle for the status quo and carry on the disastrous Bush tradition.

President Clinton or President Obama will make history and lead this nation in a new direction.

Let's remember this as the delegate debate continues. We must stick together as Democrats. The stakes are too high and the opportunities too great.

I will keep you posted on any major developments. Thank you for your concern and your commitment.

Sincerely,

Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

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For months now all the news organizations have done everything in their power to slime Hillary well giving Obama a free ride. Even Fox news didn’t report any negatives on Obama, this is really usual for Fox. As soon as Obama passed Hillary in delegates and could not be caught, Fox news started reporting negatively on Obama. The media on both sides of the aisles has played a huge roll in defusing the momentum of both democratic candidates, their attacks on Hillary early, helped to make her unlikable and now they have effectively neutralized Obama by dividing us on race. Looks like Rove outsmarted the far left media again, while effectively using the far right media, remember Rove works for Fox news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 03/18/2008
- Zhonni I'm a Fan of Zhonni 15 fans permalink
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WHAT IN THE WORLD IS WRONG WITH PUNDITS WHO WON'T DO ANY RESEARCH?

They keep talking about the 20years Obama has been in the Church. Is it not clear to any thinking person that the pastor said most of the controversial stuff after Obama started running for President and was not a regular attendee if at all as he campaigned all over America.

The only speech he might have caught wind of is the 9-11 talk that Pastor Wright believes that 9-11 happened because of US actions overseas. Even Ron Paul had that view so what is so unique about his view?

How about the the GOD D*** America Church talk? He said GOD D**** America IF America won't stop treating some of it's citizens like SECOND CLASS. I am not saying he should not have said it differently but he was not preaching hate at all. He actually said that JESUS thought him not to HATE after the Hillary speak but nobody plays that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 03/18/2008
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Don't shoot yourself in the foot, and throw your votes to republicans. If the votes are never counted its because of the republicans they ran the state elections, they moved the primary’s voting date up, knowing that it was against the rules. It was also against the republicans party’s rules, yet all of the republican nominees campaigned there, almost, as if, they knewwwww hmmmmm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 03/18/2008
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Don't shoot yourself in the foot, and throw your votes to republicans. If the votes are never counted its because the republicans ran the state elections, they moved the primary’s voting date up, knowing that it was against the rules. It was also against the republicans party’s rules, yet all of the republican nominees campaigned there almost as if they knew their party’s votes would count hmmmmm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 03/18/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

No kidding. and how come the media hardly mentions that the Republicans deliberately created this mess? And I still don't get why Howard Dean... and Madame - hypocrite friend Brazile... don't just do the only logical thing and honor Florida's vote. It was an even playing field... where Obama even ran ads... so the vote obviously has to stand.. It's not rocket science. And redo Michigan.. end of problem. I do think fraud charges should be given to the Republican Governor and legislature - for deliberately organizing the removal of Democrat Floridians right to have their votes counted in this primary! That also isn't rocket science.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 03/18/2008
- musselmanm I'm a Fan of musselmanm 21 fans permalink
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We need actual leaders to step forward. The people we have established as leaders are afraid to take a stand on anything. We are a nation of people afraid to step forward and lead. Howard Dean has no business being in a position which requires leadership. He showed that when he ruined his chance to be president. For once the Democrats that voted made a wise decision by pushing him our of the race.
Mr Dean should step forward and delegate the convention delegates to the split of the nations vot in the primary elections of the states. He is the supposed leader of the Democratic party. Lead Damnit!
Remember, follow the leader will get all of America, more rule by declaration not by democracy, as we have had for 7 years. Do not play follow the leader for more Bush misadventure through McBush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 03/18/2008

Thanks Howard Dean! If they are not counted, you can be assured this state goes red in the General Election. With the history of Florida, why did you ever make this type of hard-nosed decision? Count the votes and seat the delegates! We want to WIN the General Election. And all Dems have had enough of Iowa first! We need Primaries in large states first, as they have diverse populations. Florida and Michigan were correct.

Additionally, the latest USA today poll has Clinton beating Obama in the Democrat race, and most important Clinton beating McCain in the General Election 51% to 46%. That is a large margin. Much larger than Obama! So it is time to quit this nonsense and get a Democrat in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 03/18/2008

Everyone was on the Florida ballot. No one campaigned. People voted. It was fair. Count their votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 03/18/2008
- Colonial82 I'm a Fan of Colonial82 2 fans permalink

Not everyone voted, why is it only one of a couple that had LESS votes than Republicans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 03/18/2008
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 82 fans permalink
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Why will lack of a Democratic primary mean Florida will remain a Red state? My argument about counting Florida is it was the Republican legislature that made the decision on the State's Primary Election. Once again, it's the Republicans that corrupt, interfere and tamper with voting. The Democrats are casualties of the nefarious Republican Governor and Legislature. Also, did the USA poll factor in Nader? According to the latest Zogby numbers, neither Clinton nor Obama beat McCain in a general election. Nader siphons off anywhere between 5 and 15% of the vote. I can assure you, as things are now, Florida will be delivered to the Republican candidate by the same methods it was in 2000 and 2004. Nothing has changed. Florida and it 27 Electoral votes will go the John McCain and there is little that can and will be done about it. Additionally, I predict the same will be the case in Ohio especially if Obama is the nominee. Unfortunately, as some have already pointed out, the Rev. White fiasco will eventually scuttle the Obama campaign, just as Willy Horton did in Dukakis. It's nasty and mean, but the end result will be the same. McCain will be the next President and we'll have at least 4 more years of corruption and insanity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 03/18/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

"Why will lack of a Democratic primary mean Florida will remain a Red state?"

It's idiotic to assume otherwise. Gore lost Florida by less than 1/3 of one percent of teh thevoters who turned out for teh FL primary. It only takes 1/3 of 1 percent to stay home in November and the state is red. Comnsidering Obama is teh least popular candidate there and it looks to teh people of FL they are being screwed over for his benefit, why wouldn't they stay home? Especially as FL has a massive amount of moderates and Obama Zealots have forced Obama into the Loony left corner, making McCain their next choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 03/18/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

I’m going to attempt to lay out the argument for Howard Dean.

There is a lull in the campaign of about 6 weeks, the candidates are laying around attacking each other.

John McCain is traveling the world looking presidential and acting like a statesman.

Nancy Pelosi says that the Superdelegates should not be overturning the pledged delegates.

For the most part the superdelegates agree.

Barack Obama is ahead by an insurmountable amount and Hillary has no chance of catching up to him.

Everyone including Hillary Clinton’s camp agree that come convention, Obama will be way ahead in pledged delegates.

Since everyone agree that Obama will not be overtaken, why sit around waiting for the inevitable to happen. If a superdelegate has not seen enough and cannot make a decision by now, they don’t need to be superdelegates.

Solution

Howard Dean should call a Superdelegate convention now and have the delegates choose up sides now.

At the end of this special convention we will have a nominee.
Get off your duff and get on the ball Howard Dean, this is one of many scenarios that the Democratic party should be exploring now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 03/18/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 37 fans permalink

You missed teh most important factor: Obama has only taken the lead based on caucuses in states that don't matter in November and has yet to win a single important state outside of Illinois.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 03/18/2008

As a Democrat, I am really concerned with what is going on with our Party. It seems as if Adam bit the apple and the sin of confusion dropped on the Democratic Party from Hell. There is something wrong!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 03/18/2008

As a Florida voter I knew that at the time my vote wasn't going to count. But I voted anyway really believing in my heart that the democratic party would get together and figure out how to seat the delegates. Shame on me! Florida will go to the republicans in the general election for this very reason. I will never give a penny to the DNC ever again (or least until Dean steps down). What a mess!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 03/18/2008

Maybe instead of punishing the DNC you should punish the leaders in your state who knowingly voted 115-1 to move the primary up even though they had been told that there would be a penalty. Why no frustration at that. Your votes will be counted but there will also be a penalty I wrote to the DNC asking that the Superdelegates not be sat as a punishment to FL's leadership for trying to break the rules. There must be a punishment to these people who were so up on their high horse to make their primaries matter more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 03/18/2008
- billrott I'm a Fan of billrott 9 fans permalink

Sadly this issue appears far from over. I just watch Governor Ed Rendell, a Clinton surrogate, push that the votes must count. The Clinton campaign is going to push hard for these delegates and votes. Here will be what is pushed.

They will argue that Florida attempted to hold a re-vote. They will argue that the Florida dems floated all options even though the dems ruled out either a caucus or a normal primary.

They will argue that the Florida Republicans pushed the change in date, so the dems should not be held accountable. Such argument is flawed since the dems needed to show leadership in their state and did not.

They will argue that disenfranchising these votes will impact the fall election. I really don't buy this one. I think having a re-vote and occupying the state's time during an economic crisis on such an endeavor will annoy and enrage the voters more. Additionally, I doubt either dem will get Florida and the election can be won with any combination of the other 49 states.

They will argue Howard Dean is to blame. This argument also is flawed since all Dean did was present Florida the rules and consequences of violating the rules prior to their actions. It is not like Dean is changing the rules midstream.

They will argue that Florida already voted. This prior election was not contested. If you truly feel it is valid, then why have campaigning at all. Campaigning is geared at helping the voters learn where a candidate stands on the issues. Without campaigning, any such election is a popularity contest not based on issues or the candidates really.

They will argue that it is Obama's fault. This argument is also not true. Obama has simply followed the rules. He should not be punished for doing so. Additionally, Obama was right to question the mail in proposal since it was hastily put together and appeared that it would result in another contested election.



In the end, it is another election and what would it be without Florida having problems and trouble holding a fair election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 AM on 03/18/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

you forget to mention, that Obama is the only one - who did any kind of campaigning in Florida, by running ads. And stop it with your starting to blame the Clinton's for this fiasco. Good grief... you Obamayts are as pathetic as MSNBC and that Oberman creep who twists anything and everything into a Clinton negative. It's absolutely disgusting, and at this stage of the game does nothing other than reaffirm their utter - contemptible bias against Hillary. I always thought it was illegal to knowingly and deliberately defame any person, including a candidate ! I believe it still is... and I just don't get how this kind of slime... continues to air - in a democracy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 03/18/2008
- simplify I'm a Fan of simplify 57 fans permalink
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NO!!!!! THE HEADLINE SHOULD READ,

THE MEDIA HURTS OBAMA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 03/18/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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The MEDIA's job is to INFORM, in case you forgot.

Even if it's information some would rather sweep under the rug.

Besides, I haven't heard any outrage when Senator Clinton was and continues to be abused and dehumanized by the Media.

Get used to it, if you want your guy to be the nominee, cause you can be sure the RIGHTIES will NOT hold back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 03/18/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

simplify:

Yes but it should also read..... but not one hundredths as much as it's hurt Hillary and continues to hurt Hillary. you should be releived that the media is only hurting Obama with the TRUTH... whereas with HIllary is been by feeding the biggest crock of lies and spins... I've ever had the misfortune to witness. It's appalling!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 03/18/2008
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 199 fans permalink
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Hillary has more bad news coming her way. Her attempts to delay the final outcome

from Texas has been "rejected."

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/533262.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 03/18/2008
- ntmessage I'm a Fan of ntmessage 38 fans permalink

Anyone who is not blinded by the so-called light knows how desperately close the general election will be in the fall. The DNC are the only ones who cannot see the huge blunder they have made with the party in a year that is ripe for a democrat to take the highest office in the land.

Dean, Kerry, Gore and Bradley who all lost bids as President because they could not unite the party to include Hispanics Regan Democrats as well as Clinton supporters. (Please do you homework with any replies and I will give tangible and specific examples that can be fact checked).

Now the arrogance of the DNC and Dean to screw around with the Michigan and Florida voters, for whatever reason, excludes more voters from supporting the DNC and democrats in the fall.

Frankly I really do not get it, they are hell bent to take the party down because they want a DNC with so many exclusionary aspects, again for whatever reason, that they cannot see that they are succeeding to reject a majority of Americans needed to actually win the election in the fall. These folks cannot hide their abject bias toward the very people they need to win. Call it elitism, arrogance or whatever; the result is now taking a familiar form...

the Democrats, stealing defeat from the jaws of victory, again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 03/18/2008
- Colmore I'm a Fan of Colmore 46 fans permalink

Last evening someone from the Obama campaign called. I cut him off and said "Don't ask me for a donation. This bickering between Clinton and Obama has to stop. They are making it possible for McCain to walk into the WH. Why can't they do what the republicans do, PRETEND to like each other for party unity? I am disgusted, and will not make any contributions." Then I hung up. Hopefully, if enough people point this out they can get it over with. I dread to think of a McCain/Jeb Bush WH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 03/18/2008
- Chachi I'm a Fan of Chachi 4 fans permalink

You're a moron Colmore. Clinton has started the bickering between these two. So, why blame Obama? For defending himself? You're like someone who sees two kids fighting and thinks they're both little hooligans without even bothering to consider that maybe only one of them is and the other one had no choice. So, keep your money and instead use it to buy some books and try to become a little smarter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 03/18/2008
- Colmore I'm a Fan of Colmore 46 fans permalink

You should study how to comprehend a written statement. Where did I blame either of them? As far as I am concerned, they are equally to blame. Keep it up, and it will be president McCain. The country is exhausted from all the bad decisions from the WH. The democratic politicians need to unite against the opposition, not each other. If the Clinton campaign had called, my answer would have been the same. I have never donated to her, so they do not call. I have donated to Obama. Now, I have given up all hope. Don't kid yourself, Obama has gotten his digs in at Clinton. They are only politicians, after all. Is there anyone out there who actually has the good of the country foremost on their agenda?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 03/18/2008

This is such a joke! Obama has always got in his snide cuts on Senator Clinton. And from day 1. He also ran with the "race card" and used Bill Clinton to do it. And he knew, without a doubt, that Clinton was not a racist. But he let those racist comments stand and used them. Well take a look at where Obama has made his chuch by personal choice. It has nothing to do with uniting ALL Americans. Considering the unfair circumstances of this entire race, including the first two months of this year when the media did nothing but tell its viewers that Obama was going to save us all while they trashed Clinton, it is a wonder Senator Clinton has been as fair as she has. Had the media vetted Obama in the same way, he would already be out of this race. And he will be soon enough and noone is to blame but Obama himself. He is a hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 03/18/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

Yeah Chachi:

Obama is a Saint. So is his pastor and they both have a direct line to God!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 03/18/2008
- CindyKay I'm a Fan of CindyKay 17 fans permalink
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I am sooo tired of People knocking Floridians. I was born & Raised in Florida and I Vote in EVERY ELECTION. Do Not Blame the People of Florida for Our Leaders Mistakes. We Do Not Run These Elections They Do.
As an Independent I was NOT allowed to Vote ( Closed Primary ) I Do Not however want a Do Over, ALL the CANDIDATES Agreed to the Rules BEFORE the Election took place & the Voters Knew this. The PROBLEM Started when HillBush Realized She would Need those Votes & Her Actions have been Appalling. Her so called Concern for the Voters is nothing short of a Ruse played on Floridians & Michigonians , Where was all Her Concern when She Agreed to this??? Split them 50/50 or DO NOT SEAT THEM, these Delegates should NOT be allowed to have such a significant Impact on the Election. Her methods for Obtaining those delegates smack of Coercion & Arrogance. In the General Election the Independents will turn Out Big Time & let's All Hope that Obama is Chosen for if HillBush is then We Will Be Screwed Again with a MCINSANE 3rd Bush Term. And that is Exactly what HillBush Wants, Her motto is If She can't be President then She wants to come back & run in 4 Years. She is Currently Running as if She were a Republithug & I think it is time Dean said something , She Definitely crossed the line by Endorsing MCINSANE & We cannot let Her get away with this.
Now Repeat After Me , No More Bush No More Clinton & Definitely No MCINSANE.

A Special Note for HillBush , The Republithugs are Bragging about How They Voted For You Because Rush Told Them To & They Know YOU CAN"T BEAT MCINSANE. You Did Not Win Texas it was HANDED TO YOU ON PURPOSE!!!

VOTE OBAMA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 03/18/2008

she didnt win more delegates in texas, obama did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 03/18/2008
- CindyKay I'm a Fan of CindyKay 17 fans permalink
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I understand that BUT She was handed what She did get , the Republithugs have been Bragging. One woman said 15 Republithug Family members Voted for Hillary Only So She Could Run Against McInsane & Lose. Besides in HillBush's Own Little World She thinks She Won Texas ( Because She Doesn't Think a Caucus is Fair!) A Witch With A Capital B !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 03/18/2008

That doesn't explain why no one was listening to Bill Nelson's cries to get this under control in Aug 2007 when the decision was made not to seat the delegates. You obviously have lots of common sense...when there is an election.. you vote! The folks who keep saying "I didn't vote because it didn't count" made a few bad assumptions; the most important being that FL would re do an election. If everyone who really wants to vote (like you) always votes when there is an election, then there really is no debate about what counted and what did not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 03/18/2008
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Where's Howard Dean?

This is his job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 03/18/2008
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