Michigan Primary Revote In Limbo

Michigan Primary Revote In Limbo

Detroit News   |  Mark Hornbeck and Deb Price   |   March 17, 2008 11:05 AM


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State lawmakers looking at a Democratic presidential primary redo in Michigan appear to be locked in a standoff heading into a crucial week: Legislative leaders say the U.S. Sen. Barack Obama camp needs to agree to the repeat election before legislation is written, and Obama supporters say they must see the bill before signing off on the plan.

Whether Michigan has a do-over primary in June depends on resolving that issue.

State Sen. Tupac Hunter, D-Detroit, said Sunday that allies of U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton are bent on a do-over primary to enable their candidate to try to pull up to Obama in the presidential race. Hunter said he won't sign off on a repeat election unless he sees detailed legislation answering his concerns.


 
 

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One thing for sure, if Michigain goes through all this trouble to hold a valid primary the last thing that should happen is to have Florida get seated without it. That would be a real kick in the pants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 03/17/2008

who the hell would agree to something without knowing what the details of that deal would be? agree, and then we'll tell you how it's going to work...um yeah okay sounds like a genius idea.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 03/17/2008

Obama is trying to duck re-votes for Michigan and Florida, he doesn't like primaries where everyone gets to participate, only the un-democratic caucuses that bring out the Zealots that have 6 hours to kill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 03/17/2008

I have a contract for you to sign. I'll tell you what it says after I get your signature.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 03/20/2008

Something is really wrong with this picture. It makes absolutely no sense that Obama is being asked to sign off on legislation that is not written yet. That's ridiculous. They have every right to see a plan first. The idea that somehow legislation "can't" be written until he does so, or that it takes some huge amount of effort is a flat out lie. My job involves drafting legislation. Bills are drafted all the time and circulated to see if there is significant opposition or support. Nobody ever signs on to a phantom bill that is not even written. This doesn't sound like a daunting task either. Surely Michigan has had special elections before. Drafting a bill to have another one is not reinventing the wheel. The unusual part here seems to be the financing aspect, but that is a policy issue to be worked out, and would have to be decided before the bill is drafted anyway.

This looks like a "put up" where Obama is required to basically sign a blank check as to how the election would be conducted, or be accused of stifling the voters in Michigan. DON"T DO IT. He followed the rules in Michigan ( he and every other major candidate except Clinton took their names off the ballot), so he is not at fault here, and he shouldn't be asked by a state legislature that obiviously is favoring Clinton to sign off on something before it's even created, especially when that is never the case for any other legislation.

What should happen is that a proposed bill should be submitted to both Clinton and Obama for their approval. Their approval is required for the election anyway, as they are the candidates affected by it. Any competent legislative drafter could put something like that together in an afternoon. So the idea that it can't be done until they have his "approval" is totally bogus and smells like a rat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 03/17/2008

"But Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said, "By refusing to embrace a plan that has broad support, the Obama campaign is blocking the people of Michigan from being able to vote and make their voices heard.""

This is a typical clinton comment. The point from the Obama campaign is that they want to see a plan before they agree to it. The clinton supporters in MI state won't create a plan, just demand blind support for whatever they say. THERE IS NO PLAN TO SUPPORT, you jacka$$!

On the other hand, Obama should just make a statement as to what sort of plan he'd agree to, if and when an actual plan is created. This is very simple. If he doesn't offer a solution, he's going to look like he's flipping MI the bird. List your demands, Obama - adequate coverage in urban areas, guarantees for inspectors, guaranteed availability of law enforcement and judges to deal with any polling place anomalies, etc..

hillary will support almost anything right now because she has absolutely nothing to lose with a revote. She's seeing the delegate count trickle in Obama's direction almost every day. So Obama, spell out your terms and don't waste any more time. Defending a position that suppresses fair elections is NOT where you want to be, sir.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 03/17/2008

Well, of course the campaign isn't going to agree to a re-vote until they know how it's going to be done. That 's the problem in Florida—no infrastructure for a mail-in campaign, so how does anyone do any oversight. They need to come up with something that can be monitored.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 03/17/2008


This race must be settled way before June. Hillary needs to bow out. She can't win given the math. If she won't leave willing, the Super Delegates need to help her along both for the sake of the party and for winning the election in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/17/2008

Obama will gone way before Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 03/17/2008

You should wager your life savings on that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 03/17/2008

Here is the audio clip of Hillary admitting that she knew Michigan would not count

Now she claims it was a fair election

She is a monster

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=zydzt

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 03/17/2008

Whatever gets Hillary to quit proclaiming she won MI and FL...you can't win something when there was no competition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 03/17/2008

The cost of paying for this LATE primary is going to defeat it.

Promises don't pay bills.

Michigan voters should have the money up front before they are left with the bill.

You may want to write the DNC so you can get rid of your awful State Dem Leaders.

And then send a note of thanks to Hillary's supporter, Harold Ickes, for handing out your punishment.

He advanced the idea and pushed for it when he was working for the DNC.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 03/17/2008

Let's get this straight: Hillary is the only one benefiting from this re-vote, this is her only chance to close the delegate gap, so this is politics at its best. Hillary's team built this entire process - allowing lots of states to move up and then having super tuesday: that was all Terry Macoluffe's planning (even thought he claims it wasn't). Bottom line: despite Hillary's incumbent favoring systemic attempt - MI and FL have back-fired. The best possible move for Obama would be to take it all the way to the convention to a credentials committee. And by the way, Hillary is counting on super-delegates to drag her across the finish line: but guess what?? Hillary hasn't received one single super since Feb 5th - oh wait a sec - not only has she not won any supers - she's actually LOST 7!! And Obama has gained 47 supers since Feb 5th. There is absolutely no reason for Hillary to think supers will over-ride the pledged delegates. This campaign is over, and I think Dems would be better off not wasting tens of millions on a re-vote that won't change anything except Hillary Clinton's ego-maniacal wishful thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 03/17/2008

I do not understand why MI needs Obama's OK. Do they need him to approve all their other legislation? When did Obama become the Governor of MI?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 03/17/2008

Brilliant!!! I wish he could be our Governor..... I do not like our Gov so much..... she is very, very goofy......... but not in a good way.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 03/17/2008

Both campaigns have to agree to the re-vote. That's what's going on in Florida, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 03/17/2008

Actually, the Michigan state legislature has to agree to a revote by the end of Thursday. If they cannot work it out by then, it's over. Legally speaking, there's nothing to agree to until the legislature reaches a decision. Right now it's 1:22 PM on Thursday, and it's looking like it's not going to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 03/20/2008

Why should the states who broke the rules be the most influential?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 03/17/2008

I heard on the local Detroit news this morning that they had voted to have a primary, as the vote was 60-40 in favor.... so we really just need to get the rest of the people on board, and they are talking on June 3rd for the vote.... I think it is great news!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 03/17/2008

A 2/3 majority in both houses of the state legislature, and as of Thursday afternoon, this has not happened. Sen. Obama is blocking nothing by not agreeing to a hypothetical, nor is Sen. Clinton moving anything forward. Despite Clinton's insistence on using Michigan as a stick to jab at her opponent, without Michigan's agreement, there is no second primary. Besides, considering the large number of Obama supporters who sat out a primary that Clinton herself said wasn't "going to count for anything," the results of a redo might not be as much of a benefit to her as she thinks.

It is important that Clinton and her supporters do not misrepresent what is happening here as Obama-obstructionism, when the final say comes from the Michigan legislature. Without a legislative decision, there is nothing to agree to, and nothing to block.

Michael in Michigan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 03/20/2008
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