So true DBSPCL although I am surprised your post got "approved"! Cluelessness and hypocrisy are the hallmarks of both, the right wing nuts and the far left loonies! Both hate each other but are eesentially two faces of the same coin ...

Correct. Murtha is definitely "old school" - the establishment. It has served him well. It hasn't served me well.

I don't like it, but I understand it.

Operation Chao is working

Politics is 1st. you get elected.2nd you institute change.

Jack Murtha is a "Sensible American" :-))

I know what you mean, ballewb. It's sad, but now they are trashing Another great American. It is like the Republicans, isn't it?

And HuffPo had to find the craziest picture they could of Mr. Murtha. So sad. I'm glad sensible people can see through the one-sideness of this site; most don't read it.

'Cause he turns water into wine and parts seas for his followers.

Hello ballewb you wrote: "let me open a can or worms by asking, why do you all support Obama so vehemently? I mean I realy enjoy his message about change and hope, but what policy, what issue, sets him apart from Clinton? I ask this without sarcasm or insult, so please answer that way."

LET ME TRY TO ANSWER THAT. OF COURSE I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, AND IN GENERAL I HAVENT ATTACKED CLINTON SUPPORTERS IN A HEATED MANNER ALTHOUGH I HAVE DISAGREED WITH THEM OFTEN. THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS WE OBAMA SUPPORTERS FEEL SO STRONGLY: 1) MOST OF US BELIEVE HE'S THE BEST POLITICIAN WE'VE SEEN IN OUR LIFETIMES SO OUR SUPPORT OF HIM IS MORE THEN YOU'D GENERALLY SEE FOR A TYPICAL POLITI CIAN'S VOTER-BASE; OBAMA IS MUCH MORE LIKE A SPIRITUAL LEADER IN THIS REGARD 2) I BELIEVE MANY OBAMA SUPPORTERS HAVE THE FEAR THAT THERE WILL BE AN ATTEMPT TO STEAL THIS RACE FROM OBAMA. IN 2000 A LOT OF DEMS STOOD BACK AND ASSUMED JUSTICE AND FAIRNESS WOULD WORK ITSELF OUT AND THEN WE WOKE UP AND SAW THE CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT STEAL THAT ELECTION AND GIVE IT TO BUSH. THAT LESSON WAS A TOUGH ONE, AND THE WORLD HAS SUFFERED AS A RESULT, OBAMA SUPPORTERS WILL NOT BE SITTING ON THE SIDELINES AND JUST ALLOW THE DEM ESTABLISHMENT GIVE IT TO THE PERSON THEY PICKED 2 YEARS AGO. OBAMA'S CANDIDACY IS OF AN OUTSIDER - HE'S THE UNDERDOG. AND 3) MANY OF US BECAME MORE HEATED WHEN WE SAW THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN ATTACKING HIM WITH THE KITCHEN SINK - AND THIS STARTED FAR BEFORE OHIO AND TEXAS, THATS BEEN THE CLINTON STRATEGY SINCE LOSING IOWA. MANY OF US BELIEVE THE CLINTONS ARE GUILTY OF: PLAYING LATINOS AGAINST BLACKS, CONSTANTLY TRYING TO MAKE RACE AN ISSUE WHEN IT WASNT PRIOR, ACCUSING OBAMA OF PLAGIARISM, ACCUSING HIM OF NOT ACTUALLY BEING AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR (SOMETHING WE FEEL STRONGLY AGAINST), AND SO MUCH MORE. WE SEE HILLARY AS TRULY REPRESENTING THE OLD STYLE OF CYNICAL POLITICS WHICH IS BASED ON OLD BATTLE LINES BETWEEN GENDERS, RACES, CLASS ETC; A STYLE THAT TRIES TO DESTROY THE OPPOSITION AND TALKS DOWN TO THE VOTERS AS IF WE ARE CHILDREN. IT'S ALSO CLEARLY GENERATIONAL DIFFERENCE ASWELL, AND MANY OF US OBAMA SUPPORTERS DESPERATELY WANT AMERICA TO MOVE PAST THAT STYLE OF POLITICS. OBVIOUSLY I COULD WRITE A BOOK HERE (MAYBE I DID) BUT I WANTED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FULLY - I HOPE THATS HELPFUL FOR YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAYS WHERE ALL OF US CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE IN A NON CONFRONTATIONAL MANNER. BUT RIGHT NOW THERE ARE TOO MANY PERSONALLY AND EMOTIONALLY INVESTED IN THIS BATTLE. I'M SURE IT WILL STAY HOT UNTIL CLINTON BOWS OUT...

Hi Ballewb,

I'll start off by stating that I'm an Obama supporter, but I believe that we have two outstanding candidates to choose from, and if Hillary Clinton is nominated, I will vote for her in November. Second, please know that the vitriolic Hillary-hating pro-Obama posts here on HuffPost are not representative of the majority of Obama supporters, just as the anti-Obama Hillaryite posts here are not representative of the majority.

You ask why one would support Obama ardently. Here's my reason, from a previous post:

I support Obama because I strongly believe, from years of following Obama (I've been watching him since 1991) that his foreign policy is superior to Clinton's or McCains. He has both the vision and ability to reduce international tensions on many fronts. If he is able to do so, the repercussions will be wide-ranging for the United States: a reduced threat of terrorism, which leads to reduced military spending, which leads to increased domestic spending on items such as infrastructure, a national health plan, shoring up Medicare and Social Security, Education, etcetera, etcetera.

The world is inevitably becoming multi-polar, with the European Union, China, and the U.S. as equally balanced powers, while U.S. foreign policy is still conducted as if we had just exited the Cold War. Obama is the candidate most likely to bring us a smooth transition to this new reality, where the U.S. will need to share power. Clinton and McCain will both maintain status quo. If foreign policy status quo is maintained, the U.S. will experience a far quicker and greater loss of power and economic well-being than it would if the transition were effectively managed.

On Domestic Policy, there's a hairsbreadth difference between the two, and they'll both manage domestic issues well.

I respect Clinton, she'll do a great job if she becomes president, just not the best possible.

What issue that sets him apart for Clinton? I can think of one: The little dust up in the Middle East. I am sure you have heard of it. It's been going strong for 5 years at a cost of 3 trillion dollars and more importantly the lost of 4,000 soliders and at least a Million Iraq lives.

That's a major difference.

Ballewb, it ain't no-can-of-worms, it's very simple, really: As Bob Mitchum, stated to the crooked official, in the movie Thunder Road when he squashed the ole farts hat, "I don't fix for anyone!" And, that is(one reason) why OBama, is so popular. He doesn't have any crumbs on his hands from the proverbial cookie jar of politics. Meantime, Clintons, dredges up memories of Janet Reno, Bosnia (remember he said we'd be only stayin a few months?) Vince Foster, Whitewater, Airline ticket scandal. Oh, does the name Abramson (of lobby fame) ring a bell, not to mention all the lies and more lies and the bogging the country down with his scandal, then what about the millions of pork she just recently "dropped" on her homies. Oh, and you might want to read up on the latest "trick" Bill's pulled involving the rich mining due from Canada and pne of those countries that broke away from Putinville a few years back. But back to Hillary; when she visited Seattle, pushing her health plan she turned people off and it wasn't her breath. Abrasive, coarse, mean-spirited best explain the real HRC. Further, you know full well, a Commander is only as good as the people he lets in the tent. Granted, they can't start the meeting without him but he doesn't brief them -THEY BRIEF HIM. So, when you look at the Senator from Illinois, get past the skin tone. And maybe once in your life you can prove to yourself, you ain't biased.