Obama's Race Speech: Damned If He Does, Damned If He Doesn't

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First Posted: 03-18-08 12:04 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 05:12 AM

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Here's what I know of Barack Obama and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Wright is the pastor at a church in Chicago who, at various points in his life, walked into a room and said some pretty objectionable-slash-crazy-ass things about America. Barack Obama may or may not have been in the room at the time when he said these objectionable-slash-crazy-ass things, but he definitely was in the room with Wright at other times, when Wright may or may not have said other objectionable things. It is also apparent that Obama was in the room with Wright at times when Wright said other things, which Obama did not deem objectionable-slash-crazy-ass, but rather hopeful-slash-optimistic, and those things, said at that time, may have formed the backbone of certain principles that inspired Obama's political life. There may have been other people, in other rooms, who said other things to other people, including potentially Barack Obama, some of which may have been objectionable-slash-crazy-ass. Or not.

Got that? It is confusing. But not so much that I cannot empathize. Some years ago I wrote a graduate-school thesis, in which I believe I remarked that the way William Shakespeare manipulated the heartbeat of his iambic pentameter so as to effortlessly reveal his characters' internal states-of-mind was enough to qualify him as an absolute master of the English language, worthy of continued study and critical praise. But, as it turns out, Shakespeare wrote The Merchant of Venice, which includes a brutally anti-Semitic representation of a major character, and The Taming of the Shrew, which hardly takes an enlightened approach in its depiction of women. So, I guess I should renounce, denounce, reject, repudiate, disavow, disown, cast off, scorn, spurn, blackball, and -- ere the cock crows -- deny thrice for good measure, any previous compliment I may have paid a poet who once said things that I didn't agree with one hundred percent of the time. And Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, so he's a racist, and the university he founded which fueled my fascination with Shakespeare should be summarily rejected, denounced, et al., and maybe the country he helped to found, America, should also be renounced, dissed, and perhaps even damned by God, thus bringing us full circle.

All of this should teach all of us an important lesson: before you are born and proceed upon a life filled with both knowing people who stand in rooms and say things, and complimenting other people who stood in other rooms and said other things, you'd better think it all through! Because what's to be done after you've been caught not repudiating things that other people deem repudiatable? Or worse: what if, after you've repudiated those things, other people say that you didn't repudiate them hard enough?

That is essentially the fine pickle in which Barack Obama finds himself -- one that's entirely of his own making. He's made the fatal mistake of assuming that his "words" and his "explanations" and the "character" he's demonstrated through a lifetime of "actions" is sufficient in assuaging the concerns of voters. But he forgot about the need to satisfy the media. And clearly his previous denunciations of Reverend Wright's remarks have not been sufficient. And if you can't satisfy the media, can you really satisfy the voters, who the media will say aren't satisfied? Probably not.

But if I could ask a question of the media figures who are regularly calling for Obama to reject Wright today, who urged Clinton to reject Geraldine Ferraro the day before and who demanded Obama reject Louis Farrakhan earlier last week, it would be this: what would satisfy you? What action could any of these candidates take to settle the matter -- that they have their own ideas and positions and are not some sort of tabula rasa that sponges up only the most mean-minded things the people with whom they have come in contact with have espoused?

If you believe all the racket and clamor, it would seem that this occasion calls for Barack Obama to do something major, something grandiose, something that leaves no doubt at all that his feelings of rejection toward the statements of Reverend Wright are deep and vast and absolute. Maybe he should go so far as to invite Wright to a media event, and then hit him repeatedly with a large stick of some kind! It is possible, however, that even this might not be enough to satisfy some people, and, indeed, the violent acts, while leaving no doubt as to the ferocity of Obama's repudiation, may go too far, and offend others. Instead, Obama will go before the kliegs tomorrow and deliver a "major speech about race" that will likely actually be a "major speech about some crazy stuff a guy said during a sermon at a black church."

There's a good chance that his "major speech about race" will be sufficient, like the time Mitt Romney gave his "major speech about religion" that everyone loved and which solved all of his problems. But there's also a chance that his speech will fail and spell doom for his candidacy, like the time Mitt Romney gave his "major speech about religion" that everyone thought was phony and made the media remember how awesome John McCain was. If Obama fails to address the matter, it could be bad. But if he does address the matter, the results could be equally ungood, only maybe doubleplus so.

In the end, what will it matter? At some point, there will be other figures, and other remarks, that candidates will need to repudiate. If Obama survives, he may have to repudiate Tony Rezko by allowing Fox News to burn his house to the ground on national television. Someone might remember that John McCain has warmly embraced religious bigots of his own, and force McCain to subject them to the same tortures he faced as a soldier in order to ensure a perfect karmic balance. And if Clinton gets the nomination, well... let's just say I have it on good authority that she might be connected to a major political figure who was once put through an impeachment trial. Yeah. You may think we're not going to hear all about that sooner or later. But I'd think again if I were you. There's nothing the political media loves so much as the damnation game. In fact, that's probably the root of their beef with Reverend Wright in the first place: when he "damned America," he was muscling in on their turf.

Here's what I know of Barack Obama and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Wright is the pastor at a church in Chicago who, at various points in his life, walked into a room and said some pretty objectiona...
Here's what I know of Barack Obama and the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Wright is the pastor at a church in Chicago who, at various points in his life, walked into a room and said some pretty objectiona...
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For months now all the news organizations have done everything in their power to slime Hillary well giving Obama a free ride. Even Fox news didn’t report any negatives on Obama, this is really usual for Fox. As soon as Obama passed Hillary in delegates and could not be caught, Fox news started reporting negatively on Obama. The media on both sides of the aisles has played a huge roll in defusing the momentum of both democratic candidates, their attacks on Hillary early, helped to make her unlikable and now they have effectively neutralized Obama by dividing us on race. Looks like Rove outsmarted the far left media again, while effectively using the far right media, remember Rove works for Fox news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 03/18/2008
- efranklin I'm a Fan of efranklin 2 fans permalink

This may come as a shocking revelation to some folks that live in vastly white communities, but some older black men that grew up in the 50s and 60s -- amidst the slime of segregation and racism -- are a little bitter about it. Get over it. Obama has run a post-racial campaign. Fox News and every right-wing radio nut job out there can attempt to Sharptonize him, but he doesn't radiate the aura of an embittered person. The public is not going to suddenly view Obama as an angry black guy, just because his pastor's tirade was "caught on tape". Obama is not strictly a Black Figure. He's seen by most as a qualified candidate for president who happens to be black.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 03/18/2008

This is a complex situation with many layers:

First, the minister should not use his pulpit for political purposes - it's not right when the republiscum do it and it's not right when progressives (or radicals) do it.

Second, it is difficult to believe the anyone could have been in his church for 20 years and not have known about these statements. It is possible I suppose, but certainly not probable. This may leave a question about Obama's veracity in some folks' minds.

Third, Obama's minister has handed the republiscum an incredible ad for the general election. He will probably find himself spending a lot of his time defending himself against it, leaving him unable to focus on other issues.

Fourth, this has injected race into the process in a very real way - it may be the first time many white folks have had a glimpse inside of an African-American church. It has certainly opened up an opportunity for a real conversation about race, but Obama had better recognize that it is a different game now.

Lastly, Obama's attempt to distance himself from the minister looks like political expediency, and it does, on some level, reinforce the stereotype of the "angry black man" who is a threat to amurica.

One final word: your use of Shakespeare and Jefferson does not strengthen your argument. Shakespeare is better compared with a media mogul who plays what pays. He gave his audience what they wanted. You could also argue that his is more an issue of the relationship of art to reality and the use of art to reflect a society's values. As for Jefferson, owning slaves was an economic necessity at the time. He agonized over it but was unable to survive economically without them (the same with George Washington and other founding patriots). I don't believe he ever denied having slaves, however.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 03/18/2008
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You should have watched the speech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 03/18/2008

First point-Agreed.

Second point- Obama pointed out today he has heard SOME of this crap in person.

Third Point- Won't happen. McCain has too mnay endorsements form too many evangelicals that haven't had their feet held to the fire NEARLY as much as Wright has in the last week or two. McCain won't want to go there.

-Fourth point- Right and Wrong. Yes, this may be the first glimpse some white people get into ablack church, but that's the same as saying that showing clips of Pat Robertson calling for assassignations of leaders or Justices is a glimpse into the Christian church.

-Fifth point- Who is the angry black man? Obama? Why? Or are you talking about the Reverend that is retiring at the end of the month? Political expediancy? Not from a ....GASP..­.POLITICIA­N!?! Let me ask you, what SHOULD Obama do? Wait longer? Acted sooner? Done nothing? What?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 03/18/2008

No Jefferson never denied having slaves, he just denied raping them. I guess that's part of the "economic necessity at the time." Jefferson was just doing his part to repopulate his herd of slaves.

Obama is airing America's dirty little secret, that we still haven't left the "slave mentality" as a country (that's whites and blacks). Unfortunately, neither has the church. The black church grew out of necessity because they weren't allowed to the worship with whites even up until the 1960's. Obama had a point about his white grandmother. Even though she would say and do things that weren't right toward black people, Obama still loved HER and he knew she loved HIM. That's similar to America. This country does things to blacks and other minoritys, that aren't right and make them mad but they still love this country. Just like anyone you love, when they do something that angers you sometimes you just have to vent. That doesn't mean you love them any less. I don't remember seeing any of the congregation packing up their stuff and moving to another country because they "hate it here so much"!

How may people have friends/loved ones/minis­ters/rabbi­s/etc who have said something you don't agree with or done something to you that angered you. You forgive them, agree to disagree and continue to love them anyway. Now imagine it's the country you live in and love that is doing it to you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 03/18/2008

Typical. Why no uproar, ever, about the Ku Klux Klan preachers who preach hate not only from the pulpit on Sundays, but 7 days a week? The angry white men are allowed, but a person of color is not? Wright does not look black to me. His skin is lighter than my dad's was. (he is deceased). The only reason Wright and Obama are considered black is the old 1/16 drop of Negro blood law. If we had 1/16 drop any other blood law, there would be few if any black people in the USA today. Michelle Obama told the country he was not running as a black man; he was running as a MAN.

It is only a bigoted USA, the press, the Clintons that want to divert from issues like the pending Iran war; our lowness of troops; global hatred of what is seen as "Christian terrorists" and "imperialistic bullies" who must be stopped. If a 'white' man said the same things as Wright, he would not be considered "objection­able-slash­-crazy-ass things". Kucinich says them; Feingold says them; Edwards said them to a lesser degree; the voters in Vermont that impeached Bush and Cheney said them.

Obama tells the truth in this speech. We poor and middle class "whites" have been complaining about our government for years. $100. screwdrivers? (the example of how our elected officials help their buddies turn a profit) Hoffman-La Roche, price fixing? Destruction of Iraq to build up Dubai, so Bill Clinton and Neil Bush can earn millions? Oh, but what does Roche have to do with the high cost of health care and Hillary Clinton? I know. If you do not, you are not qualified to judge Obama, nor Wright.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 03/18/2008
- Lap48 I'm a Fan of Lap48 2 fans permalink

Booooy, you're really pressing to make a case vs. Obama. Let's just look at just one of your points to see the deceit [self-delusion?] inherent to your position:

ItMaybetooLate: "...As for Jefferson, owning slaves was an economic necessity at the time. He agonized over it but was unable to survive economically without them (the same with George Washington and other founding patriots).­..."

Jefferson was a racist and hypocrite, as anyone even mildy familiar with his tome, "Notes on the State of Virginia," and his take on the African slave [as well as his slightly less malign view of Native Americans] therein, all the while he was screwing one of his family's issue-by-force chattel, should put the lie to that toontown faerie tale you're peddling. So, no, Jefferson wasn't some tortured, enlightened saint forced by circumstances to enslave his fellow human beings....­and, had he really been such a person, his decency, had he actually had possessed any, should have compelled him to live a different lifestyle.

What? the life of a shoe cobbler in Richmond, rather than that of a "gentleman famer," was a fate worse than death?

Please

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 03/18/2008

I am not trying to make a case against Obama. I have stated in other posts that I don't support him, nor do I support HRC. I would prefer to vote for Edwards, but will vote for the democratic candidate to help defeat insane mccain. My point was that this is a multi-layer issue. In fact, Obama's speech showed that he does indeed understand that race is now a big player - no matter his own wishes on the matter (point #4).

As for Jefferson, read the first draft of the Declaration of the Independence and you will see that he struggled with the issue of slavery in a very real way. I also never said that he was a "tortured, enlightened saint ." Those are your words. And, nothing that you have said disputes the fact that it was an economic necessity at the time. I don't say that to support it or to forgive it, but to note that the economic system set up by the southern states relied on slavery. Did it relieve him of the responsibility of ending slavery? No. Does it help explain his behavior? Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 03/19/2008
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

It's obvious Obama is being held to a higher standard, because he has called for a new kind of politics. So his efforts to raise the level of discourse are being countered by this guilt by association. Barack's opponents have not found anything objectionable in what the senator has said, so they are going after his supporters. At the end of the day, voters will judge who is the best to do the job, not who has associates that have never said anything objectionable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 03/18/2008
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In my six decades of life, I have never heard the truths about Race in America spoken by one person as clearly as Obama did today, with respect to the divisive nature of race in America. The clarity of his understanding, from all sides, is an opportunity for us to move forward, ... or retrench to old and destructive ways.

The next president must do what Obama has set forth, ... as a Nation we have no other viable choice. I would rather know that he or she is committed to that path, ... than wonder and wait. He has given us undeniable guidance.

For those who say he is a Pollyanna, ... listen and be clear. This man is optimistic at a time when America's self-confidence in its ability to heal is flagging. He understands America is scarred with a past, but must remain open to change in the future. I will not vote for ANYONE who does not also believe that to be true, for we will not survive without the hope that we can change our situation.

This speech will be studied, and applauded for years to come, and demonstrate the clear thinking that we need in our top leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 03/18/2008

Did he just say that black don't like white people for good reason and white people need to get over it? Cause that is what I got out of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 03/18/2008

Yeah...tha­t is what he said. Perfect quote. Go back and listen to it again. He never said that. Or read the transcript. That would be an insane quote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 03/18/2008
- mcfried I'm a Fan of mcfried 15 fans permalink

No I believe he said both black and white people have issues and we all need to move beyond them. ``Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race,'' he said. ``Their experience is the immigrant experience - as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch.''
I believe you just did this:
``Race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now,'' Obama said today. ``We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America -- to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.''
You and Rev Wright - stereo typing. Well done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 03/18/2008
- robXdion I'm a Fan of robXdion 185 fans permalink
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He didn't say that expressly, but that is partly true. As proof of this point, would you want to wake up as a black person tomorrow??? Now answer that one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 03/18/2008
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He said white people resent black people, and black people resent white people, and both of their reasoning is misdirected, which is why he called for people to get past the racial issues and start dealing with issues that matter, like education, health care, the war, the economy. You probably didn't hear that part because someone was making noise :-( Then again, there are probably some racists (not you) who just wouldn't want to hear that part so they pretend he didn't say it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 03/18/2008

That is what I got out of it, too. Something like, I, as a black person am allowed to bring race into the discussion of politics, however, you, as a white person cannot bring up race or you are playing the race card and are prejudice! How arrogant and racist can you be. I have listened to his staff play the race card for months now while the media ignored it all. Now the MSM thinks it is GREAT that he injects race into the conversation. WOW!!! I have always voted democrat in the past. Now I might have to sit this one out. What a shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 03/18/2008
- cblcar I'm a Fan of cblcar 6 fans permalink

The media lives to build someone up and put them on a pedestal just so they can have the pleasure, and even bigger ratings, of tearing that person down. That is what is now happening to Obama. Unfortunately for the junior senator from Illinois, the timing couldn't be worse. Once there is blood in the water, the media sharks will not stop until they finish him off. For Democrats it is better this happened now than during the general election. Hillary has already been knocked down, ripped apart and dragged through every possible mudhole -- and she's not only still standing, she's tougher than ever. The very things the Hillary-haters bash her for are exactly the things that it will take to win against the Republicans come November. Ironic, isn't it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 03/18/2008
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 79 fans permalink
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"she's not only still standing, she's tougher than ever." ???

Hillary has become just like a Republican, war mongering, supporting GW Bush, doing anything for political gain. She has lost her way because she has no moral compass. For her it is all about what the focus groups have to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 03/18/2008
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Hillary has never been knocked down, ripped apart, and dragged through the mudhole, like Barak. Allot of Hillary's problems were brought on by herself. I am not a Hillary Hater, but I am not a supporter, but that doesn't mean I hate her. It appears on this website more than any other, that if you are not for her, you are against her, and hate her. Thats simply not true.

Well, I think after 7 years of this kind of talk, if your weren't with Bush, your were anti-American, unpatriotic if you were for the war. So if I am for Obama, not Hillary, I am accused of the same thing because exactly what your saying. I am not with so I hate her.

Thank you very much, but I'm kind of tired of the word hate and the use of the word in our society today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 03/18/2008

Ironic? No, self-delusional. The Republicans will come out in droves for the pleasure of voting against Hillary Clinton, and nothing, NOTHING that happens in the general campaign season will affect that outcome one bit. At the same time, droves of disgusted Democrats and Independents will stay home in droves. Hillary stands exactly no chance of winning against any Republican the GOP could have cared to field.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 03/18/2008

The issue is what are the beliefs of the person on the ballot: Mr. Obama, not Mr. Wright. We can know what a person’s beliefs are based on the actions they take. For example, we know Abraham Lincoln believed slavery was wrong because he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Lots of people wanted to end slavery, but Abraham Lincoln did. That was an action and it proved a belief.

We know Obama’s beliefs from his actions: working to help folks in the community, helping unemployed steel workers, getting involved in government, teaching, voting appropriately for laws that help all communities, advocating for unity and better government. We know from Senator Obama’s actions what his beliefs are, and they are admirable.

Does befriending a radical talker make one a radical? No. A person’s beliefs are their own, chosen by free will from among the beliefs of the many people who have been a part of that person’s life, including the people who raised that person, the people who taught that person in schools and universities, the people who have been that person’s friends, colleagues, and fellow worshippers at church, and even that person’s minister.

Many Democrats, independents, and some Republicans are familiar with and approve the policies that Mr. Obama has furthered through enactment of law, and they approve of the policies that he has proposed. That’s why people have been voting for him, and will continue to. Mr. Obama is well respected by his fellow senators. Mr. Obama’s policy positions are not at issue. What is at issue is Obama’s qualification for presidency. Specifically: “what are Obama’s beliefs, do we know them, and does he harbor secret beliefs?” Unless someone has some proof that Obama has some secret and unacceptable beliefs, then we must accept him at face value. The public is familiar enough with Mr. Obama and his actions to know what his beliefs are and what they aren’t; he has no “hidden beliefs”. Senator Obama is a mainstream U.S. politician.

Senator Obama has laudably spent much time in the African American community, and no doubt he has associated with many interesting persons. We’re sure to hear more about them, but they, like Reverend Wright, will be side shows. All of the candidates have these diversionary side shows. Contrary to the hopes of the Right, most people will pay little attention to them when voting in this critical election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 03/18/2008

It's not confusing to me.

Rev Wright was on a friggin tear on CHRISTMAS MORNING!!! My church was doing the "Baby Jesus, Peace on Earth" stuff while this hypo-Christian was scalding white folk!

Where WAS O'Bama, by the way? Skipping church on Christmas? That's a no-no where I go. In fact, Christmas is one of the few days you can count on my phony fellow Cat-licks to fill the pews.

FINALLY -- AND FOREMOST

Hey, Barack, read my lips:

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

We've had enough of this bushshit for the past eight years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 03/18/2008
- MNDADDY I'm a Fan of MNDADDY 2 fans permalink

My only concern with what Rev. Wright said Obama's relationship to the Rev, is that Obama should have known that this was going to be a huge issue in the November. It may be wrong for them to think so, but swing voters aren't going to approve or most of them anyway. With the past elections so closely divided, how could Obama think that he was going hide his association with Rev. Wright?

Most troubling for in Obama's statements against the words of Rev. Wright, is that it is clear that he is still protecting the man Rev. Wright. He has to absolutely divorce himself from the Rev. or he has no chance. But how can Obama do that now? Obama takes his children to listen to these sermons, and has since their birth.

Why do democrats do this every single four years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 03/18/2008
- Monrocsol I'm a Fan of Monrocsol 5 fans permalink

Gee, your candidate is getting too much heat and you can't take it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 03/18/2008

No, I don't think anyone is saying that he can't take it.

That's HIllary's job, to cry to the press like a pathetic little girl that the press is "unfair". Boo-hoo.

Oh yeah, that goes for the Hillary supporters as well.

I agree with what Jason alludes to in this piece.

Will Hillary denounce and seperate from a President that lied under oath? A man so dishonest he lied no just to his country, but to his wife and child for God's sake.

I expect a week dedicated to this in the press, just as Obama has. The we can talk Whitewater, her Iraq vote, Flowers, Jones, etc.etc.et­c.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 03/18/2008

I disagree that he is in this spot and can not win either way. He choose to present himself as a positive person who could unite all people and make it a better world. Yet just like the NAFTA issue were you say one thing and then in private you tell folks that you did not mean it. Someone does not go to a church for 20 years unless he believes the message that is being said. Are these two clips out of a long career yes they are but if these were the exception not the rule then why did he distance himself from this man? Could this all been a caculated move for political gain? If thats the case then we have to ask him if he believes in anything at all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 03/18/2008

How can our great forefathers be slave owners?...­..How can Martin Luther King have been a womanizer? What about JFK and his womanizing.

People that you view as great men and women can have flaws that you overlook. Its not uncommon..­..the Bible and Quran have whole sections that are overlooked but many hold it as the most sacred thing in there life. You have known your own father and mother your whole life......­..do you think 100 percent like them? But you have been associated with them for so long???? At what point do people get judged on there own merit?

Lets not be hypocrites. If Obama's association with Rev. Wright makes you uncomfortable thats understandable and your entitled to that. But don't say thing like "OH THE HUMANITY!!! HOW COULD HE!!! There is NO way he could think that highly of him and not support ALL of his views"

People do what Obama did EVERY single day....whe­ther its your semi-racist ,anti-government, anti-religion , pro-aborition , anti abortion, pro gay rights, anti gay rights husband/wi­fe/father/­grandmothe­r/uncle/au­nt/brother­/sister.

Please stop acting like this is a "new horrible" thing. We all do have been in Obama's position to some extent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 03/18/2008
- bish66 I'm a Fan of bish66 4 fans permalink

Obama, since he lacks experience and a long record of achievements, runs on Hope, Change, Words and his good judgment. If he claims to be a uniter, then he has to deliver. Being associated with a man who clearly hates America and embraces Africa is not a good sign for a man who wants to become the President of the United States of America.

Not Black America or even Africa, but America.

We may have been in a similar situation to some extent, but Obama claims to be better than the rest, claims to have a better judgment, claims to stand for a new way in politics, but the closer you look, the more familiar does he appear to be. There is racism in the principles of his church, there is fault in his judgment when it comes to pick advisors and friends.

We are looking for a new President and the person we elect is supposed to unite the country, make the lifes of Americans easier, bridge gaps and open doors. With his current background, Obama is not that person, on the contrary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 03/18/2008
- babar77 I'm a Fan of babar77 2 fans permalink

This is a completely contradictory arguement you make. On one hand you say that he should pick advisors and friends that have always embodied what Obama speaks about and use that against him in his message for change.

If Obama - or anyone else for that matter - were agents of change, wouldn't that imply that people who completely agreed with his philosophies his entire life would be hard or difficult to come by? Wouldn't that mean that this agent of change would have to convince people to see things in a new light? Wouldn't it be completely logical then to say a person who is an agent of change would be surrounded by people who may not have agreed or said things in the past that doesn't jive with the message they are not associated with?

In order for someone to be an agent of change, they have to understand two things:

1) People have the ability to change

2) You have to accept the imperfect in yourself and others - because if what you are seeking is truly change - then it will take time to perfect. It cannot happen overnight, and there will be mistakes along the way.

If you are truly going to bridge gaps and open doors, you will have to eventually include people that don't always agree with you. You aren't bridging gaps if you only talk and associate with the people that absolutely agree with everything you say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 03/18/2008
- SickOfSpin I'm a Fan of SickOfSpin 3 fans permalink
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bish66--Rev. Wright hates America? Or was Rev. Wright attempting to shed light on some of America's weaknesses? You are delusional if you think for one moment that America is a faultless, guiltless nation, perfect in every way. It's interesting--if Rev. Wright actually hated America, how would it be that he served America honorably in the armed services? It is patriotic to evaluate America's activities around the world and treatment of its citizens here at home. It is blatantly unpatriotic to accept, and turn a blind eye to, situations that are systemically destructive because God forbid it would disclose that America is not perfect!

Barack Obama is our hope for the future. Not only has he demonstrated that he has good judgment and clarity of commitment, he has the moral courage to persevere even when it is met with resistance and ridicule. While it is difficult, he does not blow with the political wind, and he has demonstrated steadfast resolve when surrounded by those caving in to popular, albeit misguided, sentiment.

He is the candidate who has the ability to begin to build a coalition of like-minded citizens--those who value putting Americans back to work and assuring them of equitable, free trade, environmental protection, quality education, and decreasing dependency on foreign oil to name just a few.

YES WE CAN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 03/18/2008
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Here is my example of being in the same situation. My mother loves Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, when I visit her, I have to listen to them, however I end leaving the room, and can't believe she sits there and listens to them. She is still my Mother, I never agree with her in politcs, but she is my Rev. Wright. Its the same thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 03/18/2008
- lenoirlady I'm a Fan of lenoirlady 12 fans permalink

AND__ one of the best friends I have listens to Rush and O'Realy. Will I leave her off the guest list at Christmas Dinner? Not on your life. If she starts the Faux News BS, I'll let the more liberal of the friends take care of that by laughing. She can't stand that, but she continues to listen. We than talk about things of substance and creative ideas we each have - never "people". She does NOT effect me at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 03/18/2008
- Maddy08 I'm a Fan of Maddy08 3 fans permalink

I would like to say that I think Senator Obama will put this issue to rest. I also hope that Hannity is proud of the vicious and obsessive manner in which he has vilified Senator Obama. This man professes to be a Christian? Heaven help us all. Finally, Pat Buchanan is the most polarizing figure on cable news today. His negativity and racist comments ought to be taken to task, and we should also question the media and its attempt to thwart the hope for the future that is Barak Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 AM on 03/18/2008
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Sean Hannity is the one that started this Rev. Wright issue in the first place, I saw him do it last Wednesday night, the next day the rest of the MSM, went crazy with it.

I wrote Sean Hannity and Joe Scarborough a letter this morning, with their hypocritical views. These guys preach hate on their programs, Sean more than Joe, then critisize Rev Wright for his comments.
They pass so judgement without looking in the mirror or listening to themselves talk. Sickening and disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 03/18/2008

My favorite Pat Robertson gaff was when he said that a world famous gynecologist had assured him that dinosaur fossils were fake!

It is to laugh...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 03/18/2008
- Chinampas I'm a Fan of Chinampas 2 fans permalink

Where is David Duke when you need him?! Would he receive as much support from the liberals that Wright is receiving? I would like to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 03/18/2008
- VSamuels I'm a Fan of VSamuels 63 fans permalink

This is an apple and oranges comparsion. The KKK has a violent history of murder, lynching, bombing, rape, white superiority and separatism, Wright's language regardless how difficult and angry or raw in its content and delivery did not call upon or in action one member of Trinity to go out and wage racial conflict with anyone. The lesson in this matter, is the lack of perspective by some to be able to compare equal items with equal items, rather than distorting Wrights' words with a historically hateful and violent organization that once stood more than 1 million strong, and with its member radically objected to its own Constitution by declaring that 'separate but equal' was Americana.

One can not pull apart a few comments on Wright and begin the discussion here, the racial conversation goes back to the very foundation of this great nation, and to cite Wright outside of this history is mere folly and produces for me, the sense of the incredible natural tendencies of some to react, rather than to think and seek ways to produce a understanding of what we do not know.

My greater sense that some here are dedicated to wanting to move forward, but there are others here and on other boards, who aren't ever trying to heal, rather they use these moments to further forment their hatreds and old stalemates. They are the Sean Hannities, and Pat Buchanans and Rush Limbaughs who are so infested in the 'identity politics' of our time and who will never be satisfied with Obama because they can never overcome their own beliefs, values and norms that require others to believe as they believe, rather than to appreciate or face the realities of others are as valid and solid as the ones they expouse.

Obama goal is to move forward with those who are trying to bring forth with his presidency a new road for America. not all will agree but his mission must still move forward as they are millions of others who will join to making America become what it says it is suspose to represent. Obama also demonstrated great intelligence in calling out his critics who have made their livlihoods from disjoining people along race and gender, because for too long they have not been held to the same standard as the one they represent, sitting alone in a radio booth shooting off their mouths daily with rhetoric that does not produce any thing real or substantive to solving the problems of our time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 03/18/2008
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