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Obama: "Security Gap" Exists Between Rhetoric And Reality

Huffington Post   |   March 19, 2008 11:55 AM


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UPDATE: John McCain's camp has responded to Obama, saying his speech fails "National Security 101".

On McCain's Iran-Al-Qaeda flap:

"To say that invading Iraq was used as a recruiting tool for al Qaeda is one thing. To pretend that our defeat there won't provide an even bigger one is foolish supposition," Salter continued. "Iran, which trains Shia extremists and is known to arm and equip Sunni extremists, a fact Senator Obama is apparently unaware of, will also view our premature withdrawal as a victory, as will other countries in the region, and the biggest state supporter of terrorists, a country with nuclear ambitions and a stated desire to destroy the State of Israel, will see its influence in the Middle East grow significantly."

On McCain's Tactics:

"The reason violence is down is because General Petraeus' counterinsurgency is, which even Senator Obama recognizes, succeeding. Those 'tactics,' are advancing our 'strategy.' Deprive General Petraeus of the resources and manpower to employ those tactics, or worse, leave Iraq altogether, and our strategy will collapse," Salter said. "That is national security 101."

He said McCain will bring American forces home when U.S. interests in Iraq are safe, when al Qaeda is defeated, when Iran's influence is contained and civil war in Iraq is remote.

"That, I think, is what is called 'making us safer,'" Salter said. "Senator Obama's plan, if it can be charitably described as one, would do the reverse."

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On the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, Sen. Obama has offered a speech on the military future of the country. He attacked his opponents on their judgment and their political rhetoric, describing what might be considered an alternative standard for the "Commander-in-Chief test":

On McCain:

"These are the mistaken and misleading arguments we hear from those who have failed to demonstrate how the war in Iraq has made us safer," Obama said.

Just yesterday, we heard Sen. McCain confuse Sunni and Shiite, Iran and Al Qaeda. Maybe that is why he voted to go to war with a country that had no Al Qaeda ties. Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades.

On Clinton and McCain:

Senator Clinton says that she and Senator McCain have passed a "Commander in Chief test" - not because of the judgments they've made, but because of the years they've spent in Washington. She made a similar argument when she said her vote for war was based on her experience at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. But here is the stark reality: there is a security gap in this country - a gap between the rhetoric of those who claim to be tough on national security, and the reality of growing insecurity caused by their decisions. A gap between Washington experience, and the wisdom of Washington's judgments. A gap between the rhetoric of those who tout their support for our troops, and the overburdened state of our military.


It is time to have a debate with John McCain about the future of our national security. And the way to win that debate is not to compete with John McCain over who has more experience in Washington, because that's a contest that he'll win. The way to win a debate with John McCain is not to talk, and act, and vote like him on national security, because then we all lose. The way to win that debate and to keep America safe is to offer a clear contrast, and that's what I will do when I am the nominee of the Democratic Party - because since before this war in Iraq began, I have made different judgments, I have a different vision, and I will offer a clean break from the failed policies and politics of the past.

Nowhere is that break more badly needed than in Iraq.

He also put forward a new challenge to Sen. Clinton, suggesting that her call to end the Iraq does not constitute military judgment:

"Who do you trust to end a war: someone who opposed the war from the beginning, or someone who started opposing it when they started preparing a run for president?"

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Meanwhile, Sen. Reid's office has offered a comprehensive list of the costs of Iraq, and President Bush has offered a speech arguing that Iraq has been worth the price.


 
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- athy I'm a Fan of athy permalink

Here are details and link (not sure why its not working on original post I sent to Huff Post) to interview in the Village Voice where journalist asks Dr Susan Rice why she chose not to accept Sudan's offer to give US Osama Bin Laden back in 1996.

"Thanks, But No Thanks
How the U.S. Missed a Chance to Get Bin Laden"
by Jennifer Gould
October 30th, 2001
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0144,gould,29537,1.html

In my earlier post, I wrote that
I question the motives and the capabilities of some of Sen Obama"s foreign policy advisors including Dr Susan Rice and Zbigniew Brzezinski (ZB).

Dr Susan Rice- a 1986 Stanford graduate and Rhodes scholar with a doctorate from Oxford University. According to Richard Miniter, in his book "Losing Bin Ladden", wasn"t she a major opponent of accepting Sudan"s offer to turn over Osama Bin Laden
during 1996 to 1997? (During that time Dr Rice was the Clinton administration"s Secretary of State for African Affairs and she was a former assistant National Security Advisor under Sandy Berger.) Wasn"t it her personal beliefs on Sudan"s credibility that led her to do this? Didn"t her opinion to reject Sudan"s offer to turn over Osama Bin Laden overrule the opinion of Tim Carney- who was, at the time, ambassador to Sudan?
We still remember what happened on 9/11. Why has this not been brought up for public discussion



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 03/20/2008

What was Hillary's position on the Sudan offer?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 03/21/2008

Wait, let me guess:

!) Hillary was against the Sudan offer, like Bill Clinton and Susan Rice.

2) Hillary was for accepting the Sudan offer, but was overruled by Bill and Susan.

3) Hillary was not involved in Foreign Policy during her husband's presidencies, and had no knowledge of the Sudan offer.

4) Hillary was busy in an undisclosed meeting (perhaps regarding the pardons of FALN NYC terrorists...)

Gee, I'm pretty sure it's either 3 or 4 above. Can anyone help me decide which?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 03/21/2008
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McCAIN IS NOT A HERO because he was shot down but because of his treatment in prison.

McCain was a STINKING(excuse my venom) fighter pilot. If you want to talk about those who understand ground tactics, you need to talk about Grunts(foot soldiers/Marines/Special forces) and their officers as opposed to a fighter pilot who sits in a cozy plane killing people he/she doesn't have to see and flies back to a warm barrack/ship somewhere as opposed to going weeks without a shower and walking past people with their guts hanging out.

McCain's arrogance is bothering on Clinton's claim of 35years of experience. There are many presidents who never served in the military but hold the military in high regard. McCain can talk tough not because he is a fighter pilot, but because he was captured AAAND treated badly.

My heroes are those who go kick down doors and do the dirty work on the ground and those who pay the ultimate sacrifice in their service for our country. John Kerry is more of a Hero than McCain can claim to be as far as I am concerned.

I respect Sen. McCain's service and think he is a good man BUT HE IS NO ZINNI, SHINSHEKI, POWELL, KERRY, BUTLER, EISENHOWER, DALY, ROOSEVELT, MacAURTUR. He was a fighter pilot who graduated at the BOTTOM of his class and CRASHED(read about) a plane in school, so lets put things in perpective here and not get too carried away. Obama would rely on our Generals, as would Clinton, as would McCain and every other president before them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 03/20/2008

From where I sit not only don't the Republicans know National Security 101 - they are the party in power for the only attack on American soil, but they didn't pass - running a war 101. McCain;s military experience is spending 5 years looking at the ceiling of the Hanoi Hilton. He was in Viet Nam for less than a month when he was shot down - so much for his experience! Bush NEVER server, now has Cheney. They have taken us from being able to travel the world freely to making us unsafe in both the US and in the world. If you think this is National Security then I have some swamp land to sell to you.

I know more about National Security AND the military. After all I have been Married to a real Military Inantry Officer for 35 years, who managed to use skill and intelligence to say OUT of a POW camp!I think this makes me ready to lead on day 1. lol lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 03/20/2008

If you talk about the years McCain or Hillary have spent in Washington Obama - we think about the years you spent in the pew of Trinity United.

You are very out of touch with real Americans. You cannot disparage us any longer with your code words about Washington. The groups of people who accept these code words will continue to diminish. Listen and learn. Listen to Americans and how we feel.

Get the words of your adopted father out of your mind and listen to Americans.

Maybe in 20 years you will find the words that communicate with Americans. Maybe not. You'd have to stop preaching behind a pulpit and listen.

We are tired of listening to you talk down to real Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 03/20/2008

Sitting in the pews was a better strategy than McCain, Bush, Clinton had Rummy! You must be kidding if you thiink what we have witnessed in the last 7 years comes close to national security. Oh yea you are gullible and would rather believe what you hear than what YOU CLEARLY SEE! Real American my aZZZ. Your comments are disingenuous at best!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 03/20/2008

"Real Americans"?????

Go read the Constitution. We actually all are real Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 03/20/2008

You've been saying you're going to vote for McCain for months. You do not represent "real americans" - sorry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/20/2008


If Obama "fails to understand" the war in Iraq in the same manner as McCain, then that is a reason to be encouraged and hopeful about an Obama Presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 03/20/2008

Obama, have you ever been to Iraq to see for yourself?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 03/20/2008

Why dont' you get Hannity to look it up for you. After all , you get most of your news and views from him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 03/20/2008
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The answer is yes, he's been to Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 03/20/2008

Obama does not know, what he does not know. I am way too worried about our country right now.

I don't want someone in the White House "just learning" and messing with things he thinks he knows about, but doesn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 03/20/2008

Um, McCain repeatedly mixes up Shiite and Sunni, and can't tell you that Iran is NO friend of Al Quaeda. These are basic facts about the people we are supposed to be fighting against over there. It seems that McCain is "Just learning" or he just doesn't care who we fight as long as we're over there fighting for 100 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/20/2008

Right on. Today, didn't he refer to Canada as having a president instead of correctly using the term prime minister?

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Barack the Vote '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 03/20/2008

We already have that - it's Geroge Bush. Who the heck could mess up things worse than he has? lol lol You are kidding right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 03/20/2008

While I am no fan of McCain, and disagree strongly with him in his stand on the war, as someone who has never been in the military I would be loath to question his "understanding". Obama? How long did he spend in uniform?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 03/20/2008

As long as Hillary Clinton I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 03/20/2008
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Don't be a SISSY. McCain is a war Hero not because he was shot down because of his treatment in prison.

McCain a stinking fighter pilot. If you want to talk about those who understand ground tactics, you need to talk about Grunts(foot soldiers) and their officers as opposed to being in a cozy plane and
killing people you don't have to see and flying back to a warm barrack somewhere as opposed to going weeks without a shower and walking past people with there guts hanging out. John Kerry is the real deal he has been there and done that.

John Kerry is more of a Hero than McCain can claim to be as far as I am concerned. My heros are those who go kick down doors and do the dirty work on the ground and those who die in service.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 03/20/2008
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I could almost swear I posted the corrected version. Anyways pardon my omissions and errors. My longer comment is being held up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 03/20/2008

I trust Hillary more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 03/20/2008

Finally what you want Obama to say, oh wait its not about wright

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioYrNYsNUfY&eurl=http://www.taylormarsh.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 03/20/2008

Was that the wrong link?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 AM on 03/20/2008

Obama consistently criticized the divisive statements of both Imus and Wright. What's your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 03/20/2008

It is so sad that it is 2007 and forces are at work to make you, as free thinking Americans, look at Obama and see nothing but a black man. I look at Obama and see a unifying leader who will bring America back from the brink of self destruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 03/20/2008
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Except for the fact that it's 2008, this RED state, WHITE trash, BLUE collar Woman agrees whole-heartedly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 03/20/2008

Oh for pete's sake. To think that people only see Obama as a black man is so crazy. This IS now becoming a RACE card. Hey, if you support Obama, quit using that kind of crap. You won't be doing him any good. Baloney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 03/20/2008

Well, Geraldine Ferarro did say that Sen. Obama "would not be in this position if he were white", and that he's "lucky" to be black. If she sees Obama as something other than a black man, she sure didn't let on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 03/20/2008

According to Obama, a vote doesn't count and shouldn't if it's not for him. SEAT OUR DELEGATES! How can we support a candidate that stands in the way of revotes? How can we support a candidate with the big question mark, if he wins, of MI and FL always diminishing his legitimacy? For the sake of our party, both candidates need this revote or we'll lose Michigan and Florida. Obama will have a very hard time winning Ohio and I just don't know how many small red states Obama can win to fill that electoral void.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 03/20/2008

There's the kitchen sink again. Talk to those states' legislators in MI & FL. You're not required to support our guy, Barack. It's ok. We know you're a supporter of Mrs. Commander-In-Chief-From-Day-One-So-Pass-Me-The-Red-Phone.

With regards to your questions that begin "how can we" . . . we can through the audacity of hope.

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Our Guy, Obama in 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 03/20/2008

So, as the NY Times quotes that TV 30 Second spot for a campaign has risen to $278,000,
That means OBAMA got $16,168,000 worth of free air time!!!!!!

GIVE HILLARY CLINTON THE SAME FREEBIE!!!! 30 MINUTES OF AIR TIME FOR FREE!!!

Someone explain to me why he was allowed that free air time, during a campaign so it obviously benefits his run for the presidency. He is not ALREADY the PRESIDENT!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 03/19/2008

Yeah, but he's pretty daggone close. Monica provided Clinton enough airtime to last her for the rest of her life.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 03/20/2008

Your posts are creative and humorous. Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 PM on 03/20/2008

yeah, well I bet Obama (or Clinton) wouldn't get the names of the insurgents in Iran wrong...he's full of it, and is as deluded as bushco on Middle East policy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 03/19/2008
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The INSURGENTS are in Iraq and are Sunni, Shia Extremists are in Iran, and they hate one another ALMOST as much as they hate 'The West'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 03/20/2008

McCain isn't getting them "wrong". He's doing it intentionally to stump for the upcoming Iran War.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 03/20/2008

He's taking a great risk by not releasing a plan, or a brilliant calculation. I guess he doesn't want to give anymore smart tactics away. He's covering up his test paper to stop the cheating.... but it does make one nervous doing this before nomination. Quite the nail biter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 03/19/2008

Obama is moving in the right direction. Neither McCain nor Clinton are wise in the ways of solving the problems the war has caused nor solving the conflict in a way that diminishes radical Islam in Iraq. Iraqi society will have to solve it's differences among it's religious sects and tribal groups. America cannot do that.
The war itself is a waste of resources and talent not to mention lives ~ American, European and Iraqi. We do need a clean break from the neo-con vision that both Clinton and McCain represent! Vote Obama ... he's the best we have and will do what's wise!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 03/19/2008

Um, Obama has never had to deal with the war issues. He has only made a speech about them.
He has not done anything in his own committee for foreign affairs and NATO really needs him to do his part. So, in conclusion....we are waiting on some very necessary foreign involvement that Obama should be taking care of, and is not.

Obama hasn't even been a foot. What he knows is not from trying to make decisions, it is from standing back and saying OH....You did the wrong!

Not a good leader, only a good speaker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 03/20/2008
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