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Obama\'s Race Speech: Did He Win Over White Swing-Voters?

Obama's Race Speech: Did He Win Over White Swing-Voters?

March 19, 2008 09:13 AM


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Barack Obama's Tuesday speech directly addressing the controversy over his former pastor Jeremiah Wright -- and addressing as well broader issues of race and politics -- was, by all accounts, a major success. The Illinois senator forced to the surface controversies that have plagued Democrats for decades, creating an opening for the party to promote its agenda with less danger of stumbling over wedge issues.

In the view of most observers, Obama's address is likely to strengthen his bid for the nomination, demonstrating his ability to confront divisive issues of major importance to both blacks and whites within the Democratic coalition.

Left unresolved, however, is whether Obama has effectively dealt with the concerns that Reverend Wright's controversial comments -- "The government gives them [African Americans] the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strikes law and then wants us to sing 'God bless America"; "No, no, no, not 'God bless America,' God damn America" -- have raised among general election swing voters -- moderate-to-conservative working and middle class whites, a group that has been crucial to the outcome of past presidential contests.

African American political scientist Michael Dawson of the University of Chicago, one of the nation's leading experts on race and politics, called the address "a brilliant and comprehensive speech, perhaps the most comprehensive speech on race by a presidential candidate in probably at least a couple of decades."

He cautioned, however: "While I think [Obama's] combination of recounting his personal history and his own understanding of contemporary racialized social and political dynamics was sincere, substantive, and thorough, I wonder if it would be convincing to the middle class and working-class segments of the white community."

John Judis, author of The Emerging Democratic Majority, who has written extensively about the partisan leanings of a variety of demographic groups, said:

"It was a wonderful speech. Very gracious. I liked the fact that he didn't throw Wright to the dogs and didn't blame the racial fracas on Hillary. But I liked it for myself. Politically, I am not sure it addressed the people he needs to win over. Obama still talks as if the country is divided between black and white. I know he does the litany of black-white-brown-red-yellow, but it's not a reality to him that blacks are now a minority within a minority. There was nothing in that speech that spoke to Latinos. As for the white guy still not ready to contemplate a black president, his approach was largely academic -- about 'their' resentments against welfare in the '80s. He didn't speak TO them. His last example was telling. A 23-year-old Obama supporter. Not someone that any of these constituencies could identify with. He is still fundamentally a candidate of the professional classes who were products of the civil rights movement. He hasn't made that step beyond that he would need to make to win a majority in November."

For Ruy Teixeira, co-author with Judis of The Emerging Democratic Majority, Obama's words hit the bulls' eye: "Very positive. He said all the right things necessary to connect this brouhaha back to the central theme and theory of his campaign: transcending racial and ideological divisions to unite America and solve problems."

Unlike Judis, Teixeira contended that Obama's "discussion of the resentments of the white working class was particularly good--his assessment of where they came from and what they really represent (certainly not simple racism) was spot on and I think will find a receptive audience among these voters. If they hear it, that is to say."

Conservatives were less generous in their assessment.

Writing on National Review Online, Victor Davis Hanson of Stanford's Hoover Institution argued that "to Obama, the postmodernist, context is everything. We all have eccentric and flamboyant pastors like Wright with whom we disagree. And words, in his case, don't quite mean what we think; unspoken intent and angst, not voiced hatred, are what matters more. Rather than account for his relationship with a hate-monger, Obama will enlighten you, as your teacher, why you are either confused or too ill-intended to ask him to disassociate himself from Wright."

On the progressive end of the ideological spectrum, David Corn, Washington Bureau Chief for Mother Jones, wrote, "[W]ith this address, Obama presented a candid approach to race. Still, there's no telling if this will help him in his fierce battle with Hillary Clinton--let alone in a general election, should he secure the Democratic presidential nomination. ...With this speech--and throughout his campaign--as he merges his own story with the story of race in America, he is presenting himself also as 'black and more than black.' And that is a story with no ending yet."

Darren Davis, a Notre Dame political scientist, was much less equivocal. "I thought Obama's speech was incredible. I think it will resonate with middle-class white voters. Specifically, Obama acknowledged the resentment of whites and how they, too, are victims of divisive politics, globalized markets, and opportunistic media pundits."

The most effusive of all, however, was Hardball's Chris Matthews, speaking on camera:

"A speech worthy of Abraham Lincoln....what I personally view as the best speech ever given on race in this country. One that went beyond "I have a dream," to "I have lived the dream but have also lived in this country...." It grabbed me. It was ripping the scab off in a good way.... This is the kind of speech that first graders should see, people in the last year of college should see before they go out in the world."


 
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OK - he reached out and Democratic voters will respond and decide. And we get to talk about it all.

Courageous. Hardly. I was at the March On Washington to hear the "I Have A Dream" speech. People with courage DO things other than talk. Dr King was courageous for the things he did. There were years of marches, prison, humiliation.

The speech encouraged a new identity to those who listened and were moved. Dr King tried to teach us to judge one another on the basis of character - not skin color. I do not vote based on skin color.

Voting - thank god - does not require courage. Thank you great country of mine - that I have the vote to express my choices in government.

I knew Dr King. Obama is no Dr King.

We need to focus on the class struggle. We really need Hillary to defeat Obama. She listens to us.

I think of the labor struggles in this country. This was the movement I respect the most from our history. These racial, gender and age divides are useless at this point in our history. What we can come together on is the class issues.

I hate Obama bringing up the race issue like we are all suppose to vote for him because of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 03/20/2008

Obama didn't choose to deliver that speech for the fun of it. But, I, for one, am glad he did. It was inspiring and honest. I doubt Hillary is capable of such honesty. I'm certain she hasn't the depth of feeling and sensitivity. It's her world and we just live in it.

Hillary listens to the almighty dollar. She and Bill came to Washington with their palms outstretched and took everything that they could. Her Rovian tactics and win at any cost strategy threaten to tear the party apart but then again, if she can't be the party's candidate, then she'll happily destroy the party. She is the most destructive politician in decades and by far the least liked or trusted.

Open your eyes, Hill is only in this position because of Bill. There are more qualified, more experienced and more trustworthy women who she skated by - again, because of Bill. She acts as if she's earned this and that is a joke.

If she's the best we have to offer, it's time to register Independent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 03/21/2008

"Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true. "

Martin Luther King Jr

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 03/21/2008

Independents generally dont like candidates that play the race and religious card that much.
He may be able to keep his Senate seat. He uses his church effectively for his state races.
I think Obama should have been apologizing instead of lecturing us.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 03/20/2008

I thought it a was a good speech. But this line towards the end really irked me:

-----Now Ashley might have made a different choice. Perhaps somebody told her along the way that the source of her mother's problems were blacks who were on welfare and too lazy to work, or Hispanics who were coming into the country illegally. But she didn't. She sought out allies in her fight against injustice.----

It is as if whites stupidly blame all of their problems on Blacks and Latinos. That to me shows such a profound misunderstanding of the white community it is incredible. I'm pretty sure even racist whites don't blame blacks when they lose their health insurance. I thought it ruined a good, but somewhat long and boring speech that stated the obvious.

The media is drinking the Kool-aid on this. I'm not a Clinton supporter .. well I'd like to have Bill back... but I am able to think independently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 03/20/2008

Who are you kidding?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 03/20/2008
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Go talk to a few racist whites. They do blame blacks and Hispanics for the cost of health care. I've confronted some of these people and one of their favorite myths is that the reason health costs are rising is because so many blacks and Hispanics are using emergency rooms for treatment.

These days they blame Hispanics for just about everything else, too, including the state of public education, high taxes, you name it.

You may be able to "think independently," but you need some more input about what others - such as these racists - are thinking, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 03/20/2008

Meet Obama's next pastor problem, the Reverend James Meeks. A delegate for Obama and a member of the Illinois State Senate.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Rev.James.Meeks.2.330702.html

Obama is finished.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportPopup.aspx?g=c9ce82e9-4cb0-4b64-983c-509ce4fc0ee6&q=45558

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 03/20/2008

Please read on the Huffpost Hillary's nasty pastorate it is really very interesting

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 AM on 03/20/2008

I read it more garbage on the Huff Obama.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

Throw in the towel. Obama is done. A SUSA poll in Kentucky has Obama down to 28%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 AM on 03/20/2008

More ado about nothing...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 03/21/2008

"Wait, our guilt_by_association meme isn't finished! We've got more dirt for you to sift through!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 03/21/2008

He won over this white male swing voter. I've never voted Democratic for a president. I voted for Bush Jr. once, but not twice. But I've been an Independent for eight years and now I'm now an "Obama Independent."

If Hillary were to find some way to swing the superdelegates away from Obama and win the nomination, I would be in a bad way. But most likely I would end up voting for McCain because, as much as I detest Bush/Cheney, I believe I can trust McCain more than I can trust Clinton. He is less cynical and more genuine.

~Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 AM on 03/20/2008

When I was 13 years old, I walked out of the Catholic Church because the Priest said something negative about other religions in his sermon. He was talking about my friends. I did not go back even when my family tried to force me. I am now very senior in age and I have never regretted my decision.

How can I respect or vote for someone who stayed and listened to such awful things for 20 years. If he did not support all of the American people regardless of race at that time, how can we believe that he will support all of the American people as President. His words do not reflect his actions. As my Grandmother used to say, "Actions speak louder than words."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 AM on 03/20/2008

"if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way." Senator Barack Obama

One way you can respect and vote for him is to accept him at his word that he did not hear Wright say the words in the video clips while he was there.

The other issue is that if you are going to condemn Obama, you have to condemn Hillary and McCain because they are associated with religious figures who have made condemnable statements as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 03/21/2008

He fired the pastor so what is your point?

You didn't and won't vote for Obama cause you're a racist. You gladly vote for the idiot Bush who is selling our country to international corporations faster than they can count. 4 trillion and counting! You didn't say a peep when Bush's racist face spoke from the pulpit of BOB JONES UNIVERSITY during his campaign! where they practice racism till today by not allowing Black and White to date and limiting Black admission!!!!! YOU OBAMA-HATERS ARE ALL A BUNCH OF CHUMPS! What is Obama gonna do? Run away with the country?!

If you don't believe in the checks and balances in the Constitution of the United States then maybe you should move to another country! All this ramble about being afraid of Obama or his pastor is pure bunk! What the hell army, navy, Airforce or Marines does this pastor have? WHAT Exactly is it that Obama is going to do that is going to be unpatriotic as President? Abdicate his duties like Bush on 9-11?!

If we consider this current idiot, Obama just showing up to work more days instead of the frequent vacations Bush takes would be worthy of applaudits!

Since when has America been "The Home of the Chumps" /(Strike)/ Brave?

Get a grip America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 AM on 03/20/2008

My favorite is when "experience" is used as justification for not voting for Obama "after voting for a democrat for 110 years". It's code for "I just can't vote for that colored boy, I just can't". It's time to call people on their prejudice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 03/21/2008

The voters that liked BO before the speech will still like him. The ones that did not like him will still not like him. Those whose minds are changed by ONE speech are usually not the ones watching or listening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 AM on 03/20/2008

Great speech, BUT Senator Obama's actions don't jibe with his words.

He says that his grandmother made racially sterotyped remarks and feared black men who passed her in the street. He said he was embarrassed but he doesn't say that he raised any objections..

Then we have his twenty years as a parishioner in Trinity United which, according to its website, had a philosophy based upon the notion of Black self-sufficiency. The Rev. Wright , Obama's pastor, sressed the Black Value System, Black Liberation theology and Africa-centrism. Sounds very much like Black Separatism to me, and as far as I can tell, the Senator did not find it objectionable enough to work for a change.

Senator Obama may talk unity and the erasure of racial barriers, but until he enered the race for the nomination, he reacted passively in real life situations when faced with polarized attitudes. He's an impassioned orator, but he seems to go along to get along.

I propose that Senator Obama be elected to the Oratorical Hall of Fame not the presidency of the United States of America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 03/20/2008

I have never heard George Bush denounce Falwell, Robertson, or Huckabee for their bigoted statements. I have never heard anyone in the GOP denounce these and other "religious leaders" of white evangelical groups when they made looney or hateful statements. The Republicans can't even shut horrible Ann Coulter up when she calls people "faggots" because she happens to disagree with what they think, or shush Rush Limbaugh for lying on the air about Democrats and calling it "spin." For the past seven years, Americans have been told over and over that any negative comment on a preacher is "Christian bashing." I guess it all depends on whether the looney making the remarks is white or black, and whether the politician in the pew is making some headway on getting elected. Until the right denounces its hate-mongering "pastors" I don't think bashing Wright, or Obama for listening to him (not agreeing but listening), is cause for complete disillusionment. And I dislike Wright for his stupidity as much as I do Falwell for the Teletubbies remarks, or Hickabee for saying all AIDS patients should be quarantined, or Robertson for saying God would send a hurricane or tornado down on a city because they were having a Gay Pride Parade.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 03/20/2008

No. We'll have to wait for the next great Black hope. I voted for Obama in the CA primary, but if I knew then what I know now I would have voted for Clinton 44.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 03/19/2008

What do you know now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 03/19/2008

What is it that you know now? That Barack Obama is willing to lose votes rather than to throw over a man who is human and flawed and imperfect as the rest of us are? That he has some loyalty to a man who is neither all good nor all bad? That Obama feels that it is unfair for him to be judged not on his own words or deeds, but based on the words and deeds of someone else? How would we feel if WE were all held to those same lofty standards? Even you? There have been many flawed and yet beloved religious leaders-- Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Rev. Hagee, etal come immediately to mind. But, of course, you and HRC have never associated with people who made unwise and unworthy comments. You and she have every right to judge and cast the killing stones because you are totally sinless yourselves. In my humble opinion, only GOD knows what is truly in any of our hearts, including Obama's. And, as long as McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama continue to do more good than harm, they all deserve the benefit of the doubt and NOT to be judged based on the actions of others. Mike Huckabee took the high road on this issue. Perhaps if I had known then what I know now, I might have voted for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 03/20/2008

What do you know now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 03/20/2008

If there is one thing that people cannot stand it is a hypocrite. Look at how quick Spitzer went down because he was a hypocrite. When Obama actually came out and took a stand on the taking away a man's livelyhood and the only life that he knew, even after he appeared on Rev Sharpton and literally BEGGED for forgiveness, while at the same time knowingly sitting inside this church listening to pastor Wright spew HIS hatred and RACIST comments, to me is appalling. What was this man thinking? What kind of judgement does that show. Why would an influencial man like that get up on ABC News and condeming the same thing he was involved in up to his eyeballs. SHOCKING!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 03/20/2008

Looking at your profile you have allways supported Clinton, please read your own profile before you make a fool of yourself again thank you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 03/20/2008

Nice catch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 AM on 03/20/2008

Yes, words do matter. And for 20 years you condoned these words, 20 years, where was your judgement? On Thursday you said you had never heard these words while you were in a pew, Four days later you say you did. Yes words matter and lies matter. Yes words matter. Painting your grandmother as a racist, yes words matter, slandering the black church, yes words do matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 03/19/2008

It's like no one researches anything - they just hear the one liners.

I heard from numerous parishioners that this Minister, as my Priests, normally deliver the peace and love message. Then occassionally, when something pops up in the news, they spout off, as politicians do, with all kinds of 'stuff'. As Obama says so do I. I do not throw my congregation under the bus but stick around till we come around to calmer waters. I do this with my kids, husband, siblings and oh yes a brother of mine who more often than not I would like to smack him up side the head.

They're mine, the church is mine, my neighbors are mine, and in good time we come to know we love each other. God made so may of these hard to take people he must have loved them also. Then - I rmember that the Christ Jesus I believe in was a definate rebel against the status quo.

Lastly I thank God that there is in this Country the freedom to say anything I want to about my government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 AM on 03/20/2008

"Hillary's Nasty Pasorate" read it on huffpost. "Clinton's to face fraud trial, The clinton legacy" read them on the web

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 AM on 03/20/2008

I am always amazed that obama supporters, when cornered with their guy's foibles, alway turn it back to: well hillary does this....

puttiing down hillary doesn't elevate your guy. we are talking about 20 years of tacitly condoning hate speech.

there were plenty of churches in chicago, many that were muliti-cultural. the minute he heard that hate speech, he would have been out the door if he truely believed in the speech he gave.



I don't buy his explaination any more than I buy his rationale that all americans have to do is ask(demand) of their government and things will change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 03/20/2008

That was Hillary's Nasty Pastorate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 03/20/2008

Yes, words do matter -- such as Hillary stating "WITH CONVICTION" that she would authorize Bush to invade Iraq... and this, after she had failed to even read the NIE Reports available about Saddam Hussein. Where's Hillary's judgment and how can the American people trust her "lifetime of experience"? Words do matter, and Hillary's words are not comforting to the majority of Dem voters!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 03/20/2008

Words do matter so get yours right about Sen. Obama.

Obama said he heard Wright say controversial things he disagreed with while in church, but "the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America..."


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 03/21/2008

I am White and Jewish. I am a democrat.

There has always only been ONE hope for America.

Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 03/19/2008

But what about Bob Hope?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 AM on 03/20/2008

I find it rather disturbing how people call other people "Troll" on this blog for disagreeing with their point of view which seems to be so unbelievably narrow minded in the first place. Don't just get sucked in to the nomination. It is a Democratic Party thing. That means that the republicans have to be overcome so america can stop sliding further into the dept abyss and this unecessary war will finally be put to an end. Is Hillary able to beat McCain? In Texas you could find an awful lot of republicans go and vote for hillary because they know that she can't beat McCain in the actual elections. And even if she does, the hatred of the clintons (and you know it will be a 2 for one ticket) among the republicans is so strong that congress won't be able to operate and nothing get's done at all. and then the republicans will turn around and blame it all on the democrats or or worse and in the end you'll get the same crap all over again. you have to vote for who will get things done and who will be able to actually swing republican votes in order to turn things around in this country and balance the check book. if that person is a guy who has a hateful pastor then so be it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 03/19/2008

yes after mccain's nomination over 24% of republicans started to vote for clinton in the primary, they know mccain can beat clinton in the general election

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 03/20/2008

I also think he can beat Oblahma, the Dems are in real trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 03/20/2008

I have always held a deep seated fear that white Americans would never vote for a Black man. My 78 year old grand father held his breath. What kills me is that the sermons that have looped over and over are extraordinarily truncated and simplified. I have sat in that self same church for the last 8 years with my WHITE best friend and have stood and clapped or shook my head in shame. For the most part I came to worship a living Christ. All were welcome. All are welcome.
For heaven;s sake the denomination is mostly European. People from Germany and elswhere in Europe come often. Reverend Wright speaks French, German and Swahili. He is a Marine. He has 4 doctorates...from respectable Universities. Our church is open and Affirming of gays and lesbians. I only wish they would show these sermons in their entireties. I wish they would show the hundreds of others. You can buy books written by the man and find little that is hate filled.

These tape loops are not new. One sermon was delivered in 2001. Another in 2003. The final in July of this YEar. They are on the internet every sunday and availble for purchase. WHy would anything reportedly evil be done so publicly? See for yourself. Watch sermons on tucc.org on Sundays. Watch the whole thing and you won;t see hate-filled people burning the flag. Instead you will see a congregation that is sing praises to Jesus, crying out for help and rightfully questioning a country that ignored the terrorism of thousands of African Americans from Florida toOhio, to California well after the Emancipation Proclamation. When were YOUR ancestors dragged form a prison or their home and lynched whiel CROWDS of whites with their children looked on? This is not crazy rhetoric, there are postcards. Whites in America sent them for souvenirs (Google *Without Sanctuary). Our country still has not apologized and with or without Rev. Wright, we are angry. But we live and we love. we mend bridges but we are afraid of you. On sundays, we go home to release and pray for salvation from God, our only true deliverer thus far.

Yes, I know there are typoes and this is long. Please leave it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 03/19/2008

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638

Irish Slavery
by
James F. Cavanaugh

By 1632, Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat in the West Indies. By 1637 a census showed that 69% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves

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If Queen Elizabeth I had lived in the 20th Century. she would have been viewed with the same horror as Hitler and Stalin. Her policy of Irish genocide was pursued with such evil zest it boggles the mind of modern men. But Elizabeth was only setting the stage for the even more savage program that was to follow her, directed specifically to exterminate the Irish. James II and Charles I continued Elizabeth"s campaign, but Cromwell almost perfected it. Few people in modern so-called "civilized history" can match the horrors of Cromwell in Ireland. It is amazing what one man can do to his fellow man under the banner that God sanctions his actions!

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After the Battle of Kinsale at the beginning of the 17th century, the English were faced with a problem of some 30,000 military prisoners, which they solved by creating an official policy of banishment. Other Irish leaders had voluntarily exiled to the continent, in fact, the Battle of Kinsale marked the beginning of the so-called "Wild Geese", those Irish banished from their homeland. Banishment, however, did not solve the problem entirely, so James II encouraged selling the Irish as slaves to planters and settlers in the New World colonies. The first Irish slaves were sold to a settlement on the Amazon River In South America in 1612. It would probably be more accurate to say that the first "recorded" sale of Irish slaves was in 1612, because the English, who were noted for their meticulous record keeping, simply did not keep track of things Irish, whether it be goods or people, unless such was being shipped to England. The disappearance of a few hundred or a few thousand Irish was not a cause for alarm, but rather for rejoicing. Who cared what their names were anyway, they were gone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 03/20/2008
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I am Irish American and have always been fascinated by some of the parallels in African and Irish history. The major difference between the two experiences is that American slavery became, for the most part, confined to Africans and Native Americans because it was far easier to enslave and dehumanize people that could be categorized by skin color. The Irish began to assimilate and move out of slavery within a generation or so, because they looked European. The real trick was the way that the Irish and the African were pitted against each other very early on in order to distract from their common plight of exploitation. The Irish never had to deal with institutionalized slavery and Jim Crow, and as a result of their skin color were able to amass wealth and assimilate into the mainstream. The African was enslaved for generations and because of Jim Crow laws did not have upward mobility after they were freed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 03/20/2008

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638

Irish Slavery
by
James F. Cavanaugh

Although African Negroes were better suited to work in the semi-tropical climates of the Caribbean, they had to be purchased, while the Irish were free for the catching, so to speak. It is not surprising that Ireland became the biggest source of livestock for the English slave trade.
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In the 12 year period during and following the Confederation revolt, from 1641 to 1652, over 550,000 Irish were killed by the English and 300,000 were sold as slaves, as the Irish population of Ireland fell from 1,466,000 to 616,000. Banished soldiers were not allowed to take their wives and children with them, and naturally, the same for those sold as slaves. The result was a growing population of homeless women and children, who being a public nuisance, were likewise rounded up and sold. But the worse was yet to come.

In 1649, Cromwell landed in Ireland and attacked Drogheda, slaughtering some 30,000 Irish living in the city. Cromwell reported: "I do not think 30 of their whole number escaped with their lives. Those that did are in safe custody in the Barbados." A few months later, in 1650, 25,000 Irish were sold to planters in St. Kitt. During the 1650s decade of Cromwell"s Reign of Terror, over 100,000 Irish children, generally from 10 to 14 years old, were taken from Catholic parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In fact, more Irish were sold as slaves to the American colonies and plantations from 1651 to 1660 than the total existing "free" population of the Americas!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 03/20/2008

It is the purest form of bigotry for Clinton and Hanity and Limbaugh and Scarboro to push those 20 second snippets again and again and again...

I am voting for Obama...

Friends that were undecided after watching how the republicans and Hillary have handled the Obama thing, have made up their mind. They will not vote for anyone with the racist baggage Clinton and McCain have following them around.

Bill Clinton, America's 'first black president' and our elder statesman has abdicated his job, the one job he owes us...he should have spoken up immediately to quell the racist feeding frenzy.... but he did not, because he and Hillary want the presidency bad enough to do anything, tolerate anything, to get it.

McCain, bless his heart, did speak up, because he has his own problems with spiritual advisors.

But he didn't stop Scarboro and Limbaugh, et al. Cause he wants the presidency that bad.

I saw Obama's loyalty, his citizenship, his christianity in his actions... actions to condemn the
speech, but not the speaker, and to let us all know, the ball is in our court now. Its our government he wants us to take back. Its up to us if we can get over this divide or not.

That is the judgement I want as President.

I am voting for Obama, and more and more of my friends are understanding he is the only
true candidate for president.

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