Can Clinton Win The Popular Vote?

Politico:

The apparent collapse of planned new votes in Florida and Michigan could push victory on a key symbolic measure -- the primary season popular vote -- beyond Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's grasp.

Clinton's top supporters, including her husband, have suggested in recent days that amassing more votes than Sen. Barack Obama, while it has no formal meaning, could offer a key rationale for laying claim to the nomination. The theory: Winning the popular vote might give party leaders known as superdelegates a reason to take the nomination away from Obama, who is virtually sure to earn more pledged delegates.

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Comments

[SShaw490]

I don't know what the fixation is with popular vote - for one thing, the race is for delegates, not specifically votes; and for another, caucuses in which Obama ran the table sometimes don't even report votes, just delegates, and even when they do report votes, the turnout is always much, much lower than a primary. So it's an apples-oranges comparison.

BTW, Bill Clinton impunged Barack Obama's patriotism today - something like "it would be great to have two candidates like Clinton and McCain running for president who both love their country". I'm so proud that I've never voted for a Clinton in my life and I'm so happy I never will. The man is pure scum. To say that Barack Obama doesn't love his country, after the Clintons have used the American government and the American people as a combination profit center and power brokerage for 25 years, is unforgivable.

[trevor01]

The popular vote would seem to be a pretty good indicator of the people's preference particularly in a race that features exclusionary caucuses and energizer Obamabots that never get tired because most of them don't have jobs yet.

[pikakeskin]

Is anybody offended in here by Obama's saying, "typical white person?"

[NoahVail]

No. However, I am offended by your question. Just what do you mean by it?

[MadeinAmericaProud]

No,

Now we know former co-workers and employees all ran as fast as they could to the person Mr.
Clinton is advertising to the media to start showing no flag pins and anything else to trash or cut your head off.

Mr. Clinton (form impeached president)so wants the white house for a 3rd term, so I can tell the republicans to just kiss my bumper, just kiss it. He want this 3rd term so bad he is will to insult all the American people who voted for Sneator Obama and will vote in November the same. Then we will be forced to vote for Hillary.

[slow2]

pika,

Anyone who understands and has experienced instutionalized racism and bigotry in this century and the past century would be offended if "typical white person" were NOT defined by Barack Obama.

Men and women born from, say 1920 forward, in the deep south, or heartland, or away from the cosmopolitan cities of say NYC or Miami or New Orleans etc., have grown up and experienced the inherent racism implied by that. These people, if they are "typical white people" have attended segregated schools, movies, and have ridden buses where black people were forced to sit in the back of the bus.

Many of us know and understand that, as children, our teachers and parents and anyone in authority, educated us to avoid and to possibly hate and fear black people. That is a very real fact of life; so, yes, we understand the phrase "typical white people" and we are not offended that Barack had the guts to bring it up. It needed to be said, and some of us get it.

There was an ordinary, typical and disgusting racism in many areas of our country. That is true. We need to understand, cope, change and move forward. Barack Obama is the leader to accomplish this.

[DennyCrane]

Her unlikable rating is already pretty high. Just imagine how much higher it'll go if she were the nominee and the rightwing and Fox News could focus all their attention on her.

[rojo7449]

The states with caucus systems don't have a popular vote count to include in the national figures. Maybe she can. Maybe she has. Obama's camp doesn't want to find out, so they are blocking the votes of millions of Americans.

[SCG]

Can Clinton Win The Popular Vote?

if her name is the only choice on the ballot.

[BeyondGoodAndEvil]

Just like Michigan, she'd probably think that's "fair".

[MadeinAmericaProud]

I think the Media and pollsters have already taken the survey who will vote for her,

white males, uneducated and those with blue collars, latinos

Maybe the educated whites will , the media didn't state anyone else votes, that's American still keeping the media making money so I guess for some people it is ok to insulted being slotted in boxes with label. I am an American.

Media and youtube advertised the following:

all blacks are now known to be racist being lead by Rev.racist Wright they don't want or need their votes.

As an American, I do not fit in any box with those labels. Since I do not, no.

[slow2]

SCG,

Excellent point; and of course hers was the only name many could vote for in the illegal primary...­the rest of the candidates consented to the rules.

[joh]

SCG,

[robeson]

Only if the illiteracy rate is at an all time high.

[bitabingbitabangbitaboom]

The Clintons only true validity might well be an egocentric view of reality...­..........­..........­....

[kipmartin]

ive noticed that posters on all sides of this nomination process talk about whow has the better chance at winning. Clinto supporters claim, cite polls, and present arguments as to why Hillary is best poised to win the presidency if nominated. McCain supporters do the same, citing polls, exit surveys, even Rush Limbaugh as their unimpeachable truth. Obama supporters are positive only their candidate has enough positives to beat McCain. they cite polls, craft highly logical proofs, and have analyzed their candidate into the Oval Office.

THIS JUST IN!!!! most polls have been wrong in this caucus/primary cycle. most supporters are gung ho and are doing more to convince themselves of victory, and the Media isnt really favoring anyone. i see plenty of liberal AND conservative reporting promoting the eventual success of Obama, what to watch out for with Hillary, and why McCain shouldnt be taken for granted.

the fact is, we just dont know. it appears Obama has the numbers. it also seems like Hillary is getting momentum. and it sure looks like McCain is profiting the most by the Obama/Clinton feud. but even so, we just dont know.

im thinking it aint over til its over and we need to move out of this negativity rut and start promoting the candidate we believe in. for me, thats Obama. but i wont say he's got it sewn up. theres just no way to tell.

[pikakeskin]

Texas primary/caucus totals will not even be shown until JUNE. You are right. "It ain't over til it's over"

[SShaw490]

The primary results are in. The caucus results are not. Obama won the caucus, we just don't know how many delegates he picked up.

[NeverRepublican]

I would like to know why Obama got 30 mintues of FREE AIR TIME for his "religious" speech.

To keep it fair...Hil­liary Clinton deserves 30 minutes of FREE AIR TIME for a speech.

Obama did not pay for that air time. And that strikes me very odd...like it should to anyone.

Hilliary Clinton deserves 30 minutes of FREE AIR TIME...and I suppose McCain does too...but he can use his time to reiterate his imcompentencies.

Clinton '08.

[ReasonIsMyReligion]

Good one.

[sarahaw]

But... who wants to hear her speak for 30 minutes? And what would she talk about?? I know I'd be asleep in 3 minutes, tops. And who wants to hear McCain speak for that long? Heck, it would cut into his nap time and the country would be reduced to catatonia by the number of times he repeats, "My friends...­"

Sorry, just couldn't resist. =)

Take care all.

[NeverRepublican]

Turn the channel. The fact is...Obama­...got a free ride...aga­in. According to NY Times...a 30 second spot cost around $270,000. It didn't cost him a dime. And he spent 30 minutes giving a lack-luste­r...non-in­spiring sheech. Re-run Martin Luther King...if we want to listen to someone who had a REAL VISION...I­'ll take King anyday.

The point is...Obama recieved a FREE RIDE...jus­t like he has for this entire campaign. It's an outrage...­but...

He continues to not have to answer for any of his votes or positions on ANYTHING..­..reminds me of the bush campaign 2000.

[Ramirez]

That's actually a very good point. I'm not going to vote for Obama but he's the only one of the three who can hold an audience for 30 minutes.

CNN should run the "Obama Speech of the Day" everyday at 2pm. Think of the ad revenue.

And give the Lou Dobbs Hour of Misery over to Rev. Wright and his Traveling Salvation Show. Heck, I'd watch that.

[2belinda]

Didn't Sen Clinton give a speech on Iraq the day before Sen Obama gave his speech ?

[riverhouse]

Warning: Headlines the next day read "Mass Suicides All Across America As Hillary Clinton Gives 30 Minute Speech".

[ReasonIsMyReligion]

Sarcasm alert:

Given the Repuke proficiency at stealing elections -- both 2000 and 2004 -- why wouldn't we want the candidate most proficient at doing the same?

Let the better gamester prevail.

[Opus007]

McCain has been really stumbling lately. It's hard to believe that anyone would vote for him.

[Shaddup]

No

[ballewb]

I cannot believe how many people will switch their vote to another party if their candidate is not chosen in the primary. In fact, I do not believe you. I hope that this is either posturing or a temporary fervor that will be overcome by the realization of what we have to lose as a country and how much we have already lost at the hands of this Republican administration.

The idea of switching from your party, where you have two candidates whose stated positions are not a hair's breadth apart on most issues, to the party with a candidate pledging to continue the disaster of the past eight years is ridiculous. The Reps are giddy with excitement at the possiblity.

How much sense does it make to complain about the course of the country, but vote to keep continue it because you did not get the face of the party that you wanted?

How much sense does it make to adopt neocon talking points, against the actual evidence, to defame someone in your own party?

I can think about many things I don't like about either candidate on the Dem side, but I would vote for a pig in a dress before I vote to continue the destruction of this country at the hands of another Republican president.

[Opus007]

Look at the photo of Hillary. She's got the Republican smirk down.

[riverhouse]

She's having this fantasy that she's GWB.

[Egghead]

First of all, Obama's leading in the popular vote, too.

And secondly, he is and will be leading in pledged delegates. It's a delegate race. Those are the rules, and Nancy Pelosi reminded us of them.

[resonate]

Lets just hope the backbone of Pelosi stands up to the corrupt Clinton/Bush power structure that has run off the America as we know it in the past few decades. If Hillary gets the nomination there will be hell at the convention and I know I wont bother voting. Its its between Hillary and McCain there is no difference.

Obama 08!
Watch videos of Obama on all kinds of issues PLEASE:
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=900C5EDCAF3C292A

[ReasonIsMyReligion]

Backbone? Pelosi?

Same sentence?

Who do you think is protecting the Bush Crime Syndicate?

[NeverRepublican]

Lucky for Obama...Fl­orida didn't count...Cl­inton 49.7% Obama 33% Edwards 14%.

If Florida would have counted...­Obama would be looking at second place...mo­re than likely would have lost Michigan as well.

[pikakeskin]

Am I the only one who has figured out that these primaries held outside of the DNC policy, BY REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS, was done deliberately knowing this kind of thing would happen? I mean c'monnnnn. Those governors of Michigan and Florida should be held accountable.