The Clinton Myth: Nomination All But Unachievable

The Clinton Myth: Nomination All But Unachievable

Politico   |  JIM VANDEHEI and MIKE ALLEN   |   March 21, 2008 01:54 PM


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One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.

Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party's most reliable constituency.


 
 

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- vsign See Profile I'm a Fan of vsign

Hillary is red, white and blue. Obama can be painted green (for inexperience), yellow (for being whimpy and whinee), and black (for race).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 03/25/2008
- vsign See Profile I'm a Fan of vsign

Hillary is red, white, and blue. Obama can be painted as green (for inexperience), and yellow (for being whimpy and whining), and black (for making us think about race when we don't want to).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 03/25/2008
- strifeknot See Profile I'm a Fan of strifeknot

Did you pick up your stupidity and racism from your mommy and daddy or from some other unseemly influence?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 03/25/2008
- Whinger See Profile I'm a Fan of Whinger

Living in the past, hoping that those "Good Ole Boys" will come to her rescue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 03/25/2008
- Plowboy See Profile I'm a Fan of Plowboy

With around 900 delegates left to be gained, Obama needs abour 400 to win. Unless Hillary has some more big bad dirtbags to explolde, he should do it. But she has to keep attacking because she is that kind of person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 03/25/2008
- Grannysue See Profile I'm a Fan of Grannysue

Hillary, sorry but even new math won't help get you elected so I guess it will be more of the same from your campaign, raceist remarks, claiming Obama is unpatriotic, how low can you go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 03/24/2008
- PacificGatePost See Profile I'm a Fan of PacificGatePost

The media"s Hillary bashing is just a little too rampant.¨. .

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/03/media-imbalance-on-hillary-clinton.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 03/24/2008
- Wildcatdiva See Profile I'm a Fan of Wildcatdiva

Does that mean you don't want to know about Peter Paul vs Clinton three days after the PA primary...a 17 million dollar fraud case...hmmm...I guess you don't. lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 03/24/2008
- BeyondGoodAndEvil See Profile I'm a Fan of BeyondGoodAndEvil

Clinton had a free ride for more than a year in the MSM. In fact during her entire Senate career she has had virtually no media criticism, even though her votes in the Senate were consistently neocon enabling and far to the right of the Democratic base.

She has run a despicable campaign against Senator Obama and the media is only now starting to question her credibility, her blatant lies, resume padding and her attempt to destroy Senator Obama's chances to win against McCain in the general election when she knows very well that she cannot win the nomination. It was clear after the Wisconsin primary that Senator Clinton would not finish ahead in the popular vote, pledged delegates or contests won. She should have bowed out then. If she continues her divisive campaign, she will be shown to be nothing more than a Republican helping McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 03/24/2008
- slow2 See Profile I'm a Fan of slow2

BG&E, thank you. Needed to be said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 03/27/2008
- Jalenth See Profile I'm a Fan of Jalenth

The media has been a Clinton enabler. For some reason when she says jump they ask how high. She complained that the media wasn't "vetting" (slimming) Obama, so they did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 03/24/2008
- goodsnservices See Profile I'm a Fan of goodsnservices

Obama has a better chance of winning the general election than Hillary. Hillary can't take any state that Kerry failed to take, and the polls show she might lose a few blue states, which means her candidacy would guarantee a McCain win. Obama, on the other hand, won't lose any state that Kerry won, plus he will likely pick up a few red states that Hillary would certainly lose.

For example, there's Colorado, a state that Obama won in the primary election with a whopping 35 point spread over Hillary's bid. This state is a red state, having voted Republican in 4 of the last 5 general elections. In this state, Obama is favored to win over McCain by 46% to 39% according to Rassmussen, while Hillary is projected to lose there 35% to 49%.

Then there's Oregon, a traditionally blue state, that Obama would likelty take 49% to 40% according to the latest Rasmussen, while Hillary would likely lose there to McCain 42% to 45%. Likewise, Iowa, a traditionally blue state that switched to Bush in the last election would likely welcome Obama by a slender margin 43% to 40% in his favor, compared to Hillary likely losing by a vote of 37% to 47% in favor of McCain.

It is ironic that Bill Clinton is painting such high hopes for Hillary on the state of Indiana, as it is traditionally red and most likely to stay that way in the fall election. Equally ironic, Michigan, another traditionally blue state, shows a clear win for Obama, while Hillary ties with McCain. And Florida is likely to vote for McCain in the fall election, no matter who the nominee turns out to be.

Check out presidentialelectionpolls.com for yourself. Do the math. Hillary can't win the general election, but Obama will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 03/24/2008
- gornackguy See Profile I'm a Fan of gornackguy

Yes, I backed Hilary and have my doubts about Obama's electability. Nonetheless, I think she should get out of the race. What she and Bill are doing is not good for the party, period. I'm all for her showing toughness but some of her comments have been out of line as have Bills. She should just back out gracefully and support Obama. Its the best way for her, and Bill, to gain back any sort of credibility. Hillaryites should suck it up and support Obama. He's a smart guy and he'll go the right way on all the big issues. He's also smart enough to know that he can find someone to help him with whatever he doesn't know. A President is only as good as the people he surrounds himself with and I see no reason to believe Obama will not. Onward to beating McCain!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 03/23/2008
- democraticjack See Profile I'm a Fan of democraticjack

It's sounds as if you have been sipping on the Obama koolaid because you are buying into their latest talking point about the PARTY being hurt by her continued presence in the race. There are still millions of voters and supporters who have yet to vote. They have spent money and time in their quest to get Hillary nominated. It is so un-Democratic to disenfranchise them in addition to the voters locked out in FL and MI. If Hillary were to be forced out now due to a phony paradigm being perpetuated by Obama backers; the consequential damage would far outweigh the benefits to the Party. Let the process play out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 03/24/2008
- Jalenth See Profile I'm a Fan of Jalenth

The nicest thing I've heard from a Clinton supporter. Thank you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 03/24/2008
- rojo7449 See Profile I'm a Fan of rojo7449

If the voters in Florida and Michigan run an email campaign to the superdelegates, and people all across the country do an email flood into the Obama camp to voice their concerns over those two important states being shunned, there is absolutely no reason to think Clinton couldn't still win this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 03/23/2008
- nomobull See Profile I'm a Fan of nomobull

he is not responsible for them.their state leaders chose to ignore the rules. would you expect hillary to do thjis if the shoe w3as on the other foot i think not so w3hat does that say about you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 03/24/2008
- Timberline See Profile I'm a Fan of Timberline

The media does not point out that statistically it is almost impossible for Obama to win. He will lose PA, a state the Dems have to get in the fall. If Obama is so great why is it he is not running away with PA????
Answer Obama is a media creation which the media will ignore once he gets the nomination. This fight is a good thing for Dems. Kerry had the nomination early in 2004 you will recall and that didn't work out so well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 03/23/2008
- goodsnservices See Profile I'm a Fan of goodsnservices

Obama has a better chance of winning the general election than Hillary. Hillary can't take any state that Kerry failed to take, and the polls show she might lose a few blue states, which means her candidacy would guarantee a McCain win. Obama, on the other hand, won't lose any state that Kerry won, plus he will likely pick up a few red states that Hillary would certainly lose.

For example, there's Colorado, a state that Obama won in the primary election with a whopping 35 point spread over Hillary's bid. This state is a red state, having voted Republican in 4 of the last 5 general elections. In this state, Obama is favored to win over McCain by 46% to 39% according to Rassmussen, while Hillary is projected to lose there 35% to 49%.

Then there's Oregon, a traditionally blue state, that Obama would likelty take 49% to 40% according to the latest Rasmussen, while Hillary would likely lose there to McCain 42% to 45%. Likewise, Iowa, a traditionally blue state that switched to Bush in the last election would likely welcome Obama by a slender margin 43% to 40% in his favor, compared to Hillary likely losing by a vote of 37% to 47% in favor of McCain.

It is ironic that Bill Clinton is painting such high hopes for Hillary on the state of Indiana, as it is traditionally red and most likely to stay that way in the fall election. Equally ironic, Michigan, another traditionally blue state, shows a clear win for Obama, while Hillary ties with McCain. And Florida is likely to vote for McCain in the fall election, no matter who the nominee turns out to be.

Check out presidentialelectionpolls.com for yourself. Do the math. Hillary can't win the general election, but Obama will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 03/24/2008
- democraticjack See Profile I'm a Fan of democraticjack

Yeah, I see where McCain is beating Obama in Ohio, while Hillary is beating McCain there. I also see where and this is the big one, McCain and Obama are TIED in California while Hillary is beating McCain handily there. Poll games are so much fun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 03/24/2008
- mrJJ See Profile I'm a Fan of mrJJ

Well her campaign sure as heck turned quite a few of her own Dem party people against her. I don't even want to get into her negatives for the General... Then you have the Indies, newbies & crossovers to try to get in her corner...

Joint ticket? No damn chance. Her name shows up on any Dem Ticket & I'll leave that spot BLANK but will vote for my Dem Senate seat that is in play in my state.

She & Dollar Bill endorsed a Republican instead of one of their own Dem party members in a Dem primary for position of commander in chief... Tells you a lot about those people right there...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 03/23/2008
- riverhouse See Profile I'm a Fan of riverhouse

Because PA is basically a McCain state and Hillary and McCain are two peas in a pod.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 03/23/2008
- mrJJ See Profile I'm a Fan of mrJJ

A 63% win in EACH of theses States? .... ahh the dream continues

04/22/2008 Pennsylvania Democratic

05/03/2008 Guam Democratic

05/06/2008 Indiana Democratic
05/06/2008 North Carolina Democratic

05/13/2008 West Virginia Democratic

05/20/2008 Kentucky Democratic
05/20/2008 Oregon Democratic

06/01/2008 Puerto Rico Democratic

06/03/2008 Montana Democratic
06/03/2008 South Dakota Democratic

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 03/23/2008
- starrianna See Profile I'm a Fan of starrianna

GREAT LIES BY NOT SO GREAT POLITICAL LEADERS:

BUSH: "I'm a uniter, not a divider."

OBAMA: "This election is not about race."

BUSH: "Read my lips, no new taxes."

OBAMA: "I am not an affirmative action candidate."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 03/22/2008
- TheRealMacDaddy See Profile I'm a Fan of TheRealMacDaddy

I think you forgot a couple:

Clinton: "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

Clinton: "I've long been a critic of the shortcomings of NAFTA."

Clinton: "I've crossed the Commander in Chief threshold"

Clinton: "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland."

Clinton: "I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo."

Clinton: "I will win the Democratic Nomination"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 03/23/2008
- slow2 See Profile I'm a Fan of slow2

TRMD,
Let's don't forget the coining of "The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy." You know, the Richard Mellon Scaife 'Arkansas Project' that slammed the Clintons -- but who are Billary's new best friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 03/27/2008
- nomobull See Profile I'm a Fan of nomobull

delusional much

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 03/23/2008
- cowman See Profile I'm a Fan of cowman

So you're saying Obama's winning because of racial guilt or something? I haven't heard a SINGLE person say they voted for him for such a reason. At best you're presuming to know what everyone is thinking despite a complete lack of objective evidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 03/23/2008
- AbbieXHoffman See Profile I'm a Fan of AbbieXHoffman

Clinton should stay in it as long as she can. If Obama continues to go down a path that decreases his electability, we are going to need Hillary. I AM SO SICK of this arguement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 03/22/2008
- CGrace See Profile I'm a Fan of CGrace

I'm glad that someone in the media finally had the guts to say this. SHE CAN'T WIN.

Her plan now is to take everyone down with her. To make Senator Obama as unelectable as possible and run again in 4 years. Lots of luck with that Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 03/22/2008
- kevenseven See Profile I'm a Fan of kevenseven

Oh, for crying out loud.

The woman has had ONE day in this campaign in which she gained more delegates than did Obama. She got seven more delegates on Texas Tuesday than did Obama. Out of 370 delegates in contention.

One day so far, and she comes out with 2% more delegates.

Please. Let's face reality. She must quit the race for the good of the party. She must join the campaign to elect Obama. They must turn all their attention to attacking Bush and destroying McBomb.

That day is long past. She must face reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 03/22/2008
- democraticjack See Profile I'm a Fan of democraticjack

Actually she was leading in the overall delegate count after Super Tuesday and she won 20 more delegates that day as well. That's reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 03/24/2008
- riverhouse See Profile I'm a Fan of riverhouse

Actually, Obama got more TX delegates than Hillary did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 03/23/2008
- EyeWantOneNation See Profile I'm a Fan of EyeWantOneNation

Kev- I somehow can't put the words "rea;ity" and Clinton in the same sentence !!! She cares only for her own selfish wants and needs...and not a wit for the good of the country, much less the Democratic Party. Why won't the DNC and Gore, or whoever, get together and convince this shrew she is damaging the Party ??? Oh, well...we are screwed as long as she stays in this race !!!

Are YOU using "Hussein" in your middle name, or is it really someone else ???

Just curious !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 03/22/2008
- DoAsISay See Profile I'm a Fan of DoAsISay

Any other candidate that lost 11 in a row, some of which were more than 20 point defeats, would have been dismissed by the media as losers right away. The reason the media pushes Billary's candidacy is because they know that Bill will keep saying "interesting" things, and there is always a juicy scandal on the horizon that will increase ratings. The question is whether Billary will be loaning money to her campaign again, and if she will also release her tax returns when she does that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 03/22/2008
- democraticjack See Profile I'm a Fan of democraticjack

Please explain to me why her tax returns are of such interest to you? How about Obama's pre-2006 tax returns? How was he able to afford a $2 million dollar house in 2004 after being broke in 2000? How about we actually discuss issues?