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WaPo Op-Ed: "Another Angry Black Preacher"

Washington Post   |  E.J. Dionne Jr.   |   March 21, 2008 09:16 AM


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Let's ask the hard question about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright: Is he as far outside the African American mainstream as many of us would like to think?...

Yes, black people say things about our country and its injustices to each other that they don't say to those of us who are white. Whites also say things about blacks privately that they don't say in front of their black friends and associates. One black leader who was capable of getting very angry indeed is the one now being invoked against Wright. His name was Martin Luther King Jr.


 
 

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"Don't let anybody make you think God chose America as his divine messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with justice and it seems I can hear God saying to America "you are too arrogant, and if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I will place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God. Men will beat their swords into plowshafts and their spears into pruning hooks, and nations shall not rise up against nations, neither shall they study war anymore." I don't know about you, I ain't going to study war anymore."

Martin Luther King Jr.
Address to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (1967-08-16)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 03/21/2008

If MLK were alive today...he was would labeled a communist, a racist bigot, and anti-American by the
mainstream mass media...is there anyone out there who doesn't believe this is true?

Anyone who dares question the pseudo religion of right-wing partriotism is villified as a means of
discrediting them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 03/21/2008

Wow... good comparison, Mr. Dionne.... thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 03/21/2008

I was alive when MLK was marching and speaking for black rights. He never said anything that remotely echoes what Wright said.
King spoke and marched 40 years ago. Much has improved since MLK's time. When will this race non-sense end?? Afro-Americans have every right that whites have. I am really tired of this victimhood BS. Obama is not being honest here. he said in one of the debates that......"there is no white America, no black America, no hispanic America, and no Asian America, there is just the United States of America."

Then, in his damage control speech, he said this......"Race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot ignore." So which is it Obama, which is it???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 03/21/2008

Thank you Charmed for the clarification...Ambassador Peck was being quoted by Rev Wright and Fox News twisted it to demonize Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 03/21/2008

From Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr's "Beyond Vietnam -- A Time to Break Silence", delivered on April 4, 1967 at Riverside Church in New York City.

"As I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they ask -- and rightly so -- what about Vietnam? They ask if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today -- my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of the hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent."

Time magazine called the speech "demagogic slander that sounded like a script for Radio Hanoi." The Washington Post declared the speech and King "diminished his usefulness to his cause, his country, his people." Yet, the passage of time gives us a different view.

If you want to read Dr. King's full text, or listen to it: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 03/21/2008

When you actually see the ENTIRE sermon's of JW, and not just the Fox news soundbyte the have on endless loops, you realize that the American people are being lied to and coaxed back into their fearful little boxes. FOX should be censured.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/21/2008

If they start providing context to this and speaking to Americans like adults, what will the MSM focus on over the weekend?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 03/21/2008

Britney

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 03/21/2008

we americans are war criminals. pure and simple. king got that right. as far as god rising up that is a bunch of bull. as far as karma now that is reality.

capitalism american style has to fail. no choice. karma demands it. goes against every spiritual law that I know of. spiritual law is not religous beliefs. those are based in fear and selfishness. who is more selfish than a neo con evangel?

we see that reality of american decline now in america. it is the decline of a country in wealth and power and honor and love for one another that both sides want to blame on each other neither side understanding karma.

the evangels dont understand karma as they are the worst of the worst war mongers. who do you think is listening to russ and shawn hannity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 03/21/2008

If Pastor Wright was WHITE, his rhetoric would not even be an issue, and McCain would be courting him for an endorsement

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 03/21/2008

If he was white, he wouldn't have been saying the things he said. Think! Jeeeesh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 03/21/2008

GREAT Comment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 03/21/2008

If he were white he'd be a typical liberal.

Omigosh! Can I say "typical liberal?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 03/21/2008

Yeah... those darn "typical liberals". Those people that are concerned about real justice and equality. Those people that are concerned about things other than a corporation's profits. Those people that get angry in the face of tyranny, greed, discrimination and corruption. Those people that support personal freedoms. Those people that are willing to question authority when that authority is wrong. Those people that are able to make decisions based on facts and reality rather than ignorantly regurgitating the spin of FOX noise. Those people that can understand that not every issue has only two extremes. Those people that have the nerve to think for themselves and admit when they make a mistake.

Omigosh! Those "typical liberals". Thankfully I have the intelligence and moral decency required to be one of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 03/21/2008

THIS white pastor was saying some of the same things. No one complained. Go to DailyKos and watch the WHOLE sermon by Rev. Wright. It was all out of context. Ministers and true patriots always correct their government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaaDbGgsKA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 03/21/2008

LOL. Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 03/21/2008

"I'm a liberal, and I loathe the anti-American things Wright said precisely because I believe that the genius of our country is its capacity for self-correction. Progressivism and, yes, hope itself depend on a belief that personal conversion and social change are possible, that flawed human beings are capable of transcending their pasts and their failings."

This statement contradicted the entire article.
How can you lead us to believe that MLK said things that sounded as if they condemned American, when he was truly speaking as a oppressed Black man who wanted justice for all, and then claim that you loathe what Jeremiah Wright said?

He was speaking for oppressed people! I agree, people have diluted MLK's true character. We barely hear about what he said about American regarding the war in Vietnam.

Sometimes we have to speak against America without the use of pretty words. It's not Anti-American. At all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 03/21/2008

It was Ambassador Peck who said those things and was being quoted by Wright. The truth shall set you free

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 03/21/2008

Swanky,

I second Melkor on this matter. Where did you see Wright advocate violence?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 03/21/2008

Racists didn't like King and they don't like Wright. Racists are who they are, and no amount of Christian teaching is going to deter them from their mindless hate. It's in human nature to need someone to be better than, and throughout the ages poor white trash have had the African Americans to be better than. They simply cannot accept any criticism of themselves coming from people they consider their inferiors. We're not going to change this minority of diehards. Let's just ignore them. No matter how they try to phrase it, most of us recognize the racist content being posted here and discard it as ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 03/21/2008

The question about Senator Obama's continued membership in his Church has been endlessly

written and discussed. Those opposed to his Church Membership are eager to demand of him

what they are unwilling to do. Name one religious denomination without the stain of slanderous

preaching or practices.

Just asking...........

New Question:

How can any Americans still be members of the Republican Party?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 03/21/2008

Easy, Quakers aren't known for their slanderous preaching practices. Oh, or the Amish. Or Bhuddists. The Unitarians aren't known to spew hatred either. Oh, and millions of other mainstream religious organizations who don't tolerate hate speech of any kind. ...

A better question would be, what legislators have we elected who are members of a church whose pastor encourages them to sing GOD DAMN AMERICA?

Name one, and I'll this go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 03/21/2008

'm a 60 year old Reagan republican. I keep telling everybody this so they understand how far I've moved from the GOP. I voted Reagan, Reagan, Perot, Perot, Buchanan. I"m bedrock white racist Illinois born boomer.

that said.... I believe pretty much everything Obama's preacher said. Government probably DID crate Aids...

I think our government is no better than Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany - yet they have the means to perpetuate the ruse that they are saintly in their goodness. Even as they stood down at Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

I want a real rabble rouser elected -- LETS CLEAN UP DODGE guys... A Black Panther for Attny General!! Let's elect a REAL radical.... not tweedles dum or dee.... but the REAL thing.

I'm finished with both parties and their flim flam - TWA bombings - OKC false flag - militia infiltration - secret studies - ethnic viruses - UFO disinformation - WACO - Ruby Ridge - 9/11 --ALL OF IT!!

CLEAN HOUSE OBAMA !!! -- let's start prosecuting these bastards. What irony if a black man from Chicago gave us our country back!!

Let FREEDOM RING!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 03/21/2008

What amuses me is the Greedy Ol' Pervert party didn't move away, the leaders you voted for pushed it into the pit of corruption it has become. I also notice you don't mention Bush.

And you're not just a "bedrock white racist Illinois born boomer," you're a very stupid "bedrock white racist Illinois born boomer." I know this because you state you can believe "Government probably DID crate Aids." Well, if you knew anything about biology, you'd know it "ain't" possible. We didn't have the requisite knowledge.

"[T]hey stood down at Pearl Harbor..." Bull. If you had the brains to know a little history, it was known that Japan intended to attack, problem was knowing *WHERE* the attack would be. If you had enough sense to look up the facts, Pearl Harbor was considered immune to air attack because the US Navy was convinced the bay was too shallow for a torpedo attack. The threat, they thought, was the Phillipinnes, which Pearl would be able to reinforce.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 03/21/2008

wow- I wish there were 30 million more of you! Awesome!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 03/21/2008

Um, yeah, if you think thats gonna happen in modern day American you are living in an alternate reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 03/21/2008

What could it possibly be that is pissing our AA brothers and sisters off? Hmmm. I wonder.

Could it be the idea that some time back they were stolen from their homeland and sold into slavery?

That as slaves they could be put to death just for learning how to read or have their children sold away from them?

Could it be the poverty, the Klan, the lynchings, the terror they endured for decades and generations at the hands of white society?

Could it be that they were denied a decent education, opportunities for houseing and jobs, denied the right to vote?

Could it be that a disproportionate number of African Americas sit in American prisons and on death rows?

Might this be a cause for anger, I wonder? Especially when white society and institutions continue to deny the grievances, to deny the injustices were real and actually occurred? Before we ask African Americans to just "move on", should we not, at the very least, acknowledge their grievances and apologize for the decades of injustices and humiliation they have had to endure?

Is it not possible that by failing to acknowlege and validate their anger, we are failing to acknowledge and validate what is essentially a very human and legitimate response?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 03/21/2008

this is going to sound really obvious, but you do know that Obama doesn't share this history that has AA's angry, don't you?

His father is FROM AFRICA, his mother is American. He is African-American literally, not in the generational sense.

His parents' marriage came before Loving V Virginia but I'm guessing Hawaii abolished anti-miscegenation laws prior to that.

Either way, unless there is geneological evidence that any Obama ancestor was actually a part of the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade, should that struggle really be associated with somebody who is
a) only half black
b)not a 2nd or 3rd generation "African-American"?

Neither of Obama's grandparents both maternal or paternal suffered the victimisation that the descendants and ancestors of African-Americans, so why is he so well received when it comes to this matter?

I ask this as someone who is fully black but also in the same boat as Obama, my parents' heritage lies in Africa, as far as I know, no members of my family were ever a part of the slave trade or are descendants of anyone who was in the slave trade.

Therefore, I wouldn't like to give the impression that I am anything but sympathetic to the plight of those who have had to suffer those atrocities or had their ancestors have to suffer it.

I can champion their cause, and their history, but I couldn't and certainly wouldn't allow people to think that I shared that struggle, because quite frankly, I didn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 03/21/2008

First, I was referring to Rev Wright and the anger African Americans feel in general with regard to this country's history.

Second, are you saying that, because your own parents are from Africa and their ancestors were not brought to America in chains they have personally never experienced racism directed at their brown skin as opposed to ethnic origin? Do you think racists distinguish between brown people from overseas and our native-born African Americans?

Third, am I wrong in sensing just a tiny trace of superiority in your comment? Are you superior in some way to African Americans who are, in fact, descendents of slaves? Sort of sounds that way to me, sister.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 03/23/2008

I understand your post, but don't believe it matters if you are a direct descendant from slavery. ...the person who discriminates against or has prejudice for an AA will not take the time, nor do they care, if that AA is from Africa or the deep South.

I am Korean and have been called a "gook" more than once. People certainly did not take the time to find out my ethnic heritage before racial slurs were tossed in my direction. This is the reality of the minority experience in the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 03/21/2008

I haven't been to an AA meeting in a while. I'll have to get back to you on that later. What most pisses me off is the seven plus years of the Bushies selling this country down the fukkin river.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 03/21/2008

Funny. I had to double take on the AA thing too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 03/21/2008

I was Not offended by any of th eclips I've seen of Rev Wright- He was talking to AmericaNs about taking back the Reins of this country! There has been an undercurrent of deception in this country which has caused or allowed the citizens to play possum, become Comatose to the actions an dinactions of those who we have 'elected' into Public Service. We must Abide by the Priciples we were founded on, and address the issues as they stand today. Tehre is Instituionalized Racism and Sexism and fear mongering and hate mongering and finger pointing without regard to Ultimate Responsiblity. I truely feel we should be holding those individuals and entities responsible for endangering the citizens of this country through their Unethical and Immoral Business Practices- Domestically and Internationally- they have been camoflagued in our Flag far too long.
Now you want to see an extremely Offensive and Scary video watch 'Rev' Manning of ATLAH (?) in New York, of course you could stop into almost any Evangelical White Church and hear the same crap too.
Now that S.O.B is not only Offfensive but has Delusions of Grandeur. A supremist by all standards- meglomaniac at the pulpit (False Prophets and Idols anyone....Snake Oil Dealer)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 03/21/2008

Dr. King's anger was drawn from watching his friends being jailed for protesting; having the fire department turn their water hoses against his fellow peaceful demonstrators; being beaten for gathering and demanding from his government that they redress the grievances of the black community. Dr. King was a leader in the truest sense of the word. He studied the work of Ghandi. He understood that persistent non-violent resistance was the pathway to peace and freedom. Pastor Wright completely misses that. He advocates violence and hatred for the very country who's freedoms allow him to speak such vitriolic words of hate. He scares white people, and believes that he ought to scare them. There's a huge difference between Dr. King and Pastor Wright. The fact that I've even written their names in the same sentence is blasphemous. Dr. King was a leader in the truest sense of the word. Mr. Obama is not. His association with Wright, and his continuing support of him makes it clear to me that he has no interest in having a true and honest dialog about race in the U.S. because he obviously hadn't questioned the words or motives of Pastor Wright until Tuesday. I don't trust anyone who blithely accepts the words of their friends and confidants without questioning or doubting them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 03/21/2008

Where does he advocate violence? I was not aware that he advocated violence, ever. It seems that people are taking some of the ideas in Wright's sermons and just attaching much more negativity to them than was intended. I heard Tucker Carlson say the other day that Wright was telling his congregation that they should hate white people, but I don't think Wright actually said this. It says something contradictory about people's anger with Wright that on the one hand they react to his sermons as if they were given by the devil himself, but on the other hand, they can't attack him without imputing to him language that he's never actually used.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 03/21/2008

Yes, MLK was responding to the demonstrated inequality being perpetuated against the blacks in America. Can we remember that it's been over 40 years since "I have a dream" and that, despite some gains made toward the equalization of races in America, not enough has been done, and that many, many African Americans are still quite angry and rightfully so?

Wright's invective was directed toward the fact that of those jailed in this country - 11% of the TOTAL POPULATION - the great majority of inmates are of color; that, in fact, the American government HAS been complicit in the importation of illegal drugs and that, despite all the goody-two-shoes equivocation, there is economic, political and educational disparity between the white and black communities.

The man was pissed when he made those comments. I'm PISSED because so many of you are willing to set those facts aside in the process of blindly supporting your candidate.

It's you, and those like you, who have continued to rail about this nonissue, that make me ashamed to be an American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 03/21/2008

Is Rev Wright's sin that he scares white people? 'Cause I'm white and he doesn't scare me.

Must not scare white people, must not scare white people, must not scare white people. . .

If we have every black person in America write it out a thousand time, you think it would help? Would you feel less scared then? Would you cut Obama a break then?

Here, I'll start: Must not scare white people, must not scare white people, must not scare white people, must not scare white people. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 03/21/2008