Heilemann, Like Noonan, Suggests That Clinton Camp May Be Fracturing

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First Posted: 03-23-08 03:10 PM   |   Updated: 03-31-08 05:12 AM

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On today's Meet The Press, Peggy Noonan got ears burning when she suggested that there was some matter of dissension in the ranks of the Clinton campaign, saying that Clinton is "surrounded by people who would adore the chance to be for Obama." She added, mysteriously, "One of her top aides, who kind of privately makes it clear that he knows that he himself is an insurgent character and that it would be wonderful to be a part of Obama's insurgency but that he is backing Ms. Clinton."

Noonan otherwise made her animus for the Clinton's fairly readily apparent, which was just one of the factors that made me think she was worth dismissing. Others included the fact that last week, Clinton's surrogates weren't working the Reverend Wright angle particularly hard - Charles Schumer and Nita Lowey both backed off of hammering Obama on his association with Wright. Additionally, Clinton's position in the race for the nomination - while obviously hampered by the math - is nevertheless very strong where perceptions are concerned: she's had a pretty good couple of weeks (outside of perhaps the whole Bosnia matter) and is well-poised for a win in Pennsylvania, which is sure to give her some momentum. Additionally, and perhaps critically, the superdelegate flood to Obama has, in the past fortnight, subsided.

On Chris Matthews' show, panelists Norah O'Donnell, Clarence Page, and Elisabeth Bumiller all basically agreed that Clinton was nowhere near the point where she'd be thinking about leaving the race. But there was one outlier: New York Magazine's John Heilemann, who echoed some of the things Noonan would say on Meet The Press:

HEILEMANN: I think that one thing that's happening internally is that some of her top people are starting to say to her, "We won't stick with you. We won't keep working for this campaign if it's going to destroy Barack Obama." She's starting to hear that from her people and she's starting to kind of see it.

MATTHEWS: How do you know that?

HEILEMANN: [archly] How do I know that? Reporting.

The one thing I'd caution is that if you look back, rumors of internal dissension seems to always precede Clinton's momentum-swinging victories. Everyone was supposed to be getting fired in New Hampshire, but Clinton's win forced the press to table their obituaries. And the week before her Ohio win was fraught with Mark Penn-bashing from within the campaign.


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- ljsfolly I'm a Fan of ljsfolly 6 fans permalink

I cannot see how anyone with a brain can still back Hillary after her lies about bosnia. I would not vote for her anyway so I will be upfront with that but to say she was under gunfire and that the plane had to avoid gunfire and on and on before they landed then she said she had to run from the plane and still avoiding gunfire had to run zig zag to the terminal. Ok Hillary had her 16 yr old kid with her. She had Sinbad with her. She had Sheryl Crow with her. Somehow in the zig zag run she had time to stop right outside the plane and get her picture taken with a little girl handing her flowers, with her daughter standing next to her. Seems like the two stories means one story is a lie. She says she went with Ambass. Wison to Africa and that also didn't happen. How much of her experieince is also made up lies? Why doesn't the people backing her look at these lies and see them for what they are?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 03/24/2008
- escapee I'm a Fan of escapee 3 fans permalink
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Yep, she also tells her followers that she won FL and MI.... States she agreed not to campaign in... States that had Dem voters that didn't vote because they were told their vote wouldn't count. Now she wants those who did vote, counted. She talks as if those were fair elections. She's either delusional, dishonest or thinks Americans are stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 03/24/2008
- klandish I'm a Fan of klandish 83 fans permalink
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 03/24/2008

There are several attempts in progress to undermine Hillary's candidacy. The above is one of them, which is the spreading of unsubstantiated rumors of dissent in the Hillary camp.

Another is the "mathematical" case. The fact of the matter is that "mathematically" the super-delegates are now in charge because neither candidate can get enough pledged delegates. Heading toward the convention it will probably be Obama 1650 Hillary 1550 w 800 supers up for grabs.

A super commitment means nothing as Obama strong-arming black delegates to switch to him from Hillary proves. Therefore no super count is valid before the actual vote at the convention.

It is clear that it is time to take the gloves off. Any super-delegate who represents a district that voted for Hillary Clinton should be pressured to vote for Hillary or face challenges to their seat. This is exactly the way the Obama campaign thru Jesse Jackson Jr has strong-armed black Super-Delegates committed to Hillary and gotten to switch to Obama.

Two can play that game. It is time to take back this illegitimate attempt of Ted Kennedy and his cohorts from stealing the nomination from Hillary.

The whole Obama campaign is a Kennedy inspired phenomenon that was test-run in Massachusetts w Deval Patrick. Obama is a product of the Chicago Daley political machine w deep Kennedy influence. The Obama campaign team ran the Deval Patrick campaign where he came out of nowhere to win in Kennedy's Massachusetts back yard. Patrick has been a total dud as governor whose big revenue plan was to create 3 casinos in Mass. Fortunately the state legislature blocked this fiasco and now Patrick is waiting for Obama to be President so he can go to Washington.

Kennedy has played a cynical race baiting campaign against the Clintons accentuated by his insinuation that his support for Obama was because of Hillary's MLK/LBJ/JFK comments after the NH primary. The big lie is that this had anything to do with Kennedy's support of Obama. Kennedy has been behind Obama since the beginning and is the only reason Obama is still afloat.

Hillary supporters can start contacting super-delegates in districts that voted for Hillary in the primaries. Don't know who the supers are? Can go here and make your lists:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/delegates/candidates/barack-obama/

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/delegates/candidates/hillary-clinton/

Uncommitted delegates can be found under each state list.

Need more evidence of Kennedy involvement w Obama? Try this:

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2008/01/kennedy-obama-and-rezko-or-slimey-and.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 03/24/2008
- condew I'm a Fan of condew 12 fans permalink

Hey Hillary:

Where's your 2006 tax return? What's in there that you are so desparate to hide? Think they'll fall for it if you release 2007 instead?

What is all this experience you talk about? Obama was elected to state office as well as the Senate, and I am unaware of you running for any office besides the Senate.

What are these changes in momentum? I thought winning 3 states only netted ~5 delegates, and Obama has already made up for it. The math has unswervingly supported Obama for months now. Not to mention you have 1/10 the money on hand that Obama has.

Can't say I like the bloggers you've hired to immediately respond to every article; but I guess they are at lease fast even if very biased.

Maybe you sense of entitlement and willingness to create a civil war in the Democratic party is even giving your closest supporters pause. You really think it's a good idea to override elected delegates with superdelegates?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 03/24/2008
- Ginko I'm a Fan of Ginko 7 fans permalink

Excuse me, but all of America files taxes April 15th, or didn't you know that? Like Hillary said, she will release it when she is nominated.
What I want to see is Obama's ENTIRE return and not the partial one he released. I'd also like to see his Illinois senate schedule and see how many times he met with Rezco. I'd also like to know why, since he had 11 slum buildings in Obama's district. Obama allowed such condition issues on govt. funded buildings. Amongst other things I am sure you Obamabots would ignore since you think he is the second coming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 03/24/2008
- Tumult I'm a Fan of Tumult 2 fans permalink

Any super-delegate who represents a district that voted for Hillary Clinton should be pressured to vote for Hillary or face challenges to their seat.

That is still a losing arguement for Clinton, Obama has the greater popular vote and more "wins".
You also forget that Clinton still maintains a total lead in superdelegates. So she has the greater number to lose. Also since alot of the superdelegates are from elected office, and of the two Obama gives the impression he will be able to carry a broader range of voters, and get more Democrats elected it would seem he has the advantage there as well. And anyone that isn't from the blue states should declare for Obama because Clinton does not consider those states important. In addition Clintons strength is lifelong democrats, while Obamas strength is "new" democrats, which group do you think is going to stick with the democrats in the general election if their candidate loses. And your the one that said it would be "Obama 1650 Hillary 1550" how is it Obama that is stealing the election? Since you seem to want the Democrats to commit seppuku do you work for FOX, Rush or the RNC?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 03/24/2008

Based on the fact that she will have 300+ electoral votes from the states she has won , well above the 270 needed to win the Presidency, by the time the primaries are complete, I expect if you take the delegates from the winning districts that she will have more than enough to secure the nomination. And the delegates can say they voted the will of the people which is exactly what they did.

Don't forget, Obama loses his factor of ten cheat bonus that he got from the caucuses. His pledged delegate lead is very misrepresentative of how the voting has actually gone. In fact, it is a major piece of the overall fraud being perpetrated by his campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 03/24/2008

I'm guessing being a rich liberal doesnt necessarily make you a smart one. First off, no one is strong arming super delegates. Super delegates have the right to choose whatever nominee they feel is in the parties best interest and has the better chance of winning in November. Saying that it is time to take the gloves off and harass the super delegates into voting for Clinton sounds a little like strong arming to me though. Second there has not been race baiting in this campaign, Kennedy respponded in kind to Hillary's ignorant comment, that doesn't make it race baiting. Any real examples though, I'd be glad to hear them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 03/24/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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The most serious threats to Hillary's candidacy are coming from Mark Penn and Harrold Ickes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 03/24/2008
- Charmed I'm a Fan of Charmed 31 fans permalink

It's so sad to see a person rationalize things in this way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 03/24/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

DNC READERS OF THIS BLOG

Do you have any idea, beyond polls that gave you Dewey in 48 and Obama in NH in 07, how much that the USA hates the Clintons? Do you realise that Obama has built back the liberal wing and made it acceptable to moderates and conservatives in a National Union effort that is laudable considering the second Great Depression lurking in our future?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 03/24/2008
- Ulysses9 I'm a Fan of Ulysses9 2 fans permalink

The inside news from the Clinton campaign is that not only are there an army of people waiting to bolt... and get working on an Obama general election victory... but that a certain large, obnoxious "lead strategist" and erstwhile pollster (whose last name oddly matches the first syllable of what may be Hillary's last primary victory) may be headed for the junk heap sooner rather than later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 AM on 03/24/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

What do you mean.....a morbidly poison pen is being trashed.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 03/24/2008
- 01202009 I'm a Fan of 01202009 53 fans permalink
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Where are Hillary's Tax Returns? Everybody else has posted theirs. What is she hiding?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 03/24/2008
- mcartri I'm a Fan of mcartri 14 fans permalink

Lying was the foundation of Hitler's Nazis and the Bush administration. It is clearly the foundation of McCain's campaign to scare the Sheeple of America. It was no accident that he connected Iran and al Qaeda. The Democrats will have to judge to what lengths Hillary will go to attempt to gain the power of the presidency. She cannot beat McCain, but she may destroy Obama's better chance of doing so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 03/23/2008
- Ginko I'm a Fan of Ginko 7 fans permalink

She sure as hell can beat McCain, he can't even find his car much less tell the difference between a Sunni and a Shia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 03/24/2008

Check out the NY Times story about the NEW WAY that the Clinton camp is justifying a declared victory in their favor - let's go through the list:

1] it was strictly a delegate race - NO, that's out since they can't catch Barack,
2] it is popular vote - NO, that's off the table since they can't catch Barack;
3] it ability to win - NO, that's no longer popular since Barack is leading again in national Gallup head to head with Hillary; So grab your socks
4] the NEW reason is because of the ELECTORIAL COLLEGE - you got it, something that ONLY applies to the national vote.. here is their reasoning - the states she has won has more ELECTORIAL COLLEGE votes and the states he won....

If this wasn't serious, it would be as funny as watching Hillary "running through a hail of gunfire in Bosnia" while accepting flowers and a kiss from a child.....

Is truth a foreign language to the Clintons?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 03/23/2008
- mawrm I'm a Fan of mawrm 24 fans permalink

Ahhh, so we've upgraded to the electoral college argurment now.... nice one. A bit of a play on the whole "I win big states" argument. Could you just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot and her challenger tried to raise this sort of convoluted logic?

Typical Clinton myopia. Just like she didn't plan post-Super Tuesday, she doesn't see how her behavior today is steadily worsening the Dems chances in November. Perhaps she does and doesn't care. I'm done trying to figure out what the hell she's trying to accomplish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 03/24/2008

It's very serious. What is it you don't understand about the Electoral College? That's how the President is selected.

Several of your other points are wrong as well: 2. popular vote: incl Fla and Mich Hillary will easily be ahead of Obama at the end. Even excluding Fla/Mich, she has a good chance with a good showing in PA. 3. yesterday she was a bit ahead in the polls today a bit behind, so your argument there is just stupid.

Re: the electoral college. Incl FL/MI Hillary already has 263 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win in Nov based on the states she has won. Obama has about 200. Hillary will end up well over 300.

Obama's current lead in pledged delegates is entirely a product of the admittedly clever caucus plan his campaign had to go to places like Idaho, round up the local college students in the big universities and turn the caucuses into a bunch of Obama college mixers. The "voters" at these caucuses in places like Kansas, Utah, and Idaho in terms of delegates at the convention actually cast votes that were equivalent to 10-20 votes of a New York or California voter. Therefore these caucuses are unfair and should be thrown out.

The other piece of Obama's lead is the result of his campaign's race-baiting to steal the Clintons' well-earned black vote from them. With Ted Kennedy's help, Obama has raised racial tensions in this country to the point we see everyday with his life long mentor Rev Wright on TV preaching "God damn, America".

This is the wonderful fruits of Obama's fraudulent campaign.

The Clintons ran the country from 1992-2000, turned a half trillion dollar Republican deficit to a half trillion dollar Clinton surplus, presided over the best economic growth in USA History, and added 22.7 MILLION NEW JOBS to the economy.

That is a record of successful experience of the highest kind and the reason why Ted Kennedy has had to stoop to putting up this fraudulent Obama campaign to stop Hillary Clinton from her well-earned opportunity for the Democratic nomination.

Obama is no saint. He is front man for the Kennedy political machine which is trying to regain control of the Democratic party to give us more losing nominees like Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.

Clinton is the only Democrat since Jimmy Carter and LBJ who has shown how to win the Presidency. Kennedy just wants another chance to field another loser. Maybe Kennedy should get back to achieving national health care that he has been working on for 40 years and produced what we have today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 03/24/2008
- Ginko I'm a Fan of Ginko 7 fans permalink

uh, it's the National vote that MATTERS. She's only 7 votes away from the 270 needed, Obama needs 68.
You just figuring out the electoral vote is important in deciding the nominee, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 AM on 03/24/2008
- nomobull I'm a Fan of nomobull 52 fans permalink
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they haven't been awarded that only happens if she becomes the nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 03/24/2008
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Your numbers assume a conflation between states carried in a primary and eventual electoral votes in the general. The lack of understanding underlying your willingness to comment is breathtaking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 03/24/2008

Obama: All hat and not cattle. Yes, he sounds great. If he can pull it off, yes, I'm with him. In fact, I like him no matter what. The point is this: Who can get it done? Seems like Hillary actually has what it takes to get it done. As BILL says, you vote for Obama, you roll the dice. That's worth pondering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 03/23/2008
- Tumult I'm a Fan of Tumult 2 fans permalink

Since you assert that Hillary has what it takes to "get it done", what exactly has she gotten done?
Her only major initiative so far that I am aware of is her attempt at health care, which she failed at. And she not only failed, she alienated people that would have liked to support her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 03/23/2008
- BikerJim I'm a Fan of BikerJim 3 fans permalink

Tumult, that is not true, Hillary has succeded at something before. Hilary was able to get NAFTA passed. That was her accomplishment....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 03/23/2008
- Ginko I'm a Fan of Ginko 7 fans permalink

then you obviously did not do your homework.
She has a VERY long resume working her tail off for Americans.
How old are you? She was fighting for us as far back as Watergate and probably before that. You probably weren't born for the first decade or two of her experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 03/24/2008
- 01202009 I'm a Fan of 01202009 53 fans permalink
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That's right! Hillary is Washington as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 03/23/2008
- Tumult I'm a Fan of Tumult 2 fans permalink

Additionally how are we "rolling the dice" more with Obama than we are with Clinton or any other politician. Obama has more time in elected office than Clinton. He also seemed to be the one more oriented towards helping people. Also Clinton seems to limit herself with partisanship while that has not been Obamas message. Obama also seems to have a broader base of support which could see some Democrats win Congressional seats in areas that would be unlikely to occure on a Clinton ticket, which would in turn make legislation more likely to be passed. Obama with his caucus wins that we are told show who has more activists and enthusiastic supporters, could result in long term political clout, the ability of his supporters to pettition members of congress in support of legislation. So the logic in my mind seems to indicate Obama is the sronger candidate as far as what he is likely to accomplish. You are saying Clinton is stronger so please, explain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 03/24/2008

I can tell you as someone who voted for him twice, but that first time that Bill, that draft-dodging, potentially philandering, no foreign relations experience, no elected national level experience, Governor of Arkansas (of all things) was a gamble as well. It turned out okay. Not at good as I would have liked, but certainly better than the Republicans have been.

So for Bill Clinton of all people, to talk of others as 'roles of the dice' with even less national level experience or foreign relations experience, is funnee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 AM on 03/24/2008

I meant to say "roll of the dice." Darn posting late at night. And yes, Bill was still a roll of the dice, just as Obama or any politican, will be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 AM on 03/24/2008
- plutorage I'm a Fan of plutorage 12 fans permalink

You can't compare now with New Hampshire.

New Hampshire was the first primary.

I wish Obama and Hillary could get together. I really like Hillary. Her husband is a pain tho.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 03/23/2008

How can you like her? No wonder Bill cheated. I would too if my wife was like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 03/23/2008
- Chandidevi I'm a Fan of Chandidevi 26 fans permalink

New Hampshire is fraught with fraud. Check out Black Box Voting dot org. It's all there

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 03/24/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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I think you have to look at the big picture. I'm sure many Hillary supporters in her campaign are loyal Democrats and see that her campaign is just fracturing the Democratic party. They want the Democrats to win November and they realize that if Hillary brings her fight to the convention she will probably lose and only hurt Obama's chances to be elected in the fall. I'm sure many of them are as sick of the last eight years of Bush as anyone else and will come to their senses. Also add that they they realized that they will not be paid for quite a while if Hillary cannot raise more money for the primaries. If Obama wins the nomination but Hillary helps him lose the general election people in the Hillary camp will be the most hated Democrats in the country. Many rational people would not want to go through that just to extend Hillary's quest for power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 03/23/2008
- Crozier I'm a Fan of Crozier 69 fans permalink

TO THE SUPERDELEGATES...DO IT NOW, PLEASE...

Please vote for your preference for Democratic nominee now........Obama or Clinton. Let us have those numbers nailed down.....ALL SUPERDELEGATES VOTE NOW.

Then, it should be clear that after the PA primary, the reality should be evident.....Senator Obama is the presumed nominee and Senator Clinton suspends her campaign. The rest of the primaries will allow Senator Obama to begin his general election fight against Senator McCain.

If you wait, and Clinton puts a fight, you may as well bury the Democratic party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 AM on 03/24/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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I heard one of the Democratic strategist say that their should be a super delegate primary which is similar to what you are saying. I hope they do that before the party splinters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 AM on 03/24/2008

Anybody hear Rev. Mannings sermon?

Yikes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

I would have ran out of his church.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 03/23/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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This is the guy that loves Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 03/23/2008

Exactly. One of the most offensive things I have heard. BTW, I am not easily offended. Rev. Wright attacked America and its policy, this guy is pure hate and a vile person.

I cannot believe he would qualify for an US earmark. I am not sure this hasn't been exposed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 03/23/2008

BTW, look at the video with caution. It is offensive.

Again. Rev. Manning, who received earmarks from Sen. Clinton, is very, very offensive.

Use caution when listening to his sermon.

He speaks rather glowingly about the Clintons and believes the black people in Harlem owe the Clintons their vote. He said that from the pulpit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 03/23/2008
- Tumult I'm a Fan of Tumult 2 fans permalink

As little value as I saw in the attempt to use Revrend Wright against Obama, I see little value in this as well. We are supposed to have seperation of Church and state. So unless one candidate states they are going to legislate some church doctorine or outlaw something (like gay marriage) because of their religious belief, we should leave religious discussion out of our political discussions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 03/23/2008

I am all about that, but this guy needs to be exposed.

300K in earmarks raises my eyebrows.

I have always hated my religion mixed with my politics. I just think it was hypocritical of people demanding that Sen. Obama apologize for Rev. Wright.

Let's have Sen. Clinton apologize for giving that awful Manning any US money.

Again: This church received money from Sen. Clinton's earmark.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 03/23/2008

yea, seperation of church and state but Wright is no church, thats a hate group, we arent stupid here

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 03/24/2008
- BikerJim I'm a Fan of BikerJim 3 fans permalink

I agree, this has no real value. I do have to give the Clinton's credit for this. They did not PUBLICLY beat on Barack over the Write BS.... No I do understand that they took it to the Superdelegates, but that is okay it is behind closed doors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 03/24/2008

Disgusting, vile little man. As much as I'd like to see this venomous reptile tied to Hill, it is just more of the same spewing more hate, abhorrence. I feel like America has been hijacked and we are living among aliens. We so need Superman to stop this train wreck. We need Obama to sow civility, kindness and compassion. I believe he is the only one who can change hearts and minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 03/24/2008

This man sold his soul. Who ever provided this paper mill PH.D person the money for him to say these ........also sold their soul too

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 03/24/2008

For those folks here who passionately support Hillary's bid, please do the math for us on how she can take the race? I've done the math, and I don't see it.

I have heard it said that Hillary will take the nomination in the convention on the third vote, but as far as I can calculate, even if Hillary wins overwhelmingly in all the remaining contests and convinces a majority of the remaining superdelegates to support her, she still loses on the first vote.

So, I'd really like to know how you see her winning? Obama supporters, I already know your feelings on the subject. Let the Hillary supporters speak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 03/23/2008

i tell how she will take it, superdelagetes

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 PM on 03/23/2008

Please people, our little play part in this voting system is just that,

the golden key to the white house is called ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES

I only which more people truly know the truth, because, the DNC is not providing the education to mass votes. It will a BIG shock later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 03/24/2008

No surprise here, I would be wanting out if she was screaming at me all day. Nothing worse than a screaming, bossy, woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 03/23/2008
- ac1 I'm a Fan of ac1 2 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 03/23/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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Talk left is so in the tank for Hillary it's not even funny. You've got to do better than that. Should I start listing all the people that are toxic in Hillary's history? It would fill the page.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 03/23/2008

She is power hungry woman, of course everyone in her life is toxic. She probably would not know the truth if it bit her in the you know where. Manipulative, lying all the time, using people all the time. She probably gets off on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 03/23/2008
- Ginko I'm a Fan of Ginko 7 fans permalink

This isn't a football game, in fact this isn't even the race. The only winner will be the American people when Hillary takes charge.
That will come after the convention when Hillary wipes the floor with McCain because she knows her policy and plan inside and out and can think on her feet. McCain can't remember what day it is. Obama is all TALK.
Don't fall for exciting speeches and empty words like change and a "new" approach. He is using every dirty political trick in the book and you ignore it at your peril.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 03/24/2008

That story is about some guy that knows Obama.

Do Hillaryites want to have a conversation about associates of people?

I still have yet to hear the reason Bill pardoned Rich.

Sen. Clintons Rev. Manning?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 03/23/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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the pardon of Rich? because he was rich.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 03/24/2008
- Ginko I'm a Fan of Ginko 7 fans permalink

are you joking? Rich? Oh PLEASE. We have been over this a zillion times. Just give up on dragging up Bill Clinton.Yeah yeah we know, and we know he lied about a blowjob so what who cares. Men do dumb things sometime, even if they are President. I remember his candidacy as being a time of PEACE and PROSPERITY for the MOST part.Some military action but when he said it would be short and sweet, it was.
Pay attention, she didn't pardon ANYONE. You on the one hand think Obama shouldn't be responsible for the friends he keeps and on the other blame Hillary for March Rich being pardoned. Double standard much?
No one wants to hear it, we heard it all over and over again. What's next, you gonna mention Sandy Berger? Any more old dead news you care to drag up? What a joke. There is nothing on her and Obama is a political slimeball, face it. Now the Emil Jones story emerges. Yet another slimeball buddy of his.
You should do a little reseach on politics in Chicago, where he hangs his hat. You want a "new kind of politics" yet you back a guy who's knee deep in dirty deals and lies from Chicago no less. Dirtiest politics there is. He has AXELROD on his team. LOL
The only people he's fooling are the ones not paying attention to the facts at hand.
This is how Bush got elected, people just ignored the facts about the man. Molly Ivins warned us. Oh boy, was she ever right.
Don't fall for it, his vetting has just begun and it isn't looking good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 03/24/2008
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If you believe anything these two say you are being brainwashed by the Right Wing machine. They are pushing Obama so they can win in November, do not be fooled. If they are pushing him, it is only because they think that will mean they will win the White House. They are as crooked as the day is long, don't fall for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 03/23/2008
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LOL that's why Limbaugh is pushing for Republicans to vote for Hillary in the open primaries. In MS Hillary got 24% of her votes from Republicans. LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 03/23/2008

Wow. What an astute observation. Yikes!

Hillaryites are as paranoid has her Royal Highness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 03/23/2008
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