McGovern: Hard to Elect Female President

MARY CLARE JALONICK | March 25, 2008 06:00 PM EST | AP



WASHINGTON — Former Sen. George McGovern, the 1972 Democratic presidential nominee, said Tuesday it would be easier for a black man to be elected to the White House than a woman.

The former South Dakota senator has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, whom he has known for decades since she helped campaign for him. She is in a close race with Sen. Barack Obama for the party nod.

"I have a feeling that in this country where we're at today in our thinking, it's going to be harder to elect a woman than to elect a black man," he told The Associated Press on Tuesday. "I wish that weren't true ... I'd love to see Hillary as president."

McGovern says he occasionally chats with men who don't think a woman is ready for the responsibility.

"Some guy will say, 'Well, I think that's too big a job for a woman, I don't think she can handle those terrorists,'" he said, adding that he seldom hears the same thing said about a black man.

"I think we've never had a woman so well-qualified that's on the national scene," he said of Clinton.

McGovern, who centered his 1972 campaign on his opposition to the Vietnam War, has been critical of the Iraq war, calling for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney earlier this year. He said Clinton and Obama have reasonable plans for ending the conflict.

He says he likes Obama but didn't know much about him when he endorsed Clinton last year.

"I think very highly of him now," McGovern said.

The former senator, who maintains a home in South Dakota, was in Washington pushing lawmakers to add more money for international food aid to a multibillion dollar farm bill. McGovern has long been an advocate for the hungry and helped start a program that donates U.S.-grown crops for school lunches in impoverished countries.


 

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I have heard this argument used before - blacks certainly did get the vote well before women did but that hardly matters. Women didn't face violence when they went to the polls. Blacks did, for a very, very long time. It's an empty argument that doesn't mean anything.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 03/28/2008

Aw, George.... it's got nothing to do w/ "electing a woman." It has to do with Hillary Clinton and what her record indicates. Of all people, McGovern should recognize the need to nominate a candidate who isn't just a lite version of the Republicans on the most pressing issue of the election.... the Iraq war.

Many would love to elect a woman. Considerably fewer want to elect Hillary Clinton.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 03/26/2008

I'm not opposed to electing a female president....I'm just opposed to Hillary Clinton.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 03/26/2008

For years, I've believed this country would elect a black president before it elected a woman president.

My opinion has nothing to do with the current individuals currently running. It's basic history. Black's were emancipated in this country long before women were.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 03/26/2008


That would be funny if it weren't absurd. On the face of it you're correct, the black male obtained the vote before female (of any color). I wouldn't however, call that e"man"cipation. They weren't even considered men. To vote black males faced lynching, death and threats to family members. Consequently black males "could not" vote, all evidence to the contrary. Best case scenarios required that they pay poll taxes -- unlike whites of either gender. It's my understanding that males "were granted" the right to vote because they were the heads of households, whereas women generally were not.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 03/26/2008

Quote: "Black's were emancipated in this country long before women were."

Women as a group were never enslaved. Are you talking about the right to vote? If so, how can you equate voting with emancipation from enslavement?

Alternatively, if you're talking about more subtle forms of discrimination, I don't know how you can fix on a particular date for the emancipation of either blacks or women, let alone compare the dates.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 03/26/2008


From McGovern's polite statements I gather that he admires Obama -- and regrets that he cannot endorse him to the public, because he didn't know enough about him when Clinton came knocking at the door. I intuit he regrets in some way backing Clinton. Am I the only one who feels this way?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 03/26/2008

Obama isn't a "black man." Using a mixed, or half white man in this analogy is inaccurate because he's simply not straight up African American. Call this observation shocking or racist, but it is what it is.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 03/26/2008

How would a white man know?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 03/26/2008

I don't understand this argument at all. If it's easier to elect a black man than a white woman, why are the rural, blue collar voters of Pennsylvania considered to be part of Hillary's base rather than Obama's?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 03/26/2008

This is bull! There trying to get the sympathy votes now-------is why they are saying this.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 03/26/2008

Not this woman.There are good women and there are bad women,she's a bad one.This arguement is just another distraction to divert the ADD ridden media away from her lies being exposed.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 03/26/2008

What does this do to the smart intelligent women who could run on their own credentials and not have to embellish their experience? I find it quite condescending to throw out the woman excuse for Hillary Clinton just because she is losing.

Obama transcended race until Clinton bought it into the campaign. That is why he won Iowa and came so close in New Hampshire and Nevada. The Clintons couldn't win until they brought his race into question(and some could say they still can't win), so it's race baiting and then setting women off against women.

I am a 48 year old white Obama supporter who happens to be a woman and who happens to be represented by this sorry excuse for a presidential candidate and I am mad as hell at her campaign and even madder that I will NEVER see a woman president because of her crappy campaign.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 03/26/2008

deb813,

I am a Black Women who would LOVE to and Plans to see a women President in office one day BUT not under any circumstances. I too am an Obama supporter. Not because he is black and I am black...that is coincidental. I feel lied to and cheated by the Clintons. I am disgusted at their behavior. I use to really like Bill Clinton and was impartial to Hillary. Now, I am just really disappointed more so disgusted. Not only did I NOT vote for her in the Feb 5th Primary but when she runs for re-election as the NY Senator she will NOT have my vote.

I may vote for her as President if she gets the Nod but that's only because the only thing worse then Hillary as president is McBush I mean McCain as President. I am not prepared for that.

OBAMA08!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 03/26/2008

ABCD, I'm a 50+ year old white male, and I too would love to see a woman as president. And if Hillary had been running in almost any other election, I might well have supported her (and I'd have supported her this time if she'd been able to beat Obama, but she can't and won't). But, there just happens to be a better choice. She's knocked on the door -- let's get more women into the Senate and the governorships that are the stepping stone to the White House. I want a female Barack Obama!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 03/26/2008

Not true I would love to vote for a woman for president.

But Senator Clinton's record???

- She opposes the international treaty to ban land mines

- She voted against the Feinstein-Leahy amendment last September restricting U.S. exports of cluster bombs to countries that use them against civilian-populated areas

- She opposes restrictions on U.S. arms transfers and police training to governments that engage in gross and systematic human rights abuses, such as Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Israel, Pakistan, Cameroon and Chad, to name only a few.

-She insists upon continuing unconditional funding for the Iraq war and has called for dramatic increases in Bush"s already bloated military budget.

- She has challenged the credibility of Amnesty International and other human rights groups that criticize policies of the United States and its allies.

- She is opposing the enforcement of U.N. Security Council resolutions challenging Pakistan, Israel and India"s nuclear weapons programs but supporting the delivery of nuclear-capable missiles and jet fighters to these countries.

- She insists that the United States should maintain the right to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear countries.

- She voted twice FOR the Patriot Act (March 2, 2006)

- She was for the Drivers Licenses and then she was not

- She said that NAFTA was good for NY State now she is not

- She was for the IRAQ war and now she is not

Queen Clinton has NO Clothes ON !!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 03/26/2008

Harder to elect a corrupt woman than a good man. Pelosi is the highest ranking Dem

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 03/26/2008

The numbers belie his statements. Women outweigh African American (men or women) in ALL govt positions - governors, senators, house representatives, etc. (MSNBC had the number up)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 03/26/2008

McGovern, go ahead and forget that there have been more female governors and Senator than blacks. Candidate are luckier when it comes to the office of the president.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 03/26/2008

Everyone who's saying this now (I'm looking at you, Geraldine) was saying the exact opposite before Hillary Clinton drove her campaign into a ditch.

Is it possible that there are other reasons that people don't want to vote for her?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 03/26/2008

Baloney. You just need the right woman. Hillary's not it. She's not intelligent enough.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 03/26/2008

wait a minute, there was one woman and a boatload of male candidates who were by light years away more qualified than HRC. Now, there are 2 candidates left, of which she (with her lying Bosnia self) is one. if that's not a testament to the absurdity of that statement, then i don't know what is! Geez, all the people, men and women alike, who voted for her must feel real complimented now!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 03/26/2008

I'm actually encouraged to see this type of talk from another prominent "experienced" Clinton surrogate. It's apparent that they are out of touch with the same people that the Obama campaign has inspired. In fact the more they attempt to marginalize him the more transparent their efforts become. More of these efforts will result in nothing but backlash from those undecided or weak HRC supporters, especially the Super delegates.

In the general election the Republicans don't have a chance against Obama. Take a look at Democrat #'s in Penn. Over 4 million to 3.2 million for the Republican party. This is a microcosm of what is happening throughout the country. Many states had both HRC and Obama receiving more votes than all of the republican candidates combined.

While there are millions of voters that are effected by the colour of Obama's skin they are trumped by millions that will rally behind him when the GOP employs their dirty tricks. Anyone who watches from afar like I do (I'm Canadian) or takes the time to reflect on the issues understands that the GOP has sold the American people short. While they narrowly elected Bush for two terms in office on the politics of division and fear the American people have begun to turn the ship around. The world will be a safer place for my kids when you elect Barrick Obama.

So keep your head up Obama supporters the general election in the fall won't even be close!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 03/26/2008

I guess that explains why there are so many more black governors than female governors.

Female Governors - 29
Black Governors - 4

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 03/26/2008

Oh, good the Clinton camp puts her uterus on display again. Please get over your uterus, step past your uterus, leave your uterus at the door, or better yet, just take your uterus and GO! I have my own uterus, and I don't think of it as often as these people want me to think of Hillary's uterus. But Hillary camp says, it's soooo hard being a woman and having a uterus! Really? It's harder being a woman than a man? How do you personally know that, I'd say both are hard in different ways. I think maybe Hillary just resents being a woman. Someone should tell her that if her uterus is such a problem for her, she can have it removed, there is that option. Thank you Hillary for suffocating the feminist movement with your whining, gender baiting uterus.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 03/26/2008

It sounds like McGovern is making a case for the Superdelegates to vote for Obama. He says its still too hard to elect a women, therefore doesn't that mean Obama is the more electable of the two?

McGovern endorese Obama!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 03/26/2008

Listen up, George. Americans are more than ready to elect a woman president, just not this woman because she is completely unqualified with regard to judgment and character.

The extent to which your assertion is belied by the facts, consider that Hillary has gotten nearly half of the popular vote in the primaries despite being completely unqualified by either judgment or character. So stop playing that game, because only a dummy would believe that lie at this stage of the contest.

I would love to see a woman president, but Hillary has proven herself to be a vile, conniving liar. We already have a vile, conniving liar in the White House. And we had a vile, conniving liar in White House before him, too. Enough, OK?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 03/26/2008

Senator McGovern, if Senator Clinton is so qualified to be President, why does she have to lie about her experience? Would you hire someone who lied on their resume?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 03/26/2008

He could be right about that point. Hillary is the right woman to try, however. She's obviously the alpha in this race. If anyone could change men's minds about this issue, it's her.

And the harder the fight, the better she looks.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 03/26/2008

Sorry to reference Katie Couric but I heard her tell Larry King the other night how disturbing it was for her when she was covering the campaign in Ohio to hear people tell her that they wouldn't vote for a woman for President. Can't remember if she specified men as the 'culprits.'

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 03/26/2008
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