U.S. Army soldiers from Third Squadron, Third Armored Cavalry Regiment rest between missions at Combat Outpost Rabiy in Mosul, 360 kilometers (225 miles) northwest of Baghdad, Iraq on Wednesday, March 26, 2008. The northern city is considered by the U.S. military as the last urban stronghold for al-Qaida in Iraq. (AP Photo/Maya Alleruzzo)

Military: Troop Strains Putting US At Risk

ROBERT BURNS | March 26, 2008 11:14 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Behind the Pentagon's closed doors, U.S. military leaders told President Bush Wednesday they are worried about the Iraq war's mounting strain on troops and their families. But they indicated they'd go along with a brief halt in pulling out troops this summer.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff did say senior commanders in Iraq should make more frequent assessments of security conditions, an idea that appeared aimed at increasing pressure for more rapid troop reductions.

The chiefs' concern is that U.S. forces are being worn thin, compromising the Pentagon's ability to handle crises elsewhere in the world.

In the war zone itself, two more American soldiers were killed Wednesday in separate attacks in Baghdad, raising the U.S. death toll to at least 4,003, according to an Associated Press count. Volleys of rockets also slammed into Baghdad's Green Zone for the third day this week, and the U.S. Embassy said three Americans were seriously wounded. At least eight Iraqis were killed elsewhere in the capital by rounds that apparently fell short.

Wednesday's 90-minute Pentagon session, held in a secure conference room known as "the Tank," was arranged by Defense Secretary Robert Gates to provide Bush an additional set of military views as he prepares to decide how to proceed in Iraq once his troop buildup, which began in 2007, runs its course by July.

"Armed with all that, the president must now decide the way ahead in Iraq," said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell. The discussion covered not only Iraq but Afghanistan, where violence has spiked, and broader military matters, said Morrell, who briefed reporters without giving details of the discussion. Some specifics were provided by defense officials, commenting on condition of anonymity in order to speak more freely.

The Joint Chiefs are particularly concerned about Afghanistan and an increasingly active Taliban insurgency.

The United States has about 31,000 troops in Afghanistan and 156,000 in Iraq.

U.S. forces in Iraq peaked at 20 brigades last year and are to be cut to 15 brigades, with a total of about 140,000 combat and support troops, by the end of July. A key question facing Bush is whether security conditions will have improved sufficiently by then to justify more reductions.

One of the leading advocates of Bush's troop buildup last year, military historian Frederick Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute, said in an interview Wednesday that security conditions in Iraq, while better, are not good enough to justify any commitment to troop reductions beyond July.

"The military reality is that it's virtually inconceivable that it will make sense to draw down below 15 brigades this year," Kagan said.

Gates has said he would like to see the total drop to 10 brigades by the end of this year, but that now looks unlikely.

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, has proposed what is commonly called a "pause" to assess the impact of having withdrawn five combat brigades since December. He has argued that it would be reckless to shrink the American force so rapidly that the gains achieved over the past year are compromised or lost entirely.

Bush is expected to endorse Petraeus' approach. If, as expected, Petraeus is given until August or September to weigh the effects of the current round of reductions, then it is unlikely that the force would get much below 15 brigades by the time Bush leaves office in January.

Bush is unlikely to announce his decision until after Petraeus and the top U.S. diplomat in Baghdad, Ryan Crocker, return to Washington next month to report to Congress.

The Joint Chiefs, who do not command troops but are legally responsible for ensuring the fitness of the forces they provide to commanders, have grown increasingly concerned that the weight of five-plus years of war in Iraq could create severe, long-term problems, particularly for the Army and Marine Corps.

In their session with Bush, the chiefs laid out their concerns about the health of the U.S. force, several defense officials said. Bush was accompanied by his chief of staff, Joshua Bolten; his national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, and Vice President Dick Cheney.

"The conversations today with the Joint Chiefs were much broader than just Iraq," Hadley said later. "It was a step-back look of what are the challenges we face here in the next decade."

A senior administration official said the chiefs generally are in sync with Petraeus on slowing the pace of troop reductions.

Morrell said Bush is "constantly asking the Joint Chiefs about the health of the force, about retention rates, about family life, and so that was a large part of the conversation today."

The session was led by Navy Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He presented the consensus view of the chiefs of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps on Iraq strategy.

Mullen and Gates have said repeatedly that in addition to reducing troop levels in Iraq, they want to shorten tour lengths for soldiers from 15 months to 12 months as soon as possible. A decision to do that is expected, perhaps shortly after Bush reaffirms that the number brigades in Iraq will be cut to 15 by July. The Army calculates that at that point it could drop tours to 12 months and still give units at least 12 months at home to recover, retrain and rearm before deploying again.

Morrell said a decision on shortening tour lengths would be made by Gates in consultation with Bush.

"We are not there yet," Morrell said.

Shortly after they Petraeus and Crocker reported to Congress last September Bush announced the decision to reduce the number of combat brigades from 20 to 15.

At the time, Petraeus said additional cuts would be made but that he needed to wait until this spring to recommend a timetable. Since September, violence in Iraq has ebbed and U.S. and Iraqi casualties have declined markedly, although violence has jumped in recent weeks.

The president is to give a speech Thursday in Ohio on the political and economic situation in Iraq.

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Associated Press writer Jennifer Loven contributed to this report.


 
 

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To the troops: aim your weapons in the proper direction. Remember the Constitution, remember patriotism, remember America. Defend us against the enemies closest to our home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 03/27/2008

So... Napoleon has conquered Russia, his army is in Moscow without provisions, and winter is coming...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 03/27/2008

All we are saying, is Give peace a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 AM on 03/27/2008

They are simply makeing excuse's to stay longe, when nothing is working. In the mean time, it makes it more dangerouse there and at home. We can't KILL our military at this rate, and not suffer for it. It's time to get out! It's strange this blows up after Mccains visit. I know people there don't want us to stay there any longer. It just means more killings. Who ever seattles this country, it shouldn't be done with Americans blood. We've given enough of our loved ones to this senseless war. We shouldn't have started it in the first place! Now , we need to end it for everyone sake!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 03/27/2008

This is something else that the MSM has completely forgotten about. Two years ago, the military was falling apart because of the stress and lack of equipment both here and in Iraq. All of a sudden with the surge the MSM has bought the koolaid that all is now rosy. Everything is ok in the Army because this administration stifled any dissent from any advisor be it civilian or military and the MSM quit asking and investigating. It seems utterly rediculous that the military can heal itself in a year, but I guess that the media seems to think so.

Come on and do your job. Tell the public how bad the military is really broken and what a great snow job the Bush administration has done hiding the fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 03/27/2008

Putting what at risk?
Corporate interests?
Who is threatening to invade us lately?
Perhaps our global hegemony is at risk but I doubt that.
U.s. has enough money to flood the world with troops, threats,
and treats for the puppets and quislings

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 AM on 03/27/2008

U.s. has enough money to flood the world with troops, threats,
and treats for the puppets and quislings -- said ribe8g. Well, we used to. The taxpayer is tired of this bullsh1t now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 03/27/2008

Military Brutality at its Worst
What you are about to watch may shock you. What you are about to watch is not from a video game. What you are about to watch is not a movie. No, it is actually footage of the grotesque and unthinkable brutality that war brings.

When a mechanized military desensitizes its soldiers to kill with deadly precision and exclaim, "Oh, dude!" after a crowd of innocent women and children are blown up, shredded by shrapnel and brutally executed by a sophisticated weapon of the United States military that is no longer defending a nation but perpetuating a war of choice.

Warning: This video may shock the conscience!
http://ranellirants.blogspot.com/2006/11/military-brutality-at-its-worst.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 03/27/2008

That video has mysteriously disappeared from You Tube.

Perhaps because of their zero tolerance policy for reality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 03/27/2008

The censorship here in the USSR sure is great !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 03/27/2008

Veterans Issues: MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS "AND" SUPPORTING BUSH

I would argue that if you support President Bush, you support policies that actually do great harm to our troops. To demonstrate why this is true, I offer the following summary of President Bush's policies regarding our troops:

In a time of WAR,
20. In January 2006, a secret Marine Corps report determined that 80% of the Marines killed in Iraq and Afghanastan between April of 2004 and June of 2005 could have survived if their body armor was more effective.

http://janets-conner.blogspot.com/2006/08/veterans-issues-mission-impossible.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 03/27/2008

2/1/2003: "I'm not reading this. This is bullshit." - Colin Powell

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 03/27/2008

Speaking of strain, now bout that 3 trillion dollars this will all cost...if it ends this year. More years, more trillions. And, just as a point of reality reference, do you know how high a stack of 3 trillion US one dollar bills would go?

203,598 miles

That's almost 90% of the way to tne moon.

Do you know how many Apollo programs this money would buy (not taking into account 1960 vs 2008 dollars)?

125 Apollo Programs

And what if you put the one dollar bills end to end?

290,719,697 miles...or better than half way to Saturn. Another way to envision it, is it would span the circumference of the Earth's orbit around the sun, almost exactly (the dollar ring's radius at 92,556,414 miles being almost exactly the same as the Earth's orbit around the sun radius).

And what do we get for all this, in concrete, real world terms? The warm fuzzy feeling of security, that can in no way be quantified.

Sleep well children...our government is paying a whole lot of our money out for us to be "secure". Just don't ask how secure, cause they can't tell you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 03/27/2008

One more analog...

The total land surface area of the Earth is, according to Wikipedia, as follows...

92,547,025 square miles

3 trillion 1 dollar bills total surface area is as follows (at 6.14 x 2.61 inches)...

758,778,409 square miles

This means you could wallpaper the entire land surface of the Earth 8 dollar bills deep.

How bout the entire surface area, including oceans?

316,944,046 square miles

This equates to a little more than 2 dollars deep over the entire surface of the Earth.

Does this adequately underline how insane this much money actually is?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 03/27/2008

The three trillion dollars we are wasting in the Iraq War Crime,

could replace all electricity generation in the USA with clean solar and wind power,

even if you electrify all the cars and trucks.

Energy Crisis solved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 AM on 03/27/2008

My point was to bring down to Earth the relative meaning of 3 trillion dollars. The number is impossible to grasp in normal terminology.

And there are MANY MANY things those trillions could have been used for to achieve positive advancements for all mankind. Nothing of what it has been used for in this "war" is positive, other than perhaps Bushemada's claim that it's good for the economy. Stop building homes, and get back to building weapons to be used in Bushemada's eternal war.

And one more relative comparison....

3 trillion 1 dollar bills, laid end to end would circumnavigate the Earth 12,113 times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 03/27/2008

I liked your comment.

I like to point out the energy solution, because that is the reason for the war crime in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 03/27/2008

There will BE NO DRAFT. That's exactly WHY the military is being so criminally misused (and I do mean criminally. Recruiters lie with complete impunity about stop-loss etc.) -- because bush/cheney dare not institute the DRAFT. The day they do that is the day America finally does what it should have been doing all along. Americans will flood the streets marching on Washington. There will be no peace for them until they pull out of Iraq. They know this. They know that as long as they just torture and overuse "the military we have", they can go on doing it indefinitely. Americans don't really care. Not enough of us care, that is for sure. You've even got your smarmy group of "they knew what they were signing up for, nobody forced them!" sociopaths on the "left" to keep them feeling comfortable and righteous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 AM on 03/27/2008

Knowing all this as we do, WHY do we all continue to treat CNN's Michael Ware as some kind of hero, when in fact he has a very clear hand-in-glove relationsship with the war criminal war profiteers of BUSHCO? Michael Ware is an Austrailian, not-American, not loyal to you, me, or our exhausted troops, 21st century Scud Stud, and a by-God DECIDER to boot. "You americans CAN NOT leave Iraq!" he sayeth. And we treat him like the Christ child in Bethlehem. Michael Ware is reverently quoted even by the irreverent Jack Cafferty, though nothing he says agrees with Cafferty's usual reasoning. Michael Ware is LOVED in the Republican blogosphere for being "real" as he backs up everything those sociopaths believe in.

Liaten to Michael Ware sometime. He will make you sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 03/27/2008

WHO KNEW!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 03/26/2008

This same story has popped up at least once a month now for the last few years... Ok already, I get.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 03/26/2008

Why would you not hold Congressional hearings on the simple question of priorities in the military budget given the creation by the present administration of an inextricable peacekeeping force in the Middle East? Wouldn't this be an obvious time to force the Pentagon's congressional-industrial forcefeeders to come clean on the kinds of sacrifice that are really necessary to support our troops? Why do we have to wait for smuggled reports from the military itself to find out that they don't have enough of anything to keep this up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 03/26/2008

Congressional hearings will not happen as long as this facist administration and obstructionist Warpublicons in congress refuse to comply, turn over documents and claim everything is executive privledge. EVERY Warpublicon that supports the moron in the oval office and his oil war should be voted out of office in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 03/27/2008

The headline is more bullshit. Lies. The U.S. is absolutely not at risk. Risk of what? Take at look at most any other country and tell me that we are at risk. The military, pentagon, and defense departments need to shrink not grow. We need to bring our 'well trained militia' home. We need to relieve the country, the taxpayers, and the world of our offensive weapons and military stance and strengthen our defense. That means, stop acting like an empire. That means using our national treasury for infrastructure, for health care, for social security and medicare, for alternative energy development, for doing things that enhance and improve life instead of taking life. We need the American people to make the sacrifices necessary to make the world a better place for all people. We don't need more graves for people dying for lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 03/26/2008

Don't tell US, speak with the decider, its his war, and his failure, and he'll just walk away, as the surge is what it was all about!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 03/26/2008

Sickening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 03/26/2008

yep they just keep pushing and pushing these soldiers with no end in site and yet Bush Cheney run their mouths about Iran and any other countries that do not bow down to them. With McCain wanting to keep with Bush's policy plus 95 more years, all you coward neocon chickenhawks had better get ready because when our current troops are to burnt out to fight, they will be coming for you and or your kids sorry ass and it will come in the form of a draft. But don't worry we will sit back and wave the flag and drink a cold one for you as you stay your new course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 03/26/2008

As a Veteran I really hope it never goes that far.
YET, if it does, THEN all those chickenhawks would be FIGHTING HARD AS HELL,

To stay out of the war.

I've served my country and am so far out of the military they'd NEVER be able to drag me back in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 03/27/2008

Didn't they say the same darn thing last year, this time?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 03/26/2008

Cheney says "So? They volunteered."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 03/26/2008

U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld once described the matter: "You have to go to war with the Army you have", that is, you go to war with improper equipment, inadequate manpower, no strategy, no exit strategy, and an Army poorly led. So does anyone wish to guess the outcome of the Army we went to war with which right now is FUBAR? Like everything that Bush as had a hand in throughout his adult life the outcome is failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 03/26/2008

I figured this out a while back. What took them so long to come to the same conclusion?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 03/26/2008

Answer: Looking out for their own careers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 03/26/2008

Is Vicki Iseman here? Where is Vicki Iseman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 03/26/2008

You haven't saw anything yet until McNutt gets elected!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 03/26/2008

I am a former Marine and OIF Veteran. And it sickens me to no end that flag officers (Generals) lack the fortitude to tell civilian leaders the truth. So many of these men have gotten where they are by being 'yes men', but they preach the opposite sermon to their troops. A professional military of volunteers is great, but the downside are opportunistic leaders who are more political than the civilians they answer to. Funny how the US is set up to avoid a fiefdom-type system of near monarchial obedience, but human nature gravitates to it anyway. We have a crazed King in the WH and a military of incompetents and social climbers. Ironically, this sounds just like Great Britain under King George during the Revolutionary War.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 03/26/2008

THANK you!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 03/26/2008
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