In this image taken from video, armed men are seen Wednesday, March 26, 2008, in Basra, Iraq. Iraq's prime minister on Wednesday gave gunmen in the southern oil port of Basra three days to surrender their weapons and renounce violence as clashes between security forces and Shiite militia fighters erupted for a second day. (AP Photo/APTN)

Militiamen Holding Out in Basra Fighting

KIM GAMEL | March 26, 2008 06:16 PM EST | AP

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BAGHDAD — Iraq's prime minister warned gunmen in the oil port of Basra to surrender their weapons by Friday or face harsher measures, as clashes between security forces and Shiite militia fighters spread throughout the south and in Baghdad.

Despite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's ultimatum Wednesday, government troops in Basra were having trouble making inroads into neighborhoods that the radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army has controlled for years. Residents spoke of militiamen using mortar shells, sniper fire, roadside bombs and rocket-propelled grenades to fight off security forces.

A Pentagon official said reports from the Basra area indicate that militiamen had overrun a number of police stations and that it was unclear how well the Iraqi security forces were performing overall. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

Al-Maliki, a Shiite, remained in Basra to supervise a crackdown against the spiraling violence between militia factions vying for control of the center of Iraq's vast oil industry, located near the Iranian border. The events threatened to unravel a Mahdi Army cease-fire and spark a dramatic escalation in violence after a monthslong period of relative calm.

Street battles that broke out Tuesday in Basra and Baghdad's main Shiite district of Sadr City spread to several other neighborhoods and southern cities, leaving nearly 140 dead, including civilians, Iraqi security forces and militants. That two-day figure was a rough estimate provided by police and hospital officials who could not give a more specific breakdown.

In Baghdad, 16 rockets slammed into the U.S.-protected Green Zone, the U.S. military said, as the heavily fortified area was hammered for the third time this week. One soldier with the U.S.-led coalition, two American civilians and an Iraqi soldier were wounded in the attacks, it said.

At least 11 Iraqis were killed elsewhere in the capital by rounds that apparently fell short, police said.

Two American soldiers were also killed Wednesday in separate attacks in Baghdad, the military said, raising the overall U.S. death toll since the war started more than five years ago to at least 4,003, according to an Associated Press count.

The Sadrists are angry over recent raids and detentions, saying U.S. and Iraqi forces have taken advantage of the August cease-fire to crack down on the movement.

They have accused rival Shiite parties, which control Iraqi security forces, of engineering the arrests to prevent them from mounting an effective campaign after the Iraqi parliament agreed in February to hold provincial elections by the fall.

Anthony Cordesman, an analyst at the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, cautioned against dismissing those concerns.

"The current fighting is as much a power struggle for control of the south, and the Shiite parts of Baghdad and the rest of the country, as an effort to establish central government authority and legitimate rule," he said in an analysis.

The U.S. military insisted the fight was not against al-Sadr's movement but breakaway factions believed to be funded and trained by Iran, which has denied the allegations.

"This is not a battle against the Jaish al-Mahdi nor is it a proxy war between the United States and Iran," military spokesman Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner said, using the Arabic term for the Mahdi Army. "It is the government of Iraq taking the necessary action to deal with criminals on the streets."

President Bush told The Times of London in an interview published Wednesday that the Iraqi government's decision to "respond forcefully" was a "positive moment in the development of a sovereign nation that is willing to take on elements that believe they are beyond the law."

There is minimal U.S. presence in Basra, Iraq's second-largest city 340 miles southeast of Baghdad.

British forces turned over responsibility for Basra to the Iraqis in late December but say they will assist the Iraqis upon request.

British troops have remained at their base at the airport outside Basra and were not involved in the ground fighting, although British planes were providing air surveillance, according to the British Ministry of Defense. It said the Iraqis had not asked the British to intervene.

Some 2,000 Iraqi troops reinforcements were sent to Basra, where gunfire echoed through the streets.

Sadiq al-Rikabi, a chief adviser to al-Maliki, said gunmen in Basra who turn over their weapons to police stations by Friday and sign a pledge renouncing violence will not face prosecution.

"Any gunman who does not do that within these three days will be an outlaw," he said.

Despite the government presence, the militiamen appeared to be holding their positions.

Khaldoon Faisal, a 35-year-old taxi driver in Basra's Jamhoriyah area, said the Mahdi Army was putting up fierce resistance with grenades, bombs, mortar shelling and sniper fire.

"My neighborhood now is under the control of the Mahdi Army," Faisal said. He said Iraqi armored vehicles were in the main street but that "they cannot go deep into the neighborhood."

Police Lt. Col. Ali Sabri said the Mahdi army was surrounding a police training center in northern Basra but that "fierce fighting is taking place and police are defending the site."

Essam Abbas, a 31-year-old barber in western Basra, said "the Mahdi Army controls an Iraqi army base in the area because Iraqi troops fled the scene, leaving their vehicles and weapons."

He said supplies of food and drinking water were running short.

"Why did al-Maliki come to Basra and bring with him this tragedy?" Faisal said.

Hundreds of Shiites took to the streets in Sadr City and Karbala on Wednesday, demanding the government stop military operations in Basra and other cities and withdraw all security forces.

The deadliest clashes were in Basra, where at least 47 people were killed and 223 wounded in the two days of fighting, hospital officials said. The clashes in Baghdad left 39 dead and dozens wounded; 23 of those killed were in Sadr City.

A mortar barrage struck homes amid clashes in the Shiite city of Kut southeast of Baghdad, killing 15 civilians, including a woman and her grandson, according to police.

Clashes also broke out between Mahdi Army elements and Iraqi troops backed by U.S. helicopters in Hillah, and 19 fighters were killed, police Capt. Muthanna Khalid said. The American military said four Shiite extremists were killed in an airstrike supporting Iraqi forces.

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Associated Press writers Bushra Juhi and Qassim Abdul-Zahra in Baghdad and Robert Burns in Washington contributed to this report.


 

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A Pentagon official said reports from the Basra area indicate that militiamen had overrun a number of police stations and that it was unclear how well the Iraqi security forces were performing overall. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

A quote from the article pointing out how weak the Iraqi army and police forces are. But people are posting on this thread stuff like "Gee. Look how well the Iraqi Army is doing" , "I'm surprised how well they are doing".

Newsflash: The Iraqi Army hasn't done a thing. Nada. The militia will slaughter these sad sacks. Take it to the bank.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 03/27/2008

Huffington Post: "Iraq Militia Violence Continues Despite Government Ultimatum To Surrender". What is this kind of language? The title should be something like: "The US occupiers breaks the agreed ceasefire with the Mahdi army" It was the US who broke the agreed ceasefire with Sadr by raiding the Mahdi army. The US are the invaders, the US are the violent attackers, the US are the foreign occupiers. And Maliki is a puppet of the US. There is no real democracy. No real constitution, and now the US is "negotiating" a long term post-Bush permanent military occupation in Iraq. There is no such thing as an Iraqui army. Those are US paid, armed and controlled militias.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 03/27/2008

Could it be that Al-Maliki is solidifying his "political" base? Getting rid of any potential rivals to the establishment be it Sunni or in this case, Shiite. The notion that Al-Maliki (in my opinion) is an American puppet is absurd. He is corrupt and in bed with Iran. The invasion of Iraq by GWBush openned up the pandora's box and put our country at greater risk, strategically and economically - GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 03/27/2008

Being wrong is not grounds for impeachment. If it were every president including George Washington would have been impeached.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 03/27/2008

sonofdy1,

Good point. George would be better institutionalized for his psychosis. But that would leave you with the Devil as president. The evil tycoon that couldn't shoot straight Cheney.

The bombing of Iran would start like ten minutes later. Armaggeddon in a week perhaps.

Oil barons always make the best politicians. I guess because they are so honest and patriotic.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 03/27/2008

Poor Huffpost. It used to work so well. What happened? It's becoming unusable anymore.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 03/27/2008

I see this as a good sign. The IRAQIS are doing the fighting. If they win this, it proves the IRAQI army can handle things and more us troops can be withdrawn. So I say lets wait to see how it comes out. If the sadr militias are beaten, then we should see at least one or two us brigades withdrawn and thier AO's turned over to the IRAQI army. I am as eager to see this end as all of you, but the major difference is I want to see a victory of some kind for the usa. Then I want to see the us army pulled out. After that, I don't really care.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 03/27/2008

sonofdy1,

I read where the al-Sadr Mahdi Army has 60,000 fighters in Basra. So far only small skirmishes have been contested. Iraqi Army vs. Mahdi Army is one thing and one thing only. Full scale civil war.

I don't understand how whether the United States sitting there watching is accomplishing anything. Why do they have to stay till after the conflict is over?

Why not let them have at it? Let the best man win and to the victor go the spoils? We had a civil war here didn't we?

I think this notion that somehow America can or needs to control what goes on in Iraq due to some urgent security threat is patently false. We are not fighting anybody "over there". Shooting a few Al-Queda here or a few "insurgents" there or some Shiite militia in Basra only bolsters muslim resolve and creates martyrs to be venerated.

You first have to understand the muslim mind. Lacking that you could flounder around over there
ad infinitum as the current situation illustrates.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 03/27/2008

But, but the surge is working ....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 03/27/2008

It did, before the surge, the iraqi army could never have done even this much.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 03/27/2008

Not much return for those 4000 dead americans and 12 billion a month.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 03/27/2008

Victory is never cheap, defeat is always more expensive.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 03/27/2008

I'm sure your sense of Victory is a lot of comfort for those kids who will never see their dad and mom again.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 03/27/2008

BAGHDAD - Shiite militiamen are everywhere. Police and Iraqi army checkpoints are nowhere in sight. U.S. soldiers are keeping their distance.

Is the Shiite militia "surging"? They are estimated at a strength of 60,000! ..........Substantial.

Maybe that's why Iraq has been touted as being so "peaceful" by Bush and McCain.

When you just let militia's run whole sections of the country it stands to reason that as long as they are unchallenged they go about their merry way. Executing. Collecting protection money. Manning checkpoints and charging tribute for entry and exit. They even control the electricity and water supplies. Seems like a pretty good life for Al-sadr and his gang of TERRORISTS!

The plain truth is that Al-sadr and his gang are what Bush & Co. are supposed to be ridding the country of. They don't seem to be up to the task. To engage this large heavily armed militia in Basra would be a disaster for the US and the Iraqi Army.

Whoever thought that these people were just going to roll over and whimper like puppies at the sight of the big, bad, American invaders was so very sadly mistaken.

My suggestion?

Give the whole thing to al-Sadr lock, stock & barrell. Beg a thousand pardons for the intrusion and get the hell out of Dodge.

He appears to be the only figure with the leadership skills (think Saddam) needed to gain some control. Democracy is impossible unfortunately.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 03/27/2008

WOW, I WAS SURE THE FIGHTING WOULD STOP. Boy, I thought the militia would cave instantly when the Maliki government issued its ultimatum. What a surprise!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 03/27/2008

Bush says:

"IT'S DOUBLE-PLUS-GOOD!"

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 03/27/2008

Well ... it seems like the Iraqi government and security forces are ready to take over the job of securing the country and we're no longer needed. Good. Bring our troops home now ... ASAP.

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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 03/27/2008

Who's the enemy? That is the key question that we don't know and clearly no one in DC knows it either. We are fighting at least 3 civil wars simultaneously (Shia against Shia, Sunni against Sunni, and Sunni against Shia). In addition, all involved in civil wars are happy to put their wars on hold to fight US. Starting 6th year of this clusterfuck. It wasn't planned from the beginning, any valid military advise was rejected, and only ideological strategies were allowed. Now we are just in a holding mode solely to prevent from the immense collapse that is coming from happening under Bush.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 03/27/2008

Interesting that the article mentioned the Iraqi government issuing an "ultimatum" to the insurgents...
what, like "stop, or............................we'll ask you to stop again!"?
Has the Iraqi Army gone past the jumping jack stage? I thought that once they were trained to "defend" themselves, we were going to leave.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 03/27/2008

No it was stop or well sick the Americans on you. This is really scary. We have made Iran more powerful and now Iraq is on the brink of falling to AlSadr who will be an extension of the Iranians. So let's see how the improved Middle East is going: Hamas (as in Iran sponsored Hamas) in control in Palestine, Iran has more power in Lebanon, Syria has become more hostile and is doing Iran's dirty work, and Iraq is on the verge of collapsing - not to Sunni insurgents, but to radical pro-Iranian AlSadr. Let's not forget that next door Afghanistan and Pakistan falling apart to Sunni extremists.

That beacon of Democracy didn't turn out so good, now did it?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 03/27/2008

Ah! Bush's legacy. As it all pans out, he's sure to shed many a tear of joy over all he's done for the world.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 03/27/2008

The beacon got taken out of the antiquities museum during the looting the first week....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 03/27/2008

What! but but but but just this week McCain just said we were winning! How can this be??

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 03/27/2008

No moderators? We can talk?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 03/27/2008

Too bad Carter stopped the Neutron bomb development.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 03/27/2008

Carter is the reason why were in this mess. He let hostages be kept for over 400 days by an element of extreme Islam. Way to go!!!!!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 03/27/2008

Carter screwed up many things but he didn't screw up iraq. You can thanks the british for that one.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 03/27/2008

Wrong, there were other forces at work such as Bush the Elder. Study the subject, then talk.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 03/27/2008

Aside from the fact that you're wrong, I guess creating an ally of Iran wasn't such a good idea.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 03/27/2008

that was iran not iraq.look up us iran history.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 03/27/2008

Blah blah blah blah blah........

Nothing but pessimistic rhetoric from the far left. 4000 dead, 30 million freed. the odds are in our favor. We will not pull out and let millions get slautered like we did in Vietnam. Get with the program.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 AM on 03/27/2008

Ironicly The Khemer rouge numbered around 5,000 prior to the rather disaterous US intervention at the wars end they numbered some 60,000 by the wars end. Saddly the once US weapons started following into Cambodia the native cambodians used them to "ethnicaly cleanse" many areas of native Vietnams which in hindsight was an indication of things to come.

By the time for any succesful counter insurgency had quickly passed and then the government forces reduced to controling the capitol a totally hopeless situation without MASSIVE US intervention. With US seeking disengagement in South Vietnam there was just no change of that. With massive decent at home, many refusing the draft and poor moral it was a forlong hope of saving the situation.

It is suprising that Many americans remain or have a revisonist views of the Vietnam war.
It is quiet sad to see the same mistake made in Iraq

"Those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
George Santayana:

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 03/27/2008

So Iraqis will slaughter each other if we leave and then they'll allow al Qaeda to have a safe haven.

Isn't there any way we can get the Iraqis on our side?

We weren't responsible for what happened in Vietnam after we left, Vietnamese were.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 AM on 03/27/2008

and maybe if w3e had left sooner before doing things like forcing neutral countries into w3ar that might not have happened.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 03/27/2008

Pessimistic rhetoric? Oh no sqwerl, if anything the rhetoric is too optimistic. I mean much as I hope that the surge fails, the al-Maliki-Bush-puppet government collapses, and all-out civil war of some kind breaks out in Iraq, it would be unduly optimistic of me to write, as some others have written, as though any of those things were about to happen. I swear some days the only bright spot is that China allows abortion.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 AM on 03/27/2008

OVER A MILLION INNOCENT SLAUGHTERED.
BILLIONS RIPPED OFF.
Since you think that ILLEGAL WAR$ of AGGRE$$ION are so great, why aren't you in Iraq?
Uranium the suspect behind Military Suicides?: http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=0&p=28384&s2=20 Army made VIDEO of dangers of DU yet NEVER showed it to the troops: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/CNN_Agent_Orange_tame_compared_to_0206.html

http://groups.msn.com/impeachbushcheneyusurpation/chickenhawks.msnw

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 AM on 03/27/2008

By GW=MCHammered, January 7 at 8:49 am #
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For the posterity sake, IMPEACH
For the posterity sake, IMPEACH AND EXILE BU$H-CHENEY:

They lied about Jessica Lynch"s rescue (even according to Jessica).

They lied about the way Saddam"s statue came down.

They lied about protecting American skies, even as they closed Air National Guard bases.

They lied about protecting America when they rebuked southern Border Guard authority.

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(and from #121732 by Greg Bacon posted at TD on 12/21)

They lied repeatedly--and still do to this day--about Saddam Hussein having connections to al-Qaeda.

They lied about the intelligence briefings both then NSA head Condi Rice and GW Bush had received in the Summer of 2001.

They lied about knowing the possibilities of someone using an airplane as a weapon to attack buildings.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 03/27/2008