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Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean gestures during an interview with The Associated press, Thursday, March 27, 2008, at DNC Headquarters in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

WASHINGTON — Democratic Party chief Howard Dean says Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton and their supporters should beware of tearing each other down, demoralizing the base and damaging the party's chances of winning the White House in November.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Dean also said he hopes the Democratic nominee will be determined shortly after the voting ends in early June and that he will encourage the superdelegates who will play a role to make up their minds before the August convention in Denver.

Dean said the charges and countercharges between Clinton and Obama have gotten too personal at times. He declined to say how they have crossed the line, but he said he's made it clear privately when it has happened.

"You do not want to demoralize the base of the Democratic Party by having the Democrats attack each other," he said Thursday during the interview in his office at Democratic National Committee headquarters. "Let the media and the Republicans and the talking heads on cable television attack and carry on, fulminate at the mouth. The supporters should keep their mouths shut about this stuff on both sides because that is harmful to the potential victory of a Democrat."

Superdelegates _ the nearly 800 party and elected officials who can support whomever they choose at the convention, regardless of what happens in the primaries _ should make up their minds before August to avoid a fight at the convention, Dean said.

"There is no point in waiting," he said. The Democratic political organization "is as good or better as the Republicans,' and we haven't been able to say that for about 30 years. But that all doesn't make any difference if people are really disenchanted or demoralized by a convention that's really ugly and nasty."

Dean commented during a wide-ranging, 40-minute interview about his leadership during a nominating season that has lasted longer than most expected and that has left the party with some tough issues to resolve. Among them:

_ Florida and Michigan Democrats brazenly violated party rules by holding primaries ahead of schedule and lost their delegates to the convention as punishment. Both states are now demanding that they not be shut out of the decision-making process because of it.

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_ Since neither Clinton nor Obama are likely to secure the nomination with just the delegates won in the primaries and caucuses, the nominee will probably be determined by the superdelegates. That has some activists objecting that insiders could overturn the will of the voters.

_ Dean has raised record amounts of money _ the $51.5 million the DNC brought in in 2007 was a record for a non-election year. And he's spent it, too, on trying to build organizations in the 50 states. Campaign finance reports this month show the party with $4.5 million after accounting for debt, compared with $25 million for the Republican National Committee _ and the Democrats have no nominee to help replenish the coffers.

_ Not to mention that Clinton's and Obama's campaigns spend every day trying to tear each other down _ and are unlikely to stop anytime soon _ while Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the certain Republican nominee, is busy preparing for the general election. Even Dean said he doesn't expect the campaign to end until the last nominating contest is held in June.

Dean, the former governor of Vermont and 2004 presidential candidate, said he knows his critics say he should take a bigger leadership role in resolving some of these disputes. But he said that's not his role. Rather, he thinks of himself as a referee who enforces the rules in a close basketball game.

"Somebody is going to lose," Dean said. "My job is to make sure the person who loses feels like they have been treated fairly so that their supporters will support the winner."

But former Michigan Gov. James Blanchard said the DNC has handled the situation badly.

"They have put their rules ahead of common sense, of electing a Democratic president, of the voters in two major states," Blanchard, a Clinton supporter, said during the taping of Michigan public television's "Off the Record" program. "They're treating the rules like they're the U.S. Constitution or the Ten Commandments. They've lost their way."

Dean said the massive numbers of people showing up to participate in Democratic nominating contests across the country gives him encouragement that the eventual nominee will be well-positioned to win the White House.

He said it is good for the candidates to debate controversies like the incendiary sermons by Obama's pastor and Clinton's different accounts of danger on a trip to Bosnia as first lady. If Democrats didn't deal with them now, he said Republicans will surely make use of them in the fall.

Dean also reflected the concerns of many Democrats who worry about Obama and Clinton tearing each other down.

"What I don't want to do is have the Democrats make a stupid mistake in April and then be sorry they said that in October and end up with some more right-wing extremists on the Supreme Court," he said.

Dean's supporters say he's working behind the scenes to resolve some of the issues. He's been consulting with party stalwarts about how to wrap up the nomination quickly after the voting ends in June, including former Vice President Al Gore, former presidential candidate John Edwards, former Sen. George Mitchell, former President Carter, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, civil rights activist Jesse Jackson and former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo.

"There'll be some nasty fights if it goes to convention, and people will walk out," Dean said. "But I've also been talking to a fairly significant number of, by and large, nonaligned people about how we might resolve this."

Dean wouldn't talk in detail about what the plan is, but it likely involves encouraging superdelegates to pick a candidate shortly after the voting ends. He said he will not encourage any delegate to vote one way or another.

"I am going to stand up for the rules, and I know I'm doing the right thing most of the time because I've got both Clinton people and Obama people mad at me," he said.

For instance, while Obama's campaign has been encouraging superdelegates to support the candidate with the most pledged delegates _ which almost certainly will be Obama _ Dean says the rules don't require that and superdelegates are free to chose who they want.

On the other side, Clinton has been arguing lately that even pledged delegates _ awarded to a candidate based on the outcome of state contests _ aren't bound to vote for that candidate at the convention. Dean called that "a very technical argument."

"You aren't going to get pledged delegates to move unless something really shocking happens," he said. And he thinks it unlikely the superdelegates would support a candidate who did not have the most pledged delegates.

Dean also said the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. But he won't force a resolution because he said there's nothing the Obama and Clinton campaigns can support at this point.

"You bring both sides together and say, `Don't you think it's time that the two campaigns made a deal on how we're going to do this?'" Dean said. "Let me just say that the campaigns believe that kind of a deal is premature right now."

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Associated Press Writer Kathy Barks Hoffman in Lansing, Mich., contributed to this report.

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Dean is a fine one to talk. It is his idiotic andling of the Mich & Fla primaries that has turned the race into such a quagmire. Of course the media has played a role just as significant. But, DEan, in his own inimitable style, has managed to piss-off Demorats. Yes, it is true the senators campaign folks have gotten longwinded & made several divisive remarks in recent months. And yes that should be decried by those who support the party. But that DOES NOT remove his responsibility for the quagmire. And his comments in recent weeks have more than cemented possible party fractures. For if he was not so adddddmantly opposed ot seating delegates fromFLa & Mich the outcome of the party's race would not be in question: Sen Clinton would have a clear delegate lead over Sen Obama. Mr Dean is the person most responsible for this problem & he ought to keep his mouth shut. Democrats WILL unify behind our candidate regardless of which senator wins with a positive platform in the general election. After all, our aim is to prevent the Republicans & Sen McCain from the WHite House & to restore America's position of leadership, responsible government at home & abroad & to end the immoral, illegal, harmful wr in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 03/28/2008

Here is what Pelosi and Dean fail to understand­...

...the dems are split deeply. Obama and Clinton are figureheads, and gender and race factor in, but it's more about how dissatisfied the dems are with politics in Washington. Some are okay with the status quo; others are disenchanted and want to move on. I, for one, am ready to try something else!

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'. ~ Bob Dylan

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 03/28/2008
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The Clintons are fast becoming radioactive and political pariahs. Is there space in Yucca mountain? We need to make space.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 03/28/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 496 fans permalink
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Native Amreicans have enough problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 03/28/2008

Dean also said the Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 03/28/2008

Not actually.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 03/28/2008
- cowman I'm a Fan of cowman 6 fans permalink

I think he just meant that they'll be invited and have chairs waiting to sit in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 03/28/2008
- Skyhawk I'm a Fan of Skyhawk 24 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 03/28/2008
- wolfi101 I'm a Fan of wolfi101 4 fans permalink

Not at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 03/28/2008
- nazgul I'm a Fan of nazgul 10 fans permalink

Not only is HRC, a Dem, actually, unethtically trying to paint Obama as a black panther Muslim, which is a heckuva lot different from calling your opponent unethical, when she is, but she and Bill are out there promoting McCain. Bill's at it again.

It's obvious they want McCain to beat Obama if HRC can't steal the nomination.

And the Party leaders are going to sit by and watch it happen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 03/28/2008
- alaintex I'm a Fan of alaintex 2 fans permalink

It’s shocking how Deans word sound when you substitute Democrat and Republican for Clinton and Obama, and America for the Democratic Party and the Iraq conflict for the election.

Howard Dean says Democrats, Republicans and their supporters should beware of tearing each other down, demoralizing the country and damaging America's chances of winning in Iraq.

Dean said the charges and countercharges between Republicans and Democrats have gotten too personal at times.

"You do not want to demoralize the average American by having the Democrats and Republicans attack each other," he said

"Let the outsiders attack and carry on, fulminate at the mouth. The supporters should keep their mouths shut about this stuff on both sides because that is harmful to the potential victory in Iraq."

Dean also reflected the concerns of many Americans who worry about Democrats and Republicans tearing each other down.

"You bring both sides together and say, `Don't you think it's time that the two party’s made a deal on how we're going to end this war?'"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 03/28/2008
- CommieKazi I'm a Fan of CommieKazi 6 fans permalink

too personal??
hehe yea right ok dean
wait til penn then denver
gona make today and 68 look like church social
u aint seen nothin yet from dems,most vicious beotches on planet!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 03/28/2008

Go back to scratching your name and number on the back of shit house doors, Commie

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 03/28/2008
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Vince Foster was a casualty of a Bosnian sniper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 03/28/2008
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Did Hillary duck and run then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 03/28/2008

Did the duck come before or after the run? That is the question.

By the way, Chelsea has officially lost her "innocence" after also mis-stating about the sniper fire they heroically faced in Bosnia

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 03/28/2008
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You are pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 03/28/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Right, but Bill and Hill's sleazy antics are acceptable to you. Having a half dozen affairs on your wife is acceptable to you. Lying, cheating and stealing is acceptable to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 03/28/2008
- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

4003 soldiers were casualties of presidential greed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 03/28/2008
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"Secondly, she landed at Eagle Base in Tuzla, Bosnia in a C-17. At that time, it was the most secure location in country, being an old Russian MIG base. The compound was very well fortified and snipers weren't an issue for us. They never were during the entire mission, except maybe in Sarajevo. Our biggest issue was landmines, again, not an issue at Eagle Base as it had been very well cleared."

Dayton Accords were signed in November, 1995. Clinton visited in March 1996. What was the state of the hostilities at the time?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 03/28/2008
- Smartey I'm a Fan of Smartey 3 fans permalink

I heard Howard Dean has refused to step in on this situation because he isn't happy with either candidate. He has stated that he prefered Dennis Kucinich, the congressman from Pluto, and if Dennis couldn't get the votes, then Dean wanted it to be the first Islamic gay president. I'm not sure who he had in mind to fit that mold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 03/28/2008
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I am going to memorize your name and throw my head away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 03/28/2008

LMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 03/28/2008
- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

gay?

Obama isn't republican.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 03/28/2008
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You're proving you have a neanderthal mentality. This is why no true peace candidate can make it to the presidency at this point in history. Too many cave dwellers insisting on war machinery over pro-active policies that lead away from war. How do you push the evolution fast-forward button?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 03/28/2008

I "heard" that you are too stupid to live.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 03/28/2008
- CommieKazi I'm a Fan of CommieKazi 6 fans permalink

so sez a liberal fascist
still readin hitler eh??
good boy now go run for dem office

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 03/28/2008
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Where did Dean ever state that he preferred Denis Kucinich?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 03/28/2008

What a sham(e). The piece of sh#t Clinton's are banking on working the complicit media, tearing BO down, betting that the electorate will bullsh#ted into believing BO is a black racist, a Muslim, and somehow a risky choice for President.

Already, polls are indicating that 10-25% of Democrats believe BO is of Muslim faith. What a discouraging statistic for those who are informed. The Clinton’s would destroy the opportunity to remove the Repugnants, for their own personal gain. Is this the model for a more perfected union?
The Clinton’s are about what we’re stuck with now. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again, and expecting different results. No change, equals, no change.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the American people. The rest of us are stuck with their dumb choices. The middleclass is doomed because o 30% of this demographic is too dumb to vote their best interests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 03/28/2008
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I just do not understand why it would even matter if he was a Muslim (obviously is not) what the hell is wrong with this country????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 03/28/2008
- apikores I'm a Fan of apikores 6 fans permalink

Pew Research center polling reveals that Democrats who have unfavorable opinions of Obama are...

More likely to say that equal rights for minorities have been "pushed too far" (19% of those with a favorable opinion of him vs 45% of those who have an unfavorable opinion)

More likely to disapprove of "interracial dating" (8% vs 28%)

More likely to say that immigrants "threaten our traditional values" (31% vs 48%)

More likely to say that we should fight for the US "whether it is right or wrong" (48% to 61%)

More likely to say that men make better leaders than women (12% to 24%)

Aaaaaaannn­ddd....

MUCH more likely to believe that Obama is a Muslim (5% to 23%)

Data is all available here. http://pewresearch.org/pubs/779/obama-weathers-the-wright-storm-clinton-faces-credibility-problem

Remind me again why we are taking these people so seriously? A good number of them are DINO and will vote for McCain in the general whether it's Clinton or Obama. The rabid Obama Haters who are flooding many websites have a large amount of conservatives within their ranks, people who hate Obama for reasons totally divorced from the positions on which Democratic voters decide. The Obama hate from which she has benefited is rooted in the far-right of the Democratic party, people like Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller who for some baffling reason refer to themselves as "Democrats" yet espouse none of the beliefs that we stand for as a party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 03/28/2008
- apikores I'm a Fan of apikores 6 fans permalink

Oops--those stats are for white Democrats, not Democrats in general

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 03/28/2008
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Great post. Thanks for the info. I think it is what we always knew about the demographics of the disinformation crowd. And you're right, "why are we taking these people so seriously.­" A friend of mine once said that if you take away the people on either extreme, you are left with the majority of people who are basically reasonable and can be brought together. Obama's strength is that those are the people he's talking to, and he is widening the reach of his message by respecting and listening to the positive intent of those closer to the fringe. He is respecting them and letting them know he knows he doesn't have all the answers, and that he is open to discussing anything with anybody. Everybody has a chance to be heard. That is true leadership. That is a real president. We need a real president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 03/28/2008
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Bosian serb snipers are taking out my posts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 03/28/2008
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duck & cover

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 03/28/2008

Hide behind Chelsea!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 03/28/2008
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Then ask her to lie:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/hillary-embellished-bosnia-sniper-story

Her daughter was asked about Tuzla in Indiana and backed up Clinton's recollection.

"I support what she said," Chelsea Clinton said. "Yes, I was there as
well and so honored I was there and had the opportunity to travel with
her."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 03/28/2008

While, for long term advantages I have come to support the candidacy of Obama, although and on the quality and substance of the campaign, Clinton clearly has an objective edge. Obama's advantage accrues from his identification the wave of idealism and dynamic demographics of the nation. Dem's success is threatened by the venom focused by supporters on the most successful and competent presidential legacy of the last half century. Paradoxically the youthful demographic on which his political strength relies, projects its generic superficiality on the subtle rules of civil society. Gov Dean was judicious in accusing both candidates with offensive personal attacks; however, nearly 80% of the over-the-line personal and irrational rantings have come from Obama supporters, Of course, that does not justify the 22% personal attacks generated by her irrational apologists in this and similar similar blogs. Paradoxically, liberal blogs have become the fodder on which the MSN would source to fan the stupid and ethically destructive civic polity Gov. Dean correctly addresses sans allocation of relative responsibility.

Obama can best stop this civic erosion by condemning attacks of the Party's most prominent heroin, and the Administration she well served. Yet he failed to object to his campaign staff's personal attack on an objective observation by another Party heroin--whose advance of human equality was no less significant than his: former VP candidate Ferraro. In an otherwise memorable speech Obama equated her with Rev. Wright. For that she deserves an apology, and is owed no less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 03/28/2008

What on earth are you talking about. Hillary and rev.mannin­g google it. Read more talk less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 03/28/2008
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"Obama can best stop this civic erosion by condemning attacks of the Party's most prominent heroin"

What a crock! She has done nothing - absolutely nothing - to better the party. She took a golden opportunity we had with healthcare, and blew it, setting it back atleast 15 years because of her paranoid, narcisstic and conspiracy-minded mindset - unwilling to let the people on her side have a say in the process. She even threatened to demonize them - what a nut. She has taken credit for just about anything that was accomplished by Democrats over the last 15 years, even if she had nothing to do with it. From the record that we do see of HIllary's - she has been a monumental disaster.

Nepotism does not constitute experience. Nepotism doesn't make someone a heroine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 03/28/2008
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Where did you get your percentage figures from? From taylormarsh ? The enmity between supporters is not one sided. There are anti Obama rants all over the web from HRC supporters. Obama has not personally attacked Clinton, and has not supported McCain over McClinton. Clinton has had the campaign of kitchen sink attacks and mud slinging. Too bad it all bounced back and clung to her. Obama has not once said anything derogatory about Senator Clinton. The same can't be said for either Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 03/28/2008

Maybe to be fair the media should preface every news report by saying - HRC was caught lying to the American people multiple times in the last 30 days - upon being presented with proof - she launched a series of false claims aimed at her opponent. The following statements are newsworthy - yet this network reminds you that most knowledgable pundits rate this candidates chances of winning the nomination between 5% and 20% (politico - intrade). The primary reason we find this newsworthy is because market research has shown people like a horse race and our ratings improve when we reveal the dirty tactics, bare knuckles, race and gender politics of personal destruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 03/28/2008

So true. Funny how the latest Rev Wright material turned up just when she was trying to change the subject from her Bosnia lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 03/28/2008

Perhaps any vitriol you are hearing from Senator Obama's supporters emanates from Senator Clinton's calling all of us "delusiona­l." If being insulted routinely by Senator Clinton and her campaign surrogates (often while Senator Clinton stands right beside them) is not cause for some incivility I am uncertain what is. Perhaps you should ask yourself why Senator Clinton took such an odd insult the voter approach -- can you recall any other Presidential candidate doing this? I cannot. I believe this was strategic on Senator Clinton's part -- since Senator Obama refused to get in a knife fight with her, she decided to try and get his supporters in that knife fight. She has occasionally succeeded, but don't forget the originiation of this. By the way, Senator Obama's strength resides across demographic groups. I am neither young, nor black. There are millions more like me.

You also need to listen again to Senator Obama's speech. He actually blamed the press for going after Representative Geraldine Ferraro. Are you certain you are a supporter of Senator Obama's? It doesn't sound like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 03/28/2008
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