Hillary And Bill: We Aren't Going Anywhere

**UPDATED 03.29**

In an article on the obstacles Hillary Clinton faces in regards to winning the nomination, The New York Times notes that despite the increasing pressure on her to step aside, Clinton is still refusing to give an inch:

Compounding the challenge, one of Mr. Obama's most prominent supporters, Senator Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, said Mrs. Clinton should quit the race because she hurt Mr. Obama "more than anything John McCain has said."

The Clinton campaign showed resolve in the face of the developments, rallying supporters and donors and enlisting prominent surrogates to fight back. Mrs. Clinton told aides that she would not be "bullied out" of the race.

In a conversation with two Democratic allies, she compared the situation to the "big boys" trying to bully a woman, according to interviews with them.

On the campaign trail, Mrs. Clinton said she was in the contest to stay.

On Friday both Clintons struck defiant notes on the trail in response to recent suggestions from leading Democrats that Hillary should end her campaign.

From MSNBC:

Just in case you were wondering what Hillary Clinton's No. 1 fan thinks of recent calls for her to drop out of the race for the Democratic nomination, Bill Clinton has three words for you: "Bunch of Bull."

"All these people tell you, 'Aw, we oughta shut this thing down now; the Democrats are so divided,'" Clinton said at a campaign event here. "That's a bunch of bull."

From the New York Times Caucus blog:

To answer questions that have been swirling around her candidacy all day, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton arrived here in northwest Indiana - just a few miles from her Democratic rival's home on Chicago's South Side - to unequivocally say she has no intention of leaving the presidential race.

"There are millions of reasons to continue this race: people in Pennsylvania and Indiana and North Carolina and all of the contests yet to come," Mrs. Clinton said. "This is a very close race and clearly I believe strongly that everyone should have their voices heard and their votes counted and that includes Michigan and Florida."

Then, she added: "There is a lot still to be done and I'm looking forward to campaigning hard over the next several months."

Comments

[RichLiberal]

Once the public and the MSM begins to realize that Clinton-Obama is a proxy for the much deeper struggle within the Democratic Party between CLINTONISM and KENNEDYISM and the politicians who reside in each of these camps, this race will take on a new meaning and Obama's 5 percent lead among unrepresentative pledged delegates gamed from non-Democratic electoral states like Idaho, Wyoming, Kansas and Utah will appear to the leaders of the Democratic Party as irrelevant talking points, when it is the very soul of the Party itself that is at stake.

It is the economics of Clintonism vs the emotion of Kennedyism. The pragmatist vs the idealist.

Obama cannot win this fight, which is why Kennedy hides in the background to conceal the association and protect the basic fraud which is the Obama campaign.

Kennedy and Obama know that time is running out for them and they will not win any more elections because the public itself is now tuned in despite the fact that it is still officially hidden by the MSM. This is why Obama doesn't want votes in Florida and Michigan. Obama's played his hand. He has no more cards to throw. All that is happening now is he is trying to steal the pot before the public at large has become aware of what is being stolen from them.

[KimberlyKay]

Now, I see the fight this way--

It is a fight between those who believe that the ends justify the means -- the Clintons
and those who believe that this sort of morality is exactly what got us into this mess -- Senator Obama.

It is a fight between those who believe that triangulation is the way to go -- the Clintons by their own admission (helps you politically)
and those who believe that we must solve the healthcare crisis and fix education -- Senator Obama (pragmatist)

It is a fight between those who believe that lobbyists are "people too" and have every right to control (and even write) much legislation -- the Clintons and
those who believe that the lobbyists should "only get one seat at the table and not all of the seats."-- Senator Obama.

I could go on ad infinitum. It is definitely a fight between the old ways of the 1990's and the new ways of the 21st Century. We will turn the page and we will not turn the page backwards to the 1990's. I always knew this fight would be a bitter one -- I never dreamed that Democrats would fight so hard for the politics of triangulation. I guess the Clinton cult of personality is stronger than I ever realized.

[Mchris1947]

RichLiberal,

I'm sorry that at some point in the past Ted Kennedy pissed in your cereal bowl. But your attempts to raise him to the level of ultimate political Kingmaker is more than laughable. I can see from your profile that you've been spewing this "Obama as Kennedy Stooge" foolishness for a while. Unfortunately voters who are "tired of the politics from the 90s", are hardly ready to be manipulated by "politics of the played-out 60s" either.

Besides, if Ted Kennedy is the "puppet master" behind Obama, whose been backing him from the beginning (meaning back in late 2006), he certainly picked a long-shot to use to "Bring Down The Clintons". You're trying to tell me, Kennedy hatched a plan to foil the Clinton Machine, by picking an African American candidate, with an arabic/muslim sounding name, limited national experience or exposure, no money, and no national infrastructure to speak of to be his "secret weapon"? On that basis Obama is the LEAST electable candidate EVER! That's SOME plan huh?

If Kennedy wanted to play puppet master he could have chosen someone with more "mass appeal" than Obama. Someone young, experienced, and who appealed to the liberal democratic, if only there had been a candidate like that... Oh wait we HAD John Edwards. He would have made more sense in your silly conspiracy narrative.

You're not going to get far with a "Vote for Clinton to STOP Kennedy" approach. It smacks of stupidity.

[dvdpt]

Hillary and Bill Clinton your dynasty is over It is time for the young and educated generation to take this GREAT COUNTRY TO PEACE AND PROSPERITY.
God bless everyone

[josephjsalas]

With a dozen or so States left, some undoubtedly swaying to the favor of Obama, doesn't she
need to win the remaining states by a margin of 75% or more? Of course nobody has the
right to tell her to quit! But doesn't mathematics come into play at some point?

[JohnKemp]

Huh?

PA, NC & IN are "swaying to the favor of Obama?'

Don't think so; this is why the Obama cult is begging Hillary to quit.

My money's on Hillary.

[thatsitfortheotherone]

My money's on Hillary.

Your money is worth 62 Euro cents per dollar.

[BWonka]

as per usual you are wrong. Doesn't that get tiresome for you, like it does for us?

[greejambri]

Last time I checked, Obama was up in IN, and WAY up in NC. I suspect he will do much better in PA than the polls now show.

[ChiGuy]

"PA, NC & IN are "swaying to the favor of Obama?'"
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He wrote that SOME of the remaining states are leaning toward Obama. He didn't specify any.

Btw, NC isn't just "swaying" in his direction. It'll be a rout. And PA is going to be MUCH tighter than anyone was predicting just 2 weeks ago.

[Mchris1947]

You money is on Hillary? Hey JohnKemp, your Vegas is showing.

[Bisharama]

I can see and hear the McCain commercials now ... Setting Washington DC, backdrop the Capitol, Voiceover: the Chief Justice, "Repeat after me, I Barrack Hussein Obama," Cut to patriotic scene of John McCain made to look very presidential, "my friends, our country has been through a lot these past 8 years and we need a change in course. Only you can choose the direction we will take." Cut to photo of Capitol. Voiceover: "Repeat after me, I Barrack Hussein Obama." "I'm John McCain and I approve this message"

[LaFeminazi]

If Obama is not strong enough to resist the puffball attacks of the Clintons, he is not strong enough to resist the smear campaigns of the right.

It's a good vetting process.

Or is it just that some people are regretting not voting for better qualified candidates before we were left with the media's favorite two candidates?

[stateMachine]

Nothing puffball about your fellow party members endorsing the opposition.
Obama's weathered it just fine, by the by. Survey says, Hillary's ad hominem b.s. is hurting her own chances. Nothing wrong with a spirited discussion of policy differences in a primary. That's a positive sum game, bringing both candidates into focus through clarifying distinctions. Lies and rhetorical fallacies, however, turn off voters and hurt the party. Endorsing the opposition party hurts the party. Calling a crucial security council member's government a puppet government in the course of a debate is amateurish.

[nomobull]

you're right about the vetting process .the problem some seem to be having with it is now it's working both ways.

[ChiGuy]

In what way is Obama demonstrating weakness when attacked by Hillary and her camp?

He always responds quickly and bluntly, and his rebounding numbers after each supposed scandal bear that out.

[LaFeminazi]

If Bush Sr had been any good, Perot would never have run.

If Gore had been any good Nader would never have run.

Stop blaming the third parties for the inadequacies of the major two parties.

[TiffShelton]

If it were not for Perot, you wouldn't know who Hillary Clinton is.

[flyguy14222]

Now this is too good that I know it won't get posted here. The Messiah Obama spoke today, in of all places Johnstown (Hey Kool-Aid), PA. He says that Hillary can run as long as she wants. So you have your marching orders!

[flyguy14222]

BTW, I know it was Jonestown...but the similarity in names was too much, considering the context!

[WLA]

It actually wasn't very clever at all. And you are just a troll here to stir up trouble. Go away.

[MPeter]

Breaking News. CNN's Wooolfie has found evidence of Hillary's courage under fire. Evidently, it is a better feed than all the garbage the embecile has been running. Take a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc

[kitebro]

Too good? Um...sure.

[riverhouse]

Obama has reason for that confidence. She can't win. She's just making enemies and ruining her so called career in politics. If that's what she wants to do, it's okay with Obama and it's okay with me. Hillary is a woman who has a deep need for public humiliation as evidenced by her decades of standing by a philandering husband. Whatever turns you on, Hillary.

[SZM]

Are you equating Obama to a guy that killed people with kool-aid? And are you equating the people of Johnstown, PA as the people that drank the kool-aid? I'm sure they appreciate it, and I'm sure they have similar sentiments toward you. Hate and ridiculous stories, I guess that's all the strategy you have left. I wonder, now that you've made your hatred towards Obama known, are you going to vote for McCain?, the guy that's going to "bomb,bomb,bomb,...bomb, bomb Iran"? That makes a lot of sense, good work. When your argument is completely devoid all reason and logic it makes you look silly and confused, just in case you were wondering.

[stateMachine]

Of course she can run as long as she wants- all these childish outburts by Bill hurt Hillary more than anybody else. They really are running yesterday's campaign. Their combativeness, their speculations about the media, their operational paranoia.... they're developmentally frozen in the trauma of Lewinsky-gate

[flyguy14222]

Oh my....slow "news" day here?

[Ulysses9]

One of the great things about our ruthless American presidential campaign process is that it reveals – like keelhauling – the inner muscle, tissue and soul of the person within. But after a point, the truth is so grotesque, that one can only turn away in disgust.

And I have worked for the campaigns of both Clintons.

How can two people believe they are that important to the destiny of 300 million people? The bonfire of vanity is so large, that if it burns the Democratic Party, the chance of a Democratic victory in 2008, and everything between and beyond... they don't care one whit. Preeminent for both is the apotheosis of themselves, and nothing else.

EGOTISM is the act of having an inflated sense of one's own importance.
EGOISM is the ethical doctrine that morality has its foundations in self-interest, and that the apotheosis of the self is the just and proper motive for all human conduct.

With Hillary Clinton and her loyal Abdominal Showman, we are witnessing a Grand Tour of Egoism unparalleled in American politics since dear old Richard Nixon. Is there any possibility that there is a senior advisor in the Clinton camp that has the sanity to tell the Emperor and Empress that they have no clothes... or worse, no skin left? The Democratic Party – and this large and critical country – has to be allowed to move beyond these two individuals.

We have outgrown them. Unfortunately, they have not outgrown themselves.

[LaFeminazi]

Iraq's new army is "developing steadily," with "strong Iraqi leaders out front," the chief U.S. trainer assured the American people. That was three-plus years ago, the U.S. Army general was David H. Petraeus, and some of those Iraqi officials at the time were busy embezzling more than $1 billion allotted for the new army's weapons, according to investigators.

http://news.yahoo.com/i/721;_ylt=AmxjyEwuv2bbT7KDjaL.vDRvzwcF

The US has lost sight of what matters.

The worlds longest most expensive and just plain stupid political campaign season is merely a smoke screen.

[philipwitak]

re: "Hill and Bill: we aren't going anywhere"

Ya know, I gotta agree - the Clinton campaign is going nowhere!

[dr4Will]

Good for them---it is not over folks--obama is being found out that words mean little compared to action!!! enjoy the battle--naysayers get back in your caves--this is a good battle--the democratic way!!!

[Ken Volok]

Fine. The clintons can stay right where they are, because we've already left them behind in the dustbin of history.

[wyorange]

Maybe you have left them behind in the dustbin of history, but I do believe that you will find that history will be fairly kind to Pres. Clinton's presidency; i.e., a very good economic period for the country and relatively peaceful world (especially if you look at the past seven years). Only hope you Obamamites and history will be able to say the same about Sen. Obama if he should become president. Sorry I cannot say that I voted for him. As I have often stated, I am a life-long registered republican so I guess I am biased. IMHO Pres. Clinton is the second or third best president in my lifetime (guess I should say since Eisenhower as that is when I started following politics). Frankly guess that might be why I am supporting Sen. Clinton as I think she could be even better.

Clinton '08, but if not, then McCain '08

[Yasmine]

PLEASE.........STOP ASKING THE CLINTONS TO QUIT.........they want to have a THIRD CLINTON TERM.
The only thing I want from them is to continue campaigning by attaking McCain's 3rd Bush term.
There is NO NEED to attack a DEMOCRAT.

[Aleka]

Psst...tell that to the Clintons.

[LaFeminazi]

Waste my vote by voting Dem or Repug?

You must be joking voting for either would be a waste, remember 00, 02, 04 and 06? Now there was a waste, I voted straight Dem each time, nothing changed.

Obama / Bloomberg? Give me a break.

If I am going to have to waste a vote, I a going to vote for what I believe is right.

Go Greens.

[ThinMan]

What will be wasted is Planet Earth, as in "laid waste to" by Global Warming which McCain will be ineffective dealing with due to his commitment to not regulate those doing the "laying waste to."
Now that's Green!

On the other hand, even though I love Earth, voting for Clinton over the Destruction of Planet Earth By McCain would still be a tough choice for me. That's what Clinton has done to Democrats--good work, Clinton.

[YankeeCanuck]

You might have voted straight Dem, but where was everyone else who now claims to have done so?
A 35% total voter turnout tells me that you (and I) were members of a very select group. It's going to take a little more involvement this time.
Vote Green? Vote Rhino? Vote write-in? Off the map?

That'll show them!

Not much.

[wyorange]

"Vote write-in?"

I suggested on another blog that since Sen. Clinton came out saying it would be silly (not sure of her exact wording) if democrats supporting her voted for Sen. McCain in the general election that those democrats supporting her who want to follow her suggestion simply write her in as their choice. (That way they are following her request of not voting for McCainin the general election and still are voting democratic. Think if I lived in Florida or Michigan I would do that just to let the DNC know that yes indeed I do have a voice.)

[ultrabop]

Right on, sister!

[WLA]

Go Gravel! Go Cynthia!

[SZM]

The issue is not that a third party in some way interferes with the race, it's that when you vote for someone like Nader, that has no prayer of winning, it runs the risk of getting a "Repug" elected, and ultimately results in people dying, none of the "Green" initiatives getting attention, and the general "dumbing down" of the electorate. The Green party's best bet is to press Obama, and to make Obama's campaign acknowledge the issues. Peeling votes off the Democratic ticket neither forwards the agenda of the Green Party, or improves our environment. Ask Nader how much work he got done during the latest Bush administration. Wait, I know the answer, almost none!!!! Endangered species, the environment, water quality, clean energy, and consumer rights all suffered greatly the last 8 years. Don't be silly, and don't let pride get in the way, get Nader and Obama together on these issues.

[perfectlycromulent]

Barack is the future.
Bill and Hillary are the past.

[RichLiberal]

Until the truth is revealed that Obama is a Ted Kennedy stooge, which places Obama about twenty years further back than the Clintons, and in fact, precisely to the moment when Ted Kennedy once before screwed the Democratic Party by undermining Jimmy Carter.

This story tells much except it does not recognize the obvious that the only diff between 1980 and 2008 is that Kennedy right now appears to be more effectively screwing Hillary Clinton than he did Jimmy Carter, but the game's not over yet. The public is slowly awakening.


http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/03/27/weve_seen_how_this_drama_plays_out/

[greejambri]

EXACTLY!!!