Parents Indicted In Faith-Healing Death

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March 31, 2008 12:09 PM EST | AP


OREGON CITY, Ore. — A couple whose church preaches against medical care are facing criminal charges after their young daughter died of an infection that authorities said went untreated.

Carl and Raylene Worthington were indicted Friday on charges of manslaughter and criminal mistreatment in the death of their 15-month-old daughter Ava. They belong to the Followers of Christ Church, whose members have a history of treating gravely ill children only with prayer.

Ava died March 2 of bronchial pneumonia and a blood infection. The state medical examiner's office has said she could have been treated with antibiotics.

Dr. Christopher Young, a deputy state medical examiner, said the child's breathing was further hampered by a benign cyst on her neck that had never been medically addressed, The Oregonian reported.

Laws passed in the 1990s struck down legal shields for faith-healing parents after the deaths of several children whose parents were members of the fundamentalist church.

Since those laws took effect in 1999, "We haven't seen any cases of significant medical neglect ... until now," said child abuse Detective Jeff Green of the Clackamas County Sheriff's Office.

The Worthingtons could face more than six years if convicted on the manslaughter charges and up to a year on the mistreatment charges, said Greg Horner, chief deputy district attorney. They were released on $250,000 bail, he said.

Horner said he didn't know whether the couple had lawyers to speak for them. A number listed for the couple was disconnected. A man who answered the phone at the church Monday would not identify himself and said: "We've been told 'No comment.'"

The Worthingtons also lost a baby boy in 2001, but an investigation was closed after family members told police the child was stillborn. Several other Followers of Christ children have also been stillborn or died during home births in recent years, and none of the deaths resulted in criminal charges, authorities have said.


 
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Obviously, these parents "faith" exceeds their knowledge of reality. "God" is imaginary, and not actually capable of curing disease. "Manslaughter" or some form of "negligence resulting in death" sounds like the appropriate crime. Merely "being stupid" or "willfully ignorant" isn't a crime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 04/01/2008

it seems ignorant to imply that these parents didn't care for their child. highly unlikely. what this appears to be is a case of stupidity and fundie-ism, not child abuse. These parents needed a brain, not a bible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 04/01/2008

Stupidity and Fundie-ism lead to the willful neglect of their child's health in the name of Jesus. That's abuse, just as much as beating a child 'to get the Devil' out is.

They caused their child's death just the same as that crazy mother who drowned her children because 'Satan was in them!' did. They were just more passive about it. They LET her die because they were deluded into thinking that chanting would heal their sick child. Their other children are thus now at risk and need to be removed from their care, lest they too be subjected to prayer as a cure-all over proven science.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 04/01/2008

Religion is no excuse for murder negligible or otherwise. I submit that if people feel that these parents were in their rights to let their child die in pain, that muslim extremist who die as a suicide bomber in accordance with their belief in martyrdom are also within their legal rights here in the U.S. and the 9/11 attack must be legally declared within the rights of the hijackers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 04/01/2008

I just hope the parents get a jury of actual peers, people who understand their faith.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 03/31/2008

I hope they get a jury of fellow parents of a broad variety of faiths. That's the most fair way to deal with it. Not by stocking the jury with fellow sycophants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 03/31/2008

Well, whatever. They belong to some sort of Christian sect, whereas I worship God by chanting Hare Krishna, but I'm sure I would find them not guilty. Anyone who understands the absolute reality of the Personality of Godhead and the evil of material existence would sympathize with these people.

A similar mob crucified Jesus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 04/01/2008

The comments here reveal such a depth of ignorance of spiritual knowledge that it's pointless to attempt a discussion.

It's basically a mob scene.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 03/31/2008

Spirituality should not preclude the needs of the body which HOUSES said spirit. One has to balance body and soul to be happy in this world, and these people aren't either. Their spirits clearly cry out for something and they neglect their body in pursuit of God. This causes their children to suffer, and for that, they deserve the same punishment as someone who, through inaction, causes their child to starve to death. When a child dies, because the parents didn't do everything to save them, they MUST be held responsible for the death. It may not be murder, but it certainly is death by neglect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 03/31/2008

Willful neglect is more like it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 04/01/2008

It is the body that needs the soul, not the other way around. People often say of the deceased that they have "gone to a better place." That depends on how the person lived, but it's a valid sentiment. If the soul needs the body, then how can the separation of body and soul allow the soul to go to a better place, unless one gets a new, better body? Your theory makes no sense and also contradicts scriptural authority.

"Their spirits clearly cry out for something and they neglect their body in pursuit of God. This causes their children to suffer, and for that, they deserve the same punishment as someone who, through inaction, causes their child to starve to death."

HOW DARE YOU pose as someone who knows something about religion and yet say a person should be punished for neglecting other duties in favor of serving God?!!!

"Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he is engaged in devotional service, he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated." - God. Http://vedabase.net/bg/9/30

It looks like the state is going to make martyrs of these people.





"It may not be murder, but it certainly is death by neglect."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 04/01/2008

If one thinks that it is spiritual to let your children die, or to die the death of a martyr, then yes, maybe there is a depth of ignorance of that kind of spiritual knowledge here. However, one should realise that not all forms of spiritual knowledge require the premature death of innocents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 04/01/2008

Separating the body from the mind leads to death - regardless of beliefs. Duh!

Did Peter pray over whether to flee when he was released from prison? Did God have to tell him "Run for your life!" ? It was pretty clear what had to be done. It always is and has been.

Just believing it doesn't make it true. Praying deeply doesn't change physical conditions, nor the future. If her parents really walked the talk, they would have walked her to a doctor to make her well. Granted, there are many other factors involved in any infection, but if her parents didn't seek medical advice, then why didn't they just have her eat nothing but garlic? That would have stopped her infection cold.

Oh wait. Nutrition is science so it must be evil, never mind that God made all the animals and plants for us humans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 04/01/2008

if you're actions result in the death of your child, because you chose your religion over that child's life, you deserve to die. If you're religion is more important to you than the life of your child then you deserve to lose that child. it's just a shame that poor innocent kid had to be born to such inhuman, amoral, religite monsters.

In the innitial article about this horrid story, the family members said they will take their strength from God to get through this ordeal...

are they seriouis???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 03/31/2008
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This almost seems like the Islamic faith. Their religious faith seems to be more important than their children or their wives, both of whom are expendible to further male dominance and secure the male's 72 or 73 virgins. I'm waiting for the church to say it was God's will. Of course, Islamic religion says it's Mohammad's will. Wher's the difference?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 03/31/2008

Not an accurate reflection of Islam. Islam's record is no cleaner or dirtier than Christianity on this sort of point. Both Islam and Christianity can be argued to preach respect for the body and physical well-being, as well as to make use of whatever medical support or guidance is available. However, both Islam and Christianity can be argued to preach that life is God's and that we should have total faith in him. On reflection, I would have to say that except in matters of abortion (and with only really strict adherents at that) I cannot think of an example of Muslims refusing treatment for their child on a matter of faith. I could be wrong, but I cannot think of one. It is also worth mentioning that, until the end of the Middle Ages, Islam did far more than Christianity to further the advancement of medicine and science.

Also, a theological point. Mohammed is only a prophet. The only will to be followed in Islam is that of Allah. The prophet is claimed as a great example, but no more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 04/01/2008
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The Ministry of any such Church should also be indited as accessories or anyone else that took part. they're all criminals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 03/31/2008

"The Blessed Lord said: While speaking learned words, you are mourning for what is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead." http://vedabase.net/bg/2/en (Bg. 2.11)

We are born into a body to experience a certain balance of enjoyment and distress, and for a certain amount of time. Then another body.

"All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when they are annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?" (Bg. 2.28)

The body is doomed. All that matters is to develop love of God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 03/31/2008

None of which means a damn thing to this poor little girl who's parents didn't love her enough to get real help for her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 03/31/2008

Well I suppose it doesn't matter when a person gets an abortion to you does it? Religion is the nothing more than cultural ideals wrapped around the belief in god, people like you who try and justify easily avoidable deaths are less than human and are unworthy of divine forgiveness, and according to your own beliefs you will suffer everlasting punishment. I know what I'm talking about, I was raised as a christian scientist and have learned the evil of your kinds cult like practices from their examples.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 04/01/2008

I'm tempted to explain, but I doubt you'll ever understand.

Let's just say there is a huge difference between slaughtering a fetus for convenience sake to materially counter the result of illicit sex, compared to praying to God for one's child.

...regardless of what they teach little Christian Scientists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 04/01/2008

Jail them for life. They had to DECIDE to ignore those biology classes they had in high school. They had options, they picked death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 03/31/2008

The plot of this horrible story sickens:

A press release from the "Unleavened Bread Ministries," which had been contacted by Madeline Neumann's parents, asking them for prayer. Prepare for your jaw to fall to the floor:
http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=pressrelease

I hate to report that the parents unlikely to be charged:
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/17080221.html
As another KristenfromMA noted correctly, the parents would likely be facing very serious charges in Massachusetts. She correctly mentioned the Twitchells case - there are others...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 03/30/2008

Nothing shocking there Pacific231. It's just more small-minded zealots who have been conditioned to use the Bible to rationalize their way to heaven.

It was fun to see some of the old words taken out of context. "The righteous shall live by faith" for example, because if these nutjobs - and I used to be one - read their bible they would know that faith and hope will pass away, but love is all that remains.

Let love be your aim has become direct your prayer against those who don't think, believe nor dress like you. It's the Pharisees and Sadduccees all over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 04/01/2008

Madeline Neumann, 11-Year-Old With Treatable Diabetes, Dies After Parents Pick Prayer Over Docs

The rethugs, the supposed party of life would prevent abortions, but allow this lunacy to go on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 03/30/2008

Agreed. If the rethugs had stumbled across the Virgin Mary at term, they would have aborted Christ, called it divine and worshipped the stillborn to create a new religion in order to make money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 04/01/2008
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If you heard the 911 call on Nancy Grace it was one of the worst things to hear.

If you believe that god can cure common diseases, and don't want to go to the doctor, that's fine, if your 18 and an adult. You can make that choice for yourself. But the parents have no right to make that choice for a child, that has no choice. She couldn't get in her car and go to the doctor. She suffered a horrible, painful death, that apparently they did not or could not feel. The parents need to go to jail, and there needs to be a law on the books, that parents who knowingly withhold treatment to a child with a curable disease, will go to jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 03/30/2008

"But the parents have no right to make that choice for a child, that has no choice. "

If not the parents, then who do you think should decide when the millions of American children see a doctor and what treatments are given?

The government?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 03/31/2008

I'm sure the government would have preferred the child made a 2 hr. trip to the hospital and lived for years to come, but clearly a demon like you feels the rights of the parent are more important then the well being of the child. I'd hate to be your child.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 04/01/2008

She forgot the other half of the sentence '............but He will only help those who help themselves.' In other words seek professional help before calling Him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 03/30/2008

With complete sympathy for the little girl who died because of lack of medical attention, I can't help but think that Darwinian logic will apply, even in this case; the genes of the parents will not get passed on through their daughter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 AM on 03/30/2008

unfortunately your wrong, they still got three left

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 04/01/2008

This is a metaphor for what is happening to the US. America is slowly becoming that 11 year old girl. People are praying for it daily while what it really needs are insulin shots.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 03/29/2008
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