Peggy Noonan: At This Point You Either Understand The Problem With Hillary Or You Don't


First Posted: 03-28-08 04:12 PM   |   Updated: 04- 5-08 05:12 AM

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Wall Street Journal :

I think we've reached a signal point in the campaign. This is the point where, with Hillary Clinton, either you get it or you don't. There's no dodging now. You either understand the problem with her candidacy, or you don't. You either understand who she is, or not. And if you don't, after 16 years of watching Clintonian dramas, you probably never will.

That's what the Bosnia story was about. Her fictions about dodging bullets on the tarmac -- and we have to hope they were lies, because if they weren't, if she thought what she was saying was true, we are in worse trouble than we thought -- either confirmed what you already knew (she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature) or revealed in an unforgettable way (videotape! Smiling girl in pigtails offering flowers!) what you feared (that she lies more than is humanly usual, even politically usual).

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I think we've reached a signal point in the campaign. This is the point where, with Hillary Clinton, either you get it or you don't. There's no dodging now. You either understand the problem with her ...
I think we've reached a signal point in the campaign. This is the point where, with Hillary Clinton, either you get it or you don't. There's no dodging now. You either understand the problem with her ...
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- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 352 fans permalink
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What a well crafted piece.

I think it's crystal clear that Ms. Noonan gets it.

Now, if only Hillary's backers would, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 03/28/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 95 fans permalink

Peggy Noonan is a speech writer. She doesn't know anything.

A speech writer who started this whole destruction of a great nation. It all started with Ronald Reagan, and her speeches, because he could read them so well.

Noonan is another one I hope never to hear from again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 03/28/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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why don't you just change your name to bitterliberal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 03/28/2008
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If you change your name to "fellater of Reagan's corpse."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 03/29/2008
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Interesting, while you may not like Noonan....you did not dispute her article about how Hillary has been caught in so many lies.

So, okay, kill the messenger......but the message is still true......Hillary is a liar. It seems to run in the family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 PM on 03/28/2008
- Memorye I'm a Fan of Memorye 3 fans permalink

You are sooo right

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 03/29/2008
- JakeEasy I'm a Fan of JakeEasy 13 fans permalink

Okay. Those of you who are now going into the Peggy Noonan camp and talking about how great she is because she is snarking on Hillary - you've officially joined the other side. You are going to applaud one of the great prevaricators of our time and the Wall Street fricking Journal for the sake of bashing Hillary.

If this doesn't make you question yourself and your motives, you are really avoiding the fact that you are a hypocrite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 PM on 03/28/2008
- dezzertguy I'm a Fan of dezzertguy 13 fans permalink
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I seldom agree with Ms Noonan's moralizing, but in this regard she is absolutely correct. Hillary has always played loose with the true, whether it is because of her legal training, her own character or whatever. Now, she is in the final quarter of the game and she is losing big time. She has given so many years to reach this point. She allowed herself to be embarassed by Bill, she used the system herself and has been totally without regard for others (Travelgate, Bill's ladies, etc.) Now, she is at the last and if you saw the clip of her lie, she looked so sincere like she was reliving the moment of the sniper fire. If nothing else, she is a great liar. Only time will tell what ammo she still has to use on Obama. It should be interesting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 03/28/2008
- Opus007 I'm a Fan of Opus007 17 fans permalink

I thought this was a very well written article although I RARELY agree with Peggy Noonan. The Clintons are veteran politicans- they know their odds are grim but they keep on going even if they tank the Democratic Party in the process. But what about their supporters, their volunteers and their staff. How long are you going to string them along? It's depressing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 03/28/2008
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Peggy Noonan is completely on point. Clinton is done and has simply not accepted that as fact.
History will attribute her now inevitable loss to her husband, Bill Clinton and mismanagement of her presidential campaign. They have soured the stomachs of the democratic establishment and brought back to memory the dark days of the Clinton presidency with their exaggerate truths. Signs some say are prophetical. People are aware of the fact that the Clintons actually lie. A lot of people easily knew this from the beginning, yet some are still yet to awaken to the facts because they believe the lies themselves.

You guys, we’re talking sniper fire and running for cover. She told the story so well saying how vivid her memories we’re, then, never apologizing, she said she simply misspoke.

To her supporters, tell me again why you support her. I do not recall ever hearing a reason from anyone except that she has experience. Now that you know that’s a lie, give me the real reason you support her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 03/28/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Hillary is bringing together Democrats with the WSJ and Peggy Noonan? She is a uniter!

Like the U.S. and Russia being allies in WWII against a common enemy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 03/28/2008

Excellent article, Peggy ! This has been obvious for me since her claim of" 35 years of experience" and "ready on day one", total lies!
The Bosnia episode was serendipitous to show the world how many times she lied and wouldn't admit it until the tapes were payed all over the news media. It was awful how she mishandled her mistake saying she "misspoke" or she was sleep deprived, when it didn't happen just once but 3 times and she was reading from notes. So she lied again to hide the previous lies.
Clinton supporters, have some decency. She is not worth your vote and support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 03/28/2008

For those who didn't actually read all or any of Noonan's column, here's the ending. Not a very flattering image of she would be queen:


What struck me as the best commentary on the Bosnia story came from a poster called GI Joe who wrote in to a news blog: "Actually Mrs. Clinton was too modest. I was there and saw it all. When Mrs. Clinton got off the plane the tarmac came under mortar and machine gun fire. I was blown off my tank and exposed to enemy fire. Mrs. Clinton without regard to her own safety dragged me to safety, jumped on the tank and opened fire, killing 50 of the enemy." Soon a suicide bomber appeared, but Mrs. Clinton stopped the guards from opening fire. "She talked to the man in his own language and got him [to] surrender. She found that he had suffered terribly as a result of policies of George Bush. She defused the bomb vest herself." Then she turned to his wounds. "She stopped my bleeding and saved my life. Chelsea donated the blood."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 03/28/2008

Not only is Peggy Noonan brilliant, she's beautiful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 03/28/2008
- pithymaxim I'm a Fan of pithymaxim 9 fans permalink

HRC is brilliant and beautiful, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 03/28/2008
- candlewax I'm a Fan of candlewax 5 fans permalink

Yeah but not too trustworthy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 03/28/2008
- suntzu I'm a Fan of suntzu 16 fans permalink
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Perhaps, but not as brilliant or beautiful as Kathleen Sebelius, our next Vice President.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Sebelius

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 03/28/2008
- Memorye I'm a Fan of Memorye 3 fans permalink

I agree

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 03/29/2008

Beauty is only skin deep. The real beauty glows from the inside - lying and manipulations are not good for the soul - and it shows on HIllary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 03/29/2008
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Ewe!!!! That's gross!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 03/29/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 267 fans permalink
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If you have not read the original article it is a must, especially GI Joe's blog "recollection" of the Bosnia incident. It was the funniest thing I have read in the campaign so far.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 03/28/2008
- PJay I'm a Fan of PJay 6 fans permalink

I have to agree with Peggy Noonan on this one. It really is clear - Either she's a pathological liar, or she's hallucinatory. Neither is good. We've had a president who is both pathological and detached from reality and just look at the damage. Not pretty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 03/28/2008

I thougt to myself how can Arianna Huffington(who I inexplicably love) be part of both the right-wing conspiracy and the left-wing conspiracy. Then I realized the main target of both is the Clintons and I realized that she just changed to the other side of the Clinton-hating cottage industry.

P.S. I will be flabergasted if this comment makes it through.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 03/28/2008

It will be a cold day in hell before I take my political cue from the affected Peggy Noonan, who gave us such gems as "kinder, gentler nation" and 1000 points of light." The only person's career that she ever helped positively was Dana Carvey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 03/28/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 352 fans permalink
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Perhaps you might track down the other pundits that are saying essentially the same things about Hillary.

Their ham-fisted attempts at bullying and intimidation of the media and other Democrats like Pelosi and Dean, is legendary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 03/28/2008

I'm not sure if you noticed but it was an article written by Peggy Noonan. Hence, I spoke about Peggy Noonan. However, if you want to talk about the whining coming from the Obama campaign exposing his "glass jaw" for the general election , I'd be happy to oblige.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 PM on 03/28/2008

Not sure if you caught it, but this article was written by Peggy Noonan. Hence, the Peggy Noonan comments. I guess you got so caught up in your Clinton hate or Obama love that you forgot to tell us who their represents in your comment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/28/2008

HP citing with Peggy Noonan as their expert on Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton... ..
What a joke...

Peggy Noonan... think about who this is and what she has done that is totally destructive to the democratic process in this country.. and you are citing her as your Hillary and Bill expert....

In some ways, I am glad this is all happening... It shows the new blog progressives for what they really are .... neither new nor progressive....

I have removed myself from the Move On list..
and I know many who are doing the same...
.. and I am posting here for one last time...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 03/28/2008
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