Democrats Fear Tight Obama-Clinton Finish Could Damage Party's Chances

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CHARLES BABINGTON | March 29, 2008 03:20 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks during a town hall meeting at Hempfield Area High School in Greensburg, Pa., Friday, March 28, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a nightmarish end, which could wreck a promising election year.

The chief worry is that Clinton may carry her recent winning streak into Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina and other states, leaving her with unquestioned momentum but fewer pledged delegates than Obama. Party leaders then would face a wrenching choice: Steer the nomination to a fading Obama, even as signs suggested Clinton could be the stronger candidate in November; or go with the surging Clinton and risk infuriating Obama's supporters, especially blacks, the Democratic Party's most loyal base.

Some anxious Democrats want party elders to step in now to generate more "superdelegate" support for Obama, effectively choking off Clinton's hopes before she can bolster them further. But many say that is unlikely, and they pray the final 10 contests will make the ultimate choice fairly obvious, not excruciating.

Barring a complete meltdown by Obama, Clinton has almost no chance of surpassing his number of pledged delegates, even if she scores upset wins in states such as Oregon, which votes May 20. But such victories would encourage her to keep criticizing Obama _ her only hope for the nomination _ and thus heighten doubts about Obama's ability to defeat Republican Sen. John McCain in the fall.

That scenario troubles many Democrats, especially those who feel Obama's nomination is all but inevitable.

"This is going to give Republicans a chance to try to destroy everything we've been trying to work for for eight years," said Ken Foxworth, a Democratic National Committee member from Minnesota and superdelegate who backs Obama.

Superdelegates are party officials, including members of Congress, who can back any candidate they wish. With neither Obama nor Clinton able to secure the nomination with the pledged delegates they win in primaries and caucuses, the superdelegates ultimately will decide the outcome.

Many undeclared superdelegates express confidence that all will be well. Democratic voters will unite in the fall, they say, and the injuries that Obama and Clinton inflict on each other this spring will heal.

Privately, however, some party insiders worry that these superdelegates may be blithely marching toward a treacherous crossroad, where they will have to choose between a deeply wounded Obama and a soaring Clinton whose success was built on tearing down the party's front-runner in terms of delegates.

A senior Democratic Senate aide, who would speak only on background because most members of Congress bar their staff members from being quoted by name, called it a nightmare that's getting worse.

The Democrats' optimism of February has been replaced by fear, this aide said, referring to the widely held view last month that Obama was coasting to the nomination after winning 11 straight contests. Clinton halted the skid in Texas and Ohio on March 4 and is favored to win the Pennsylvania primary on April 22.

If the New York senator also tops Obama in Indiana and North Carolina on May 6, West Virginia a week later, and Kentucky and/or Oregon on May 20, her supporters will argue that the dynamic has sharply changed in ways party leaders cannot ignore. Obama is no longer the sure-footed campaigner who piled up wins and delegates in February, they will say, and the superdelegates' obligation to the party is to nominate the sprinting Clinton, even if it angers Obama backers.

Of course, Obama could practically extinguish Clinton's final hopes by winning one or more of those states. Many Democrats believe he will, suggesting Clinton's continued campaign is a hopeless, albeit potentially harmful, endeavor.

Obama's nomination is "a foregone conclusion," Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., told National Journal. Dodd endorsed Obama after trying for the nomination himself.

He's ahead of Clinton in delegates, popular votes, states won and fundraising. Obama seems nearly certain to finish the primary season far ahead of Clinton financially. At the end of February his campaign had $30 million on hand, while Clinton's had only $3 million more in cash than in debts.

Some Obama supporters question Clinton's motives: They suggest she is counting on a stunning gaffe or shocking revelation to cripple Obama and hand her the nomination. Others float a more sinister possibility, which has found its way into mainstream news accounts: Clinton hopes to damage Obama so severely that he loses to McCain this fall, clearing her path to challenge McCain in 2012, when he will be 75.

Clinton scoffs at such suggestions, and calls on voters to support whomever is the Democratic nominee in November.

Whatever her motives, many Democrats fear that Clinton's continued criticisms can only hurt the man they see as their all-but-certain nominee. They point to a recent Gallup poll, in which 28 percent of Clinton's Democratic supporters said they would vote for McCain if Obama is the party's nominee. Nineteen percent of Obama's supporters said they would vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nod.

Faced with such disturbing trends, some Democrats want party elders either to persuade Clinton to drop out, or to orchestrate enough superdelegate endorsements of Obama to make her defeat inevitable. But high-profile Democrats, including former president Jimmy Carter, former vice president Al Gore, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, have refrained from such moves so far.

"My job is to make sure the person who loses feels like they have been treated fairly so that their supporters will support the winner," Dean told The Associated Press.

Indeed, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi drew objections from Clinton backers when she approached the issue by saying she shared Obama's view that superdelegates should be guided by the vote for pledged delegates.

This week, one of Obama's prominent supporters, Sen. Patrick Leahy took the next step. The Vermont Democrat who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee said Clinton can't win enough delegates and should drop out and support Obama.

Ferrel Guillory, director of the Program on Southern Politics, Media, and Public Life at the University of North Carolina, said it's probably asking too much of Dean and others to step in. In an era of sharply contested primaries and largely meaningless nominating conventions, he said "we don't have any power brokers any more" who could somehow negotiate a resolution.

Pat Waak, chairwoman of the Colorado Democratic Party, said the worriers should relax.

"I actually think it's good for the party to get through this process," she said. "It gives everybody a chance to be part of it," she said, noting that Democratic voter registration is soaring in many states.

In Pennsylvania, Democrats have registered a staggering 161,000 new voters since last fall, pushing their numbers over 4 million for the first time. In Oregon, nearly 10,000 voters have refiled as Democrats in the last seven weeks.

Waak added, however: "The concern I have is the kind of level of attack that has come up" between Obama and Clinton. "I don't think that is good for the party."

Superdelegates will have to choose this summer, Waak said, and it will be easy if Obama can significantly increase his lead in delegates, popular votes and states won. On the other hand, she said, "the narrower the margin and the less conclusive it is, the harder it becomes."

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Associated Press Writer Nedra Pickler contributed to this report.


 
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The harm being done by prolonging the inevitable is much more than just jeopardizing the Democratic Party"s chances of taking the Whitehouse. This daily catfight is also damaging our chances of strengthening our positions in the House and Senate. Think, Row v Wade, Social Security, Housing, etc. The sooner Obama can get out of Pennsylvania and campaign in the other states and congressional districts where we stand a chance of taking a seat away from an republican, the better. That gives us an opportunity to build a party campaign. With the daily focus on "he said" "she said" we loose momentum for the party. Republicans like Rush know this full well and hence his meddling. The only thing that is keeping Hillary and Bill running at this moment, given the infinitesimal chance they have of pulling this thing off, is their combined egos. The Super Delegates have got to take the scathing dress down from the Clintons like Richardson did, and stop this madness now. As for Ralph Nader, he is certifiably delusional. Put him in a managed care facility in the Alzheimer"s wing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 03/30/2008
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"Of course, Obama could practically extinguish Clinton's final hopes by winning one or more of those states. Many Democrats believe he will, suggesting Clinton's continued campaign is a hopeless, albeit potentially harmful, endeavor."
The harm being done by prolonging the inevitable is much more than just jeopardizing the Democratic Party"s chances of taking the Whitehouse. This daily catfight is also damaging our chances of strengthening our positions in the House and Senate. Think, Row v Wade, Social Security, Housing, etc. The sooner Obama can get out of Pennsylvania and campaign in the other states and congressional districts where we stand a chance of taking a seat away from the Republicans, the better. That gives us an opportunity to build a party campaign. With the daily focus on "he said" "she said" we loose momentum for the party. Republicans like Rush know this full well and hence his meddling. The only thing that is keeping Hillary and Bill running at this moment, given the infinitesimal chance they have of pulling this thing off, is their combined egos. The Super Delegates have got to take the scathing dress down from the Clintons like Richardson did, and stop this madness now. As for Ralph Nader, he is certifiably delusional. Put him in a managed care facility in the Alzheimer"s wing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 03/30/2008
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"Winning streak"? What winning streak? She lost the last two contests. In fact:

January - Obama 2, Clinton 2.
February - Obama 22, Clinton 9.
March - Obama 4, Clinton 3.

Seven contests in March, and Obama won more than Clinton. Period. Clinton's HUGE COMEBACK in March essentially amounted to her not losing by as much as she lost in February. January was still her best month, in which she tied Obama. Pennsylvania gets the entire month of April to themselves, so Clinton might actually have a month where she does better than Obama by virtue of having actually won the only contest.

Then there's May....

Well, she might win Kentucky, but Obama is favored in the other four contests. Then again, given how much she's insulted the smaller states, it's more likely Obama will sweep that month. June? Montana and South Dakota are both likely to swing to Obama, and I anticipate Puerto Rico will, as well.

If she loses every contest after Pennsylvania, she'll still stay in until the convention? Really?

Edwards pledged to stay in until the end too, you know. We all know how that turned out. Fact is, she can't talk about dropping out now. She has to put on a brave face and promise to fight until the end, but if the entire party looks ready to turn against her and possibly render her irrelevant in the Senate, I'm sure she'll read the writing on the wall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 03/30/2008

I find it stunning that so many Americans are not registered to vote.

Both candidates owe it to themselves to keep their ideas on how the superdelegates should handle their votes to themselves. It's so obvious what motivates their ideas, and current standings could change after June, which would make one or both have to change dramatically what they voiced as the correct way to determine how to cast those votes. Having it on record could give all their votes to the opponent.

And, their surrogates should adopt a code of silence on the subject, as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 03/29/2008

The Dem Party must change its nominating process to drawing lots. Then, we can end this contest at day one and no single vote needs to be disenfranchised, whether its a vote from FL, MI or any of the states yet to hold its primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 03/29/2008

Obama and his supporters want this contest to end because they know Obama is the candidate of yesterday and Hillary is the candidate of today and hereon.

The novelty of Obama's hifalutin language of unity and change mesmerized voters to give his string of early victories. They have awaken since and are voting for the sincerity and durability of Hillary's candidacy.

OBAMA IS THE CANDIDATE OF YESTERDAY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 03/29/2008

As an Obama supporter I feel it very important not to ask Hillary to withdraw.

1. Her supporters wil think she is being treated unfairly.

2. What further damage can the Clintons do? Her Campaign made it clear that she and McCain are patriots while Obama is not, Obama is where he is because he is Black, and McCain is more qualified than Obama to be Commander and Chief.

3. If she keeps on doing what she is doing folks will catch on. Her Campaign and McCain's are both managed by BursonMarsteller/BKSH. Hillary is being used to validate McCain as Commander in Chief That is where he is scariest to many folks and therefore most vulnerable. They probably thought it was a stroke of genius to have an ostensible opponent play this role, but it is a little too obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 03/29/2008
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It's so refreshing to come to the Huffington Post and be inspired by all the Obama fans. Reading their comments filled with HOPE and opportunism. Gone is the cynicism of OLD POLITICS , replaced with the NEW POLITICS of a common purpose. That common purpose being trashing a women that has served her country and her party for 30 years. Very inspiring indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 03/29/2008
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Could we just wait until after all the votes are in before demanding any candidate withdraws? It would be nice for a change to hear the will of the people making the decision and not the pundits and supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 03/29/2008

Are you talking about super delegates? The race is over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 03/29/2008

I have discovered why Obama and his supporters think he has won the nomination before everyone has voted.

He bought it fair and square!

http://www.star-telegram.com/elections/story/551431.html

If Hillary wins, George Soros may want his money back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 03/29/2008

This bit of information comes out every now and then, but doesn't get much traction. Good link, thanks.

It's interesting, isn't it, how Obama wants the PAC money to end and claims he doesn't take PAC money. He gives it and he takes it, and in huge sums, but he will only take personal checks from members of management (that's the rule) rather than allow them to contribute to their corporate PAC and just have the PAC write him one check. He's taken over $1.18M from the subprime lenders who created this horrible housing crisis, but the media reported it once and are giving him a free ride on his lie that he doesn't take corporate or PAC contributions. I'm sure the same is true for every industry out there....he isn't reaching the numbers he is with $25 donations from the little people, no matter what he wants us to think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 03/29/2008

Were you home schooled by a moron? What this means is Obama has been active in building the party, something that you (if you're a Dem) should applaud. The fact that Hillary with her "35 years experience" lags behind in supporting other Dem candidates is what is telling. Once again, we have one candidate that works to unite and build our party, which he has done and the other who has a legacy of putting personal ambition first and losing Dem majorities. Have you forgotten Billwas elected with a veto proof majority in both the House and Senate in 1992 and lost it all in 1996 BECAUSE of Hillary's plan for mandatory health care? Wake up, please before we have to watch in horror John McBombIran sworn in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 03/29/2008

10,000.00 is peanuts. Hillary bought hers on credit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 03/29/2008

I very much appreciate information provided from other's research. However, what you have provided posted what appeared to be a news article by Rob Holakainen in McCalalchy newspapers.

WHere did they get the information, in other words where are the official documentationsof these contrbutions to these party, if they classified, how did they get the info to put in this paper, FOIA? I can read for myself for much money as you hinted Obama has purchased this election. Let just say, if he really did, and he old enough to witness what happen to John Kerry a few years ago, Do you think man is that dumb to spend money to purchase a president position for a nation that treat people like poop under thier shoes before allowing that individual to be elected president?

who's are payroll you? Is that you mccain? Is that you Clinton saddling up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 03/29/2008
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If you look at the end game perspective, Hillary is taking serious money from an incredible amount of Military, Pharmaceutical and Wall Street/Real Estate companies. She is making hand over fist from inside America, while Bill is making hundreds of millions being in bed with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman and others advising them on how to get around US regulations. She is paying people to keep herself wealthy and in control, and they are paying people for her.

Obama on the other hand is playing well against a stacked deck here, and to be realistic, contributing what little money he has earned from the people like me and his business backing, is the choice of his people. I donate, and I say do what you got to do to even the odds against one of the most corrupt power couples in Washington. It's my money, and I want to get the job done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 AM on 03/30/2008

Comments from another 'enlightened' Obama supporter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 03/29/2008

Barack Obama has only won 1 or 2 major Democratic states in the primaries. Is this the man who has the support of the majority of Democrats? I don't think so. Most of Obama's victories have been in Republican states that Democrats will not win-Idaho, Utah, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, Alaska, Nebraska. Clinton has won NY, CA, NJ, MASS, OH, FL and MI, to name a few. Obama can't win if the delgeates from FL & MI are seated, so Dean is making sure they are not. How the Democrats expect to win the White House without FL is beyond me. And how Obama can get the nomination without winning a major Democratic state like CA or NY, is beyond me. The Democrats deserve what they get. Obama is unelectable and a fraud. His campaign has been engineered by Rove (Republicans for Obama, a group he founded) and the Democrats fell for it. I agree: Pelosi and Reid have no guts and no spine. At least Clinton is not intimidated. The Democrats need that in the White House. Not someone who won't or can't take a stand and votes "present."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 03/29/2008

Hillary is a hideous, vicious, street thug. She lacks the character, integrity, and gravitas to be President.

She's a born liar and needs to get the hell out of this race right now.

Hillary must put the interests of the Democratic Party above her delusions of grandeur.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 03/29/2008
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Hillary thanks you for the kind, thoughtful words of praise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 03/29/2008

Another "enlightened' Obama supporter. You people talk about 'hope' and 'change', it's such a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 03/29/2008

Have you known her all your life? You sound like such a sweet person, I'm sure you're speaking from personal knowledge and experience with her.

Have you had to change your ID name many times? I'm just guessing you probably get flagged off the site every few days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 03/29/2008

This is the Hillary-Hating attitude that just baffles me and many others. I'm waiting for some erudite soul to truly explain this phenomena. I know nothing she has done in the course of this campaign remotely has earned her this degree of anger. I feel certain it's not as simple as sexism. I sometimes wonder if it has to do with her relationship with her husband. There are so many wounded people in our world today who may have some real issues regarding infidelity going on.

I can't wait until someone explains this to me in a way that really does jangle as true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 03/29/2008
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Are you one of those new kind of politics, the non divisive, unifying Obama fans because you sound like a nasty Republican? Just wondering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 03/29/2008


Why am I not posted ever? This contest between Hillary and Barack because of the extraordinary gifts of Barack Obama and who he is has become a 21st Century CIVIL WAR of Politics, Race AND Cultural Difference. If Barack Obama survives vetting by his OWN party, he will be 99.99% armored for any kind of vetting by the republicans.
THE DEMOCRACTIC PARTY IS AFRAID OF HILLARY except Pelosi, Richardson, Dodd, Leahy, Casey. . .Al Gore? He seems to say lately: Frankly, Barack, I don't give a damn, droning on, we have, five more months (for Hillary to "bloody" you)? Gore has green monster on his back? Sadder, the party watches the verbal nastiness and scum tactics unleashed on Obama by Clintons, while they simultaneously raise their voices praising McCain, then reprimands: Barrack, Hillary stop your bickering. Foul play. McCain & Hillary are being promoted as All American by CLINTONS to suggest Obama's not.
After Barack Obama this party will never be the same again. This senator shows himself courageous, gifted American who employs high standards of engagement, although caught in a maelstrom of foul play. We should be grateful Barack Obama has brought to youth and the rest of us his grassroots campaign of Civics In Action 101. If Barack survives, he'll arrive GE on "a wing and a prayer" AND defeat Hill, Bill & McCain!
(Now N.C. poll gives Obama double digits? PA Rendell says votes "white"? Casey helps O in PA?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 03/29/2008

Well, see......you lost credibility when you failed to admit that Obama has been waging a highly negative and highly personal attack campaign since Texas.

Until I see some admission of that, I know I'm dealing with someone who either doesn't really follow the news or has drunk too much kool-aid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 03/29/2008

Excuse me, but my candidate of choice, and one I've proudly voted for inspires me with dedication, drive, and passion for America.

The other leads be to believe that voting for him will lead to magical change in America, with everybody doing the right thing, and the pieces just falling into the right place to "finally" get things to "change," and that only he can bring them.

Obama supporters want this race to end prematurely because they know Hillary has the advantage in the remaining contests, and the Obamania in Feb is beginning to recede and see it for what it really is: an empty spectacle of a cult of personality.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 03/29/2008

:) I can see the animated blue birds landing on your finger while you whistle a happy tune now :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 03/29/2008

jth252..........you're joking right? What planet are you from ?........and since when did Hillary have advantage of the remaining states? You Hillary supporters never cease to amaze me with your denial of the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 03/29/2008
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