Democrats Fear Tight Obama-Clinton Finish Could Damage Party's Chances

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CHARLES BABINGTON | March 29, 2008 03:20 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a nightmarish end, which could wreck a promising election year.

The chief worry is that Clinton may carry her recent winning streak into Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina and other states, leaving her with unquestioned momentum but fewer pledged delegates than Obama. Party leaders then would face a wrenching choice: Steer the nomination to a fading Obama, even as signs suggested Clinton could be the stronger candidate in November; or go with the surging Clinton and risk infuriating Obama's supporters, especially blacks, the Democratic Party's most loyal base.

Some anxious Democrats want party elders to step in now to generate more "superdelegate" support for Obama, effectively choking off Clinton's hopes before she can bolster them further. But many say that is unlikely, and they pray the final 10 contests will make the ultimate choice fairly obvious, not excruciating.

Barring a complete meltdown by Obama, Clinton has almost no chance of surpassing his number of pledged delegates, even if she scores upset wins in states such as Oregon, which votes May 20. But such victories would encourage her to keep criticizing Obama _ her only hope for the nomination _ and thus heighten doubts about Obama's ability to defeat Republican Sen. John McCain in the fall.

That scenario troubles many Democrats, especially those who feel Obama's nomination is all but inevitable.

"This is going to give Republicans a chance to try to destroy everything we've been trying to work for for eight years," said Ken Foxworth, a Democratic National Committee member from Minnesota and superdelegate who backs Obama.

Superdelegates are party officials, including members of Congress, who can back any candidate they wish. With neither Obama nor Clinton able to secure the nomination with the pledged delegates they win in primaries and caucuses, the superdelegates ultimately will decide the outcome.

Many undeclared superdelegates express confidence that all will be well. Democratic voters will unite in the fall, they say, and the injuries that Obama and Clinton inflict on each other this spring will heal.

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Privately, however, some party insiders worry that these superdelegates may be blithely marching toward a treacherous crossroad, where they will have to choose between a deeply wounded Obama and a soaring Clinton whose success was built on tearing down the party's front-runner in terms of delegates.

A senior Democratic Senate aide, who would speak only on background because most members of Congress bar their staff members from being quoted by name, called it a nightmare that's getting worse.

The Democrats' optimism of February has been replaced by fear, this aide said, referring to the widely held view last month that Obama was coasting to the nomination after winning 11 straight contests. Clinton halted the skid in Texas and Ohio on March 4 and is favored to win the Pennsylvania primary on April 22.

If the New York senator also tops Obama in Indiana and North Carolina on May 6, West Virginia a week later, and Kentucky and/or Oregon on May 20, her supporters will argue that the dynamic has sharply changed in ways party leaders cannot ignore. Obama is no longer the sure-footed campaigner who piled up wins and delegates in February, they will say, and the superdelegates' obligation to the party is to nominate the sprinting Clinton, even if it angers Obama backers.

Of course, Obama could practically extinguish Clinton's final hopes by winning one or more of those states. Many Democrats believe he will, suggesting Clinton's continued campaign is a hopeless, albeit potentially harmful, endeavor.

Obama's nomination is "a foregone conclusion," Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., told National Journal. Dodd endorsed Obama after trying for the nomination himself.

He's ahead of Clinton in delegates, popular votes, states won and fundraising. Obama seems nearly certain to finish the primary season far ahead of Clinton financially. At the end of February his campaign had $30 million on hand, while Clinton's had only $3 million more in cash than in debts.

Some Obama supporters question Clinton's motives: They suggest she is counting on a stunning gaffe or shocking revelation to cripple Obama and hand her the nomination. Others float a more sinister possibility, which has found its way into mainstream news accounts: Clinton hopes to damage Obama so severely that he loses to McCain this fall, clearing her path to challenge McCain in 2012, when he will be 75.

Clinton scoffs at such suggestions, and calls on voters to support whomever is the Democratic nominee in November.

Whatever her motives, many Democrats fear that Clinton's continued criticisms can only hurt the man they see as their all-but-certain nominee. They point to a recent Gallup poll, in which 28 percent of Clinton's Democratic supporters said they would vote for McCain if Obama is the party's nominee. Nineteen percent of Obama's supporters said they would vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nod.

Faced with such disturbing trends, some Democrats want party elders either to persuade Clinton to drop out, or to orchestrate enough superdelegate endorsements of Obama to make her defeat inevitable. But high-profile Democrats, including former president Jimmy Carter, former vice president Al Gore, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, have refrained from such moves so far.

"My job is to make sure the person who loses feels like they have been treated fairly so that their supporters will support the winner," Dean told The Associated Press.

Indeed, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi drew objections from Clinton backers when she approached the issue by saying she shared Obama's view that superdelegates should be guided by the vote for pledged delegates.

This week, one of Obama's prominent supporters, Sen. Patrick Leahy took the next step. The Vermont Democrat who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee said Clinton can't win enough delegates and should drop out and support Obama.

Ferrel Guillory, director of the Program on Southern Politics, Media, and Public Life at the University of North Carolina, said it's probably asking too much of Dean and others to step in. In an era of sharply contested primaries and largely meaningless nominating conventions, he said "we don't have any power brokers any more" who could somehow negotiate a resolution.

Pat Waak, chairwoman of the Colorado Democratic Party, said the worriers should relax.

"I actually think it's good for the party to get through this process," she said. "It gives everybody a chance to be part of it," she said, noting that Democratic voter registration is soaring in many states.

In Pennsylvania, Democrats have registered a staggering 161,000 new voters since last fall, pushing their numbers over 4 million for the first time. In Oregon, nearly 10,000 voters have refiled as Democrats in the last seven weeks.

Waak added, however: "The concern I have is the kind of level of attack that has come up" between Obama and Clinton. "I don't think that is good for the party."

Superdelegates will have to choose this summer, Waak said, and it will be easy if Obama can significantly increase his lead in delegates, popular votes and states won. On the other hand, she said, "the narrower the margin and the less conclusive it is, the harder it becomes."

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Associated Press Writer Nedra Pickler contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a night...
WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a night...
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- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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"28 percent of Clinton's Democratic supporters said they would vote for McCain if Obama is the party's nominee. Nineteen percent of Obama's supporters said they would vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nod." -- Yikes! Looking grim. . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 03/29/2008

I find it strange, to say the least, that THAT many "Democrats" would be willing to give Bush a 3rd term, and continue to let American's and Iraqi's die in Iraq !!!

Shameful !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 03/29/2008
- mouselion I'm a Fan of mouselion 123 fans permalink
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Thing is, they could simply write in their choice in the general election if that person doesn't get the nomination. They may not win that way, but they won't be driving the nation into the ditch, either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 03/29/2008
- gba I'm a Fan of gba permalink

Posts like this might explain why:

"Hillary is a hideous, vicious, street thug. She lacks the character, integrity, and gravitas to be President. (...) She's a born liar and needs to get the hell out of this race right now.(...)
Hillary must put the interests of the Democratic Party above her delusions of grandeur."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 03/29/2008

I fear this attitude is in response to the Obama supporters threat to "riot in the streets" if Obama didn't win.

Kind of like "Mommy, if I don't get my way, I'll hold my breath till I turn blue". Is this typical of Obama voters? I hope not.
I hope that when this plays out to the end, everyone will vote for the Democratic candidate for President and then band together to get rid of all of the old Democrats in the House and Senate who have played politics for their own gain by supporting one candidate over the other. This is not their choice, it is ours.
Their job is to pass legislation that benefits all of America, not to sway the will of the voters by endorsing the candidate that gave them the most campaign money.
It's time for new blood in the Democratically controlled House and Senate. Lets elect young Veterans who can really get the U.S. out of this war.
The Founding Fathers did not forsee career politicians who are either rich when they start or get rich while they are there. Lets have term limits, the career politians nightmare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 03/29/2008

This has nothing to do with the article in question, but beware of AP articles written by Nedra Pickler. She's a passive-voice, weasel-word rumor monger. If Rush Limbaugh were to call Hillary Clinton a lesbian, Nedra Pickler would right an article like "Many Question Clintons' Marriage".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 03/29/2008
- mickyx65it I'm a Fan of mickyx65it 5 fans permalink

To suggest this is close is nonsense. In fact it is almost impossible for Hillary to win. And her own campaign privately has recognized no more of 10% chances. Reality is the chances is under 1%, because the truth is that only a complete catastrophe that has never happened before con make her win. If someone wants to check, count the delegates, make the real numbers yourself without litening anybody else, and you'll see, the numbers are almost insurmountable for Hillary. Hillary is dead fatty meat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 03/29/2008

Time To ReBoot America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 03/29/2008

The cultists worshiping at the altar of the Church of the Ascension of the Virgin Hillary is alive and well. They won't be happy until they get John McCain elected with a Republican majority in the House and the Senate (just what Bill accomplished in his first 2 terms). They offer free kkkool-aid to all delegates in Denver.

The Republicans can't believe their good fortune in having the Billary to do their dirty work for'em.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 03/29/2008

This IS a tight race, so that's exactly why HIllary Clinton should Stay In. The Democratic party leaders are the ones dividing the party, because they're trying to force Hillary out . They don't seem to give a damn about the other half of their party and all the independent voters who are for Hillary Clinton!
Hillary supporters: we need to band together , start a petition, start writing letters , do something about this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 03/29/2008
- stringer I'm a Fan of stringer 8 fans permalink

Then end it now. Barack Obama has won this race by every metric known to humankind: the delegate vote, the popular vote, the number of states won, etc., etc., etc.

We the voters have told you the Democratic Party to quit taking stock of your fears. It's what allowed you to let George W. Bush run his entire nutty, right-wing agenda over you.

Obama told you to stand up against negativity, hope and have a positive message. You lauged at him. He racked up a string of wins unparalleled in modern politics. You all stood still and did nothing. He spread a message of hope and gave us the first real chance for change in this country for 20 years. You Democratic bigwigs still stood still. Then he was hit with the most ugly form of smear tactics and negativity I've ever seen. He proceeded to knock it out of the park with positivity and give one of the most important speeches in this country's history. The Democratic bigwigs exhaled but remained still and scared.

Here's the deal: He's going to win. If those of you who run the Democratic Party continue to take stock of your fears and refuse to stand up for what's right that's your problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 03/29/2008
- genia I'm a Fan of genia 27 fans permalink
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What's the difference? It's too late. Something like 110,000 republicans voted for Hil in the Texas primary. Same in Ohio...and Miss. Now.....they are strong and organized heading into NC. Limbaugh's Operation Chaos is promising to give NC to Clinton.
Republicans have made a mockery of a national election.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/today.guest.html


.................and now (DOH!!) some democrats are > starting < to worry.

This should have ended the day after we had a clear winner. BEFORE.......resentments were formed, supporters were divided and things got this ugly.
Ugh...I have always maintained that the Republicans are evil and the Democrats are stupid.
I'm afraid I am an American without a party.....A.W.P.
I'm not going to lie....I will not vote for McCain.....I probably just won't vote come November. ...first time .
Maybe Obama could run as an independent....yeah, start a new party..the purple party...or Intelligent party....lol....I like it!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 03/29/2008
- BigBen I'm a Fan of BigBen 4 fans permalink

It will. The day after we have a clear winner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 03/29/2008
- rojo7449 I'm a Fan of rojo7449 9 fans permalink

:) exactly. The day after we have a clear winner.

I have never listened to a Rush Limbaugh broadcast, and never will, but the only reason he's a problem to the continued freedom in this country is because there are so many people who listen and "learn" from him. And, anger is a really easy emotion to sell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 03/29/2008

Yes this is *the* issue that's giving me the creeps. Operation Chaos is proving so successful.
It's going to inflate HRC's numbers in all the forthcoming primaries.

I try to comfort myself that surely the superdelegates are not completely stupid and they're going
to `get it` too.

But just as wonders never cease, so do giant ballsups. sigh

I'm appalled by the Ohio Attorney-General's reaction - refusal to take on Limbaugh over this. I take the A-G there is part of the Ohio Clinton support machine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 03/29/2008

Something truly amazing is happening. Obama is inspiring more than just an electrified nomination process. Everyone should see this and share it, regardless of which side of the fence you happen to rest on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9IldaegAB0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 03/29/2008

Thanks, great teacher
The young americans are with a positive teacher and a positive speaking politican.
They are starting to look at the news with only positive messages, turning off the negative ones.

If more adults stop feeding into the negative propaganda, they just might have a change to stop shooting their own behind off, they have cut off the nose, that why everything Hilary doesn't get the smell test.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 03/29/2008
- sockman I'm a Fan of sockman 33 fans permalink
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Maybe if one of those cowardly democrats that are now calling for Hillary Clinton to drop out of the race, had the balls to challange John Kerry before he was the certain nominee and before the Republicans swift boated him, we would not be in this protracted mess right now. Say what you like about the Clintons, they aren't gutless worms like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, who cringe and cower at the first sight of political blood and too often throw in the towel and surrender to the Republicans.
The Democratic congress and senate are full of cowards like Reid and Polosi who can't or won't fight for the interest of Democrats because they have no fighting spirit . They' ve never been bloodied because they are yet of find an issue that they are prepared to go the full 15 rounds for. They are quitters and back stabbers.... the whole lot of them.
So lets deliver Barack Obama to the Republicans all pretty and pristine .....the way we delivered John Kerry before the bludgeoning that ensued. Let the first time he is slapped down and roughed up be by a Republican who knows something about fighting and winning. We are DEMOCRATS people, and we prefer our candidates for president to look pretty, talk pretty and preferably without any noticeable battle scars. A certain loser ...if history is any guide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 03/29/2008
- jsinclair I'm a Fan of jsinclair 14 fans permalink

Hillary's incredible support for GWB through the many agonizing years of his failed policies, really -does- put her in the Reid category of "gutless wonder" for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 03/29/2008

Let do the math here sock man,

How many republican registered voters for the November election? How for our side, I read in Pa has a record 4 million registered. I just looked at the youtube on how young people talk to other young on and on the Obama message yes we can are moving people to well in their 20s never voted before are now inspired just by those 3 words.

If we had the mind set to truly be a democrat, (think and take action vote democrat) no matter who the final person is, that's a united party. If democrats allow themselves to be talked into voting republican over a democrat they not a true democrat in the first place. that is why John Kerry lost..

Because the numbers show there are more registers voters on the democrat party. If the republicans lied to fraud the elections that to me is when you need the balls to put these people in jail for the next two voting seasons to teach defrauding the nations of a honest elections destroys the nations and distrust from others countries who are watching us and listening to rush limbaugh too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 03/29/2008

I've been reading all these bloggers lately saying Clinton should drop out...and up until today, I admit to being one of them !!

NO MORE !!!

Sen. Leahy, many Democratic "big-wigs"; saying Clinton is hurting the Party...is our Party really this weak ???

I heard today, that the reason the Republicans win, is that good or bad, they stand for something - and STICK to it !! The Democrats wavering all the time loses them elections !! hmmmmm!!

It's bad enough the DNC "punished" MI and FL for moving up their primaries and disenfranchised millions of voters. Now we say it's okay to ignore the votes of the remaining 10 states and let the Party big-wigs determine the nominee ?? This isn't right !!

Percentages of Democrats on both sides are saying if their candidate doesn't get the nomination, they'll vote for McCain. Not Democrats at all!! Are we really willing to hand the WH to the GOP, and give Bush a 3rd term...continue having Americans die in Iraq ?? I don't get it !!!

The candidates will NOT stop sniping; their surrogates will not stop sniping; the bloggers will not stop sniping. But let it play out...every American vote counts !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 03/29/2008

I love the premise of this piece, which via AP is everywhere today: "Clinton may carry her recent winning streak into Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina and other states, leaving her with unquestioned momentum." There have been days--or weeks--when this made sense as a "chief worry," but this isn't one of them. I figure that even after Obama reaches the required number of delegates the press will still be talking about this ostensible horse race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 03/29/2008
- larry278 I'm a Fan of larry278 50 fans permalink

Mr Babbington has prepared yet another excuse a defeated Democratic Party can use if they, again, snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory & John Sidney McCain becomes POTUS #44. Preparing excuses for failure is a year round, thriving cottage industry for Democrats. Mr Babbington isn't jumping the gun on seeing defeat for Dems in Nov '08. He's going to have a great head start in selling his excuse to failed Dem Sad Sacks.
I wonder what would happen if Dems who devote their time to making excuses for failure tried to get Democrats elected to office 100% of the time. While their excuses are always lame. the excuse makers could stuff & seal envelopes, make coffee, tack up posters & do jobs that don't require any human contact. That would free the enthuistic to campaign & get Democrats elected to office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 03/29/2008
- PennP I'm a Fan of PennP 26 fans permalink
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The silly season has arrived at the duh moment.

One candidate, a pathological liar and resume padder, exerts a corrosive action on the party and galvanizes her base through bigotry and fear.

The other candidate, a man of integrity who accepts responsibility for his actions, generates hope and strength in the party and galvanizes his base with inspiration and purpose.

If the superdelegates can't see who's the better candidate for the job, the party, and the country, they don't deserve "party leader" status.

If what's good for the party is not what's good for the country, it ain't really good.

This race is different from any that has gone before, and it's creating its own rules. Regardless of the assumptions about working it out at the convention, there's nothing stopping the superdelegates from doing the right thing now. As things stand, the undeclared superdelegates are holding this nomination hostage. They should get off their fenceposts and declare, or relinquish their votes to replacements who will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 03/29/2008
- PJay I'm a Fan of PJay 6 fans permalink

Excellent comment, PennP. I agree with you. It should be sooner rather than later. June is too late imo. Even May is too late. It should happen before there is even more damage than has already been done, some of which I fear may be irreversible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 03/29/2008
- Actionmac I'm a Fan of Actionmac 10 fans permalink
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Don't forget that this is one of the BS stories that someone writes and then says it is on the minds of the voters, uh democrat leaders.

Dumb story, the truth is with Obama the House and Senate stand to pick up many more seats than with Clinton... The White House is a better bet with Obama than Clinton. Say what you want, but the gender and race thing has played tom the demise of the Clintons and has ensured that she WILL NEVER be POTUS.

Send the Crone and the cigar man home so they don't infect anymore people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 03/29/2008

I don't think either candidate is going to drop out before PA, NC, and IA are over with. Once those contests are over with, there will be a lot more information on the true state of the race. A lot has happened over the past three weeks and it will be interesting to see how it plays out in the next three contests.

In the meantime, for what it's worth, the polls are favoring Obama and not Clinton (Gallup 50%-43%).

I think both candidates will benefit if they use the next three weeks to focus on the issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 03/29/2008
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