Democrats Fear Tight Obama-Clinton Finish Could Damage Party's Chances

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CHARLES BABINGTON | March 29, 2008 03:20 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks during a town hall meeting at Hempfield Area High School in Greensburg, Pa., Friday, March 28, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a nightmarish end, which could wreck a promising election year.

The chief worry is that Clinton may carry her recent winning streak into Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina and other states, leaving her with unquestioned momentum but fewer pledged delegates than Obama. Party leaders then would face a wrenching choice: Steer the nomination to a fading Obama, even as signs suggested Clinton could be the stronger candidate in November; or go with the surging Clinton and risk infuriating Obama's supporters, especially blacks, the Democratic Party's most loyal base.

Some anxious Democrats want party elders to step in now to generate more "superdelegate" support for Obama, effectively choking off Clinton's hopes before she can bolster them further. But many say that is unlikely, and they pray the final 10 contests will make the ultimate choice fairly obvious, not excruciating.

Barring a complete meltdown by Obama, Clinton has almost no chance of surpassing his number of pledged delegates, even if she scores upset wins in states such as Oregon, which votes May 20. But such victories would encourage her to keep criticizing Obama _ her only hope for the nomination _ and thus heighten doubts about Obama's ability to defeat Republican Sen. John McCain in the fall.

That scenario troubles many Democrats, especially those who feel Obama's nomination is all but inevitable.

"This is going to give Republicans a chance to try to destroy everything we've been trying to work for for eight years," said Ken Foxworth, a Democratic National Committee member from Minnesota and superdelegate who backs Obama.

Superdelegates are party officials, including members of Congress, who can back any candidate they wish. With neither Obama nor Clinton able to secure the nomination with the pledged delegates they win in primaries and caucuses, the superdelegates ultimately will decide the outcome.

Many undeclared superdelegates express confidence that all will be well. Democratic voters will unite in the fall, they say, and the injuries that Obama and Clinton inflict on each other this spring will heal.

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Privately, however, some party insiders worry that these superdelegates may be blithely marching toward a treacherous crossroad, where they will have to choose between a deeply wounded Obama and a soaring Clinton whose success was built on tearing down the party's front-runner in terms of delegates.

A senior Democratic Senate aide, who would speak only on background because most members of Congress bar their staff members from being quoted by name, called it a nightmare that's getting worse.

The Democrats' optimism of February has been replaced by fear, this aide said, referring to the widely held view last month that Obama was coasting to the nomination after winning 11 straight contests. Clinton halted the skid in Texas and Ohio on March 4 and is favored to win the Pennsylvania primary on April 22.

If the New York senator also tops Obama in Indiana and North Carolina on May 6, West Virginia a week later, and Kentucky and/or Oregon on May 20, her supporters will argue that the dynamic has sharply changed in ways party leaders cannot ignore. Obama is no longer the sure-footed campaigner who piled up wins and delegates in February, they will say, and the superdelegates' obligation to the party is to nominate the sprinting Clinton, even if it angers Obama backers.

Of course, Obama could practically extinguish Clinton's final hopes by winning one or more of those states. Many Democrats believe he will, suggesting Clinton's continued campaign is a hopeless, albeit potentially harmful, endeavor.

Obama's nomination is "a foregone conclusion," Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., told National Journal. Dodd endorsed Obama after trying for the nomination himself.

He's ahead of Clinton in delegates, popular votes, states won and fundraising. Obama seems nearly certain to finish the primary season far ahead of Clinton financially. At the end of February his campaign had $30 million on hand, while Clinton's had only $3 million more in cash than in debts.

Some Obama supporters question Clinton's motives: They suggest she is counting on a stunning gaffe or shocking revelation to cripple Obama and hand her the nomination. Others float a more sinister possibility, which has found its way into mainstream news accounts: Clinton hopes to damage Obama so severely that he loses to McCain this fall, clearing her path to challenge McCain in 2012, when he will be 75.

Clinton scoffs at such suggestions, and calls on voters to support whomever is the Democratic nominee in November.

Whatever her motives, many Democrats fear that Clinton's continued criticisms can only hurt the man they see as their all-but-certain nominee. They point to a recent Gallup poll, in which 28 percent of Clinton's Democratic supporters said they would vote for McCain if Obama is the party's nominee. Nineteen percent of Obama's supporters said they would vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nod.

Faced with such disturbing trends, some Democrats want party elders either to persuade Clinton to drop out, or to orchestrate enough superdelegate endorsements of Obama to make her defeat inevitable. But high-profile Democrats, including former president Jimmy Carter, former vice president Al Gore, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, have refrained from such moves so far.

"My job is to make sure the person who loses feels like they have been treated fairly so that their supporters will support the winner," Dean told The Associated Press.

Indeed, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi drew objections from Clinton backers when she approached the issue by saying she shared Obama's view that superdelegates should be guided by the vote for pledged delegates.

This week, one of Obama's prominent supporters, Sen. Patrick Leahy took the next step. The Vermont Democrat who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee said Clinton can't win enough delegates and should drop out and support Obama.

Ferrel Guillory, director of the Program on Southern Politics, Media, and Public Life at the University of North Carolina, said it's probably asking too much of Dean and others to step in. In an era of sharply contested primaries and largely meaningless nominating conventions, he said "we don't have any power brokers any more" who could somehow negotiate a resolution.

Pat Waak, chairwoman of the Colorado Democratic Party, said the worriers should relax.

"I actually think it's good for the party to get through this process," she said. "It gives everybody a chance to be part of it," she said, noting that Democratic voter registration is soaring in many states.

In Pennsylvania, Democrats have registered a staggering 161,000 new voters since last fall, pushing their numbers over 4 million for the first time. In Oregon, nearly 10,000 voters have refiled as Democrats in the last seven weeks.

Waak added, however: "The concern I have is the kind of level of attack that has come up" between Obama and Clinton. "I don't think that is good for the party."

Superdelegates will have to choose this summer, Waak said, and it will be easy if Obama can significantly increase his lead in delegates, popular votes and states won. On the other hand, she said, "the narrower the margin and the less conclusive it is, the harder it becomes."

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Associated Press Writer Nedra Pickler contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a night...
WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a night...
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- mrJJ I'm a Fan of mrJJ 23 fans permalink

The results for Texas County and Senate District Conventions for the caucus delegates can be viewed online as the results come in at BOR. The complete results probably wont be ready till sometime this evening. Best of luck to both Dem candidates.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 03/29/2008

Obama should drop out for the party's sake and give the electable candidate a chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 03/29/2008
- PJay I'm a Fan of PJay 6 fans permalink

By "electable", I suspect you mean "white". For shame!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 03/29/2008

PART 1:

Barack Obama will never be elected President of The United States and it won’t be because he is a black man, although his association with Jeremiah Wright won’t help him at all this fall. The polls are inaccurate regarding this simmering issue. It’s too early to judge those polls. He has not put this issue behind him. When push comes to shove when moderate Democratic voters walk into the booth they’ll choose McCain. His explanations to date have been weak and extremely political. The facts are the facts. He was a member of the church for 20 years. His explanations have been Clintonesque on Reverend Wright. And I mean Bill.

Now, the real reason why Obama won’t be elected. It’s historically pure and simple. The Democratic Party doesn’t know how to pick a candidate for a general election. Barack Obama is not a moderate, a centrist. His record speaks for itself and the Republicans will have a field day with it. He has run his entire campaign against Hillary Clinton on his opposition to the Iraq vote. That platform will not cut it in a general election against John McCain no matter what is going on in Iraq on Election Day. It’s already defined him; it’s to late for him to change his strategy to play it down the middle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 03/29/2008

PART 2:

In 1968, the Democratic Party nominated Hubert Humphrey to run against Richard Nixon. The Democratic Party ran the same anti-war campaign. After the massive turmoil of the late 1960’s, the bloody Vietnam War, the racial issues in this country the country was still not ready for change with an anti-war liberal candidate. The ‘youth’ vote did not win the election for the Democratic Party neither did the left wing elders in the party. Like John McCain, the country elected Richard M. Nixon, a Republican who was considered not Republican enough by his own party. He was considered a centrist. Nixon promised to leave Vietnam with honor. In 1972 the Democratic Party nominated George McGovern believing the country was really ready for change. Again, wrong. McGovern lost to Nixon. Sound familiar? John McCain will run the same general election campaign with of course a bit of Reagan’s campaign, that’s a given.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 03/29/2008

PART 3:

The good old boys running the Democratic Party from behind ‘the curtains’ are insanely egotistical and still politically naïve. Obama is their man and he is unelectable. His charisma will not get him elected. Again, he is not a centrist and he’s run his entire campaign to date on his opposition to the Iraq war. The good old boys running the Democratic Party never get it right. They tried to keep Bill Clinton off the ticket in 1992. Bill Clinton was the only 2 term President since Franklin D. Roosevelt. Bill Clinton ran as a centrist and he got it right. He ran on the economy, just like FDR in his 1st term in office. FDR was elected to 4 unprecedented terms in office. His last 2 terms in office were based on the American people believing that he could win the 2nd World War with honor and pride, that he would do the right thing.

Again, Obama has not run his campaign on these platforms. And he doesn’t have the record. Obama-nites will point out that Bill Clinton was a virtually unknown, yes, but Bill Clinton was a governor of a Southern State for 12 years. Experience matters. And he knew how to run and what to run on. He is an astute student of political and social American history. Unfortunately, my party, the Democratic Party elders aren’t students of political history. Richard Nixon’s election(s) should have taught them a lesson. But, they did not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 03/29/2008

PART 4:

The Obama-nites will say well, Jimmy Carter got elected. Jimmy Carter got elected partly because of Watergate. But, the real reason Carter got elected was that he ran as a centrist. He was a Southern governor. He was a conservative to moderate religious Baptist and he promised to bring honesty to the Whitehouse based on his ‘strong’ religious core. He didn’t promise ‘Change & Hope” in the glib terms that Obama has defined his campaign. Not at all. It was religion.

The Republicans later incorporated the ‘religion’ tactic in their future campaigns most prominently in George Jr’s. horrific administration, 2x. On top of good old Reagan and Nixon platforms. History is just about to repeat itself. My party cannot get it right. Another wrong candidate for a general election at the wrong time in history. This country never goes to the left in terms of electing a Democratic candidate in uncertain times. They go to the right with Republican candidates. The polls are deceiving for Obama in terms of the general election. Very deceiving. The blue dog blue-collar Reagan Democrats won’t pull the lever for Obama. And, again it won’t be because of his race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 03/29/2008

PART 5:

On top of it all, Florida is lost this fall to the Democratic Party. Not only because of the vote suppression (the re-do) by the Obama campaign. And the irony of that decision by the Obama campaign is truly absurd. One of the most underestimated reasons will be that Obama will not have the most important vote in Florida and that is the Cuban vote. He lost it last fall when he said that he would meet with leaders like Fidel Castro without pre-conditions. The mere mention of Castro’s name is all the Cubans needed to hear. That’s all they will remember on Election Day. Remember Al Gore’s original position on Elian Gonzalez? Well, Gore lost the Cubans with that ‘original’ opinion. It was one of the most important reasons why Gore lost Florida.

Obama’s got 2 strikes against him in Florida. The Joe Lieberman factor is the second. He lost the Jewish vote not because of the recent developments on Reverend Wright. He lost it before because of the alliance of Joe Lieberman and John McCain. The Wright controversy with the Jewish moderate-conservative Democratic voters in Florida is just icing on the cake for John McCain. They will vote McCain. Once again we will lose the general election because of Florida. Obama will never carry a red state in the fall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 03/29/2008

Middbrain...go to left-brain, or right-brain (whichever one works; "middbrain" isn't working well !!)

To suggest the canidate with the most popular votes, the most pledged delegates, etc. "drop out" is beyond ridicilous !!!!

Reality check is much needed !!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 03/29/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

EyeWant - I think the point is that this is very close and to suggest that either bow out is ridiculous. That is the way the system works and all of this hysteria is unwarranted. The reality check is in realizing that this is a Democratic primary. Wild rides are hardly uncommon. Accusing Midbrain of mental incompetence for taking the same approach as you do, but from the other side, is the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 03/29/2008

Dont like the taste of your own medicine Obamites?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 03/29/2008

After 8 years of Clinton lies and 8 years of Bush lies, this country no longer wants liars leading us. Clinton is not electable. How can you honestly be comfortable supporting someone who keeps getting caught lying? Seriously, you act like you have battered women's syndrome. Snap out of it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 03/29/2008
- ars I'm a Fan of ars permalink

for the party's sake? What about the country or the people's sake?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 03/29/2008
- Serfie I'm a Fan of Serfie 14 fans permalink

Why do the Obama Thugocrats hate democracy so much?

Here is an idea:

Let the Democratic Party do away with primaries all together, and just let the Obama Thugocrats rule for eternity, since elections scare them so much and might get in the way of their power.

Bill Mahr is right. We have a primary season and a convention for a reason, and that it to select a nominee.

If Obama Thugocrats hate the process so much, maybe they should start a new party and just coronate their leaders. Then they can have their Obamafuhrer for life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 03/29/2008
- DLZ I'm a Fan of DLZ 5 fans permalink

I agree. If the Obama people had their way, those of us who support Hillary would be bound and gagged. The voting is not over!!!! Let it play out and then let's see where we stand. People pushing to end this primary race before everyone has had a chance to cast a vote risk losing the Hillary supporters all together in the general election. I am for Clinton because, compared to Obama, she has more experience. If the Pro-Obama people don't stop trying to end the primary prematurely, people like me, who prefer experience over pretty speeches will vote for McCain. On the other hand, if we get to the Convention and Obama has a commanding lead over Hillary, then I will vote with my fellow democrats, but only after everyone has been heard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 03/29/2008
- Mattie I'm a Fan of Mattie 54 fans permalink

They are an angry bunch, I've read dozens and dozens of posts here about the violence they will do if their savior Obama isn't the nominee. What whole group one night talked about burning our cities. Seriously, who could support a man who inspires this kind of hate and violence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 03/29/2008
- boombox I'm a Fan of boombox 8 fans permalink

Then we can send you off to camp!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 03/29/2008
- Actionmac I'm a Fan of Actionmac 10 fans permalink
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Maybe the Clintons can do that very thing your suggesting, in Dubai where Bill has been getting many pay checks.

Bill Mahr is wrong as he is in many things. His assertion that the convention is where the fight should go is the very thing that republicans want. The truth is clitnton knows she CAN'T WIN, and wants to have her supporters make the convention a battle on idiotic terms such as electoral college, big states, and electability all arguments created to take the focus off the TRUTH that she is LOSING the race at hand to get to the terms suggested.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 03/29/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Only a Republican could dismiss the absolute good that Bill has done in Africa.

You Republican?

May I ask why in the world you even are expressing an opinion about our Dem. process?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 03/29/2008

What's wrong with giving the nomination to the person with the most elected delegates?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 03/29/2008

BrooklynLager: To answer your question, "Because that would be "giving" that person something they did not win."
Everyone who doesn't understand how the United States Presidential election process works, hold up your right hand.

Well, Well, Obama supporters, you win this contest at least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 03/29/2008

Charles Bennington, the writer of this opinion piece, plays well.
Look at the spin in the title. "Democrats Fear Tight Obama-Clinton Finish Damage Party's Chances." On the one hand, he is giving hope to Clinton supporters that she will be close to the finish line to make an argument she is the one. On the other, Bennington is saying such scenario would annihilate all chances of Democrats' victory in November. Thanks to him for putting the fact in right perspective: A vote for Hillary now is a vote for McCain later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 03/29/2008
- Poised I'm a Fan of Poised 2 fans permalink

IMO, a vote for Obama now is a vote for McCain later.

I'm amazed to read that Democrats fear the democratic process -- you know, the silly notion that every vote should count, that candidates should not be crowned by party ubermensches in back rooms. Why does anyone think that the healthily messy political process should be tidied up, spray painted, retouched, and glamorized? And who in their right mind would vote for a candidate in the general election who is as shallow as an 8 x 10 glossy? We need to see what these people are made of before casting our precious votes. Let them fight it out in plain sight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 03/29/2008
- LBM I'm a Fan of LBM permalink
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Look at the actual numbers.

Right now in pledged delegates Obama has 1414, Clinton has 1248

In the next 10 contests the total available is 566 more. It's possible that one or the other would get the majority, but maybe not. Figuring that they split this evenly, that will give each an additional 283 delegates so Obama would have 1697, Clinton would have 1531.

They need to get to 2025 to get the nomination, so that means that they need the super delegates to win. There are 800 super delegates. So for both to get to the 2025, that would mean they need 822 super delegate votes. This means that there could be a win with only a 22 vote difference.

In order to get the nomination, Obama would need 328 super delegates, Clinton would need 494 super delegates.

This is an assumption based on them splitting the remaining 10 contests. At this point it looks like Clinton is favored to win quite a few so this could be a razor thin margin.

Those who claim this isn't a close contest aren't looking at the numbers. Super delegates may have pledged their support already but that isn't written in stone. You can't count on those as guaranteed. As we've seen already some have switched sides. Either can easily win at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 03/29/2008
- batguano I'm a Fan of batguano 52 fans permalink

This campaign has become an excercise in futility, divisive accusations and denials....almost entirely due to the ego and selfish ambition of the Clintons as I see it.

Issues?....WHAT issues, we don't need no stinkin ISSUES!

The entire dialogue has decended to Republican/Rovian gutter politics and NOT a discussion of THE ISSUES! ..........And it IS a cause for concern. Many people....newly registered Dems...the young who have become engaged for the first time and others.....have been so enraged at the ugly level of Clinton's politics that they will NOT vote for her EVER!.......myself included. The same goes for Clinton supporters who have drunk her poison Koolaid. WTF is goin on here? If you "party elders" think we are all gonna kiss and make up, you got another think comin!

Get this charade of madness over with, NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 03/29/2008

How is it that Senator Clinton "halted the skid" in Texas, by losing to Senator Obama?

I predict that Senator McCain will offer Senator Clinton the opportunity to be his running mate, and will end up winning the race. Maybe he's already made the offer, and that's why Bill and Hillary are campaigning for McCain already.

I'm a registered Republican, who was seriously thinking about voting for Senator Obama this fall (Pennsylvania won't let me vote in the Democratic primary) but with Senator Obama's team acting Clintonesque, the bloom is off that rose.

Now I'm thinking that with both parties having serious schisms, perhaps Richardson has a chance. When I look at his website, his policies seem really appealing, and he has the executive experience as a governor that the others lack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 03/29/2008
- Dap I'm a Fan of Dap 51 fans permalink
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Hillary is divisive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 03/29/2008
- Xiexie I'm a Fan of Xiexie 5 fans permalink

Okay, Dap. I know you can offer more than "Hillary is divisive" to these boards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 03/29/2008
- Actionmac I'm a Fan of Actionmac 10 fans permalink
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it's enough, and if the people trying to defend her didn't think so, they wouldn't be trying to defend her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 03/29/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Petty minds assign blame without clear evidence.

The race is divisive. Apparently, there is a real division within the party.

Now, in my opinion, good minds look at that evidence and think, "How can we address this?"

It's not about personality, per se. Obama is obviously off the pedestal. Nobody is jumping onto the bandwagon of balloons and "yes we can" at this point.

So.......what really are the differences here? What's bugging Hillary supporters the MOST? What's bugging Obama supporters the MOST?

Let's start some real talk about the real separation. No more silly solutions. They aren't going to be on a joint ticket. But what really is the push-away factors going on here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 03/29/2008
- boombox I'm a Fan of boombox 8 fans permalink

Seems to me we've seen you assign some blame without clear evidence on, oh, maybe a few dozen occasions!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 03/29/2008
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 68 fans permalink
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Yes, that's a very original and thoughtful post. What is divisive is the people who post here who are Hillary Haters -- to the nth degree. Those of us who are keeping an open mind are the "uniters," and sadly in short supply here. I also notice that most of the posts by Hillary supporters are much more thoughtful and intelligent that one-liners like the above post, or the ones who are rehashing all of the crap that has been thrown at Hillary for 16 years. I am willing to vote for whomever is the nomintee and am pulling for whomever is most likely to get it. Hillary has been raked over the coals and she is still standing and Obama hasn't been totally "swiftboated" yet. I have heard some of the things that are hanging out there, but until it all hits the fan we don't know what his chances are of winning. Right now Karl Rose is just sitting back laughing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 03/29/2008
- debwarot I'm a Fan of debwarot 10 fans permalink

I've seen well thought out comments, and also a lot of drivel, from supporters of both candidates, Clarabell.

You state that, "Hillary has been raked over the coals and she is still standing and Obama hasn't been totally 'swiftboated' yet". I Do you really tthink all the comments about his being Muslim, too white, too black and the endless sound bites from his former pastor haven't been much of a raking over the coals?

You go on to say, "I have heard some of the things that are hanging out there, but until it all hits the fan we don't know what his chances are of winning." As someone who claims not to be divisive, why are you listening to things 'hanging out there' in the shadows? Are you anticipating, even hoping for, some 'dirt' (either real or imagined) to be thrown at Senator Obama?

"Those of us who are keeping an open mind.........." Are you sure you have an open mind? Doesn't sound like it to me!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 03/29/2008
- boombox I'm a Fan of boombox 8 fans permalink

You've noticed that? Those of you with an open mind? In what parallel universe?

At best, one might say there's enmity on both sides. To suggest it's all from Obama supporters only reveals your very strong bias.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 03/29/2008
- Ozarks I'm a Fan of Ozarks 49 fans permalink
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There is no chance Hillary will suddenly have "soaring Clinton success" in PA, NC, Indiana, OR. Hillary tried to play up Ohio and Texas, and her media sycophants such as Time's Joe Klein, as 'soaring Clinton success". In reality Hillary's 20 point lead in Ohio dissolved to a 9 point win. She held onto a 9 point win in Ohio largely because of her Whopper on Nafta. Hillary lost Texas!!!
Hillary may win PA but she will lose NC, Indiana and Oregon. The only thing soaring will be Hillary's disparaging remarks about Obama, kudos that McCain would be a better president than Obama and her continued Whoppers about Nafta, her tax filings, her redacted White House papers, her White House telephone logs, Northern Ireland and ducking sniper fire in Bosnia .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 03/29/2008

IF, IF, IF, IF.

IF she wins in Penn. IF she wins in Indiana, IF she wins in North Carolina, then maybe Oregon too!!!

Talk about hypothetical. Ain't gonna happen. Its over, and everyone knows it. No problem if she wants to soldier on, especially if she wants to make the case for herself against McCain.

But clearly tearing down Obama is her strategy. It is more than counter productive, and destructive to her interests, and those of all the Dems hoping to reverse this dark patch of American political life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 03/29/2008

"some party insiders worry that these superdelegates may be blithely marching toward a treacherous crossroad, where they will have to choose between a deeply wounded Obama and a soaring Clinton."

A soaring Clinton? Who are these party insiders? Hillary has just had another terrible week. She didn't get revotes in Florida and Michigan, she has been shown to be a liar with the Bosnia video playing over and over, and her favorability rating is the lowest it's been in 7 years. Meanwhile, Barack seems to have survived Rev Wright and has the highest favorability rating of the 3 contenders, and he was endorsed by Bill Richardson and Bob Casey--2 people who were supposed to remain neutral. There are more and more calls for HIllary to get out of the race. She is definitely not "soaring." The fact is, it's over, and Barack will be the nominee. It may take a few weeks to get Hillary out of the race, but it's over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 03/29/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 55 fans permalink

That this is a "close" race is nothing more than Clinton disinformation being dished out to serve her purpose of faking a viable campaign. There's nothing close about it, hence, experienced Democratic big dogs like Dodd and Leahy making the case that it's time for Hillary to depart the campaign and support Obama. She can't win the nomination. Every blooming day she and Bill come out with some other outlandish way for her to capture the nomination, the last being that caucuses not be counted in the totals of delegates. It's absurd, as is her campaign. Her indecency has been on parade long enough. She needs to go away and let the Democrats proceed with winning the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 03/29/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Nonsense. She's within 1 percent of the popular vote. MOST Dems know that the delegate count system is a bit off. Sorry, but AK and Virgin Islands really aren't the same as Ohio and CA.

That's just the obvious truth.

He's got just as much of a legitimacy problem as she has, really. He's won too many red states. It's clear from exit polls that he's got a real problem in attracting the "pocket-book" Dems. He's not been able to buy the election. In Texas, he outspent her 4 to 1 and still got thumped in the primary.

Obama has a problem.

He now has compounded his problem by trying to win this through the back-door. Disenfranchising voters is soooooooooooooo Republican.

He's gotten by with slinging old Republican stuff all along, but it's starting to mount up now. People sure aren't viewing him like the "bright new penny" he originally got his mojo going on.

He's obviously a young politician who is already in deep with the political buy-out system. His earmarks paid for his wife's salary. His fundraiser paid for his house. His district paid for his own personal gains by getting a weak notification system of leaks from their nuclear power plant.
He can't seem to present a true progressive plan on much of anything. Even his closest inner group admits on TV that his Iraq withdrawal was a *wink* campaign crud.

This is a "Jimmy Carter" candidate, and even his supporters know it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 03/29/2008

*hooting*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 03/31/2008
- kristin I'm a Fan of kristin 7 fans permalink

Right, there is no indication that Hillary can win an average of 65% in the remaining states. Obama has 1441 pledged delegates, Hillary 1243 pledged delegate. Obama has plus 198.

There are 666 pledged delegates in the states still to hold primaries. if Hillary wins 65 % of those 666 that is 433 pledged delegates. Obama would have 35%, 233 pledged delegates. The 198 delegates Obama has plus 233 is 431. 433 vs 431 pledged delegates. Hillary would have to win 65 % of all the remaining votes to be 2 pledged delegates ahead. She has won by 65% or more only in Arkansas, by much less elsewhere.

For Hillary supporters to be convinced she cannot win, Senator Chris Dodd has the sensible compromise between “Hillary drop out now” and “let all states vote in the primary before a decision’s made no matter how obvious it already is that statistically one candidate has already won”. Senator Dodd says let’s see how PA (4/ 22) and North Carolina (5/06) and Indiana (5/06) votes go (Total 345 delegates in the three states.) Then the outcome will be very obvious. After May 6th there will be only 202 pledged delegates left to vote out of a total of 3253 pledged delegates. That is about 06.2 %. And May 6th is an early enough date for the Democratic primary winner to start concentrating on a campaign against McCain, who is being given a complete pass by the MSM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 03/29/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

That's Obamamath. We don't play by your rules. Or by Pelosi's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:05 PM on 03/29/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

The problem is, people in the press irresponsibly reporting that Hillary has a chance make people like Dodd and Leahy look mean spirited and "unfair". You and I know they are just stating common sense, but the masses, egged on by irresponsible reporting like this, just don't get it.

Every one of Hillary's lies makes it to the masses unedited and unchallenged, like shes NOT a lair and WOULDN'T mislead anyone - but the truth cannot. It makes me crazy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 03/29/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

If I have posted this already, my apologies. I'm beyond frustrated with the editorial policies of this site right now.

Anyway, less than 1 Percent In popular vote MUST be taken seriously.

The polls show exactly why you MUST take that seriously. You're looking at 30% attrition rate. That's a very firm indicator that Obama has a problem. It's not just about race. It's not about 50 state strategy versus big state strategy. It's not about Wright. It's really a problem.

Now, beyond the battle of the personalities, what could we do to start to close the gap. I think it's clear that he can't "buy" the connection with a lot of core Dems. He could outspend her to the moon, and it won't work. I think it's clear that she won't win over his new Independent voter crowd. They grew up with Republican slime and believe it. They really did buy into that crud.

So......setting aside the obvious.

What is the solution?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 03/29/2008

If Obama has already locked up the nomination, he need not send his minions to ask Clinton to drop out; he need not attack her negatively; he need not be afraid of up-coming contests. The actions of the Obama campaign clearly show the race is close.

Obama knows his apparent lead is based mainly on caucuses, which represent just a minority of the voters in the states. Compare the WA and TX results to see why Obama is scared. Whenever we had both caucuses and primaries in the same state, Clinton clearly won the primaries while Obama won the caucuses.

Caucuses exclude most shift workers, single parents, elderly and frail. You have to be there at a certain time on a certain day, and often for a least an hour .

Primaries are the most accurate and democratic way to elect a nominee. Voters are given usually 12 hours in which to come by a local venue to cast a vote, or they can easily cast an absentee ballot. Primary voting captures a large percentage of voters vs. caucuses, with little room for fraud or "gaming the system." Had primaries been held in those caucus states, Obama certainly won't be ahead. Superdelegates know this.

In terms of electoral college votes the tally would be:
Clinton 267, Obama 202 excluding MI or FL!

If Obama is concerned completing the race will cause problems for Democrats in November, he should drop out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 03/29/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 55 fans permalink

Obama hasn't sent anyone to ask Hillary to quit the race. He has stated in public that she is free to continue the race for as long as she wants. He has not "attacked" her. With Hillary, any legitimate challenge is considered an attack, such as her vote to invade Iraq, her recorded support of NAFTA, her "experience" lies and misrepresentations of facts. This race for the nomination is not close. Hillary can't win the nomination. She can't get the numbers. It's over and everyone knows it. The Clintons, however, live in an alternate reality where lies are truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 03/29/2008

I'm certainly worried. That's why when ever Dean or the DNC ask me for money I write or email back "I'll send money as soon as we have a nominee". When they see it's costing them financially then maybe they'll get some back bone. The Clinton's have made it clear they aren't going out gracefully so the DNC better rally it's troops and take them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 03/29/2008
- IslandGyal I'm a Fan of IslandGyal 50 fans permalink
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Seattlelite,
Thanks for that idea. I have written the DNC, but not how you did, as a response to donation request; that's great idea!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 03/29/2008

I ain't worried. Some Democrats are acting like the lily-livered, confrontation-averse crybabies Republicans have been taking advantage of the last 25 years. Let the candidates duke it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 03/29/2008

All Clinton cares about is winning - by any means necessary

F her

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 03/29/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Because she's looking forward to Penn?

Wierd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 03/29/2008
- gotalife I'm a Fan of gotalife 22 fans permalink

"I'll tell some of the (Barack) Obama supporters here today: Cool it," Feingold, D-Middleton, said Wednesday to a group of about 50 people at the University of Wisconsin Marathon County. "Take it a little easy."

Alienating millions of voters yet to vote backfired and was incredibly stupid.

This race has drawn millions of new voters which will help Clinton win the general.

God bless America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 03/29/2008
- Mattie I'm a Fan of Mattie 54 fans permalink

and the Obama campaign and his supporters have driven millions of supporters away and those people will never vote for him!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 03/29/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

I thought Obama won Texas, so why doesn't the press point this out. this guy makes out like Clinton is on some kind of winning streak. She won 2/4, after losing 11 straight. How does that translate to "the surging Clinton"?

Does this guy write the press releases for the republicans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 03/29/2008

Sniper fire is destroying the shooter and the intended victim, as well as the Democratic Party.

Shock and awe will not work.
We need to end the self-bombing of the party. SD's come to the rescue now. YES, YOU CAN end this madness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 03/29/2008
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