Democrats Fear Tight Obama-Clinton Finish Could Damage Party's Chances

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CHARLES BABINGTON | March 29, 2008 03:20 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks during a town hall meeting at Hempfield Area High School in Greensburg, Pa., Friday, March 28, 2008.(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a nightmarish end, which could wreck a promising election year.

The chief worry is that Clinton may carry her recent winning streak into Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina and other states, leaving her with unquestioned momentum but fewer pledged delegates than Obama. Party leaders then would face a wrenching choice: Steer the nomination to a fading Obama, even as signs suggested Clinton could be the stronger candidate in November; or go with the surging Clinton and risk infuriating Obama's supporters, especially blacks, the Democratic Party's most loyal base.

Some anxious Democrats want party elders to step in now to generate more "superdelegate" support for Obama, effectively choking off Clinton's hopes before she can bolster them further. But many say that is unlikely, and they pray the final 10 contests will make the ultimate choice fairly obvious, not excruciating.

Barring a complete meltdown by Obama, Clinton has almost no chance of surpassing his number of pledged delegates, even if she scores upset wins in states such as Oregon, which votes May 20. But such victories would encourage her to keep criticizing Obama _ her only hope for the nomination _ and thus heighten doubts about Obama's ability to defeat Republican Sen. John McCain in the fall.

That scenario troubles many Democrats, especially those who feel Obama's nomination is all but inevitable.

"This is going to give Republicans a chance to try to destroy everything we've been trying to work for for eight years," said Ken Foxworth, a Democratic National Committee member from Minnesota and superdelegate who backs Obama.

Superdelegates are party officials, including members of Congress, who can back any candidate they wish. With neither Obama nor Clinton able to secure the nomination with the pledged delegates they win in primaries and caucuses, the superdelegates ultimately will decide the outcome.

Many undeclared superdelegates express confidence that all will be well. Democratic voters will unite in the fall, they say, and the injuries that Obama and Clinton inflict on each other this spring will heal.

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Privately, however, some party insiders worry that these superdelegates may be blithely marching toward a treacherous crossroad, where they will have to choose between a deeply wounded Obama and a soaring Clinton whose success was built on tearing down the party's front-runner in terms of delegates.

A senior Democratic Senate aide, who would speak only on background because most members of Congress bar their staff members from being quoted by name, called it a nightmare that's getting worse.

The Democrats' optimism of February has been replaced by fear, this aide said, referring to the widely held view last month that Obama was coasting to the nomination after winning 11 straight contests. Clinton halted the skid in Texas and Ohio on March 4 and is favored to win the Pennsylvania primary on April 22.

If the New York senator also tops Obama in Indiana and North Carolina on May 6, West Virginia a week later, and Kentucky and/or Oregon on May 20, her supporters will argue that the dynamic has sharply changed in ways party leaders cannot ignore. Obama is no longer the sure-footed campaigner who piled up wins and delegates in February, they will say, and the superdelegates' obligation to the party is to nominate the sprinting Clinton, even if it angers Obama backers.

Of course, Obama could practically extinguish Clinton's final hopes by winning one or more of those states. Many Democrats believe he will, suggesting Clinton's continued campaign is a hopeless, albeit potentially harmful, endeavor.

Obama's nomination is "a foregone conclusion," Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., told National Journal. Dodd endorsed Obama after trying for the nomination himself.

He's ahead of Clinton in delegates, popular votes, states won and fundraising. Obama seems nearly certain to finish the primary season far ahead of Clinton financially. At the end of February his campaign had $30 million on hand, while Clinton's had only $3 million more in cash than in debts.

Some Obama supporters question Clinton's motives: They suggest she is counting on a stunning gaffe or shocking revelation to cripple Obama and hand her the nomination. Others float a more sinister possibility, which has found its way into mainstream news accounts: Clinton hopes to damage Obama so severely that he loses to McCain this fall, clearing her path to challenge McCain in 2012, when he will be 75.

Clinton scoffs at such suggestions, and calls on voters to support whomever is the Democratic nominee in November.

Whatever her motives, many Democrats fear that Clinton's continued criticisms can only hurt the man they see as their all-but-certain nominee. They point to a recent Gallup poll, in which 28 percent of Clinton's Democratic supporters said they would vote for McCain if Obama is the party's nominee. Nineteen percent of Obama's supporters said they would vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nod.

Faced with such disturbing trends, some Democrats want party elders either to persuade Clinton to drop out, or to orchestrate enough superdelegate endorsements of Obama to make her defeat inevitable. But high-profile Democrats, including former president Jimmy Carter, former vice president Al Gore, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, have refrained from such moves so far.

"My job is to make sure the person who loses feels like they have been treated fairly so that their supporters will support the winner," Dean told The Associated Press.

Indeed, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi drew objections from Clinton backers when she approached the issue by saying she shared Obama's view that superdelegates should be guided by the vote for pledged delegates.

This week, one of Obama's prominent supporters, Sen. Patrick Leahy took the next step. The Vermont Democrat who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee said Clinton can't win enough delegates and should drop out and support Obama.

Ferrel Guillory, director of the Program on Southern Politics, Media, and Public Life at the University of North Carolina, said it's probably asking too much of Dean and others to step in. In an era of sharply contested primaries and largely meaningless nominating conventions, he said "we don't have any power brokers any more" who could somehow negotiate a resolution.

Pat Waak, chairwoman of the Colorado Democratic Party, said the worriers should relax.

"I actually think it's good for the party to get through this process," she said. "It gives everybody a chance to be part of it," she said, noting that Democratic voter registration is soaring in many states.

In Pennsylvania, Democrats have registered a staggering 161,000 new voters since last fall, pushing their numbers over 4 million for the first time. In Oregon, nearly 10,000 voters have refiled as Democrats in the last seven weeks.

Waak added, however: "The concern I have is the kind of level of attack that has come up" between Obama and Clinton. "I don't think that is good for the party."

Superdelegates will have to choose this summer, Waak said, and it will be easy if Obama can significantly increase his lead in delegates, popular votes and states won. On the other hand, she said, "the narrower the margin and the less conclusive it is, the harder it becomes."

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Associated Press Writer Nedra Pickler contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a night...
WASHINGTON — For all their delight in soaring voter registration and strong poll numbers, some Democrats fear the contest between Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton might have a night...
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- rinpochet I'm a Fan of rinpochet 49 fans permalink

If it goes all the way to the convention, we will have President McCain. Very simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 03/29/2008
- Dap I'm a Fan of Dap 51 fans permalink
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That's the Clinton plan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 03/29/2008
- Mattie I'm a Fan of Mattie 52 fans permalink

last I heard Obama didn't have enough delegates either. If something has changed, all the major news stations have missed it. Did he reach the number needed, just wondering. If not she has every right to stay in. This is still America, we do get to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 03/29/2008
- tililek I'm a Fan of tililek 4 fans permalink

If it goes to a convention Americans will finally have an opportunity to see real democracy in action. You, and our 'leaders' have a short attention span, and are to nervous to trust what they regard as their 'followers'. By the time the conventions are over (or sooner) people will forget the long road to a selection.

I'm willing to bet that more than 90% of the population has already forgotten who vied with McCain for the Republican nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 03/29/2008

Thats why Obama should drop out NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 03/29/2008
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Let's end this May 7th, OR better yet, let's end this now.

Our supers need to decide if the DLC will capture our

party, just like the neocons did with the Republicans.

Populism is the best cure for the cancer of corporatism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 03/29/2008

The delegates in Florida and Michigan cannot stay disenfranchised, no matter how much Obama wishes to stifle their votes.

What an ironic twist....the first serious African-American candidate for President, who knows the history of black votes being suppressed in the South, is trying to do the same.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 03/29/2008
- IslandGyal I'm a Fan of IslandGyal 50 fans permalink
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I want Hillary to drop out because, instead of campaigning on the issues, she's personally attacking Barack, unfairly, that is. She accused him of lying about being a "Professor". She stated that she and Mc Cain have passed the arbitrary Commander-in-Chief test. She brought back the Rev. Wright issue, which Barack has managed to control, to distract from her lies. She's allowing Bill Clinton to imply that she and Mc Cain is 'two people who love their country', thus Barack doesn't. She's stoking racial animosity, allowing her demographic to think that she's 'has to reason to think that Barack is a Muslim' - 'as far as she knows'. She's now perpetuating that sentiment that Barack is "disenfranchising' the voters of FL & MI. She's also starting to sow the seeds of doubts about his nomination being 'legitimate' should it not be wrestled away from him by her super delegates. She's continually moving the goal post and changing the rules, in the middle of the game. That's the reason I want Clinton to drop out (suspend the campaign until the information she's soooooooooooo sure is going to come out about Barack surfaces) the race, is so that she stops hurting Barack personally, rather than campaigning on the issues. I would have voted for Clinton IF she had the most pledged delegates, popular vote and most states won, or any combination of both. Right now she doesn't have ANY of those, but she continues to attack Barack personally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 03/29/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

One problem. It's been Obama who has been on the personal attack since Texas, sinking so low as to make one talking point: "She's too unethical to be president."

So if it truly offends you when politicians pull this, then you need to contact Obama and ask that he stop the unfair practice of attacking on a personal level.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 03/29/2008

At lease he didn't say...SHE TOLD A BALD FACED LIE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC...which she did

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 03/29/2008
- nohat I'm a Fan of nohat 7 fans permalink

"Others float a more sinister possibility, which has found its way into mainstream news accounts: Clinton hopes to damage Obama so severely that he loses to McCain this fall, clearing her path to challenge McCain in 2012, when he will be 75."

This really IS sinister, and quite a stretch. For a democrat to either hope for, or be instrumental in, bringing down another democrat is bad enough. But for that democrat to either hope for, or be instrumental in, the opposition beating that other democrat, so that the opposition takes power, is evil. Grounds for being tossed out of the party---forever. If Hillary is that evil...I wonder people can even talk about this hypothesis so blandly. I think it was Cenk something or other who floated this idea a couple of days ago. It makes me sick just thinking about it. It wears out the meaning of cyncical. It's grotesque.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 03/29/2008

You must have not been watching the Clintons for the last 20 years.

Who else would send their money goons to the DCCC through the speaker threatening to cut off funding if she doesn't change her tune.

Give me a break, the Clintons have "kneecapped" more opponents than John Gotti.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 03/29/2008
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Was there a song titled, "It Ain't Easy"? well- he has to really show big numbers in PA and NC-- really big wins- for that July 1st pronouncement--

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 03/29/2008

Wait a minute...the Democratic party 'thinks' this may hurt their chances of winning? It already is! And, Bill Clinton all but endorsing McCain makes me want to throw up! They say to calm down the tone but it's primarily being driven by the Clinton campaign. What is Obama supposed to do...not defend himself? He has had nothing but praise for Clinton and what do they do? They say he isn't competent to be Commander in Chief, offer him the VP position when they are behind and Obama is in the frontrunner position (talk about a slap in the face) and now Bill Clinton is on the campaign trail talking about McCain's virtues. I think it is deplorable. And, now we find out that a majority of what Hillary has been telling the American people are nothing but lies. Word is Bill is trying to bully TX from releasing who REALLY won the most delegates in Texas and is trying to persuade them to change and is bullying the Superdelegates who have not cast their vote that if they do vote for Obama then all hell will break lose from the Clinton campaign. I suggest if you want the tone to go down to ducktape Bill Clinton's big mouth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 03/29/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Duke - you said: "He has had nothing but praise for Clinton and what do they do?" That is so blatantly false that it hardly seems possible that you can believe it. Both candidates are dishing the dirt. It's a wild show. But you need to be able to see it for what it is - a Democratic primary. There is nothing all that unusual about it. Some of your contentions are the very kinds of things that cause supporters to go at each other like this. Suggesting the we tape Clinton's mouth says more about you than it does about him. The whole point of voting is to preserve antiquated little traditions like freedom of speech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 03/29/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

Historically any political party Dem or Republican that goes into the convention fighting, comes out loosing. Knowing this, how could the Democrats sit by and watch the Clintons destroy such a promising year.

Bill Clinton under a cloud and was investigated by Ken Starr, the Dems forgave him.

Bill Clinton lost the congress, which the Dems had controlled for 40 years, the Dems forgave him.

Bill Clinton was impeached and saw the party go down the drain, the Dems forgave him.

Bill Clinton now spends his time campaigning for Hillary, a hopeless case and John McCain a Republican. Will the Dems now forgive Bill Clinton or will they run him off.

Bill Clinton has never done anything for the Democratic party, but take, take, take. But for the fact that Bill Clinton has that 'Friends of Bill" club where he exercises such influence with business and foreign leaders, they would long have kicked him to the curb. It is the membership to this club that most Democratic politicians want to hold onto, they fear being kicked out and loosing access to all that influence.

What Bill Clinton most fear is an Obama presidency where he would have no influence because of the bitterness of this campaign, that is why he is progressing this 'Scorched Earth Policy', will it work. My answer is only if the leaders of the Democratic party sit idly by and allow him to continue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 03/29/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

I'm all for Hilary remaining in the race but in my opinion if wins PA in single digits she has no choice but to get out of the race. If she choses to continue then its about her personal ambition. In which case I think superdelegates need to have the guts to and put an end to this. Quite frankly since she set the goal post at winning Texas and Ohio and she split texas with obama and only one Ohio by 8 points it should have been a clue that maybe she needs to start thinking about getting out. See supporters of Clinton make the arugment well they are other states that deserve to win that should be given a chance to vote. It seems to me that the burden of proof is on her. She NEEDS to win convincingly and she has yet to do so after he won 10 in a row. Since Vermont and Rhode Island cancel out each other she won Ohio by 8 points thats not exaclty a blow out victory. But she has managed to redefine the goal post to make PA the important state. So what if she wins PA by 8 points or less. Is she going to redefine and make Indiana the goal post. These are questions that should be asked of her. How does she plan on doing this with narrow wins.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 03/29/2008

Winning streak, what winning streak? Last time I checked she had only won Ohio and Rhode Island since Super Tuesday!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 03/29/2008
- Dem02020 I'm a Fan of Dem02020 13 fans permalink
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...in the same manner as a tight race between the Red Sox and the Yankees, damages the chances of whoever emerges on top, of winning the World Series.

It's the same logic, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 03/29/2008
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 189 fans permalink

Clinton - the Tanya Harding of politics? She will win the battle to lose the war. I tried to support John Edwards who foresaw the economic crash but too many folks were worried about gender or race. Kucinich had the best platform but what about the rights on height-disadvantaged persons? This is the problem with Americans. They always vote in some compromising sugar-coated fascists who triangulate with the powers that rip off the working classes. There will only be a small middle class of techies - Joe Sixpacks with half a brain who think that they are smart. The Asperger types that fool around with computers. They will be outsourced by machines.

There are two business/war parties - Democrats and Republicans. Real change will only come when there is either a People's candidate and a neo-fascist candidate such as McCain. Why be in the middle and slowly lose the tug-of-war, voting yourself into war and out of health insurance - right into the hands of the bankers. I don't see any difference between Clinton and Obama. There is a small difference between them and McCain, not enough though. The way Clinton is conducting her campaign, I'd think that she is trying to get McCain elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 03/29/2008
- SLone08 I'm a Fan of SLone08 5 fans permalink

Ok, Hillary will probably win PA. The question is by how much? Right now she is beating Obama by about 12% according to most polls. If she wins by any less than 10%, it won't do much for her in terms of momentum.

However, if she continues to run a negative campaign, don't be surprised if more party elders speak up and this will only hurt what little chance she has of remaining competetive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 03/29/2008
- esgabel I'm a Fan of esgabel 31 fans permalink
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OK Candidates, I would like your promise; that if we go all the way to the convention, and not push for a brolered ending now, that at the convention you will do everything in your power, if you are the loser, to bring your followers to vote for your opponent.. you will fight as hard as you are now for our party to win the election. In fact, I would like you to announce this to your followers now. Can we have your support in ending this war in Iraq and its drain on our economy , strengthening our position in the world, strengthening our security, strengthening our dollar, defining what is a US business,taxing non US businesses, protecting and growing US jobs, strengthening the balance of payments, defining most favored nation status, finding a solution to ur healthcare problems and working onglobal warming and our depencence on fossil fuels.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 03/29/2008
- neocon43 I'm a Fan of neocon43 29 fans permalink

No I cannot give you those requests.Operation chaos continues!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 03/29/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

It won't work, it never has worked. If a party goes into the convention with animosity, it 100% comes out a with a loosing candidate, true for both Dem and Republicans. The last time this happened was when Ronald Reagan destroyed Jerry Ford's chances for his own selfish end, he could not wait 8 years to run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 03/29/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Contentious conventions are not necessarily a bad thing. Sometime they account for upheavals within a party that represent a drastic change - often for the best. The Vietnam War triggered the most contentious convention in modern history in 1968. And it changed the party and the country for good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 03/29/2008
- BoulderSue I'm a Fan of BoulderSue 8 fans permalink

At the first Obama meeting I attended, this was the first thing we were asked to do: do not speak ill of other Dems or their supporters (this was long before we were down to two candidates) and back wholeheartedly the eventual nominee, whomever it should be. I have written letters to the remaining campaigns almost daily pleading for a cease-fire. I have also written to "super delegates" and other party leaders pleading that they try to broker a cease-fire without urging them to support either candidate. Howard Dean had a pledge on-line some time back asking Dems to sign a pledge to support the eventual nominee and I signed it. I will keep my word. I will not refuse to vote or vote for McCain. I will not cut off my nose to spite my face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 03/29/2008

Don't worry, it won't be close, it isn't close.

But yes, Hillary not willing to be a graceful loser, and her supporters' taking it out on Obama will probably hurt the party.

I was thinking about it the other day, and I don't think that when she finally does withdraw she will give a speech supporting Obama, and calling on her supporters to put the past behind them and defeat McCain. She never congratulates Obama on his wins, she repeatedly trashes on Obama and endorses McCain, she is jealous and angry and spiteful, I just can't imagine her rising above it all and calling on her supporters to support Obama.

Can you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 03/29/2008
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