Letter From A Soldier: Answers You Won't Want To Hear

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First Posted: 04- 1-08 01:25 PM   |   Updated: 04- 9-08 05:12 AM

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In The Bonfire of the Vanities Tom Wolfe described a New York City awash in what could be called "sectarian" tension. The city trooped along in its day-to-day, glossy existence, seemingly unaware of the racial divisions and class separations that prevailed, and the white-hot caldera they fueled below the city's fault lines. In the midst of the erupting tensions, one of Wolfe's characters (a black preacher, actually, how timely!) introduced a concept that has resurfaced in my memory from the moment it seemed clear that we were bent on a course to depose Saddam Hussein and assume responsibility for the future of Iraq.

That concept? Steam control. The idea being that Gotham was a boiler, perpetually on the edge of explosion, that was only kept intact through a thousand tiny adjustments. This was the arduous, unappealing work of managing this particular polis -- backroom promises, compromises, and buy-offs helped to reduce the pressure and keep the peace, and it did so at the expense of higher-minded principles. The need for "steam control" overrode the need for justice, or truth, or the curing of society's ills. Instead of solving the root of the tension, the tensions were leveraged against one another until a stalemate was achieved.

What happens when you apply the same ideas Wolfe ascribed to New York City in a place where the tensions are even deeper, the divisions more entrenched, everyone is armed to the teeth, and there is no tradition of the sort of democratic institutions that could maintain order in the wake of a blooming power vacuum?

You get Iraq, circa 2008. And you have American soldiers managing the valves on a boiler that's constantly on the verge of eruption.

The email of one such soldier made its way to the blog of Spencer Ackerman today, and every single one of his keen insights are worthy of digestion. There's one in particular I find worthy of highlighting. After summarizing what he sees as the only plausible way forward -- "We need to ask 'if we left tomorrow, what would happen in Iraq?' and from there, we need to determine which of those anticipated results are unacceptable to us. Then we must aim our efforts on making sure those unacceptable results do not occur" -- he reaches this conclusion (emphasis mine):

When I look at the problem that way, it becomes almost impossible to find a purpose in what we do. Regardless of what we do, the Shia are going to take control. They have completely infiltrated all the security forces. The only kind of leader who could keep them in check was a tyrant like Saddam. And when the Shia take control, as soon as we leave, they are going to be as brutal as they like against the Sunni and there will be little we can do about it. That is what will happen whether we leave tomorrow or in ten years.

When it comes to whether or not deposing Hussein was for good or ill, a discouraging word is seldom heard. This is mainly because critics are often shamed with the admonishment: "Surely you must admit that the world is better off without Saddam Hussein!" In the strict terms of a game of moral checkers, one is hard pressed to admit otherwise. And if it turns out that our efforts in Iraq manage to kill and harm Iraqis at a slower rate than Hussein killed and harmed Iraqis, we might be able to one day back up our moral certainty with statistics.

Still, I hardly think it's out of bounds to appreciate just how bad ol' Saddam had it during the last years of his rule. It cannot be surprising to hear this soldier note Saddam's ability to keep Iraq "in check" -- after all, it's men and women like him who have essentially assumed Hussein's daily tasks of "steam control." Our troops handle Iraq's valves in an endless process of managing sectarian tensions, while working to keep regional rivals from asserting their claim over Iraq's sovereignty. Our soldiers have a keen view of how hard it was for Saddam to keep the threats, both within (the Shia and Kurds) and without (al Qaeda and Iran) at bay. And they have had to manage the fractured state without indulging in Hussein's brand of unrelenting brutality (though, sadly, there have not been a complete absence of incidents of same).

And "steam control" is about the only thing we are achieving in Iraq. This was never more evident than the past week, where Muqtada al Sadr rather effortlessly demonstrated how much more influence he has over the state of play than we do. I'll not soon forget those chants -- "Muqtada! Muqtada! Muqtada!" -- that preceded Hussein's hanging. Any illusion that the United States had control of Iraq should have ended right then and there. It's pretty clear that despite all the good press the "Surge" gets at home, the relative peace Iraq has lately enjoyed has been achieved at the whim of al Sadr and his loyalists, to say nothing of Iran, whose fingerprints are ubiquitous as well.

Meanwhile, we're consigned to the boiler room, frantically attempting to stave off the inevitable -- something John McCain says we could be doing for the next American century. Senator McCain claims that he is a break from the flawed strategy of the Bush administration. But the Iraq miasma is not the result of a flawed strategy. It is the result of a flawed concept to begin with, and the notion that "better" strategy is going to remove the mistakes at the root are delusional. This soldier's assessment of the role Saddam Hussein played in the great scheme of things is central to exposing one of the Iraq War's great flaws: having assuming the responsibility of "steam control," we can see just how badly Hussein was hogtied and hamstrung in maintaining his own power, and how little capability he had where posing an imminent threat to the United States is concerned.

I don't think this metaphor is a bad one. "Things are heating up," the email reads. "We're facing a high risk with very little potential payoff." Somewhere in Hell, Saddam Hussein's ears are ringing.

In The Bonfire of the Vanities Tom Wolfe described a New York City awash in what could be called "sectarian" tension. The city trooped along in its day-to-day, glossy existence, seemingly unaware of ...
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what amazes me most, at this point in this disaster is how many people either are truly surprized by the facts on the ground in iraq or are just feigning surprise so as to not appear complicit in what has been done by this administration.

I am no military historian or political analyst, but, come on,... anyone with half a functioning brain could see where this was going to end up.

I don't spend hours reading the news but even I garnered enough info prior to the invasion to see what a mistake and what a lie it was.
I just can't believe that I was smarter than all the rest.

somebody just isn't coming clean as to their true assessment of the pre-war dialogues and will not now admit that they went along out of fear to go against the cheney (McCarthy)­propoganda machine

at least if you all came forward and admitted that cheney scared the bejeezus out of you for fear of being called a "traitor" we could get his dirty unpatriotic tactics out in theopen andhold this administration responsible for EVERYTHING they have done in 7+ years.

if you didn't have the courage to go against them when they were in power, please muster enough now to help us finally put them away for good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 04/01/2008
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AMEN.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 04/01/2008
- dshwa I'm a Fan of dshwa 2 fans permalink

Ditto.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 04/01/2008
- 23000Days I'm a Fan of 23000Days 93 fans permalink
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My pick for best comment!
There are many who feel just as you do.

It was all so damned obvious all along, if one had cared to look,or to admit what was right if front of their gullible noses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 04/01/2008
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Nice enough comment, but, tell me, where have you been, whimsical? Your sentiments have been posted here ad infintum for, oh, say YEARS in one form or another. It's nice that you and so many new to this site finally see the light, but, sorry, been there, done that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 04/02/2008

thank you jinjinpinti, at least I don't feel like such a "freak" now.

I was not "into" the net before this time in my life, so plese forgive me my "catch-up" time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 04/02/2008

I am still trying to figure out which 'Freedoms' of ours were threatened by Saddam Huessein. Was he going to sail his Navy here and take our guns away? Was he going to fly his Airforce here and shut down our houses of worship? Was he going to march his Army here and shut down our newspapers?

Yep, our military is supposed to defend our Freedoms, but exactly which of these freedoms did Saddam Huessein say he would take away, and how would he do it.

BTW, there is no way in hell I am giving up beer, bourbon, and bikinis. OK, Saddam liked thise freedoms (small f), too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 04/01/2008
- nippersdad I'm a Fan of nippersdad 29 fans permalink

Even worse is the constant litany of the terrorists are coming, the terrorists are coming! Honestly, not to in any way devalue the losses incurred on 9/11, but this vision of swarms of beturbaned people swimming the Atlantic with knives in their teeth, hell bent on stuffing the neighborhood women into burkhas and converting the born agains is just ludicrous. I am never so ashamed of my fellow countrymen as when they are bidden to hide under their beds and pee on themselves whenever George has something he wants to divert attention from. What happened to us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 04/01/2008
- dshwa I'm a Fan of dshwa 2 fans permalink

If anything, our invasion of Iraq should prove how worthless it is to try and invade a country and enforce your values on them. Terrorists are not going to turn us into part of the Wahabi movement, because in the billion to one chance they could invade and conquer us millitarily, we'd fight back the same way the Iraqis have fought us. Iraq has a population of 26 million and has stalemated the most technologically advanced army in the world despite the fact that there's 3 big factions composed of several smaller factions who all can't stand eachother. And somehow the terrorists are going to pacify a country with a little over 300 million people? Anybody who thinks that is looney.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 PM on 04/01/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

Some little known neocon facts

(1) Saddam was courting both Britney and Paris in an insidious attempt to undermine our very way of life. Imagine the media access and adulation a love child of Saddam and Britney would have.
Now (gulp) imagine two. And here's the shocker, he was making real progress with both of them.

(2) Saddam had reached a tentative pact with the Romulans. And if anyone hates our freedoms, it is the Romulans. Luckily Pan's wise intervention stopped this from going through. Sadly though not before the Romulans gave Saddam a cloaking device - ever wonder why we didn't find the WMDs.

(3) During their meeting in Prague to plan 911, Saddam and Usama's working partnership blossomed into something more. Which they solemnized in a civil union - possible in those godless countries of Europe. Shortly thereafter as illegal aliens they slipped across our border to pick lettuce in California for their honeymoon. Usama (or was it Saddam?) even had an abortion using your tax dollars! Somewhere along the way I believe they may even have burned our flag. Probably more than once.

Now do you finally understand why we had to invade?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 04/02/2008
- Jey I'm a Fan of Jey 7 fans permalink

IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY AND ROVE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 04/01/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

Why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 04/01/2008

Because they are war profiteers and because they suck - "bigtime"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 04/01/2008
- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 268 fans permalink
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Well, outside of the fact that Rove never held an office from which he could be impeached ... the reasoning for impeaching Bush and Cheney for this particular crime of their Administration could be as follows ...


Willfully and with complete disregard for the obligations of office and the trust placed in them by the American People did utilize the treasure and military assets of the United States to engage in a commercial act of piracy against the sovereign nation of Iraq, which posed neither threat nor acted as aggressor against the United States of America and its people.


Something like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 04/01/2008

Because they are evil incarnate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 04/02/2008
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Great analysis by this officer! It shows just how complex the problem is. Some would say, "Well, yeah, especially now since we went in and f&cked everything up." But the truth is, our presence there has little effect on the underlying hatreds going back centuries. Forget American invaders, the Shia extremists believe the Sunnis to be infidels -- no better than us -- deserving of death. And vice versa. The only security one can have in Iraq is at the point of a gun. This was made all too clear as Maliki failed to secure Basra. It took representatives of a government faction which had its own militia to deflate the situation. And al Sadr only made his decision after Mullahs in Iran and Iraq weighed in. The government of America's choice has no militia of its own, just a ragtag group of poorly trained people without enough popular support to maintain order. Hell, many of them deserted last week and joined the other side!

In fairness, it's pointless now to jump on Bush's reasons for going in. We're in, and getting out should now be our objective. The officer writes that we should direct our efforts at stopping the most undesirable outcomes. But what outcome isn't undesirable? As he writes, it's going to blow up into sectarian violence no matter what. The Shia will take control, now or in 10 years. And I don't think the American people want responsibility for 100 years of "steam control."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 04/01/2008
- jadez I'm a Fan of jadez 3 fans permalink

its not pointless to "jump" on bush for his reasons for going in, because its the mindset that needs to be rebuked. those same reasons will show up again next time some crazy wants to fabricate another war...does the name mccain and war with iran ring a bell??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 04/01/2008

Of course it's nt pointless to jump on bush's reasons,

all of what he and cheney have done need to be exorcized byway of impeachment hearings that will forever illustrate just how wrong things can get when on banch of government is left "unchecked"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 04/01/2008
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Impeachment will never happen, no matter what. Once Bush and Cheney leave, it would be political masturbation, nothing else. Having them fade away quietly and completely would be the best we can hope for. We can also imagine a slow painful death in obscurity a la Reagan, but that would be crass and, well, oddly satisfying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 04/02/2008
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Now back into the truth. At one time, even the Dick Cheney knew that Iraq had to be ruled with an iron fist - and stated as much when asked as Secretary of Defense why we were not going to go into Iraq and take Saddam out after the Gulf War. There were larger fish flopping about in the pan at the time and coalition agreements to honor - but Cheney understood back then - and this was into a third term with a GOP in the White House spending big dinero on defense.

Turns out later Cheney was hoodwinked - and the dominoes then began to fall as Cheney is a bit like the Pope - he is infallible once he has issued his Bull. Without regard to who was in the exiled community and what they said and how much power they could muster - Iraq is what it is - and has been for centuries. Add to that the opportunity handed to the administration after September 11 and we have what we see today.

There were many who saw this - but not enough to stem the tide of fear that prevails to this day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 04/01/2008
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"he is infallible once he has issued his Bull.." Well put. What makes you think Cheney was hoodwinked? It seems that he's the one who did the hoodwinking. Of course, we'll only know for sure after the impeachment hearings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 04/01/2008

Nice thought, but the Democrats are way too wimpy to try impeachment. They don't have the stomach for it. They are not prepared to play the political game with the same "win at all costs" approach that the republicans bring to it. Why, I don't know. Maybe they're just nicer people; ..........­..... nah, that can't be it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 04/01/2008
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 229 fans permalink
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The more Bush and Cheney run the war the more Saddam looks like a genius. Brutal, cruel, yes but not incompetent. We're ruled by midgets and we have John McInsane and Joe Loserman who are dying to keep the totally inept war strategy going. What we'll find out in November is if the American people are willing to watch this fiasco continue while their economy tanks all because they don't like the words of some black preacher and would never vote for a mixed race intelligent and competent leader whom the media and the Clintons have pigeon holed as a 'black' man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 04/01/2008
- Robert59 I'm a Fan of Robert59 10 fans permalink

Let's not paint the Shiites as some sort of boogeymen. We've bent over backwards to kiss the ass of the Sunnis who committed 95 percent of the violence against coaliton forces. They are the insurgency we talk about. They aren't pacified, just on our payroll until their patience wears thin.

Who has paid for Sunni appeasement? Shiites and Kurds with bombs, bombs, bombs (suicide attacks by individuals on foot or in vehicles, roadside ambushes, ethnic cleansing of their own in provinces like Diyala, and of course IEDs).

We had a choice in Iraq. Beat the Sunnis into submission, ally ourselves with the majority Shiites and Kurds or beat the Shiites into submission, put the Sunnis back in charge, and let the oppression by the minority continue.

We chose democracy. Shiites won. Kurds won. Sunni Arabs lost.

The reason for Sadr causing problems. He's unhappy being marginalized (his bloc is the largest in the parliament) and he's tired of the Americans being in his country. Why is he tired? Because with us there the all out civil war can't occur. Sunni terror against Shiites continues and Shiites have had enough.

The only part the junior officer really got right is it's up to Iraqis to decide their nation's future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:07 PM on 04/01/2008
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Overly simplistic. There were several insurgencies, some by Sunni groups, some by Shia. We couldn't beat the Sunni so we bribed them into not blowing us up. The Shia insurgency, the largest of which is al Sadr's, declared a truce a year ago, not because of the surge, but because the Brittish abandoning Basra and retreated to their base by the airport, which they almost never leave. Al Sadr stopped fighting us in order to try and expand his power block out of Bagdad and into Basra, which he did. Al Maliki panicked when he realized that al Sadr controlling Basra would severely weaken him politically in October's elections, and might get him ousted from the presidency. So he sent the military to Basra. And started losing badly. We panicked when we realized that if the army lost al Sadr might get enough influence to gain control of the parliment and possibly the presidency, thus giving al Sadr control of the Iraqi army. So we started helping out, only we couldn't oust the Medhi army either. Al Sadr declared a truce (for now) becuase he didn't need to fight anymore. Stop and consider the possiblilties for a moment. Al Sadr proved that he's the top dog in Basra, and that the Iraqi army can't beat him even with our help. Politically, his block is openly opposed to the occupation, as is 90% of the country. It's likely that they'll sweep to a huge victory in October.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 04/02/2008
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The 'insurgency' is not several, but one, Sunni. The factions have different names and end states, but the commonality is they want to take down the Shiites.

We didn't defeat the Sunnis, but it wasn't because we lacked the ability to do so, but the political will. Level a Sunni city in Anbar every few days, set up an embargo preventing the passage of anything into Anbar and the Sunnis would be singing a very different tune.
They are defiant because they never felt defeated. Psychologically they have nothing in common with the Germans or Japanese in WW2 who knew they had been whipped.

Ditto for the Medhi Army. We blew a golden opportunity in Najaf letting Sadr live to fight another day, then another day, and another day.

If the Sunnis had been thoroughly ground down, the Shiites would have had no need to rely on their own militias for protection. Sadr might still be politically powerful, but nowhere near as powerful as he is now.

Our nation has forgotten that when it comes to war the terms to end it need to be unconditional.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 AM on 04/02/2008

The sunni consider the shia infidels , not true muslems . This didn't erupt under Sadam because he enforced a secular government and society not allowing religous fundamentalism period . What will happen is that the shia will use islamic fundamentalism to drive the sunni out and claim the resources and power, its really quite simple . the country will revert to religious tribalism enforced by clerics . This was the method used by mohammad and still used today in islamist countries . The old adage about trying to get the toothpaste back in the tube works here . We've clumsley and stupidly unleashed something we now cannot control . What ever comes of it , it will leave Iraq and us worse off than when we blundered in .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 04/01/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

Sorry, I must reply everytime I see this post. An Infadel is a non-Muslim. Shi'ites and Sunnis simply disagree on the sucsessor of Mohammed. They do NOT hate each other. This is ancient history. Please let a Muslim correct the record.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 04/01/2008

Let me correct you, Sunnis consider Shias heretics, and vice versa. Christian and Jews are allowed to live, if we pay the tax, not the heretics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 04/01/2008
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As John Kerry said before the Senate, "who will be the last soldier to die in Iraq, for a lost cause", or something to that effect. Back in the 60's and 70's we marched, wrote letters, etc., it wasn't until the soldiers themselves began speaking out that the public was listened to. The pentagon cannot control all of them, but then of course in Vietnam we weren't picking up citizens off the streets in our country and others and hauling them off to some black hole to be tortured all with the blessing of the Prez.
It's sad to think we've come full circle again, and so here we are, another WAR based on lies by the Neocons. Funny, Cheney was right in the middle of that WAR too. Apparently it's true that if you don't learn from history your doomed to repeat it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:48 PM on 04/01/2008

"it wasn't until the soldiers themselves began speaking out that the public was listened to"

Maybe.

Or maybe when they spoke up, our military was already in the process of falling apart. If so, the "speaking out" by anyone was just a manifestation of what had already happened. For quite some time, for example, officers simply didn't go out in the field. Some say it was because they preferred to enjoy the ice cream and the air conditioning. A few thought it was because they didn't know where the next frag would come from.

This occupation will last as long as the morale is high. Talk won't do a thing. Not there. Not here.

As long as the morale is high enough, for our troops in uniform or the contractors, this will continue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 04/01/2008
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"It is the result of a flawed concept to begin with . . . ."
Yes, how true. This is the conversation we didn't get to have before we were hijacked by the neo-CON cum "Sopranos" military/m­edia/drug/­war-profit­erring cartel.
The "flawed concept" is that when you're attacked [by a terrorist], you make war -- not on the country of the attacker, but on their geographical neighbor. Make sense? Of course not.
The TRUTH is that we're there for SOMETHING ELSE.
Something else=OIL.
Now, OIL has a mercenary army (Blackwater) to protect PRIVATE oil fields, while we hand them $18 billion in subsidies and pay $4+/gal. at the pump.
AND our children/g­randchildr­en get to DIE for this. Great, just great.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 04/01/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

Take a deep breath, have a glass of wine, and apply lawyer logic to the courtroom, the real world does not apply.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 04/01/2008
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You are so right, Jason, with the post and the analogy to Tom Wolfe's book. At the heart was a disconnect between the haves and the have nots. Tensions seethed but ignoring them with guilt cleansing excesses never addressed the real issues so steam control worked well enough in the meantime.

The sad thing is that it is difficult to access how much better off the world is without Saddam because Iraq is not. Their society has marched backwards, not forward.

Their infrastructure has been destroyed. We are putting bandaids on things and expecting it to work forever. We are making extreme sacrifices for very little gain. The end game may bring us back to where Iraq was under Saddam but without his effective tyranny. We open the door for other tyranny at the hands of the Sunnis, Al Quaida perhaps and the mercenary armies that roam.

What a foolish policy this has been from the beginning. .

You can ignore the obvious and spin it however you wish but the troops know what is going down and they are expected to carry out missions that will gain little better than what Saddam offered the Iraqi people. If we leave today, next month or next year Iraq will face chaos with an 'elected' government unable to do more than 'steam control'.

That is the saddest part and the complete hubris of an administration that had no plan, no criteria for victory and no sense of history, past or present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 04/01/2008
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I knew that 5 years ago.....no­body wanted to listen!
Why am I living on 843. per month when George get $1,6something. a DAY!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 04/01/2008
- Whinger I'm a Fan of Whinger 46 fans permalink
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Just like the English failed to understand the Irish, so America failed to understand the Arab!

They have stirred up a hornets nest which they simply cannot control.

The only initial solution would be to replace USA and allied troops with Arab soldiers to police the situation, and allow Arabs to sort their own affairs out by themselves!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 04/01/2008
- PADDYWHACK I'm a Fan of PADDYWHACK 6 fans permalink

Good analogy Whinger,the Iraqis have evolved methods of warfare to express their feelings against us and there will never be any love lost.Invad­ing a country which never did us any harm can only have a bloody end.We have always interfered and subverted democracy in the Middle East because we wanted the oil and we don't like their choices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 04/01/2008

Which democracies have we subverted?
Semper fi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 04/01/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

Arab soldiers? Got anybody in mind?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:26 PM on 04/01/2008

Sure. Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, Lebanese, Kuwaiti, Iranian, Saudi, Libyan, Tunisian and Morroccan troops. Yeah, I know the Saudis hate the Egyptians and the Iranians (okay, not Arab, but they are next door) and the Kuwaitis hate the Iraqis and the Libyans can't stand anybody. Make it worth their while and they'll participate. Have the Brits and French supply military hardware. The US? The US gets to go home.

What about all that oil?

Oh.

Nevermind, we'll take it from here, fellas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 04/01/2008
- newshawk14 I'm a Fan of newshawk14 8 fans permalink

I thought your article was outstanding, and I've always had a soft spot for Tom Wolfe, one of our
more astute observers of human foibles. I'm just finishing up Thomas E. Ricks book, "Fiasco :
The American Military Adventure in Iraq," which I regard as the best book on the war that I have
read so far. What Ricks makes absolutely clear is the total lack of a comprehensive strategy, on
either the political or military side. I'd very much recommend the book to everyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 04/01/2008

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/mccain%2Ballemagne/video/x4gvah_poutine-est-president-de-lallemagne_politics

gaffes.... gaffes.... he thinks that the president of Germany is called Putin !!! And he still claims to be a marverik in international politics???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 04/01/2008

Jesus H Christ... you must be kidding me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 04/01/2008
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