Pelosi Says Democratic Race Should Go On

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JOAN LOWY | April 1, 2008 12:48 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the superdelegates who may ultimately decide the Democratic party's presidential nominee have a right to vote as they wish, and that the drawn-out contest between candidates Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama should be allowed to reach its conclusion.

"These superdelegates have the right to vote their conscience and who they think would be the better president, or who can win, but they also then should get involved in the campaigns and make their power known there," Pelosi said in an interview aired Tuesday on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Pelosi recently drew objections from Clinton backers when she said she shared Obama's view that superdelegates _ nearly 800 elected officials and party leaders _ should be guided by the vote for pledged delegates. Obama leads Clinton in pledged delegates earned in primaries and caucuses, but Clinton leads Obama in endorsements from superdelegates. Overall, Obama has 1,632 delegates to Clinton's 1,500, according to the latest Associated Press tally. It takes 2,024 delegates to win the nomination.

Pelosi repeated her view that it would it be harmful to the party if superdelegates were perceived to overturn the will of voters, but made clear she was not suggesting Clinton withdraw from the race.

"I think the election has to run its course," Pelosi said. "I think that for all that I have said about respecting the will of the people that the inference to be drawn from that is that we have to continue the election in terms of hearing from the people.

"I do think that it is important for us to get behind one candidate a long time before we go to the Democratic National Convention if we hope to win in November," Pelosi added.

Last week, Pelosi received a letter from 20 top Democratic donors who support Clinton, expressing unhappiness that Pelosi appeared to be backing Obama's position on pledged delegates and urging her to clarify her position.

Asked about the letter, Pelosi said: "It wasn't important to me."

Meanwhile, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, a superdelegate who has remained neutral thus far, told reporters Tuesday he disagrees with the notion that superdelegates aren't accountable for their decisions in the presidential race.

"Most of us are accountable. In November, I have to stand for reelection. So whatever decision I make in August will be a component part of what my constituents in my district think of me," said Hoyer, D-Md.

That's not true of the delegates candidates win in primaries and caucuses, who generally are not elected officials who have to stand for re-election, he noted.

Barring a complete meltdown by Obama, Clinton has almost no chance of surpassing his number of pledged delegates, even if she wins big in Pennsylvania's April 22 primary, the largest remaining cache of delegates. But some Democrats fear such victories would encourage her to keep criticizing Obama _ her only hope for the nomination _ and thus heighten doubts about Obama's ability to defeat Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain in the fall.

Obama, in an interview taped Monday and aired Tuesday on NBC's "Today Show," said the former first lady "has certainly earned the right to stay in this race as long as she wants ... I think she deserves to be able to run and make her case."

Some Democratic strategists have warned of damage to the party's chances in November if women _ especially the older, white working-class women who are Clinton's base _ sense a mostly male party establishment is unfairly muscling her out of the race. Women make up the majority of Democratic voters nationwide.

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Associated Press Writer Laurie Kellman in Washington contributed to this report.


 
 

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- nohat See Profile I'm a Fan of nohat permalink

Pelosi has had a visit from the Clinton's, you can tell by her wording.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 04/01/2008
- ljsfolly See Profile I'm a Fan of ljsfolly permalink

Hilarry and her camp have been busy giving the republican sound bites and videos of reason why Barack should not win and by doing so she has turned our party into a painful mass of people yearning for an end to this nastiness she has wrought upon us. I have yet to see Barack less than respectful to her regardless of her lying and trying to amke himless of charactor. I want Barack to have the time and support to fight not only the republicans but the leftovers Hillary has made sure she will leave. I cannot see her going out and supporting Barack after all of the damage she has done so please get the super delegates to read the truth about the race. It's not close. Not a tie nothing now can mean more than just wasting more money down the rabbit hole.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 04/01/2008
- BigLib See Profile I'm a Fan of BigLib permalink

Mama has spoken. "Selected NOT elected" is ON the table.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 04/01/2008
- BitJam See Profile I'm a Fan of BitJam permalink

Huh? Last week Clinton supporters attacked and threatened Pelosi because she suggested that superdelegates should follow the will of the people by backing whichever candidate had the most pledged delegates. Now this week you are complaining that the superdelegates are going to decide it. You guys need to get your taking points straight because you appear to be taking both sides of every issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 04/01/2008
- JakeEasy See Profile I'm a Fan of JakeEasy permalink

So on this issue she chooses to be decisive. Couldn't be on the war or impeachment or the environment or health care. But for partisan politics and personal gain, now that's a cause she can get behind.

Should be one of the first to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/01/2008
- AnninCA See Profile I'm a Fan of AnninCA permalink

Pelosi is abusing her position.

She needs to be voted out, CA voters.

Get rid of her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/01/2008
- LeoMarvin See Profile I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin permalink

Yes, Your Highness. Will there be anything else?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 04/01/2008
- nohat See Profile I'm a Fan of nohat permalink

"I think the election has to run its course," Pelosi said. "I think that for all that I have said about respecting the will of the people that the inference to be drawn from that is that we have to continue the election in terms of hearing from the people." (Pelosi)

That is NOT the inference she was drawing when she first talked about the superdelegates respecting the will of the people. Then, she was talking about the supers going the way their constituents voted. Or at least the Clintons didn't thought so (and so did everyone else), for they wrote her that nasty letter. Now she is changing the meaning. Probably BECAUSE of the letter. I just wonder what you make of it. Me, I think she has been cowed. That she has caved in, to the letter, or to something that has happened since.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 04/01/2008
- 2Nurselady See Profile I'm a Fan of 2Nurselady permalink

Well, I'm glad to hear that Nancy Pelosi has backed off on her earlier position. Now, she is saying, "These superdelegates have the right to vote their conscience and who they think would be the better president, or who can win," and that would be Hillary Clinton who has carried all of the high delegate blue states that are the base of the Democratic party. Barack Obama has not carried these states and states he has carried will, undoubtedly vote Republican in the general election.

There is no way Obama can get the White House back for the Democrats - under no logical circumstance that I can think of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 04/01/2008
- JavaCityGal See Profile I'm a Fan of JavaCityGal permalink

Doesn't matter what "blue states" she won -- those states will go Democratic no matter who is the candidate is. Can you see California, NY and MA going red? No. Obama will win the typical blue states, AND he'll have a great chance at the red and purple states where he's already made great inroads. Plus, he's an amazing fund raiser, and not from fatcat lobbyists, but from ordinary people. And he's growing the Democratic base, which will helps all Dem down ballot tickets. Hillary has too much baggage, and with the October Peter Paul trial where she's being sued for fraud for millions, it'll be a media circus with her and Bill on the stand every day. The Repubs won't need 527s, they'll just tell people to turn on the news.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 04/01/2008
- AnninCA See Profile I'm a Fan of AnninCA permalink

Pelosi is simply manipulating her position of power for Obama. She's a real Queen Bee. I confess. When I saw her being annointed, this was the only time I've ever had a queasy feeling based on sheer gloating on her face. She loves being the "first" woman.

She's a real piece of work.

She's slimey with these comments. I frankly would like to see HIllary win only to kick Pelosi to the curb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/01/2008
- LeoMarvin See Profile I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin permalink

Ann, name one person we all know who supports Barack that you admire. That shouldn't be too hard, should it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 04/01/2008
- Hallucinocynic See Profile I'm a Fan of Hallucinocynic permalink

Ann, I truly admire your ability to keep returning with the entertainment segments...

So, all of this is just a case of oversized and selective misogyny...one woman...baaaaaad...one woman...goooooood.

When I first criticized Pelosi a year ago for her apparent timidity, in regards to the impeachment issue, I was taken to task by a female colleague in NY state who said she was certain that Pelosi wasn't proactive because she had been told, in no uncertain terms, by HRC to back off the impeachment issue. At the time I gave little credence to what my colleague said, but after her embrace of Crash McCain, and Bill's relationship to GHWB, I can see the credibility of that suggestion.

But, since I'm here, I've got to ask, again, Ann: are you going to support the Democratic nominee in the general election, regardless of who wins it? Are you going to throw away an opportunity to build on Roe v. Wade, instead of allowing it to be erased by a right wing SCOTUS? Gonna vote for war and less funding for education, health, and other goodies, just to spite those who haven't supported Hillary (and, by extension, those who DID support Hillary)?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 04/01/2008
- PenguinInBondage See Profile I'm a Fan of PenguinInBondage permalink

What makes you think Obama can't carry California, Mass, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey and New Hampshire?

Your argument is bogus.

One quick aside. I regularly got to BOTH campaign's websites.

At the bottom of Obamas is a red button that says "Learn More"

One the bottome of Hillary's is a red button that says "SUBMIT"

Hope that clears it up for everyone.


cheers

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 04/01/2008
- DepartmentalAsset See Profile I'm a Fan of DepartmentalAsset permalink

House Speaker Pelosi and House Majority Whip Clyburn are hardly neutral in this process. Pelosi and Clyburn should recuse themselves from the leadership roles in the Democratic National Convention. Suddenly, after the damage is done, Nancy says it's okay for Superdelegates to vote in a manner that is best for the party. Too late. The damage has been done. The constituency thinks the Superdelegates will corrupt the system if they don't vote the exact same way they voted. Obama's Hope Fund PAC has been paying off Superdelegates for over a year. If not Hillary, then McCain is "likeable enough."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 04/01/2008
- sonofsamstone See Profile I'm a Fan of sonofsamstone permalink

Why is McCain preferable to Obama? I don't get it. I'd like to hear a well reasoned and logical explanation from someone. anyone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/01/2008
- AnnlnCA See Profile I'm a Fan of AnnlnCA permalink

Punishment, moron!

Obama has the Audacity To Steal this nomination from Hillary. It's NOT BO's turn, it's Hillary's turn! BO should wait in line, like Hillary did.

If BO steals this nomination from it's righful owner, he will be punished by all of Hillary's supporters for having the Audacity To Steal. We will punish him by voting McCain, thereby destroying the Obama Brand forever! He will be persona-no-grata, just like Nader after 2000. McCain will only last 1 term, after which Democrats will come crawling and sobbing back to Hillary......begging her for one more run.

Does this clear things up for you Obamatron?

Hillary WILL be president......one way or the other!


Mwaaahaaahaaahaaa!


Hillary '08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/01/2008
- 2Nurselady See Profile I'm a Fan of 2Nurselady permalink

Nancy Pelosi...changing her tune. It's about time. No person should be able to take the votes of the people away. This is not democracy. And, the superdelegates should vote for who they believe can win in the general election. And, that would be Hillary Clinton who carried all of the high delegate blue states that are the Democratic party's base - states NO Democrat has ever won without.

Barack Obama, on the other hand, has won red states, but that is only because there were only Democrats running at the time. Once John McCain is added to the mix, those same states WILL vote Republican - for a fact. Even Bill Schneider of CNN said that those states Obama has won are "HOPELESS" for Democrats in the general election.

If Barack Obama gets the Democratic nomination, there is NO DOUBT that we will have another 4 to 8 years of Bush-type government, if you can even call it "government." It's been more like a bad dream...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 04/01/2008
- estreya See Profile I'm a Fan of estreya permalink

I disagree. Numbers don't lie, and democrats are turning out in droves, while Republicans will only turn out in droves to vote AGAINST Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 04/01/2008
- PenguinInBondage See Profile I'm a Fan of PenguinInBondage permalink

Exactly. That's why Rush Limbaugh is sending out bloggers to muddy up the progressive websites and stirring up his listeners to vote for Hillary. She can't win. Period. Too much Clinton hatred out there, she'll attract Republicans while Dems will sit this one out if the superdelegates go against the will of the Dem voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/01/2008
- riverhouse See Profile I'm a Fan of riverhouse permalink

The super delegates should put Hillary out of her misery and save us all this spectacle her campaign is producing. Statistically she cannot win. She's wasting time the Democrats should be campaigning against McCain. I doubt she will ever quit until the super delegates commit and then it's hard to tell if she would go down graciously. She seems perfectly willing to sabatoge the Democratic Party for her own ego and ambition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 04/01/2008
- nazgul See Profile I'm a Fan of nazgul permalink

"it's hard to tell if she would go down graciously..."

You're being diplomatic and/or optimistic. Having recognized it would be best to depart if she didn't win both OH and TX, she continued. Having lost MS and WY and slipped behind where she was before OH and TX, she decided to stay in. Now she's saying she'll stay in for the knife fight at the convention.

I don't think it's hard to tell. She won't be backing down gracefully. She will attempt to look graceful, but it will be a bald sham.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 04/01/2008
- mrJJ See Profile I'm a Fan of mrJJ permalink

THE MAGIC NUMBER

Here"s what we have after considering the information in the Polls section below:

Senator Obama"s Magic Number " 88 of 310 remaining superdelegates needed, or 28.4%
Senator Clinton"s Magic Number " 241 of 310 remaining superdelegates needed, or 77.7%

The Huckabee Index " 69 or 22.3% of remaining superdelegates needed

The "Huckabee Index" is the number of any combination of superdelegates and convention/caucus delegates that the Obama campaign needs (or the Clinton campaign loses) to make it mathematically impossible for the Clinton campaign to win the nomination, based on current delegate count and polls for upcoming contests. (Disclaimer: This is meant to poke fun at Mike Huckabee, not Hillary Clinton)


Everyone can Keep voting till your hearts content.

THE MATH " Monday, March 31 " After Texas Counties

Thanks to phrigndumass for the work

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/phrigndumass

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5332098

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 04/01/2008
- rojo7449 See Profile I'm a Fan of rojo7449 permalink

Pelosi needs to get to work on her own job. She's just trying to get press time. It's an election year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 04/01/2008
- vippy See Profile I'm a Fan of vippy permalink

Yes, agree. We need to remember her and her ilk in 2012 and vote them out of office. Enouigh
is enough. I believe, though Obama has more delegates and more people voting for him,
Hillary is staying in the race because she knows something we don't. I truly suspect that the
super delegates will vote for her and not listen to the majority. I would have never ever voted
Clinton, though Obama was not my first, second or 3rd choice. But that is another story.
This country does not know CHANGE when it is before them. Kucinich was the man to bring
change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 04/01/2008
- BitJam See Profile I'm a Fan of BitJam permalink

As Speaker of the House and the Chairperson of the Democratic National Convention, this *is* her job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 04/01/2008
- wm1066 See Profile I'm a Fan of wm1066 permalink

Actually, this is part of her job.
Forgotten what her title in this is, but it is part of her job to over see the election process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 04/01/2008
- 2008andbeyond See Profile I'm a Fan of 2008andbeyond permalink

Pelosi has zero competition to worry about in her home district. She's trying to keep the Dems in teh news and keep the tone and topic positive. Her responsility is to keep and expand her majority in the House, not stick for Hillary or cower to Hill's donors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 04/01/2008
- drzoon See Profile I'm a Fan of drzoon permalink

as an Obama supporter from one hour after he announced... let me say... LET HER RUN. let her run all the way to the very very bitter end. its the only way that for once and for all we will be able to burn the Clinton "brand" to the ground. or, if you want to look at it another way, drive a stake through the heart of the (this) vampire! nobody else can do it, it's going to take a Clinton to finish off a Clinton. And i mean this... even if she wins the nomination and "gets out the vote".... and by that i mean the Republican Vote. If you think that a little over half of her own party HATES HER, wait until the Republicans get their hands on her! the hate and venom you see know will be pre-k! so... i say... LET HER RUN so we can once and for all get rid of these folks and we can get on with the work that needs to be done!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 04/01/2008
- Umungus See Profile I'm a Fan of Umungus permalink

I'm amazed how anyone can still be on the "fence"? Why? What are you waiting for? Trying to gauge the political breeze?

I'm not a Senator Clinton fan, however I can at least admire the people who support her have taken a stand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 04/01/2008
- Barackanot See Profile I'm a Fan of Barackanot permalink

Pelosi is just trying to get the superdelegates to make a move before the DNC meets this month so they will not have to make a decision on MI and FL. It was Pelosi and Dean who said back in October that it would be up to the nominee to seat the delegates at the convention. If, when asked the question, "Will the Mi & FL delegates be seated at the convention?", she had answered "No" then perhaps FL & MI would have thought twice about their primary election date.

If the superdelegates hold tight the DNC will have to take some responsibility for their lack of foresight. This isn't over yet.

I like to think that the superdelegates who are holding out are doing so because they seriously believe that Obama cannot win in the general election. He is ahead because he has put together an excellent "caucus team" who are experts at activism and intimidation. The superdelegates have to take that into account that there are a lot of voters who sit out caucuses because (1) they do not wish to make their choice public and (2) they do not like to be pressured into changing their vote. There are no caucuses in the general election and that is an important consideration for the superdelegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 04/01/2008
- nazgul See Profile I'm a Fan of nazgul permalink

"If the superdelegates hold tight the DNC will have to take some responsibility for their lack of foresight."

The party leaders and elected in officials in MI and FL deserve the heat. THEY put their states at risk.

The DNC simply set the rule to avoid chaos. The candidates pledged to abide by the rules and not "participate" in those states. Hillary is simply