"Drink 8 Glasses Of Water A Day" Rule May Be Total Myth

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ABC News   |  Ned Potter   |   April 2, 2008 02:20 PM


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Now, this is shocking: the advice we've been getting our whole lives--to drink eight glasses of water a day--may have no medical backing.


"We set out to take a look at the eight-by-eight myth, and we were really unable to find any scientific rationale for it," [University of Pennsylvania kidney specialist Dr. Stanley] Goldfarb told ABC News.


Will water make you feel full so that you'll eat less while dieting? The doctors were only able to find two small studies -- which disagreed.


Neither are there many studies to say that guzzling water will prevent headaches or flush toxins from your body.


"I always laugh when I hear that one," says Stella Volpe, a nutritionist at the University of Pennyslvania School of Nursing. "Your kidneys do that job." Volpe was not involved in today's study, which is published in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology, an organization of kidney specialists.


So why did these notions take hold? Goldfarb says they found medical-advice sites on the Internet are full of recommendations to drink extra water.


"It's required for life, and I guess that's led people to think, well, if a normal amount is good, then extra might be better," he said.

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Which may come as a relief. It's well-documented that bottled water is expensive and environmentally unsound (Seattle has even banned the sale of it), and the AP recently conducted a study that uncovered sex hormones and mood stabilizers--among other unappetizing things--in the drinking water of 41 million Americans.

Are you relieved? Have you actually been drinking eight glasses of water a day? Have you ever tried? It's not easy, right?


 
 

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- Takuan See Profile I'm a Fan of Takuan permalink

It is well known that as we age, the thirst drive decreases. Maintaining adequate fluid balance is an essential component of health at every stage of life. Age-related changes make older adults more vulnerable to shifts in water balance that can result in overhydration or, more frequently, dehydration.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16728843?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Maintaining good hydration status has been shown to positively affect urolithiasis (kidney stones) and may be beneficial in treating urinary tract infection, constipation, hypertension, venous thromboembolism, fatal coronary heart disease, stroke, dental disease, hyperosmolar hyperglycemic diabetic ketoacidosis , gallstone disease, mitral valve prolapse, and glaucoma. Local mild hypohydration or dehydration may play a critical role in the pathogenesis of several broncho-pulmonary disorders like exercise asthma or cystic fibrosis. In bladder and colon cancers, the evidence on hydration status' effects is inconsistent.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17921462?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

-Dr. Naturo: http://doctornaturo.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 04/03/2008
- falco See Profile I'm a Fan of falco permalink

The body retains water. If you drink lots of water, the body doesn't store it as there is always a plentiful supply. Same with food. If you don't eat much, the body will store food for later usage. Eat a little all day, the body won't go into storage mode. Give it a try. Weigh yourself, start drinking lot's of water for a few weeks. Weigh yourself at the end and you will find you have lost 10lbs in water weight that your body was previously storing because it didn't know when it was going to get more. Will you live without this knowledge? Of course. You will just be walking around with extra weight in water retention and body fat storage. But, really, since when did most Americans care about their health? What is dangerous is listening to the powers that be. It is obvious they don't have our best interest at heart or we wouldn't be offered the smorgasborg of aspartame, flouride, GM food, preservatives, MSG, and all the other poisons approved by the FDA. There's one for you - google the people who run the FDA and see how many connections they have to our present and former administrations. These positions are gifts for graft instead of the best minds and scientific research. Same story, different organization.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 04/03/2008
- TrishR See Profile I'm a Fan of TrishR permalink


If organizations like the FDA, municipalities that fluoridate water [who also drink the water they order fluoridated], and the bottling companies that sell both aspartame-containing diet soda AND bottled water don't have "our best interests" at heart, how come people assume they can trust that corporations that bottle water [and diet soda], "alternative" medical practitioners who both diagnose and sell the treatments they prescribe [conflict of interest?], and things they read on the internet, when there are no standards, other than not "offending" any reader who can click on "offensive" at the bottom of a posting?

Science is designed to strip away the biases of the experimenter. It's humanity's best effort to try to not believe things just because it would be comforting, satisfying or lucrative to do so. That's why science insists that results be studied & accepted by someone other than the experimenter, why sample sizes have to be large/varied enough to convince the scientific community that it was statistically valid & not a fluke, and not contradict previously-accepted scientific knowledge. Is science perfect? No. But we have to admit we know a lot more about the universe, and have double the life expectancy of a century ago. Perfect, no. Progress, yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 04/04/2008
- LAJonathan See Profile I'm a Fan of LAJonathan permalink

I believe the bottled water companies initiated this myth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 04/03/2008
- aceholiday See Profile I'm a Fan of aceholiday permalink

i believe the moon is made of cheese

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 04/04/2008
- TrishR See Profile I'm a Fan of TrishR permalink

One other fact that might shed light on the issue of whether we "need" 8 glasses of water: Before modern sanitation [about the past century], even beautiful, sparkly water often contained deadly microbes like cholera. Before modern sanitation, nobody drank straight up water. People drank either alcohol [beer in cold climates, wine in warmer climates], or boiled teas. Even today, in Italy, a small amount of wine is put into children's water glasses as a germ-fighting agent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 PM on 04/03/2008
- Takuan See Profile I'm a Fan of Takuan permalink

It is well known that as we age, the thirst drive decreases. Maintaining adequate fluid balance is an essential component of health at every stage of life. Age-related changes make older adults more vulnerable to shifts in water balance that can result in overhydration or, more frequently, dehydration.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16728843?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Maintaining good hydration status has been shown to positively affect urolithiasis (kidney stones) and may be beneficial in treating urinary tract infection, constipation, hypertension, venous thromboembolism, fatal coronary heart disease, stroke, dental disease, hyperosmolar hyperglycemic diabetic ketoacidosis , gallstone disease, mitral valve prolapse, and glaucoma. Local mild hypohydration or dehydration may play a critical role in the pathogenesis of several broncho-pulmonary disorders like exercise asthma or cystic fibrosis. In bladder and colon cancers, the evidence on hydration status' effects is inconsistent.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17921462?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Check this out: http://doctornaturo.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 04/03/2008
- TrishR See Profile I'm a Fan of TrishR permalink

There is a difference between "maintaining good hydration" and "drink 8 glasses a day."

I don't doubt that the elderly may lack the thirst mechanism that younger people have. But older people often lose appetite, too. The dehydration experienced by an elderly person could easily be partly due to lose of appetite, and/or a tendency to prefer dry foods like graham crackers over water-rich fooes like fresh fruit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 04/04/2008
- JohnCochtosten See Profile I'm a Fan of JohnCochtosten permalink

I can't believe anyone actually believed this advice in the first place. Do you know how much water that is? I could never drink 8 glasses a day.

You're only supposed to drink what your body craves. Remember, you also get water from food.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/03/2008
- jadez See Profile I'm a Fan of jadez permalink

if you wait to drink water only after your body craves it,thats to late.

6 glasses of good clean water a day (filtered)...is very good for the body.

helps with digestion elimination hydration helps the kidneys the liver

endless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 04/03/2008
- aceholiday See Profile I'm a Fan of aceholiday permalink

citations or references, god?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 04/04/2008
- TrishR See Profile I'm a Fan of TrishR permalink

I have to say I find it interesting that so many people who are suspicious of municipal water are so unsuspicious of corporate-sold bottled water - even when it's well known that that bottled water comes from municipal sources. What could be a better boon to corporate profits than to sell people something they could otherwise get for free, which they can consume in excessive amounts without harm, and which is associated in the popular imagination with purity and health?

Of all the health problems I have ever had, not one could be traced back to my lifelong habit of drinking tap water.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/03/2008
- curiousasheck See Profile I'm a Fan of curiousasheck permalink

Just SHUT UP and let people do what they want to do already. DAMN.

As long as others aren't injured or killed by a rouge water bottle tossed toward the trash whats the big deal?

There is NONE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/03/2008
- TrishR See Profile I'm a Fan of TrishR permalink

Well, there's the issue of learning more about the universe we live in. Oh, and a little thing that humans throughout history have valued highly - Truth.

And what about the huge number of plastic bottles entering the waste stream? What about people spending their finite monetary resources to buy bottled water in the belief that it's better than free tap water [when both bottled & tap water come from the same sources]? What about western countries overconsuming resources [clean, non-saline water is a rare commodity in much of the world] while people in the third world drink contaminated water? What about lettling corporations convince us that a perfectly adequate water supply is somehow unhealthy, and selling us something we could otherwise have for free?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/03/2008
- jadez See Profile I'm a Fan of jadez permalink

of course you are right and as we comment corporations are attempting to controll the worlds water.

clean water and the water supply is a huge problem and only will get worse.
insentitive people never give a thought to what others may be suffering or the reasons why.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 04/03/2008
- richcpl See Profile I'm a Fan of richcpl permalink

Lots of water may not prevent headaches or flush toxins or any of the other stuff, but it'll help prevent some types of kidney stones and definitely keeps you reg'lar, both of which are priceless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 04/03/2008
- paixa3 See Profile I'm a Fan of paixa3 permalink

I agree. I drink between 2 and 3 litres a day of water. My doctor advised me though, not to go over 5 litres per day. (I drank 6 litres per day for a few months)....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/03/2008
- OddManOut See Profile I'm a Fan of OddManOut permalink

I agree and think there is some merit to keep from being dehidrated as a way to stay regular.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 04/03/2008
- singermuse See Profile I'm a Fan of singermuse permalink

Follow the money. Are these studies "debunking" the need for water being financed by, say, corporations who stand to benefit from their employees taking fewer bathroom breaks? In other countries (like just over our own borders) they actually regulate the number of bathroom breaks allowed and the employees, mostly poor working women have had to resort to wearing diapers. I don't think I'd like to see that here! Please pass the water pitcher!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 04/03/2008
- ShawnMichel See Profile I'm a Fan of ShawnMichel permalink

Your logic is somewhat twisted. The researchers, if you hadn't noticed, were university-funded. Which, ostensibly, means impartial.

I for one have never believed the "8 glasses a day" baloney. Because it *is* baloney. It's good that science is catching up with what my body has always known.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 04/03/2008
- TrishR See Profile I'm a Fan of TrishR permalink

I could never drink 8 glasses of anything in a day.

I think the fact that so many people believe it, and report that they "know" water cures their headaches, or shrinks their wrinkles or contributes to weight loss, just shows that

1. drinking way more water than one needs is unlikely to harm humans, so nobody gets scared off 8-glasses-a-day. [Not-harmful doesn't = necessary]

2. people can cherry-pick their estimations of their own health [maybe they wouldn't have a headache without water that day]. In the 1930s, people used to give glowing testimonials about radioactive patent medicines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 04/04/2008
- falco See Profile I'm a Fan of falco permalink

University funded = impartial? You are the twisted one. Who do you think funds the Universities? Those are the people who control what scientific studies, coming out of universities, see the light of day. Ask a professor at a big university just how much freedom they have to publish what they find.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 04/03/2008
- TrishR See Profile I'm a Fan of TrishR permalink

I find it interesting that you are suspicious of corporations trying to engineer anti-8-glasses studies. What about the corporate conspiracy to convince us that there is something inherently more healthful about water purchased in a plastic bottle, and selling us something that we've already paid taxes to pump into our homes?

I think a more important issue about bathrooms in the US is the lack of municipal bathrooms in downtown areas. Does this reduce the amount of time Americans spend away from home? Part of the rationale for rent control was to spred the poor all over the city to make it more difficult to mount protests. I think lack of public bathrooms can contribute to the goal of keeping people's time in public places to a minimum, reducing the sense of community & common good, & the number of people that a citizen is likely to meet and sympathize with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/03/2008
- tiredofthesameoldstuff See Profile I'm a Fan of tiredofthesameoldstuff permalink

Please do some research. The drinking 8 glasses of water a day has long been known to be a myth. There is no science behind it in fact researchers tracking down the source of the supposed rule have found it be rooted in so called conventianal wisdom and not from the scientific community. Point of fact the scientific community says you do need a certain amount of water a day but guess what you don't get most of it from drinking water. But from what you eat and other stuff you drink even coffee.

Ever hear of dehydrated food? What does dehyrdated mean? That should tell you something that food naturally has water in it. When you eat food the water in the food is extracted and used by your body. When you drink orange juice or any other fruit, vegatable or soft drink etc you get water from it.

Drinking eight glasses of water if you could manage it plus eating food drinking other stuff puts one at risk for water intoxication which is fatal. http://www.snopes.com/medical/myths/8glasses.asp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 04/03/2008
- Careful See Profile I'm a Fan of Careful permalink

Shut. Up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 04/03/2008
- Vendeen See Profile I'm a Fan of Vendeen permalink

Just goes to show you -- Science is never CURRENTLY wrong.

Do what makes you feel good. I like to drink a lot of water and easily drink 8 glasses of good ole, free, tap water daily. But, I don't preach to others, or force them to. When my children are thirsty, and its not mealtime when I want them to drink milk, I urge them to drink water -- now they choose that over soda, high fructose corn syrup laden "juice" drinks, etc. BTW, caffeinated drinks dehydrate you more, so coffee, tea and colas don't count.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 04/03/2008
- doug108 See Profile I'm a Fan of doug108 permalink

Are you ever currently wrong? What wrong ideas do you currently and knowingly hold in your head?

Scientists make the best determinations they can based on the available evidence. The thing about science is that it's able to admit that it has gotten something wrong when faced with new evidence. I think that's a pretty good model for everyday belief formation, don't you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 04/03/2008
- BatMasterson See Profile I'm a Fan of BatMasterson permalink

Wrong.

Caffeinated drinks do not dehydrate you as they usually have plenty of water in them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 04/03/2008
- Sumocat See Profile I'm a Fan of Sumocat permalink

"Are you relieved? Have you actually been drinking eight glasses of water a day? Have you ever tried? It's not easy, right?" -- Maybe if I was a nomad, but I work in an office. I bring a jug of ice water to work everyday and drink my fill as desired. I easily drink 8 glasses a day. Very easy once you get your body used to drinking water on a regular basis instead of keeping it in "conservation mode".

BTW, your kidneys don't flush toxins from your body. They pull the toxins out of your bloodstream, but obviously the toxins don't actually leave your body until you urinate. And since it's tough to urinate without having liquid in your bladder, water does play a critical role in flushing toxins from your body.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 04/03/2008
- CrankyCurmudgeon See Profile I'm a Fan of CrankyCurmudgeon permalink

Not sure what working in an office has to do with this. I work in an office as well. I drink between one and two cups of coffee prior to leaving for work and virtually no water during the day. I generally don't drink anything with meals and may have a soda or some ice tea once every season. Aside from being a battle-scarred veteran of the sexual revolution, I have no trouble urinating. I'm sixty years old and in very good health.

My wife, OTOH, drinks liquids like crazy. She goes from one kind of non-caffeinated, diet beverage to another, usually dwelling for months on her current favorite. She really enjoys the lightly honey-sweetened ginseng tea she's been drinking for about three or four months now. Unfortunately, she seems to be allergic to herself and spends an inordinate amount of time at the doctor's office (being treated for sinus and upper respiratory infections) and the allergist's (getting injections).

So . . . I doubt there's any hard and fast rule. Drinking lots of water probably doesn't hurt, unless it's laced with hormones and/or pharmaceuticals. One thing's for certain; believing you need 8 full glasses per day sure plays well with the bottled water industry. Everybody drink your water and your Starbuck's (both insanely over-priced consumer items). Move along now. There's nothing to see here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 04/03/2008
- Sumocat See Profile I'm a Fan of Sumocat permalink

My point is it's easy to drink water if you work in an office, as opposed to working in various locations. You could drink more water if you so chose and it wouldn't be that hard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 04/03/2008
- fcsakes See Profile I'm a Fan of fcsakes permalink

Finally! It's taken forever, but I knew they would come around regarding the water myth. I cannot drink water (mom says I wouldn't drink it even as a baby) - water makes me gag. For years I worried about what this horrific *lack* might be doing to my health. Then I sat myself down and said, "Look, you have never had the flu, very rarely get colds, and are generally healthy as a horse," what's the prob?

So, no, I don't drink water - I drink juice, milk, coffee, and the occasional glass of wine.

Kidneys work fine after six decades thank you .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 04/03/2008