Poll: Clinton Significantly Outperforms Obama Vs. McCain In Ohio, Florida

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  |   April 2, 2008 10:15 AM


New polling data released today from Quinnipiac University:

* Florida: Clinton 44 percent - McCain 42 percent; McCain beats Obama 46 - 37 percent;
* Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 - 39 percent; Obama gets 43 percent to McCain's 42 percent

"When it comes to November, Sen. Hillary Clinton's strength is a big edge over Sen. Barack Obama among white voters, who have not given a majority of their votes to a Democratic presidential nominee since Lyndon Johnson in 1964," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute." ...

"At least for now, Sen. Clinton's argument that she is the better general election candidate in these key battleground states appears to have some validity," said Brown. "In this survey, her strength among white voters is why she runs better against Sen. McCain than does Sen. Obama.

"Roughly one in five Democrats in the three states say they will vote for McCain against Obama, but less than 10 percent say they would vote for McCain over Clinton. Among white Democrats, 23 percent defect to McCain in a matchup with Obama, but only 11 percent defect when Clinton is the Democratic candidate."

Read full details about the poll here.


 
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- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

Hillary must have promised people like Bill Nelson and the likes, something very special. He has been pushing hard to get her the votes there. Something is up their sleeves to work so hard to get something that isn't theirs. I use to have respect for Mr. Nelson, but, not anymore. He is one of the bought and paid for group in the Senate. She didn't out perform, she is trying to buy that state off. Guess it's time to find a new place to spend my money, other than Florida.Th­at state has become a black eye to this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 04/02/2008

Leave it to the Obama supporters to continue to alienate voters in the 2 most important swing states. FL & OH. By saying that voters there are "bigot", "racists" and "old out of touch voters" is really helping your candidate. Please explaing to me how the "bigotted racists" in these 2 states will vote for Hillary over McCain?

Your candidate claims to be a "uniter". Unfortunately, a lot of his supporters didn't get the memo and it will hurt Obama in the near and long term. PS: You want racism? Check out Obama "spritual advisor and mentor". Now that's racism....­.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 04/02/2008
- anthonylee I'm a Fan of anthonylee 4 fans permalink
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So what's the answer? They gave us Bush's first and second terms respectively, they are overwhelmingly supporting the least "viable" candidates that would bring about "change" moving forward. What's the right explanation for their continued support of Clinton/McCain?

So the candidate that can conversely "unite" FL & OH voters and not the rest of the US . . . then they're the "uniter"? Uniting 30 of the 44 states to date tells me that he's at least better than Clinton?!?

Racism . . . . "hatred or intolerance of another race or other races" - which specific race did the "spiritual adviser and mentor" identify and target in his sermons? . . . . I can wait . . . .please take your time . . . . listen to the whole sermon and let me know. . . .there's an answer there somewhere . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 04/02/2008
- SLone08 I'm a Fan of SLone08 5 fans permalink

PS: You want racism? Check out Obama "spritual advisor and mentor". Now that's racism....­.....

You post the same thing over and over again. It's a shame that you can't try to understand what Pastor Wright was saying. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it's not racism. If anything, it's harsh criticism of our govt and society in general. If you can't handle that, go live in China where you're not allowed to speak up against social injustice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 04/02/2008

Yeah, I used to live in Florida and have many friends there. They are getting really irked...be­cause they were told their vote wouldn't count, they didn't vote. Turns out the Clinton supporters were told their vote would count while the Obama voters got the message it would not count. How's that for alienating and disenfranchising voters?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 04/03/2008
- BrianZ I'm a Fan of BrianZ 3 fans permalink

Would you care to fill us all in on how those two groups of voters were given two different explanations of the same situation? How in the world would Obama supporters be told one thing and Clinton's another? Are there special news channels that only certain candidate supporters can see and get "the inside scoop"? Your assertion makes no sense given the media attention that Florida and Michigan have and continue to receive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 04/03/2008
- AxelDC I'm a Fan of AxelDC 81 fans permalink
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Clinton wants to play the same game that cost Democrats the White House in 2004: Red State, Blue State. Basing your entire strategy on getting Ohio and Florida not only lost them the presidency, but cost them several Senate seats and House seats in places where they had given up the field.

Only by carrying out a 50-state strategy did they take seats in Virginia, Indiana, and North Carolina, places where Kerry wouldn't dare to show his face in 2004. Clinton is aiming for that same losing strategy, ignoring the gains Democrats can make in places like Colorado and Kentucky if they treated them with respect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/02/2008
- vincie I'm a Fan of vincie 2 fans permalink

obama is behind in kentucky. is this one of the states he intends to carry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 04/02/2008

Gee .....and this is buried in HuffPo. Imagine if this poll showed Obama ahead in those states. The Headlines would be screaming with flashing lights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 04/02/2008

While Hillary might like to argue that only the states she wins matter, here are the facts: the candidate who has the most delegates after everyone has voted will be the nominee.

Obama will have the lead in pledged delegates at the end of the primary season. So, Hillary has to convince the Super Delegates that she should still be nominee. Polls like this will factor into it, as will false logic that says because Obama didn't beat Clinton in some of those states, that he couldn't beat McCain in those states. Hillary would love it if the decision of the Super Delegates were based solely on those factors. But they also have to weigh things like:

- popular vote
- demographic polling data
- the effects of the Rev. Wright stuff on Obama in a GE
- the effects of Hillary's net -11% favorable (and honesty) ratings
- which candidate will do better among independents
- anything that happens between now and June
- the effects on Hillary's GE campaign of a *perceived* illegitimate nomination (potential loss of a percentage of Obama's constituency, including African Americans and the new & young voters who have come out to support him)
- the effects on Obama's GE campaign of the potential loss of a percentage of Hillary's constituency
- which candidate is better for the Democrats in Congress. Say what you will about Clinton's Presidency -- it was a disaster for Congressional Democrats.

The larger the pledged delegate deficit that Clinton

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 04/02/2008
- robXdion I'm a Fan of robXdion 186 fans permalink
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So basically Peter Brown is saying Dems should run Hillary and win the racist vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 04/02/2008
- ChrisS13 I'm a Fan of ChrisS13 5 fans permalink

I knew Rob would show up with his typical accusations of racism. Dude you are the biggest joke on this board. Check this guy out, he goes in almost every thread and screams racism anytime someone doesn't support Obama. LOL, Mr. Predictable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 04/02/2008
- IslandGyal I'm a Fan of IslandGyal 49 fans permalink
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Wyoming's governor is going to back Senator Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 04/02/2008

I, for one, have been losing a lot of sleep over who the governor of Wyoming was going to endorse. As the ol' saying goes, "You cant won a thing without an endorsment from the Wyoming Governor"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 04/02/2008

If he wins PA I'll believe it...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 04/02/2008
- amst I'm a Fan of amst 9 fans permalink

Ha ha!!! So, they pick two states Hillary won the primaries in and Clinton comes up the winner???? Let's try a couple states Obama won in and see who wins. Give me a break.

Seriously, I think the Obama camp needs keep alert, of course, but other than that they may be able to sit back and watch Clinton as she puts her other foot in the grave.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 04/02/2008

Fair enough. Let's look at Idaho & Utah where Obama won. Do you really think that those two states (and most of the others where Obama won) are going to go Democratic in the general election? How about South Carolina, Mississippi and Louisiana? You show an amazing lack of understanding of a presidential election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 04/02/2008
- BrianZ I'm a Fan of BrianZ 3 fans permalink

Perhaps a little more of a historic view of our recent election cycles would benefit you. Ohio and Florida are very important swing states as you saw in 2000 and 2004. Winning those two states, in the electoral college, is an enourmous win. Addtionally both states tend to be a bit more moderate so candidates who do well there do well across a broad section of the country. Like it or not, in the general election winning Iowa doesn't mean shit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 04/02/2008
- timinhi I'm a Fan of timinhi 10 fans permalink
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Ugh--Exactly which IMPORTANT states, other than his home state of Illinois, did Obama win? He won a bunch of sparcely populated, small states that will invariably vote Republican in the general, and which individually have small numbers of electoral votes in any case. Obama is toast in the general election--Thanks a lot for destroying the Democratic Party and giving us another 4-8 years (if not longer) of a Republican White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 04/02/2008
- DocSmith I'm a Fan of DocSmith 2 fans permalink

This is no surprise as she has really been purporting that it is OBAMA that has been disenfranchising voters in FL. That is her strategy to tie him to the Bush-like antics of 2000. Clever, but it will not work. FL will not vote McCain once he is vetted in the general and they here his "non" ideas for Social Security, the Economy, and the other issues. This is March. Bill Clinton himself said that we he started in the general election that he was third behind Ross Perot (not an April Fools' joke.) But in November, well we know how that story ends. Republicans want HRC to win because they have some "new" weaknesses to exploit. If Obama wins, they run the risk of appearing racists especially when Rev. Wright begins to internationally explain the full balance of his views. This too shall pass. She has always started leading in the polls, but somehow it doesn't remain that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 04/02/2008
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Really? None of it would matter if we got BOTH Hillary and Barack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 04/02/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

Ick!

While I see why some people would like that, I think it would be disastrous. She is the polar opposite of Obama in so many ways, sanity being one of them.

IMO she is unelectable for GE - GOP need only play Bosnia and serious suggest that she is medically pathological or deluded, and bye bye.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 04/02/2008
- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

Forget it ! Obama yes, Billary, no !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/02/2008

It's no use trying to make the Obamanuts face facts. So blinded are they by the messianic properties of that man that they can't see reason when it is staring them in the face.

I suppose most of them are young and haven't lived through any of the elections mentioned by previous posts. I have, and I know McCain is a shoo in if Obama gets the nomination. Though I will be disappointed to live through four more years of Republican rule, I have resigned myself to it by now. Let the Obamanuts romp and play and think they have a chance. Life's hardest lessons are only learned by experience­...and God knows that's a quality they, like their Messiah, lack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 04/02/2008

The problem is not the Democratic voters. I've been saying for months now that if HRC is the nominee the Repblicans will come out in drives to vote against her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 04/02/2008

"Republicans" in "droves"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 04/02/2008

which is why there is great wisdom in the saying that we do not inherit the planet (or the country) from our parents, we borrow it from our children.

embittered, jaded, election-worn oldsters don't believe the country can change under unique and new leadership- the deluded perception that everyone is as embittered, jaded, and election-worn as they are. fortunately, if enough people believe the country can change under optimistic and intelligent new leadership, then it can actually happen. it's the beauty of this country- that it belongs to the electorate, which changes dramatically with every election cycle as new people, whose entire lives will be influenced by their voting decisions, actually get to invest in their future with new leadership rather than address the bitterness of past elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 04/02/2008

There they go again. "Old" people don't count. Is this really the message that you want to send out as a supporter of the "uniter" candidate? What a juvenile approach to a presidential primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 04/02/2008

First off, there is no reason why anyone should take seriously the musings of anyone who would use a phrase as puerile and demeaning to intelligent discourse as "obamanuts," nonetheless a rebuttal might be in order for the keeper of wisdom ID'ed as jeffers1961:

You "know McCain is a shoo in if Obama gets the nomination" - how? The facts that you would like us to face are located exactly where in your post?

Here are some facts for you to face: this week's polling data shows Hillary's lead in Pennsylvania evaporating and the latest poll released today shows Obama actually pulling ahead; this less than three weeks after she enjoyed a 20-point lead in the same poll, with the same methodology.

Why do you suppose this is occurring? Could it be that an increasing number of Democrats realize that her integrity and ethics are such a liability that they must throw their support behind Obama to win the GE?

Your use of the word "Messiah" to describe the attitude of Senator Obama's supporters is offensive. Your worldview is that of a disgusting cynic. That pretty much IDs you as a Clinton troll, doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/02/2008
- BrianZ I'm a Fan of BrianZ 3 fans permalink

Cute post, but yet you resort to the same puerile and demeaning name calling as the poster you attempt to dress down.

Even more amusing you ask for facts but conveniently neglect to include any relevant facts yourself. Comparing polling for Obama v McCain and polling of Obama v Clinton is hardly apples and oranges, wouldn't you agree? And expecting your drawn out, over analyzed inferences about why some polls show a trend upwards for Obama in PA is simply juvenile. You post no facts only ask questions which you can of course deny ever making any assertive statement.

So, while your point against jeffers post may well have been deservered and appropriate, I would think for all the glass in your house, you would refrain from throwing stones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 04/03/2008
- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

Yes, I'm 67 years young !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/02/2008

Umm, looks to me like the Obamaniacs on this site are pretty pissed off about these latest polls. What's the matter baby? Aawwww, come to daddy lol!


You people are so pathetic, you've become a laughing stock! When the polls show Hillary down, you celebrate and gloat like there's no tomorrow. When the same polling companies show Hillary up or narrowing the gap like in today's Gallu poll (Obama 49%-Hillary 45%), then there's something seriously wrong with the polls and should be completely igonored lol. Which is it, people?


Rasmussen had Obama only down by 5% points in Pennsylvania yesterday. The Obama cultists where drinking and paryting in the streets after hearing the news, while at the same time conveniently and shamefully ignoring the USA Survey poll which has Hillary up by 12%. So you see, children..­.the only way we'll know to what extent the Rev. Wright and Bosnia stories have damaged both candidates is on April 22nd. I predict working class/white America in PA will give Hillary her biggest victory so far, thus sending shockwaves throughout the political and Obama world!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 04/02/2008

Could you try to be a little more condescending please? It never seems to amaze me how Clinton supporters are quick to talk about how they are treated by Obama supporters and that is why they will never vote for him. But do you guys ever proofread your post or are you on auto pilot? I ask because, if I wasn't an intelligent, independent thinker who cannot be influenced by someone I don't know, I wouldn't vote for Clinton should she be the nominee. But I will because McBush is not an option. Get a grip. If everything you say is what it "is" than do as Bill says "Chill out."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 04/02/2008

Just the truth, my fellow democrat..­just the truth!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 04/02/2008
- Aleka I'm a Fan of Aleka 14 fans permalink

Yea this annoys me too. In every post they demean Obama supporters and then wonder why they might get hostility back.

But it is pure Clinton...­point the finger while you do the deed yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 04/02/2008
- BrianZ I'm a Fan of BrianZ 3 fans permalink

I actually agree with you, and the post you are replying to.

I don't where it began but the treatment of those with differing opinions on this site is horrible. There are so many people who can not respond to a disagreement about policy or subatance in any meaningful way so they attack you personally. I find it repugnant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 04/02/2008
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Oh, how nice ... too bad FL and MI won't count ..........­....... :-(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 04/02/2008
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But this can't be true. Hillary has been attacked and attacked and attacked mercilessly all of this year. And I'm only referring to the attacks by just by Huffington Post.

Let's see. I love how one story says Clinton is strong in Ohio and Florida. Another story says she's strong in Indiana. The other says that her lead is shrinking in PA.

But no story says what is essentially the truth, "Clinton leads in OHIO, PA, INDIANA and FLORIDA."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 04/02/2008

And now she's going to Washington DC and take back the White House!

YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAWWWWWW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 04/02/2008

Yeah, what ever happened to that crazy guy from 2000? Hopefully he has a low stress job that doesnt control the fate of a large powerful country, but who am I kidding, what kind of loser organization would actually hire that pyscho. Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 04/02/2008
- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

With the help of Republicans that voted for her in Ohio ! Same as Texas, she never won it, but, still says she did. She got Republican votes there too, to bring her votes up. They won't vote for her in the general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 04/02/2008

This is indeed significant since the Democratic nominee cannot win the White House without winning at least one of these states. I think that Obama shot himself in the foot with his efforts to disenfranchise the voters in FL & MI. Democrats don't take kindly to being disenfranchised especially by fellow Democrats. Whatever short term gain Obama makes by doing this to try to win the nomination will surely come back to haunt him in the general election; and righfully so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 04/02/2008
- youngharry I'm a Fan of youngharry 3 fans permalink

That Obama had something to do with the Fl & Mi vote is pure bullshit and propaganda of disinformation. IT SIMPLY ISNT TRUE. For anyone to say such a thing says more about the person posting than it does about the lying post.

THE QUESTION IS ARE YOU FROM THE REPUBS OR ONE OF THE PAID PROPAGANDIST ON HILLARY'S STAFF?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 04/02/2008

To answer your question, I am neither Republican nor a paid staff member of the Hillary campaign. To imply such shows your unwillingness to accept the fact that we Hillary supporters have just as much right to support her as you Obama supporter have to support your candidate. This is a primary season not a coronation.

With regard to Obama's campaign blocking the re-votes in FL & MI; it is absolutely true. If you got your news from some source other than HuffPost & MSNBC whch are obviously in the tank for Obama you would know this. Several influential legislators who support Obama in MI and Fl did in fact block any attempts to get a revote in those states. Can you imagine what the Obama camp would be saying if he were ahead in those 2 states and the Clinton camp were trying to block a revote? There would be a chorus of "racism" charges leveled against the Clintons.

Democrats should NOT try to disenfranchise voters. When they do, they look like Republicans and it will hurt the entire party in the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 04/02/2008

Why attack like YH like that? In life preconceptions count and Ombams action do lead people to believe that he isn't interested in allowing Florida to participate in the primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 04/02/2008

what's *really* disturbing is that the one and only thing anyone seems to be able to use against obama is some OTHER PERSON's out-of-context comments- as if obama himself had made them. comments that obama has come forth and renounced- so it's a weak case at best against obama.

meanwhile, more people are coming out of the woodwork on a nearly daily basis with ACTUAL, FACTUAL PROOF that hillary clinton HERSELF has been known to lie several times about several things and is PERSONALLY involved in a lot of shady dealings over the years.

obama: accused of association with SOMEONE ELSE.
hillary: accused of things SHE HERSELF said or did.

it is truly amazing and sad that there is actually a lot of people who support her. then again, this *is* the country that elected george bush not once, but twice. go figure...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 04/02/2008
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