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Rove Talks To GQ: Obama Is 'Arrogant', Clinton 'Calculating'

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April 2, 2008 10:50 AM


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Now that Karl Rove's retired from the Bush White House and bent on rebranding himself as a media personality, the rest of us get to more fully appreciate the weird way in which his mind works. Last week, in an interview with Greta Van Susteren, we got a fulsome look at the Rove value system. His "advice" to Barack Obama? Traffic in rank insincerities, and call it "gutsy." Somehow, we always figured.

In a wide ranging interview with GQ, readers can come to appreciate another one of the traits that has served Rove in good stead as he's led a President through two-terms of catastrophic ideas that have resulted in horrific approval ratings and his party's defeat in both houses of Congress: his glorious lack of self-awareness. This is on glittering display as he discusses the two Democratic contenders.

What do you make of this whole thing where Hillary was talking Obama up as a vice president and he came back saying, "Wait a minute, I'm winning--why are you asking me to be your number two?"


Very calculating on the part of the Clintons, and a mistake for him on his part.

Why?

Because they wanted him to get down to their level. They want him to look like, you know, not the golden inspiring figure but instead, you know, like an average ordinary pol who's got three years in the United States Senate. So they lay it out there. And rather than having it be dismissed by a surrogate, instead he goes out there! And rather than having an inspiring, forward-looking message, instead he's out there as an ordinary pol saying, "Hey, I'm number one, I'm in first place! I won more states than she did. I won more delegates than she did. What the hell's she doing offering it to me? That's insulting." And he did it in an arrogant way that I don't think made him look that good."

So you don't think his response played well?

No. Take a look at the footage. Turn the sound off and look at it. You can tell that he is arrogant, and you can tell that he's a little bit angry, and you can tell he's very dismissive. He takes his hands and he sort of, you know, waves his hand like, "I'm dismissing something." That was the moment to say, you know, "Look, I know what my opponents are saying, but you know what? I'm focused on one thing and one thing only, which is to help bring Republicans and Democrats and independents together to move America forward." Instead of "Hey, lemme just remind you, I'm winning! I'm beatin' her!"

Rove calling Obama "arrogant?" That's pretty rich coming from a guy who, just a few days ago, took a nice chunk of money from an appearance at the University of Iowa, during which he scolded the attendees, "You got a chance to ask your questions later and make your stupid statements, let me make mine," and mawkishly clutched at his own heartstrings over Iraq: "I shed a lot of tears and I have been inspired by many of the people who feel their son or daughter should not have to die in vain."

But if you dare risk your eyeballs permanently rolling back into your head, here's what Rove had to say about Hillary Clinton:

You've said--what was the phrase you used about Hillary? "Fatally flawed"?


Fatally flawed. I just thought her flaws would show up in the general election. I didn't know they'd show up as early and as strong as they have.

Which flaws?

Uh, calculating. You know, she went through the period where she had the calculated laugh, she went through the period where she had the calculated accents, and you build that on top of a person who already has the reputation that anything she says is calculating, you know....

Is calculating a terrible thing?

It is if people think it's phony. And that's what her problem is. That and the sense of entitlement.

And so, the eternal dialectic betwixt pot and kettle in re blackness continues. At least the interviewer had the good sense to not let that one slide.

There is something ironic about Karl Rove criticizing someone for being calculating.

Right. Look, it's one thing to calculate and say, "What's the best way for me to do this?" It's another thing to say, "What's the best way to do this, even if it means the sacrifice of my fundamental principles?"

And with that, we recommend you click on over to the Huffington Post's "Living" vertical, where you might find tips on how to clean a copious amount of vomit out of your computer's keyboard.

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RELATED: Later in the interview, Rove offers up some juicy opinion that he did not deem fit for reader consumption:

I get the sense you respect Hillary more than you respect Obama.

Off the record?

Please don't go off the record.

Off the record... [Yeah, it's good. Sorry.]

Damn! Now say that on the record.

No. Nope. Nope. Nope.

Let's try again, then: on the record. I get the sense you respect her more than him.

Uh, I know her better than I know him. And I just, uh--she has been around public life a lot longer and has demonstrated, you know, more involvement than he has.


 
 

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- JulieSA See Profile I'm a Fan of JulieSA

"That's pretty rich coming from a guy who, just a few days ago, took a nice chunk of money from an appearance at the University of Iowa, during which he scolded the attendees, 'You got a chance to ask your questions later and make your stupid statements, let me make mine,' "

This is a lie. I don't care one way or the other about Rove, but you are deliberately misleading here. There's a video: Rove didn't say that to the "attendees", he said it to a group of protesters who stood up and started chanting slogans, drowning him out so the actual attendees could no longer hear the talk.

This is useful information to me. Now I know that you're a liar, and nothing you write is to be trusted. You are a liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 04/03/2008
- harriscrl3 See Profile I'm a Fan of harriscrl3

Obama is inspiring he however is NOT an IDIOT. The nerve of some to think that you being in first place is suppose to be flattered and greatful that HIlary wants you to be her VP. If he thinks that is what an inpiring candidate should do then he has no clue about what Obama is about. Obama is as competitive as Hilary he is just not as calculating. He is not running to be VP. Leaders dont run to win second place. They LEAD and what he sees as arrogance is leadership something GWB has no clue about.

The likes of Rove insulting Obama I'd take as a complement.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 04/03/2008
- MrGill See Profile I'm a Fan of MrGill

Rove calling someone else arrogant and another person calculating? Dude, those are in the headline of YOUR resume and probably on your business card. Try again Rove, that's weak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 04/03/2008
- rzan See Profile I'm a Fan of rzan

I don't mean to get religious here, but this guy is going to have to one day meet his maker. Does he really believe that the Lord will say, "Karl, job well done." I don't think so. If there is a hell, Karl will be welcomed there with open arms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 04/03/2008
- leftLibertarian See Profile I'm a Fan of leftLibertarian

And Rove is a coward. I loved that clip from a month back when fat faced Rove was booed by a crowd and had to run like a girl huffing and puffing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 AM on 04/03/2008
- leftLibertarian See Profile I'm a Fan of leftLibertarian

And Rove is a Chicken Hawk

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 AM on 04/03/2008
- Seattlelite See Profile I'm a Fan of Seattlelite

I guess Rove doesn't know what people think about him? Beside being arrogant and a sleaze ball he's got the weirdest shaped head I've every seen! And I've never seen such a bad comb over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 04/03/2008
- ChrisS13 See Profile I'm a Fan of ChrisS13

I don't think Rove really cares what people think about him. Most of us hate him, but he's a guy that you would rather have on your side, instead of working against you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 04/03/2008
- scottymac11 See Profile I'm a Fan of scottymac11

Holly Molly What is this. this deceitful brain poisoned schulb of lard sat with Rummy,'W',and Cheney. He pretends to look across the political landscape and find arrogance and deceit in Democrats! Rove serves as comic relief now. This Dufus was part of ignoring the people who attacked us on 911. Then attacking those that didn't attack us based on lies. Then he calls someone else arrogant and calculating. When they prosecute your crimes vengeance is a character trait I hope they do possess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 AM on 04/03/2008
- Manx See Profile I'm a Fan of Manx

When Karl Rove goes to prison for his role in conspiring to send an innocent man, the governor of Alabama to prison for political reasons, he will have lots of time to write about his views, from his cell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 04/03/2008
- Lisette See Profile I'm a Fan of Lisette

Hey Rove, the racist

I would hate to have your nerve in a tooth.
Who are you?
Who are YOU to critisize any one.
Go far far away

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 04/03/2008
- ElkoJohn See Profile I'm a Fan of ElkoJohn

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i've been waiting a long time for Rove's assessment
of Lady Hill & Gentleman B. . .
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 04/03/2008
- margi See Profile I'm a Fan of margi

Karl Rove is trying to stay relevant, but unfortunately nobody needs his point of view at this point not even Bush. so Zip it Karl, you think you know so much, let me tell ya , you are irrelevant., mind you your own business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 04/03/2008
- speakingtruth2power See Profile I'm a Fan of speakingtruth2power


Code for uppity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 04/03/2008
- ChrisS13 See Profile I'm a Fan of ChrisS13

Everything is not about race, you don't help break down racial divides by insisting it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 04/03/2008
- Toerag See Profile I'm a Fan of Toerag

...and this has what to do with anything?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 04/03/2008
- TN See Profile I'm a Fan of TN

His guy, Bush, never looks arrogant ......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 04/02/2008
- TN See Profile I'm a Fan of TN

When he recently spoke at a college, some kids got hand carried out. A couple of students asked him questions he never would have showed up had he known. When asked about "push pull" politics, referring to McCains, "black daughter story" he said he wasn't stupid. Only a stupid person would try to pull that off. If you thought I was stupid why did you ask me to come here. One girl in the audience was rolling her eyes, what a traitor. Rove hates America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 04/02/2008
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