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Hagel: McCain Facing Electoral Buzzsaw Over Iraq

April 3, 2008 04:34 PM


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Sam Stein is a Political Reporter at the Huffington Post, based in Washington, D.C. Previously he has worked for Newsweek magazine, the New York Daily News and the investigative journalism group Center for Public Integrity. He has a masters from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism and is a graduate of Dartmouth College. Sam can be reached at stein@huffingtonpost.com.

The Republican Party and its presumptive nominee Sen. John McCain are heading into a 2008 electoral buzzsaw with their continued support of the Iraq war, Sen. Chuck Hagel said in an interview with The Huffington Post on Thursday.

The country is still very sour on the war, the Nebraska Republican pressed, and support for candidates who want to stay the course is simply not there.

"I am concerned about the [party still holding on to Iraq as an issue]," said Hagel. "If for no other reason than the political factors here are quite obvious. This country has made a decision on Iraq, and as you see now in any poll, even a minimum of 25 percent of the registered Republicans cannot support the president's policy in Iraq. You take that with the independents and Democrats and you have anywhere between 60 and 70 percent who want out. So you can't politically sustain this and any party that uses this as an issue when they are going in the face of where America is, is not going to do very well politically. That is just the facts of life."

Hagel, who is retiring from the Senate, has not yet endorsed a candidate for the White House. While he considers McCain a friend, there is a vast gulf between the two on Iraq. But Hagel also has sharp disagreements with the troop withdrawal plans of Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, which he views as overly rigid and hasty.

During a Wednesday event promoting his new book, "America: Our Next Chapter", Hagel was asked which candidate's "world vision" he most agreed with, Hagel evaded the question. "Nice try," he said, smiling. "How about this, I'll sign your book."

On Thursday, however, the Senator did show some awe and appreciation for Obama. Responding to news that the Illinois Democrat had raised more than $40 million in March (following $55 million in February), Hagel called him a "strong messenger," and even offered up a historical analogy to John Kennedy.

"It is a phenomenon," he said of Obama's fundraising. "It is something that I have never seen and I don't know if anybody else has ever seen it. It is unprecedented if you just look at the numbers. And what I think is astounding, not just the bottom line number in the short amount of time, but the average per contribution, and that is significant as well because it is so small... When you look at the next generation that Obama has broken into like nothing since John Kennedy... So his people have been very, very smart in how they use the Internet, and they obviously have a very strong messenger with a strong message."

As he approaches his leave from the Senate, Hagel has found himself increasingly at odds with his political party. On the issue of Iraq, he has been one of the fiercest critics of the Bush administration. And such a streak of independence had made the Nebraskan the center of talk about a potential third party run. That, however, has died down. But discussion over him teaming up with McCain or Obama has remained rampant.

And yet, any political partnership with McCain will have to be done over vast disagreements on the war. The two not only differ on the purpose and benefits of the war, but McCain has also yet to sign on to a revamped a version of the G.I. Bill, which Hagel and Sen. Jim Webb have vigorously endorsed.

"We have talked to John," Hagel said of the measure, which would remove the buy-in cost for veterans to receive greater education benefits. "John as you know has been involved on other pursuits. He has taken a close look at it, his people are. Both Webb and I had hoped he would get on it. Obviously Obama is on it and Clinton, three out of four Vietnam veterans in the Senate are on it, people like John Warner and James Inhofe are on it. So, obviously each Senator has to make his own decision on this thing. But we are going to continue to help educate McCain's staff and we hope he becomes part of it."


 

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Hagel: Don't forget to vote for John "100 Years" McSame!

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 04/04/2008

Now that's an Old School Republican Who has been silenced by the Neo Con faction.
Chuck the neo cons are propping up your old buddy as they have with every other Front man they've put out. He is No Longer FIT for Duty- and they are playing him as another Patsy . They are doing so becasue they Know he is no longer capable of comprehending their decptive tactics, or they kno whe is not in good enough health to see the end of his Presidency- Who will they have step in for him? and where is DICK be in his Adminstration- back in the shadows??

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 04/04/2008

Choices, choices!!

Obama/Hagel

Obama/Webb

Obama/?????

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 04/04/2008

Maybe he could choose a Democrat.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 04/04/2008

I am a Democrat who will not vote Republican! The Republican's have gotten far to corrupt and are controlled by religion! Which is something that flies in the face of everything this country has ever stood for. We have always had a Separation of Church and State and that is the only way we will survive as a nation is if the religion is put back where it belongs. But, I would consider voting for Hagel. But, he is retiring. No doubt the GOP hacks are driving him out of the party! That's what they do when they get one to middle of the road and reasonable. We had a Lieutenant Governor once who was deemed to the hacks to be to liberal. They drove her out of the party. So I haven't voted for one since.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 04/04/2008

Doesn't he look like the real deal?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 04/04/2008


and yet the media keeps propagating the myth that this superstitious, shoot-first-ask-questions-later, lobby controlled, doddering mistake is knowledgeable on foreign affairs.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 04/04/2008

I realize US special ops have a job to do. But killing our supposed allies police forces doesnt help win hearts & minds. I'm not sure why Iraqi troops in "civillian clothes" couldn't move in & use US forces as support.

Police sources in the Shi'ite city said five people had been killed in the predawn operation, including four policemen. They said fighting broke out after U.S. troops wearing civilian clothes entered the al-Jamiya district in central Hilla.

http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL03615032

The source pointed out the province's police "had not been early informed about the attack".
He noted "a patrol police forces sent to the accident scene clashed with the US troops, and was hit with a rocket fired by backing US helicopter"
"Four policemen were killed and three others wounded in addition to two patrol police vehicles were set ablaze", he added.
The police source said "the helicopter pursued the ambulance rushing the injuried to Hilla hospital and fired a rocket, leaving four policemen wounded".

http://www.aswataliraq.info/look/english/article.tpl?IdLanguage=1&IdPublication=4&NrArticle=75216&NrIssue=2&NrSection=1

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 04/04/2008

The last thing Obama needs is this guy on his side.
Hagel:
Voted NO on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months. (Dec 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 04/04/2008

mccain is increasingly senile. he spent daqys with the big brass in iraq and didn't notice that iraq was about to attack sadr's militia and have 1000 american trained troops desert at the first whiff of grapeshot. he is militarily incompetent and totally insensitive to the trend of the war. his own military experience is largely as an incompetent carrier pilot who crashed three planes and surrendered to civilians when he crashed the last plane. he was so-so brave as a prisoner, but gave in, as many did, and confessed to being a war criminal. he is, quite rightly, ashamed of his weakness under torture. his opposition to torturing al qaeda is in part his recognition that even brave men will confess to anything under torture, and in part shame for his own confession. A tragic figure, not at all suitable for president. Of course, george washington, as a young virginia colonel, surrendered to the french and mistakenly confessed to war crimes [because of his lousy french], but he was no great shakes as a presidential commander in chief, his only victory being over the bootleggers in western pa in the whiskey rebellioin.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 AM on 04/04/2008

(cont'd) Finally, "by their subordinates will you know them," Washington had the genius to cultivate strong officers, his sponsorship of the Marquis de Lafayette is directly what led to the French army and French Navy helping to box in the British at the American victory of Yorktown, and Washington's selection of General Nathanial Greene to be commander of the war in the South, after Horatio Gates exposed himself as the fraud he was ("the Camden races" was the scornful term Patriots used to describe Gates loss and fleeing on horseback from the battle of Camden), was nothing short of brilliant.

You are right about the Whiskey Rebellion... which revealed the American government's tendencies to ally with the big biz bankers, merchants, wealthy industrialists, and wealthy (slave) plantation owners, at the expense of the rabble farmers and tradesmen out west, extending all the way back to immediately after the "we fight for freedom & liberty & against oppression!" American revolution itself.
Thomas Jefferson is popularly portrayed as _opposing_ Alexander Hamilton's strong, centralized government and national bank, but it was Hamilton's paying off the post-Revolution national debt (to bankers, merchants, & investors who owned those Continental Congress I.O.Us) that allowed Jefferson to pay off Naploeon for the Louisiana purchase.... the greatest single accomplishment of Jefferson's administration, and the one that most endeared him to the "common man". Ironic, is it not, that Jefferson would be the biggest beneficiary of the Hamilton financial policies he is portrayed as kicking and screaming against....

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 04/04/2008

You are right about McCain being increasingly senile with every day, and that he is a mile out of touch with US military ops. in Iraq. He literally doesn't know the difference between s*** and shinola, oops! I mean between "Sunni and Shiite," which means that as a combat commander McCain could wipe out his allies in one battle, and thus empower his enemies in the next.

Which, come to think of it, is EXACTLY the history of Bush-Cheney-Wolfo-Rumsfeld-Perle-Feith-Libby and all the other BushCo civilian Chicken-Hawks, at the very top of the civilian DOD establishment. in Afghanistan and Iraq, where they have empowered Iran, while harboring fantasies of "killing 'em all" - killing ALL factions and rival groups that could possibly oppose American power, in all three countries!
(check signatures of the PNAC "bomb Iraq now!" geniuses from 1997...
http://newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Re Gen. George Washington, aren't you selling him a little short re the battle of Trenton, NJ, where he completely destroyed the Hessian military?
And, as hundreds of knowledgeable war commentators have written over the past 100 years, the #1 job of any guerrilla army commander is.... to keep his army intact and fighting, vs vastly superior forces.
And, just like Cheney (and his civilian chicken-hawk DOD geniuses, above), aren't you selling the whole "diplomacy and alliances" angle short? Washington was an aknowledged master of keeping his alliance with the French and other allies on a strong footing.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 04/04/2008

There used to be a time when most Republicans would have been considered very reasonable, honorable people, back before the GOP was hijacked by the neo-cons. Sen. Hagel harkens back to that day, as does Rep. Ron Paul, and as did Sen. Goldwater. Agree or disagree with them, at least one could depend on them to be good, honorable people.

With the overwhelming majority of today's Republican politicians, I cannot say that.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 AM on 04/04/2008

Oh, and most importantly, Senator Chuck Hagel has stood up against this idiots disaster of a war in a way we can only wish more democrats had found the backbone to muster. The man has been fierce. I like him. If only we had a few hundred more of his quality and caliber to people congress- but then, I guess thats what being rare is all about.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 AM on 04/04/2008

Hagel still doesn't respect a woman's right to reproductive choice. He did nothing to stop his party or his President and supported their policies time after time. He supported their nominees as his party stacked the federal agencies with cronies and politicized the federal courts with reactionary right-wingers. I agree he's rare among Republicans, but he's STILL A REPUBLICAN.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 04/04/2008

chuck is what a politician should be unlike the spineless fools that inhabit congress and the senate.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 04/04/2008

Hagel should be a key player in the pending Obama administration. He is smart, tough minded, principled, has guts, says what he thinks is true -not what he thinks people want to hear. I could see him as VP -though probably more effective as Secretary of Defense- he could be the right person to help Obama and the rest of us extricate ourselves from the quagmire that is Iraq.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 04/04/2008

Hagel's auditioning for that Cabinet Post in the Obama Administration.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 AM on 04/04/2008

This brings up a very interesting point...

A few nights ago, McCain was on Letterman. The conversation came around to the loss of Congress by the Republicans, in 2006.

McCain was quick to admit that the R's had screwed up... except that he maintained it was because the country was FED UP WITH OUT-OF-CONTROL SPENDING.

Got that? Voters apparently turned out in record numbers for a non-presidential election, and dumped enough Republicans to give both the House and Senate to the Democrats... because the R's had succumbed to ("Democrat"-like) "SPENDING".

Iraq War? WHAT Iraq War?

Just remember, Letterman let McCain spin that crap for as long as he wanted. Not one word from Dave to question the tortured logic.

And so we know the track upon which the Straight Talk Express will be running for the duration of this campaign. Expect about the same non-reaction from the rest of the media.

McCain needs to be called on this shameless misdirection from the git-go, and often.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 04/04/2008

What he could have said was that most8 year Administrations lost the Congress in the last off year election.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 AM on 04/04/2008

This eight year administration is not at all like most. It's headed by your hero, Chimpy McFlightsuit, Dead Eye Dick and their Merry Band of Witless Neocons (Rummy, Wolfie, Feith, Perle, etc.) who brought us their Excellent Adventure in the desert. At the cost of many, many lives and many billions of dollars. The Supremes, Fredo Gonzales, Turd Blossom Rove, Oxycontin Limbaugh, Ann-orexic Coulter, O'Lielly, the list goes on. And let's not forget the likes of Tom "Mental" DeLay and Duke Cunningham. People finally had their fill of GOP bungling and corruption and booted out the worst of the worst. But politics rots from the head. We must be rid of the evil, incompetent SOB's and their ilk at the top. Then maybe, just maybe, things will start to get a little better, although I wouldn't hold my breath.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 04/04/2008

Look for Chuck Hagel to have some important role with Obama, possibly veep. I've heard him mentioned as Sec'y of Defense, but I'd rather seem him at State. He's a good man.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 04/04/2008

He would be great as Sec of State. Wes Clark for Sec Def, Edwards as AG, Hil still a Sen from NY. I'm stumped for Veep. Richardson? Got a lot of up sides. Damfyno. Hagel may be the last of a dying breed. An honorable Republican.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 04/04/2008

Face a buzzsaw over Iraq?

I woulda been thrilled to see the Bush groupies face some waterboarding, but Sam Stein has raised the ante IMO.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 04/04/2008

hagel is a fraud who is just using his phony war stance to sell books and get attention. if not, would anyone know his name? nope

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 04/04/2008

Apparently, you never watch C-Span, I differ on about 90% of Hagel's stand on social policies but I respect he's been one of the few Republicans who DARED repeatedly stand up in US Senate and publically say WTF are we doing in Iraq and how many more "lies" will we have to swallow.

He was branded a traitor by some in his own party and my guess that's big part why he's retiring, that and disgust with chicken-sh!t Republicans who privately know Iraq is a mistake but refuse to say it in public.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 04/04/2008

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You forgot to call him a spinless liberal white flag waving terrorist loving commie tree hugging hater of America defeatocrat.
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favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 AM on 04/04/2008

Those are already established "facts" lol

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 04/04/2008

He didn't have to. You did it for him.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 AM on 04/04/2008

Like you know what you are talking about, you know the man I'm sure. Why do you write anything when you have nothing but smear to spread? You want to better the world and this blog, find something smart to add, think about things and see of you can add enlightenment but smear, you only make a statement about yourself.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 04/04/2008

What on earth are you talking about?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 04/04/2008

I'm a Democrat, and I would have gladly voted for Chuck Hagel if he had been in the race this year. An Obama/Hagel ticket would be fine by me. It would help unite the country after eight years of this nightmare that we call an administration.

Hagel made a great speech last year about an elected candidate's duty to follow through. It solified my respect for him. I'm glad to see there are still Republicans with enough guts and dignity to face Bush, Cheney, and their minions.

Hagel and Webb, unlike Bush's crowd, are true Vietnam vets. I hope John McCain sees the light and signs their new version of the G.I. Bill. For a former "maverick" like McCain, it should be a no-brainer.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 04/03/2008

If Hagel actually DID follow through, he would have a lot more respect. Instead, he talks a good game and votes with his party anyways.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 04/03/2008

I guess that publishing this guy's actual voting record on Iraq is not part of the approved narrative.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 04/03/2008

Show a list of ALL his war-related votes in the last year plus, not just a carefully customized version. As you know, or should know, Senate votes are not always what they seem, and can easily misinterpreted. Hagel's votes have been consistently anti-war recently, except for opposing de-funding (Feingold). He voted for timetables, he voted for redefining the mission, he voted against torture, Gitmo, to restore habeas corpus, and that's just off the top of my head. There are many valid reasons to criticize him (his SCHIP votes made me cringe, for instance), but saying one thing and doing something else is definitely NOT one of them.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 04/04/2008