"It's Bulls**t!" Jenny McCarthy Takes None Of It Where Autism Is Concerned, Even If She Is On TV

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Yesterday was World Autism Awareness Day, and as part of CNN's week-long programming for autism awareness Larry King dedicated the full hour of his program to discussing autism and how reported cases had skyrocketed in recent years, and the debate over the culpability of vaccinations in children with autism. Former MTV star Jenny McCarthy is now an outspoken activist on behalf of parents, ever since her son Evan was diagnosed with autism at age 2. McCarthy was on with King for the full hour, and her passion and fierceness was riveting as she described how parents kept having identical stories about a perfectly healthy child getting immunized, coming down with a fever and never quite being the same again. McCarthy called it a "global epidemic" — current statistics estimate that 1 in 150 children is diagnosed with autism, and 1 in 94 boys (boys are 4 times as likely to be diagnosed as being on the "autism spectrum" than girls. The debate about autism has been about vaccines, and questioning whether mercury and other elements in vaccines is to blame. Said McCarthy:

I believe that parents' anecdotal information is science-based information. And when the entire world is screaming the same thing -- doctor, I came home. He had a fever. He stopped speaking and then he became autistic. I can't -- I can see if it was just one parent saying this. But when so many -- and I speak to thousands of moms every weekend and they're all standing up and saying the same thing. It's time to start listening to that. That is science-based information. Parents' anecdotal is science-based information.

In the second half of the program, two pediatricians joined the program who didn't believe that there was a link between vaccines and autism, and McCarthy wasn't having any of it. "Are we considered acceptable losses?" she asked dangerously after a point was raised on the cost-benefit of vaccinations, and what they offered in terms of prevention. "Give my son the measles! I'll take that over autism any day." It was also around that point that she called the standard vaccination program "bullshit" without missing a beat. CNN deleted the expletive in the transcript but not on air, because they don't call it "Larry King Live" for nothing. Watch it below:



The whole show was riveting and so is the read, if you want to check out the transcript here. I'm with Jenny, 1 in 150 is a staggering number and these dots don't connect any other way. CNN has focused a lot of time on autism this week for World Autism Awareness Day, including numerous segments across all its shows domestically and internationally from "American Morning" to "The Situation Room" and even to "Election Center" where last night Campbell Brown's final segment dealt with the position of the presidential candidates on the topic (which, by the way, is a great idea - I would love to see more issues examined this way). CNN senior producer John Dear shares his own story of his son, Jonas, who became autistic after the whole family was sick, but never quite recovered:
I remember distinctly it was December 2006. My entire family became sick at the same time. Our two boys, my pregnant wife and I had projectile vomiting. It was unusual not because we were miserable simultaneously, but because Jonas (18 months at that time) never seemed like himself after everyone else got over it. He no longer wanted to cuddle with us and would not respond to us when called. The eye contact disappeared, and he started tapping with his fingertips on anything he could find. We bought a set of drums and a keyboard thinking he'd be this great musician with his new obsession. Up until that point he had been developing normally, but now the few words he knew were no longer there and he was completely non-verbal.

These are stunning stories, and it is incredible that they are happening in 1 out of every 150 kids. Kudos to CNN for giving it that kind of coverage. I'm glad I saw this show last night.

Jenny McCarthy: The day I heard my son had autism [CNN]
Transcript: Larry King Live, April 2, 2008 [CNN]
Help For Jonas - One Family's Story
[Paging Dr. Gupta - CNN]
Facts About Autism [Austism Speaks]

Also on Dr. Sanjay Gupta's Blog, "Paging Dr. Gupta":
Finding Amanda
Continuing to place the puzzle pieces

Navigating Emma's Autism (by CNN Senior Writer Phil Riley, also Emma's dad)

Related:
MMR Vaccine Controverersy
[Wikipedia]
Debate Rages Anew on Vaccine-Autism Link [ABC]



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My son is autistic. Looking back, I can see the signs of it from his infancy. There is no doubt in my mind that his autism is something he was born with, and not in any way related to his vaccinations. Autism is a neurological condition, not a disease.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 AM on 04/07/2008

Have you experienced regressive autism? I ask this, because you mention that your son exhibited signs from birth. What do you say to those parents who had perfectly normal children until right after a vaccination, when their child suddenly developed a very high fever, horrible screams, brain swelling, and then loses the ability to communicate?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 04/07/2008

I think there are many possible causes of autism...Blaming it soley on the vaccines (and thus wanting to do away with them) is silly. They're are many people around here screaming against the vaccines because of the high incidence of autism in the area. However, industry dumps tons of mercury as well as other toxic chemicals in Lake Michigan every day. Since the lake is the main source of water in this area, it's a wonder that no one has spoken up about it. So let's do away with vaccines, guess polio isn't so bad afterall. But keep drinking contaminated water and eating contaminated fish.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 04/06/2008

trinity, very few of us want to get rid of vaccines entirely. We are just asking for the CDC et al to remove the toxins and to develop safer vaccination schedules. I don't disagree with you concerning mercury and toxins in the environment, but injecting these toxins into an immature baby's bloodstream is really not a good idea, is it?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 04/06/2008

Ah, yes, the antivaccinationist toxic myth about vaccines:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=9

Try again.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 04/10/2008

So, you claim that formaldahyde, mercury, arsenic, alluminum sulfate, ammonia and several other toxic chemicals are perfectly ok to inject into your bloodstream.

Again, we see your hatred toward us. I don't understand. We are only asking for safer vaccines and schedules.

Try again.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 04/10/2008

But - we are Americans - we like the EASY answer - we don't want to have be responsible in any way for anything - we want to blame everyone else - assume that THEY are responsible and that if only THEY fix it everything would be fine. People think that they can eat, drink, anything they want prior to reproduction - reproduce and damn it the baby better be just 100% fine or else it is someone else's fault - it could never be the fault of someone who does not eat well, exercise and take care of themselves prior to reproduction - it could never be just shear bad luck - it can never be that the child was exposed at home to crap that went into their system and affected them - NOPE - it can NEVER be anything other than - a shot.

Yup - good Americans - eat, drink and be merry and if something bad happens - well there must be someone to blame and sue for it...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 04/06/2008

This is the same "lady" who acted like a skank for years. How bout this instance from just three years ago:

http://www.hollywoodrag.com/index.php?/weblog/comments/jenny_mccarthy_wets_her_pants/

http://images.phun.org/phun/galleries/naked_celebrities/jenny_mccarthy.jpg

Or when she did that Candies ad where she's on the toilet w/ her panties on the ground? Very lady like.

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/531/jenny019732135kc8.jpg

And of course she did that show "Singled Out" acting a fool.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 04/05/2008

"Skank"? Sounds like someone knows he could never get a Jenny McCarthy and hasn't come to grips with it yet...

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 04/06/2008

Not at all. I just remember her from the '90's. And it's amazing what an image makeover will do for people. I'm sorry her kid is sick, but some of you have real short memories about how she came into the public light.

She posed nude and acted like a horse's ass on tv and print. She was the good-looking wacky chick. Remember.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 04/06/2008

How does that apply to the fact that she is a mother who is outraged over the injury to her child? Does it make her heartache less so because she posed nude and had a job? It was her work, you know. I honestly don't see what her posing nude or working on MTV has to do with anything.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 04/06/2008

Craig, very well said. Her profession has absolutely nothing to do with her son. I praise her for being outspoken. I believe she is out there and saying what I think most of us would like to say. I am proud of her for how she was on Larry King Live.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 04/08/2008

amen

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 04/07/2008

I think the people behind the big Pharm companies have the same people behind them as Defense Contractors, Republicans (Media) systematically brainwashing people that they need drugs for "restless leg" the penis that wears out of natural causes at 70, and every sniff, cough, allergy, headache, and depression known to man. When they see profit potential, it's a little hard to make them change direction and do more research. You think all the Defense Contractors were hoping that The Weapons Inspectors had found the WMD's? Nah. Too much money to be made.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 04/06/2008

Why do you hate women? . . . Is it because of the unspeakable things your mother did to you?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 04/06/2008

Oh, yawn..

Her kid was injured by a vaccine and she is righteously angry. End of story

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 AM on 04/06/2008

No, her kid was not (because according to her own account in her own book she noted signs that something wasn't right when Evan was an infant, although she clearly didn't recognize the significance of them and because there is no good scientific evidence to support the contention that vaccines cause autism), and she is boorish, not "righteous":

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/04/the_huffington_post_and_vaccines.php

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 04/10/2008

And we are supposed to take your word for this? You who posts a link to a site that is filled with hatred and bigotry? Again, I think I will reserve my judgement for what is righteous and what is boorish. You are a prime example of the latter.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 04/10/2008

I liked Jenny much better when she kept her mouth shut and her clothes off.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 04/05/2008

Do your parents know you are using their computer? Shouldn't you be in bed for school?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 PM on 04/05/2008

I think you've got too much tofu in your diet. You should try to work it off with a rousing rendition on Kumbyay. Then you can go hug a tree.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 04/06/2008

The Autism debate is a bit like Global Warming. The vast majority of science says that the shots do not cause autism - just like the vast majority of science says Global Warming is happening... But in both cases there is a vocal minority that points to studies by a small minority that supports their position. Sort of interesting how the sides flip-flop depending not on science but on what they "feel" should be the correct answer.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 04/05/2008

You analogy doesn't work. Who is paying for the research into whether autims and vaccinations have a plausible connection?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 04/05/2008

The NIH and the CDC, for two, plus the health ministries of other countries (foreign studies).

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 04/10/2008

Who have a conflict of interest in every single study they do concerning Vaccines.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 04/10/2008

The CDC itself says that there is no evidence linking vaccines to autism. Sorry to break this to you but both sides show a lot of hypocrisy with their relation to pseudoscience.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 04/06/2008

But the government has conceded and acknowledged a case where vaccines caused autism in a child.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 04/06/2008

Although nothing will ever stop the conspiracy theorists, here now Rear Adm. Anne Schuchat's written response on the autism controversy. Please read it with an open mind and without the hysteria so often associated with this topic.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/04/04/cdc.commentary/index.html

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 04/04/2008

I read your link with an open mind (as I do have an open mind about this issue) and found it interesting. If I may point out, the commentary states that "No links to autism have been found." That is not the same as saying no links to autism *exist*. There is also a disclaimer at the bottom stating that the opinions expressed in the commentary are solely those of its authors.

Please read these links with an open mind :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/can-vaccines-cause-autism_b_94040.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/cdc-has-lost-control-of-t_b_95081.html

In case you don't want to read both, take a look at this quote from Dr. Julie Gerberding, Director of the CDC: "We can say absolutely for sure that we don't really understand the causes of autism. We've got a long way to go before we get to the bottom of this."

Also. . .again quoting Dr. Gerberding: "I'll never be comfortable with everything we know. I mean, I think we have to have an open mind about this. We know that there is very little chance that something related to a vaccine is going to cause a serious problem for a child."

David Kirby wrote an outstanding book called 'No Evidence of Harm'. It is not emotional, not "hysterical" but is thoroughly and brilliantly investigated.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 04/05/2008

David Kirby? You're citing David Kirby? That's rich:

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/02/incredible_shrinking_causation_claim.php

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 04/10/2008

Yourself? You're citing yourself? That's rich.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 04/10/2008

"No links to autism have been found." That is not the same as saying no links to autism *exist*" - this is the same type of lousy view of science that the far right has regarding global warming. I remember not to long ago women were suing companies over the silicon made into breast implants - the science at the time showed no evidence linking silicon to all of the problems these women had and the companies lost time after time - now the science is even stronger that there was never any link and silicon is once again being used.

I would think that Progressive Liberals - the same ones who have rightly been going after the Bush Administration for their war on science - might want to set a bit of example and actually put the science ahead of the hysteria and accusations - but alas - it looks like both sides are pretty lousy when it comes to really allowing the scientific process to work.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 04/06/2008


Dear Angstall,

To understand any science, you must first understand the concept of falsifiability. Scientists do not, as a rule, make *any* judgements or statements that are falsifiable.

It's this proving a negative hypothesis that can make science difficult for lay persons to understand and that often leads to leaps of logic.

That we do not understand the spectrum of issues that cause autism is well understood by all parties to the issue, but as Dr. Schuchat wrote:

"One issue that continues to receive attention is whether vaccines somehow play a role in autism. When concerns emerged about the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and about thimerosal in vaccines, top scientists .... planned and conducted the highest-quality, large-scale studies. No links to autism have been found."

That is about as categorical a statement on the issue as -any- scientist or physician can ever make about anything.

With regard to David Kirby, he is neither scientist nor physician. I would refer you to a book review of 'No Evidence of Harm' by an MD.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/330/7500/1154

If that's too long to read, here now the doctor's conclusion on Kirby's book.

"The only value of this woefully one sided account of the mercury and autism controversy is the insight it offers into the way that credulous journalists have contributed to the public nuisance and private distress caused by antivaccine campaigns."

If that's your best defense, fire your lawyer. : )

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 04/05/2008

And I certainly have no lawyer.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 04/05/2008

We'll have to agree to disagree as it were. If you read the links, they pointed out flaws in some of the studies, including flaws that the scientists and authors of the studies pointed out themselves. If the Director of the CDC (a doctor) says "we have to keep an open mind about this" (which is a huge difference from what they've said for years) then I don't understand why others can't keep an open mind. I trust David Kirby because he has no reason whatsoever to take his position. He doesn't stand to profit or be held liable. He saw an issue and investigated it. I should also point out that I (and most of these other posters) are not "anti-vaccine" but rather believe the schedules should be examined and the toxins removed.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 04/05/2008