North Carolina Primary Could Be Democratic Graveyard

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The Huffington Post   |   April 3, 2008 09:25 AM


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"The end could be near," USA Today reports in an article headlined "Why the Democratic race could end in North Carolina."

Four months and 42 states after the opening Iowa caucuses, the primary in North Carolina on May 6 now looms as a pivotal final showdown between Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.


Obama starts with a double-digit lead in polls here, a state where 2,400 free tickets to his rally at the War Memorial Auditorium in Greensboro last week were gone within three hours of the announcement he would appear. But Clinton has appeal in the Tar Heel State, too, and is competing hard. The day after Obama's rally, she drew 1,000 supporters to the gym at Terry Sanford High School in Fayetteville for a town hall meeting.

"I really believe May 6 has the potential to be everything," says Joe Trippi, a strategist for the presidential bids of former North Carolina senator John Edwards this year and Howard Dean in 2004. "Every day you see increased pressure on Hillary Clinton about why she's staying in, and if she could win in North Carolina it would shut down that kind of talk and open up the possibility she could get there" to the nomination.

"But if he wins in North Carolina," Trippi says of Obama, "I think you're going to see things close up very quickly. You'll see a lot of superdelegates line up behind him."

The local News & Observer is reporting that the candidates seem to share the same vision, with massive organization ramping up in the state:

In recent days, the campaigns began assembling ground operations that instantaneously dwarfed the efforts of candidates for governor, the U.S. Senate and dozens of other North Carolina offices.


Obama has opened 15 campaign offices in the state, a number expected to grow. The Clinton campaign dedicated its headquarters near the Glenwood South section of Raleigh on Wednesday with about a dozen more offices to come.

Hotline has run the numbers to identify a wild card that is difficult to poll: the net switch of Republicans who might be voting in the Democratic primary:

But there's also a lot of movement within the ranks of registered voters. Between January and March of this year, more than 30,000 currently registered voters changed their party identification. More than 12,000 of those, about 40%, are previously Republican voters who have moved OUT of the party to register either as Democrats or as unaffiliated voters able to participate in either primary on May 6th. Subtract from that the number of Dems and unaffiliated voters who moved into the GOP, and there's still a net LOSS of about 6,700 Republican voters in three months. In contrast, the Democratic party nabbed a net of about 4,000 voters - previously Republican or unaffiliated - who moved into the D column. And the unaffiliated group, which gained almost 50,000 new voters in the last three months, added an additional 2,700 net from the shuffle.


Why am I telling you all this? Unaffiliateds are the big bold wildcard in the Carolina election - they're difficult to poll and even harder to target, and their motivations are all over the map. From Republicans hoping to throw a monkey wrench in the Democratic primary at Rush Limbaugh's urging, to disenchanted partisans seeking a unity candidate, to last-minute undecideds, these are the voters who could surprise us all.


 
 

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- skeptical1 See Profile I'm a Fan of skeptical1 permalink

Hillary will rise from the ashes of her defeat to new glory as the VP running mate of John McCain. And, I think that thye would win. Remember, it's not about the country or the Democratic Party, it's about the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 04/04/2008
- antaeus See Profile I'm a Fan of antaeus permalink

Yup, could be. Then in November Ohio will be Obama's Waterloo. Good-bye Hillary, hello McGovern II.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 AM on 04/04/2008
- Harrier See Profile I'm a Fan of Harrier permalink

I agree. Given Clinton wins in PA and IN, she must win in North Carolina if she wants to win the popular vote. If you are a Democrat you are seeing the the race they are having, completely sucking the oxygen out of anything McCain is trying to communicate. Nobody has heard from that guy in a month at least. He is unable to take any shots at all and this would be the ideal opportunity to shape the attacks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 04/04/2008
- musselmanm See Profile I'm a Fan of musselmanm permalink

Texas ended it all. We here in NC will be proud to put the nail in Hillarys' coffin so to speak.
The energy here in Greensboro is very high with people talking everywhere. Supporting Obama with a delight that shows in their eyes. Not just blacks, but many whites also.
She does not need top leave because she no longer matters, just like Huckabee at the end of his campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 04/03/2008
- BrooklynLager See Profile I'm a Fan of BrooklynLager permalink

That's great news. My family is from Greensboro and I have relatives in NC and they're all for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 04/04/2008
- c1ee See Profile I'm a Fan of c1ee permalink

Exactly, let her run and watch her empire collapse under her feet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 04/03/2008
- qdog112 See Profile I'm a Fan of qdog112 permalink

People it's all over but the lullaby. It was over when she stated how honored she was to be on the stage with Barack during that famous debate. The constant drip, drip, drip of super delegates says she just didn't get it. Corzinne, Murtha, President Carter after Richardson is the death blow. Call it saving face or dignity preservation - she should go NOW!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 04/03/2008
- NicoleAnonymous See Profile I'm a Fan of NicoleAnonymous permalink

What would happen if someone called Obama a whore or said this was his graveyard?

Everyone would be talking about the "racism" and how offensive it is to black people. But female politicians can be called whores or be told they're "crazy" and mentallly ill and have their clothing criticized and most people don't have a problem with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 04/03/2008
- missjabez See Profile I'm a Fan of missjabez permalink

I don't think anyone approved of calling Hillary Clinton a whore. That was in very bad taste, but this talk of Hillary being a victim of gender discrimination has gotten very old. But if some people enjoy supporting someone who portrays herself as a victim to further her own political interests, more power to 'em.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 04/03/2008
- gmlaster See Profile I'm a Fan of gmlaster permalink

But she is a whore. She whored for Bill, who is looking more and more like a trick who can't pay up. That Clinton name was supposed to be her ticket. After Lewinsky, she probably agreed not to take the kid and leave him alone to die of shame all by himself in the White House on the condition that he'd guarantee her a turn as president. Now it's looking like she put off that divorce for nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 04/03/2008
- NicoleAnonymous See Profile I'm a Fan of NicoleAnonymous permalink

I don't really support her and didn't have a preference between her and Obama although lately I seem to be supporting Obama a little more than her.

And I don't think Clinton has ever been a "victim" of anything. But that doesn't mean the way people insult her isn't offensive to women - it's not about Clinton. It's about the way people insult her but if you don't understand why then I probably can't explain it to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 04/03/2008
- Gibbons See Profile I'm a Fan of Gibbons permalink

Of course Obama will win it because 99 percent of blacks will vote their race as the majority of white people in this state have been doing since the civil war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 04/03/2008
- slow2 See Profile I'm a Fan of slow2 permalink

Gib -- Meaning?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 04/04/2008
- teamsterwife See Profile I'm a Fan of teamsterwife permalink

No.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 04/03/2008
- steelbreeze676 See Profile I'm a Fan of steelbreeze676 permalink

What exactly do you expect to happen for Hillary to win this thing? Mathematically this thing was over a month ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 04/03/2008
- kellygrrrl See Profile I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl permalink

well, the same was said about PA - and looks like that could be changing.
In fact, a year ago it was "over" apparently as Hillary was The Inevitable.
You just never know. Americans are funny creatures, and MANY actually do decide at the last minute.
No candidate can ever take anything for granted. And I think we've all learned how reliable polls are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 04/03/2008
- RThM See Profile I'm a Fan of RThM permalink

North Carolina the primary graveyard? No. That was Texas when the full results were finally tabulated. Now, that doesn't mean that the living dead won't continue to haunt subsequest primaries. If found still wandering about, however, please return them to Texas for a proper burial. Pre-addressed envelopes can be picked up at your nearest Obama campaign office. First-class postage will be paid by the Gang of Twenty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 04/03/2008
- newunderground See Profile I'm a Fan of newunderground permalink

BRAINS...LIVE HUMAN BRAINS..MUST HAVE BRAINS...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 04/03/2008
- LiarLiarIraqsOnFire See Profile I'm a Fan of LiarLiarIraqsOnFire permalink

I say creamate it and sprinkle the ashes over Mall-Wart HQ in Arkansas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 04/03/2008
- verlaine See Profile I'm a Fan of verlaine permalink

Queen Hillary is dead meat. She knows it, Bill knows it, Chelsea knows it and so do the thugs running her campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/03/2008
- patapsco99 See Profile I'm a Fan of patapsco99 permalink

Obama needs to keep the race issue card going. If he makes this election about reason instead of legislating morality, he will lose. Nothing motivates people to the polls quicker than someone who believes they will be taking a moral stance and changing social laws. Outside of religion in the United States, people have little opportunity to feel morally correct. Face it, the next generation believes that politics are religion and that confusion between social controls and laws hurt our libtery and our ablity to limit power. If everyone agrees with the government, then the government can do anything it wants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/03/2008
- victoriajubilee See Profile I'm a Fan of victoriajubilee permalink

Senator Obama does not want to play any race card ,you do .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 04/03/2008
- ddlrid See Profile I'm a Fan of ddlrid permalink

No...you and a host of faux news, limbaugh, repubs and clinton supporters need to keep bringing up 'race issues.' It's the only way you feel like you have a chance. Transparent and pathetic...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 04/03/2008
- MichaelTenery See Profile I'm a Fan of MichaelTenery permalink

It's my opinion that when she says she is the most transparent candidate this is what she means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:53 PM on 04/03/2008
- peskyliberal See Profile I'm a Fan of peskyliberal permalink

Please recount the usage of the race card by Obama.

If you can't, please STFU...thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 04/03/2008
- KimberlyKay See Profile I'm a Fan of KimberlyKay permalink

Since Senator Obama has not once used the race card (and it probably would not benefit him if he did) I have no idea why you believe this. I support Senator Obama for a myriad of reasons, but first among them is that he is the only candidate who offers us a change in process.

Why is a change in process important? Because the current process yields us nothing but partisan bickering, petty fights and such wonderous results as HMO's, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, wonderous bursting housing bubbles, crumbling schools and soaring health care costs --- not to mention a war in Iraq that makes us less safe that should neither have been authorized nor waged. Senator Obama calls us to participate again in the process in a meaningful way. He offers us televised healthcare hearings which we can watch and make our voices heard. No transformative change has happened in this Country unless we, the People, either start it ourselves, or we fully support our government in seeking it. Senator Obama understands this, while the other candidates do not. This is why I support Senator Obama.

Can Senator Obama help move us past racial divides? It is possible, but one man cannot do much on this issue. This would be a great side-effect, but not a reason to elect a President especially following 7+ years of incompetence, corruption and sadness that my Government cannot seem to do anything right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 04/03/2008
- JohnTalbutt See Profile I'm a Fan of JohnTalbutt permalink

Actually it is the opposite. Obama is in intelligence, organizing ability and communication skills superior to Hillary or McCain. His opposition to the war and other issues also find him more compatible with the majority of voters. Finally, the strong moral values he has expressed and demonstrated in his issue oriented clean and issue oriented campaign is very appealing. If he were white he would be way ahead of where he is now.

That is why Hillary's supporters keep bringing up race. Oh, you just did that. You sly dog. You had me fooled for a moment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/03/2008
- patapsco99 See Profile I'm a Fan of patapsco99 permalink

Hey guy,
You better check Obama's vote record, he voted for 20 senate propsals that supported the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 04/03/2008
- Paul See Profile I'm a Fan of Paul permalink

Hillary is a political zombie. Can't win but won't die.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/03/2008
- LBM See Profile I'm a Fan of LBM permalink

It's ridiculous to say that the only state with upcoming primaries that matters is the one that Obama is leading in. She has a lead in both Pennsylvania and Indiana. Why won't those be Obama's graveyard?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 04/03/2008
- KimberlyKay See Profile I'm a Fan of KimberlyKay permalink

Because to overcome Senator Obama's pledged delegate (representing votes cast) lead, Senator Clinton would need to win all of the remaining contests by 64%. Should she fail to win any contest, this unlikely possibility transforms into a impossibility. Of course, if you believe 3/4 of the superdelegates should ignore the leader in the pledged delegate count, they could do this tomorrow. It would be better if they did this sooner, rather than later, because such a decision will divide the Democratic party for more than 2 months (the time between the August convention and the election) and possibly for more than 2 decades. So, get your arguments ready and do it soon if this is your proposal. I support Senator Obama, but it is critically important to me that the Oval Office be occupied by a Democrat come January 9, 2009 -- how about you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 04/03/2008
- INDYBIGT See Profile I'm a Fan of INDYBIGT permalink

Um, I think it has to do with the number of delegates won to date, the expected outcome of the races you mentioned, and the fact that our state, North Carolina, is waking up to the fact that we matter in the primary for once and we are sick of Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:24 PM on 04/03/2008
- getrealalready See Profile I'm a Fan of getrealalready permalink

I guess I will issue my statement right here on the corporate underground press:
Now hear this: The Media Should Stop Controlling the Vote of The American People.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/03/2008