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Chris Wallace, Bill Kristol Chat Up An Iraq War Fantasy

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Today on Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace and Bill Kristol had themselves a tidy little conversation on an Iraq War. I say "an" Iraq War, because whatever this Iraq War they were talking about bore very little resemblance to the one the rest of us have come to know and love. Allow us to provide some annotations.

WALLACE: Now [Petraeus is] expected to report some progress, call for a pause in July after the troop surge drawdown, and after he makes his report, to head back to Baghdad.

You have to love how Wallace glosses a "progress report", a "drawdown" and a "pause." So much mythmaking and dishonesty! When Petraeus last testified, he blew smoke up everyone's behinds about the "Surge" working, and said, "Guess what! It's been so great, we're going to withdraw some troops!" But the troop withdrawal he spoke about had nothing to do with the success of the "Surge." It was a drawdown that could not be avoided because our forces were so overextended. Bad enough that Petraeus tried then to pass off being hamstrung as a sign of "progress," here we have Wallace, glibly conflating the coming "Pause" - a halt to even necessary drawdown - as a function of "success."

Bill, why is it so less of a pressing story, so less of a headline news this week than it was in September?

I love it when the media pulls out their looking glasses and starts directing their queries to them, don't you? "Wow. Why aren't we covering this story?"

KRISTOL: Well, because it's more evident that the surge has worked and we're on course to a satisfactory outcome of the war, first of all.

In a perfect world, some giant cartoon stamp would have sprung from the side of the screen and branded Kristol an idiot. The "surge" has been a non-factor and the events of the previous two weeks have been a sad, but clear sign of this, as Mudtada al-Sadr effortlessly disrupted the peace, exposed the central government as inept, and helped to strengthen the regional position of Iran in one fell swoop. It simply cannot be credibly said that Americans are having any meaningful influence over the "outcome" of Iraq, and frankly, we're long past being able to consider any likely outcome "satisfactory," unless the whole idea behind the Iraq war was to install a Sharia regime that would be both permanently dependent upon our largess and poisonously resentful of it.

Secondly, because the Democrats made fools of themselves when they attacked Petraeus, and the most famous one, of course, was Hillary Clinton, who said it would take a willing suspension of disbelief to believe what General Petraeus was saying.

If anything, the Democrats were foolish to show as much deference to Petraeus as they did! They were put in office to steer us from this disastrous path!

And of course, what he was saying was true. And General Petraeus is an honorable man. And Hillary Clinton should be the last person to talk about willing suspensions of disbelief, I would say, in light of recent stories she's concocted.

Indeed. I forget how many soldiers died because Clinton lied about what happened in Tuzla. Could someone please remind me?

So I think Petraeus will do fine. And for me, you know, what's impressive about Petraeus and Odierno and Ambassador Crocker is this -- people worry, I've worried, can our government even function.

Ha. I think Kristol is just projecting his own self-doubt, here.

And we're so bad at doing a lot of things, it seems, these days. And here we have people who've come up through the military and through the foreign service doing really an exemplary job. I mean, this is not politics. This is just taking a very tough situation when they went over there over 1.5 years ago and really turning it around.

Naturally, the "very tough situation" that existed a year and half ago was built from the ground up by people like Bill Kristol. I don't hear a whole lot of taking responsibility here, just a whole lot of denial. Eternal sunshine of the spotty mind.

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PNAC co-founder, a regular cheerleader for Perpetual War on "alternative" news outlet like Jon Stewart, Kristol wouldn't be so smug if the system worked as it's supposed to.

On the other hand, it's probably a waste of money trying to pin this guy because he can always flee to his other homeland, whose citizens can't be extradited. "Well, isn't that convenient ?!" as the Church Lady would say...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 04/07/2008

As we on the left wax poetically about what could have been if the supreme court hadn't stepped in and taken the unconstitutional step of appointing moron* and instead allowing the democratic process do it's job and give us Al Gore to shepherd this nation with reason, the ultra right neo-con nut jobs wax poetically about what could have been if they had crushed Iraq in their fantastic dream of a "quick" war and ponder what other nations they could have occupied.

could anything be more bizarre?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 04/07/2008

kristol needs to crawl back into whatever smoky crevice he crawled from and take wallace with him.

And PLEASE Huffpo stop putting his smirking face on the front page. It's enough to make me lose my breakfast.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 04/07/2008

Why doesn't anyone ever bring up the number of private mercenary troops in Iraq?

There are 180,000-plus of them, and about 140,000 regular armed forces in Iraq, which means the US really has more troops there than before or AFTER our glorious "surge," and things are still fucked up, so what's wrong with this picture?

Kristol, Wallace, and all the other Neocons must be having one hell of a laugh over this one! First, they sold the public on the idea of "liberating" the Iraqis, then "giving" them democracy, and now we're going to be their "partners" for the next 100 or so years so we really don't have to leave afterall.

There! Everything's fixed! We won, Big Oil gets what it wants, Big Business, too (unlimited and infinite government-funded defense contracts), Bush's legacy is secured, the sky is blue, and the grass is green.

Everything is wonderful in Bushworld!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 AM on 04/07/2008

The question that needs to be asked of whoever is responsible for leading the armed forces on the ground in Iraq is, "When the order comes to end the occupation, what will you need to carry out your orders? "

One can only hope that someone is elected Commander-in-Chief who will make the decision to end the disastrous occupation. There appears to be no way to "win" a political objective by military means. There is the possibility of making the political decision to end the disastrous military occupation of a third world country by the armed forces of the strongest nation on Earth, but only if enough people can find the courage to reject the fear tactics of the Republicans, and their propaganda wing, Faux News.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 AM on 04/07/2008

Awkward having to say something nice about Hillary in The Huffington Post, but at least you said it. Credit to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 04/07/2008

Ironically, Wallace directs his questions to the man, Kristol, who has gotten evrything to date about the war wrong. Wallace always frames his questions using GOP talking points. The "drawdown" he discusses is just a return to troop levels prior to the surge, actually they are slightly higher. Keeping the troops at current levels is said to break the army.

Despite the fact of a major uprising by al-Sadr forces, Kristol still insists the surge has worked. Never mind that a thousand or so in the Iraqi army decided not to fight against al-Sadr and that Al-Maliki had to turn to Iran to negotiate a cease fire.

And then these two satirists do what is always done on Fox news, they intellectually lazily change the subject to the Clintons. Any attack on the Clintons is welcome on Fox, even if it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The only honest remark was when Kristol said "I've worried, can our government even function?" It cannot. Anyone who can stomach Fox can stomach huge amounts of intellectual dishonesty and condescension. Wallace demonstrates, as with his interview with John Kerry, his interviews are little more than GOP sugar-coated suspensions of disbelief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 AM on 04/07/2008

Bill Kristol is what makes people hate Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 04/07/2008

He is a personification of the ugly American- arrogant, unthinking, condescending.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 04/07/2008

Self-congratulations often require a "proxy" -- and even Hillary doesn't have an acceptable one of those, when it comes to our War On Iraq (the 'Front Against Imagined Terror' that Bill Kristol and Hillary Clinton both enabled George W. to open up, to our collective, American detriment).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 04/07/2008

Barack has also supported our troops like Hillary has.Thank God he had the courage to do the right thing finally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 04/07/2008

I'm waiting for the email to come in from Move-On so I can preview the next Petraeus of Betray-US ad. I think they should run the exact same one again. Make politics uncomfortable for the Dems until they quit being spineless and use the power of the purse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 04/07/2008

I've got dish network and would have to pay extra to get Faux, I'm soo glad I don't have it, makes life just that much better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 04/07/2008

I wish I could get rid of Fox, as well. They are awful. Intellectual dishonesty has a home there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 AM on 04/07/2008

Why is this idiot given ANY air time? The man has ZERO credibility. He has been spectacularly wrong on just about every projection he's made, right from the "They'll welcome us with flowers and sweets" and that it is "pop psychology that the Shia can"t get along with the Sunni and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime."

You can see the connection between his ludicrous positions and his neocon ideology a mile away in dense fog. (Rhetorically) who's backing him and paying for him to get exposure and why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 04/07/2008

Zero credibility and jingoism gets one airtime on Fox.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 AM on 04/07/2008

To put it bluntly Bill Kristol, who I have observed for almost 3 decades from watching too much C-SPAN, is a maggot who loves to feed on the dead corpses his inspiration creates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 04/07/2008

If Kristol were a baseball manager, he would be 0 wins and 10,000 or so losses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 AM on 04/07/2008

Gee I guess these two morons at Faux News haven't seen enough blood and money thrown down the black hole, one could only hope to see them doing "live" coverage from Basra, or better yet, Sadar City.
You go over there boys and do a story on how well it's going, I'm sure McBush can send over Lie-Berman and Lindsay to tell you what to say, and help you shop.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 04/06/2008

Yes, and if a political party wanted to spend $10 dollars in America they would yell "socialism." Yet, they love to see billions thrown away in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 AM on 04/07/2008

Billy Kristol and the dreamers. We've all heard this tune before. Here is a list of their greatest hit. Whatever occurs, that means the surge is working. Fewer American deaths. The surge is working. More American deaths well they're desperate because the surge is working. We remove some troops for Afghanistan. Of course because the surge is working. We send in even more troops Certainly we have them on the run. We must advance harder because the surge is working. The surge fixes everything except Billy and his dreamers courage to suit up and help fight in the surge. At the point in this invasion it cost them wealth, or puts them in harms way, only then would it have to stop. Billy and the dreamers. They don't play guitars they just pluck their lyres.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 04/06/2008

bill kristol seems to be doing a bus-man's imitation of william f. buckley. not very lofty aspirations, if you ask me. buckley was a trust fund baby who hated welfare, and never, ever picked up on the fact that there wasn't much difference in the two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 04/06/2008

Kristol is a disgrace. I doubt even Buckley would have cheered this war to such an extent. In fact, he may have opposed it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 AM on 04/07/2008

Somebody really needs to ask General Petraeus on air - and probably rather deceitfully with the "off the record" caveat (perhaps that Scottish reporter?) - if he thinks the surge would have been nearly as effective if Al Qaeda hadn't have been stupid enough to blow up the Sunni, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 04/06/2008

Can anyone ever imagine either Wallace or Kristol serving the U.S.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 04/06/2008

How about as weather ballons over the Anarctic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 04/07/2008

Maybe it's a good sign when the propaganda is this transparent and absurd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 04/06/2008

Yes, it is rather funny in its transparency. It is as if they have given up on the truth completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 AM on 04/07/2008

Kristol literally makes my skin crawl.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 04/06/2008

Agreed. I am a pacifist but he makes me want to not be one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 04/07/2008

Chief among the laws the neocons have exempted themselves from: the Law of Unintended Consequences. That's why they can't help but "win" the occupation of Iraq. That's why they would have won in Vietnam. That's why there's no recession. That's why there's no civil war in Iraq. That's why deficits don't matter. That's why Rush is right. That's why the pendulum will never swing back .

Their fear is palpable. So much so that I must excuse myself and fondle it some more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 04/06/2008

The neocons very rise to power is an example of the Law of Unintended Consequences. They are one of the very unfortunate groups of complete ideologues in our history. So few of these warmongers have military experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 AM on 04/07/2008

Adolf Krystal is a nazi war criminal and a zionist pig..sorry pigs..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 04/06/2008

Kristol is a war criminal

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 04/06/2008

And here i thought Hollywood was the Lala-la land but Chris wallace, Bill kristol and the rest of The Fox&Bush and co makes the movie Enchanted look real

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 04/06/2008

Back in the old days we used to call that kind of conversation a circle-jerk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 04/06/2008

Does HP pay Jason danger money or some other form of extra compensation to watch these vapid talking heads excreting flatulent words? Jason is to be commended for tolerating these unfortunate sounds as he listens for a spin free word or so from the bubbles of these talking heads. It's a tedious ordeal for Jason. It's a tribute to his skill as a reporter when he composes a literate transcript of these less than lucid words emitted by these long time residents of bubbles. He might consider teaching the art of listening to nonsense & rendering a lucid transcription of the word salad coverd with a most viscous[sp?] & thick layer of a dressing to disguise the rancid flavor of these rotten emissions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 04/06/2008

Bill Kristol. You could call him an elitist. Nah just call him a dick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 04/06/2008
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