McCain Gets Facts Wrong On Iraq Again

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First Posted: 04- 6-08 01:00 PM   |   Updated: 08- 4-08 05:14 PM

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Facts can be funny things.

Over the past several weeks, Sen. John McCain has been occasionally tripping over them in his advocacy for continuing America's presence in Iraq. Most memorably, he repeated - three times - the assertion that Iran was arming al-Qaeda despite the fact that there is no known connection between country and the group, and that the two are clearly of different religions.

On Sunday, McCain made another Iraq-based claim that is highly debatable if not simply false.

As Think Progress was first to point out, appearing on Fox News Sunday, the Arizona Republican stated that the recent flair up of violence in Basra was ended after Shiite cleric, Muqtada al-Sadr declared a ceasefire. This, he said, was proof that Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government was gaining the upper hand, both militarily and politically.



"It was al-Sadr that declared the ceasefire, not Maliki," said McCain. "With respect, I don't think Sadr would have declared the ceasefire if he thought he was winning. Most times in history, military engagements, the winning side doesn't declare the ceasefire. The second point is, overall, the Iraqi military performed pretty well. ... The military is functioning very effectively."

It is a convenient interpretation for a candidate who later went on to tout the political successes of the American troop surge. But it seems to contradict almost all news accounts from last week. Indeed, it was the Iranian government and members of Maliki's government who brokered the ceasefire, not Sadr. McClatchy newspapers wrote in its lead paragraph:

"Iraqi lawmakers traveled to the Iranian holy city of Qom over the weekend to win the support of the commander of Iran's Qods brigades in persuading Shiite cleric Muqtada al Sadr to order his followers to stop military operations."

Moreover, in the process of fighting Sadr, at least 1,000 of Maliki's troops deserted the battle. McCain tried to put a good face on this too, by reminding viewers that, slightly more than a year ago that number would have been much higher. But that too ignores the testimony of many Iraq experts who suggest that far from showing the strength of Maliki's forces, the recent battle in Basra did little but make Sadr stronger. As Jonathan Steele wrote in The Guardian:

"Iraq's prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki...has emerged with his authority severely weakened. ... Meanwhile, Moqtada al-Sadr, the target of the assault, comes out of the crisis strengthened. His militiamen gave no ground and, by declaring a ceasefire that has successfully held since Sunday, Sadr has demonstrated his authority and the discipline of his men."

Keep reading here and here for HuffPost's earlier coverage of McCain's Iraq gaffes.

Facts can be funny things. Over the past several weeks, Sen. John McCain has been occasionally tripping over them in his advocacy for continuing America's presence in Iraq. Most memorably, he repeate...
Facts can be funny things. Over the past several weeks, Sen. John McCain has been occasionally tripping over them in his advocacy for continuing America's presence in Iraq. Most memorably, he repeate...
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- dogstar7 I'm a Fan of dogstar7 4 fans permalink
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Sen. John McCain doesn't understand who is who in Iraq, what the conditions are on the ground and who's winning from day to day...in which case he's 100% in-line with most of the American public.

Stop anyone on the street any day of the week and ask them who the players in Basra were. Indeed, ask them to find Basra on the map...or Iraq itself for that matter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 04/06/2008
- jsinclair I'm a Fan of jsinclair 14 fans permalink

That may be, but this is his JOB. He deals with issues related to Iraq, Basra, al-Sadr, etc. ALL THE TIME.

If you make a mistake once, sure, it could be normal fatigue. But over and over? He is a very weak Republican candidate in terms of intellect.­...princip­les....vit­ality....a­nd charisma. Even after he left office, Reagan could still get the camera to keep up the illusion for him of youth and charisma. Even at the '92 convention, they didn't let him speak until AFTER prime time, and he was still the best one of the entire convention.

McCain doesn't have that charisma and he doesn't compensate for it with an amazing grasp of policy. You can often see him struggling over simple things that he should easily know. Often, I want him to stop speaking and go rest for a while. It's painful to watch.

A debate between McCain and Obama will be very interesting, but I bet we won't see very many of them. Maybe only one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 04/06/2008
- JohnKemp I'm a Fan of JohnKemp 26 fans permalink

If only the rest of us Americans could keep up with Super-Obama; you know, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound? Faster than a speeding bullet? More powerful than a locomotive?

Just curious; does this one get me past the HuffPo censors?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 04/06/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 119 fans permalink
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Unfortunately....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 04/06/2008

Still living in fear of a black man? Typical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 04/06/2008
- JohnKemp I'm a Fan of JohnKemp 26 fans permalink

So overcome with guilt that you'd vote for any Black man? Typical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 04/06/2008

wrong thread - this one is about mccain screwing up again... and again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 04/06/2008

He hasn't leaped any tall buildings, he just has a brain and you think he's leaping tall buildings! Most of us keep up just fine, but perhaps in the general election he'll release a version of his thoughts with smaller words, just for you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 04/06/2008
- JohnKemp I'm a Fan of JohnKemp 26 fans permalink

I doubt it.

Probably be too busy praying with his most reverend mentor Jeremiah Wright to release a version of anyhing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 04/06/2008
- December7 I'm a Fan of December7 2 fans permalink


McCain: Obama 'Absolutely' Qualified to Be President

By Zachary A. Goldfarb
Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, said Sunday that the leader for the Democratic nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, would be "absolutely" qualified to be president, should the voters elect him.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-talk/2008/04/mccain_obama_absolutely_qualif.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 04/06/2008
- axt113 I'm a Fan of axt113 2 fans permalink

That was nice of him, but no one questions that he isn't a good man, what we question is his competence, namely on Iraq and the economy, both of which have been found wanting

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 04/06/2008

The woman candidate is constantly getting caught making up facts while the old guy can't remember them. Could make for a completely nonsensical campaign in the fall should Hillary find away to steal to nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 04/06/2008
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This is now a "dog bites man" headline. A "man bites dog" headline would be "McCain gets facts right on Iraq".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 04/06/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 56 fans permalink
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How true!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 04/06/2008
- lee4 I'm a Fan of lee4 3 fans permalink

I'll bet he'd score poorly on a mini mental.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 04/06/2008
- suntzu I'm a Fan of suntzu 16 fans permalink
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OMG, has the swiftboating of McCain begun? Only thing is, he's dong it to himself. How can he expect to be CIC? No way, John. Time to retire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 04/06/2008
- DASM I'm a Fan of DASM 8 fans permalink

How this man can even pretend to be knowledgable about Iraq, war, & foreign policy is the most blatant example of an ignorant opportunist I have ever seen. He flip-flops each day, he reveals his total lack of any understanding of the players in the war, their names, and the ongoing violence`there. To him, all is rosy & happy. Please, someone, send him & his Stepford wife over there for 2 weeks, no protection, & see what he has to say, if he even survives the first few hours. What an incompetent hack. And some people want this dolt as the president? Then let them reap what they sow. And frankly, they are sowing stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 04/06/2008

What's stupid is some moron behind a keyboard thinking he knows more about Iraq than John McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 04/06/2008

mccain can't tell the difference between iran and iraq. now that is stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 04/06/2008

At least Senator McLame recognizes that facts have not been relevant for at least 8 of the last 7 years ot this administration. He obviously plans to continue this New World Order of revisionist current events and history of our country, if and when elected. The MSM seems inclined to give him a pass on the idea, which is a really bad sign for US democracy in the coming decades. If Rupert Murdoch is appointed MacCane's press secretary, it will be only Disney channel until our cable TV is removed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 04/06/2008

Its is really funny how the "closet repubs" have so many comments about the dems race, in fact to the point of trying to divide the party.Its OK though, their candidate is dry and is the same candidate that they elected to terms who in fact they ended up not liking anyway i.e polls on Bush popularity ratings. Please McCain supporters tell me five reasons why your electorate will be SO motivated to vote. Your party is demoralized, broke, ravaged by scandal and only motivated by the possibility of disaffected dems voters switching parties. PUL-leeze, articlulate some common sense approaches to the failed policies of your "great uniter" and tell me why you think your candidate actually has a chance against the stigma attached to your party by your esteemed President George Hoover..oops Walker Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 04/06/2008
- deedrdo I'm a Fan of deedrdo 6 fans permalink

it's ronald reagan all over again.

help me, mommy!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 04/06/2008
- JohnKemp I'm a Fan of JohnKemp 26 fans permalink

Well, we can always hope.

Thank God it's not LBJ, Jimmy or the Slickmeister.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 04/06/2008
- TAC I'm a Fan of TAC 23 fans permalink
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"it's ronald reagan all over again."

Or Abe Simpson...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 04/06/2008
- PACRAT I'm a Fan of PACRAT 2 fans permalink

McShame wrong again?

Not as long as he has Joe Liebermouse around to correct him! Look, the poor guy was tortured way back in history when there was a so-called "war" in Vietnam - brainwashed and spin dried! Most Americans think of the Vietnam War as ancient history - look what happened to John Kerry when he "reported for duty." Yes, John still thinks that he is strolling though an Indiana farmers' market!

So, Johnny's daddy was an admiral and so was his granddaddy - should that make John the president?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 04/06/2008
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Just for your information, when 58,000 plus American troops die it is not a"so-called "war!" I was a crewchief on a Huey in 1968/69 pulling wounded out of the jungles and the crew of my ship never referred to it as a so-called "war." So don't refer to it that way again. You demean me and eveyone else who were drafted and fought in another illegal and unnecessary war! McInsane volunteered to fight in that war as Darth would point out. The fact that he choose to stay and get tortured should tell everyone how his mind works. He saw it as being noble and heoric when a sane, rational person would have seen it for what it truly was, foolhardy and stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 04/06/2008

Handyman, in case no one has mentioned this, many if not most of those who opposed the war in Nam were aware of the unfairness of it. I have never spoken against those who serve and have served. I do think anyone who says what that piece of filth, dick cheney, said a short while back, that those who died "had volunteered" ought to be horsewhipped and castrated with a rusty pocketknife. I've already volunteered for the firing squad for cheney/bus­h/rumsfeld­/wolfowitz­(spelling)­/yoo/gonza­les so I may as well quote a Harry Potter book and say "might as well be hanged for a dragon as an egg" and volunteer for that too. I was and am opposed to the removal of the draft. If we had it, we wouldn't have so many harping on the "romance" of this mess. My apologies to you and all those who were in Viet Nam and got the shitty end of the stick when you returned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 04/06/2008

So, what’s up? Why is McCain posturing in the Blur Zone again? Why does he repeatedly make the same associations or errors? We have to look at the results to find out. The results are our reactions. What effects do his errors have on us? On the media? Masters of distraction and fabrication, the republicans manipulate our perceptions by often controlling the blurry political telescope we the people are privy to. While we're arguing over here, what's happening over there that's important?

Is Iran now a distraction from that conversation about Iraq? No one's invading Iran. Let's not allow McCain and Bush to control all the political telescopes. One thing we know for sure is that McCain wants to be in Iraq for up to 100 years provided that no American, civilian or soldier, is harmed or killed. So why hasn’t anyway asked him his plan for withdrawing ALL troops the moment that first American is harmed or killed in Iraq? Does he plan a mass exodus the moment it happens? I keep waiting for someone, anyone, to bring it up to him. Is that a closed conversation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 04/06/2008
- gotalife I'm a Fan of gotalife 22 fans permalink

Now you know why they sent him on a biography tour.

He is clueless on the issues.

It does not matter, the gop will get him elected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 04/06/2008
- kenfoh I'm a Fan of kenfoh 2 fans permalink

John and his people are counting on Americans being ignorant of what is really going on in the World. There are a few problems with this plan. 1. Military people are coming back from war every day and reporting back to their family and friends "whats really going on" and before someone calls them traitors maybe they should shut up and remind themselves that they have not been over there and if they have then they should know better. 2. Average, every-day Americans are paying more attention in their own right, with news and information more available than ever, if someone is willing to look at different sources and use their brains instead of taking some pundit's word for it, then people can get a pretty good grip on the "real deal." especially if they listen to those people coming back home (see number 1). 3. The current regime has done the country a big favor by showing to everyone who is paying attention what you get when you trust these sorts of groups. John is not George...no... but his stances are not far from G.W. and Americans are smart enough to figure it out because after all it is obvious and undeniable. 4. John has betrayed those of us who actually supported him for many years by pandering to the far right wing and flip-flopping every few days.

If we elect John McCain we deserve him.... I just do not think we will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 04/06/2008
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