Petraeus Iraq Hearings: General Testifies To Congress

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First Posted: 04- 7-08 08:28 AM   |   Updated: 04-15-08 05:12 AM

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McCain Wants To Avoid Looking Like "Eager Cheerleader": The New York Times notes that John McCain "risks looking like an eager cheerleader if he heaps too many accolades on General Petraeus." So the senator's advisers "say he will also question the general closely about the recent assault against Shiite militias in Basra, when more than 1,000 Iraqi soldiers and police officers refused to fight or abandoned their posts. The battle cast doubt on the effectiveness of the American-trained security forces, another likely line of questioning for Mr. McCain, as it was in September."

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While Petraeus Prepares To Testify, Violence Erupts: Some news clips from this morning:

Reuters: "Iraq attacks up as U.S. officials to testify-- Attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces in Baghdad increased sharply in March, the U.S. military said on Tuesday."


LA Times: Fighting intensifies in Iraq's capital: Three U.S. troops are killed in Baghdad on the eve of Gen. David H. Petraeus' testimony before Congress-- Three more U.S. troops were killed Monday as Iraqis struggled to bury their dead amid fierce street battles between Shiite Muslim militias and Iraqi and American soldiers in the nation's capital.

New York Times: Crackdown on Militias Raises Stability Concerns -- A crackdown on the Mahdi Army militia is creating potentially destabilizing political and military tensions in Iraq, pitting a stronger government alliance against the force that has won past showdowns: the street power wielded by the radical cleric Moktada al-Sadr.

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Little Hope For Improved Security Before New President In '09: Reuters reports that Petraeus will offer little hope for improved security before a new president is sworn in in January:

The top U.S. commander in Iraq presents a long-awaited progress report to Congress on Tuesday but will offer little hope for improved security before a new American president takes over in January.


All three contenders for the U.S. presidency will be among the senators questioning Gen. David Petraeus, who is expected to say he will interrupt a series of troop withdrawals in July to evaluate security conditions.


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Iraq Hearings Become Forum For Presidential Candidates: The AP reports that David Petraeus' testimony before Congress on the effectiveness of the surge gives the presidential candidates an opportunity to offer their own analysis:

When Army Gen. David Petraeus delivers his assessment of the Iraq war next week, the next commander in chief will weigh in as well.


Republican Sen. John McCain will get a chance to argue that last year's U.S. troop buildup has been a success and withdrawal would be a mistake. Democratic Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama will have an opportunity to ask why the United States is still fighting more than five years after the invasion.

Keep reading here.

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Iraq And Reality: The Nation lists 5 important realities to keep in mind during Petraeus' testimony:

1. The situation in Iraq is getting worse: Don't believe anyone who says otherwise. The surge-ified, "less violent" Iraq the general has presided over so confidently is, in fact, a chaotic, violent tinderbox of city states, proliferating militias armed to the teeth, competing regions armed to the teeth, and competing religious factions armed to the teeth. Worse yet, under Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, the U.S. has been the great proliferator. It has armed and funded close to 100,000 Sunnis organized into militias reportedly intent on someday destroying "the Iranians" (i.e. the Maliki government)...


2. The Bush administration has no learning curve. Its top officials are unable to absorb the realities of Iraq (or the region) and so, like the generals of World War I, simply send their soldiers surging "over the top" again and again, with minor changes in tactics, to the same dismal end.

Keep reading here.

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A Timeline Of Iraq War And Troop Levels: Troop levels will be a contentious issue during the hearings as fears grow that our military has been overextended by the surge. The AP has a timeline of the major events in the Iraq war and corresponding U.S. troop levels:

March 2003 _ U.S. troops invade Iraq: 192,000.


May 2003 _ President Bush declares the end of major combat: 146,000.

January 2005 _ First post-invasion Iraqi election: 159,000.

October 2005 _ Iraqi referendum on the constitution: 157,000.

December 2005 _Iraqi parliamentary elections: 152,000.

June 2006 _ Lowest troop level since July 2004: 125,000.

September 2006 _ Escalating insurgent violence: 147,000.

January 2007 _ Bush announces troop "surge" plan: 137,000.

October 2007 _Troop buildup peaks: 170,000.

March 2008 _ U.S. troop deaths reach 4,000: 158,000.

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The Violence In Basra
: TIME magazine's Joe Klein writes that an important thing to watch for is if Petraeus has the same reading as McCain does on the violence in Shiite-dominated Basra:

One of the key things to watch is if Petraeus reads Basra the same way as John McCain did today on Fox news:


"It was al-Sadr that declared the ceasefire, not Maliki," said McCain. "With respect, I don't think Sadr would have declared the ceasefire if he thought he was winning. Most times in history, military engagements, the winning side doesn't declare the ceasefire. The second point is, overall, the Iraqi military performed pretty well. ... The military is functioning very effectively."

This is a fundamental misreading of Sadr's aim and of the situation. McCain seems to think that Sadr--who didn't start the fight--has a military goal in the south. On the contrary, Sadr's goal is political: he--or the political experts in the Sadrist movement--hope to do very well in the local elections next October. The Sadrist goal is to hold on to the neighborhoods they control, so their vote won't be stolen (and so they can do unto Dawa and ISCI electorally in those neighborhoods that which theyDawa and ISCI want to do unto them).

Keep reading here.

McCain also delivered a speech about Iraq in advance of Petraeus' testimony. Here is an excerpt:

But there is no doubt about the basic reality in Iraq: we are no longer staring into the abyss of defeat, and we can now look ahead to the genuine prospect of success. Success in Iraq is the establishment of a generally peaceful, stable, prosperous, democratic state that poses no threat to its neighbors and contributes to the defeat of terrorists. It is the advance of religious tolerance over violent radicalism. It is a level of security that allows the Iraqi authorities to govern, the average person to live a normal life, and international entities to operate. It is a situation in which the rule of law, after decades of tyranny, takes hold. It is an Iraq where Iraqi forces have the responsibility for enforcing security in their country, and where American troops can return home, with the honor of having secured their country's interests at great personal cost, and helping another people achieve peace and self-determination.

Read the full speech here.

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It's Not All About The Candidates: While most of the focus will be on the presidential candidates, the Politico reminds us "that there are other aspects of the hearing worth watching for":

How will the parties spin the issues?


How will Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.) use his first big public stage as the new Foreign Affairs chairman?

What have House leaders learned from the last round of Petraeus-Crocker hearings?

And what will CodePink and MoveOn do this time around?

Keep reading here.

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The President And His General: Democrats will likely question Petraeus very closely on whether he has been willing to give Bush information that is contrary to Bush's upbeat assessments of Iraq's security situation. As the Washington Post reports, Bush has given Petraeus a privileged voice among his military advisers:


In the waning months of his administration, Bush has hitched his fortunes to those of his bookish four-star general, bypassing several levels of the military chain of command to give Petraeus a privileged voice in White House deliberations over Iraq, according to current and former administration officials and retired officers. In so doing, Bush's working relationship with his field commander has taken on an intensity that is rare in the history of the nation's wartime presidents.


Bush's reliance on Petraeus has made other military officials uneasy, has rankled congressional Democrats and has created friction that helped spur the departure last month of Adm. William J. "Fox" Fallon, who, while Petraeus's boss as chief of U.S. Central Command, found his voice eclipsed on Iraq.

Keep reading here.

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Where The Money Could Have Gone: Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office has calculated that the U.S. spends about $339 million a day in Iraq. Ahead of Petraeus' testimony, the Speaker has released a list of what we could have used that money for:

- 2,060 more Border Patrol agents could be hired to protect our borders for a year.


- 18,000 more students could receive Pell Grants to help them attend college for a year.

- 48,000 homeless veterans could be provided with a place to live for a year.

- 317,000 more kids could receive every recommended vaccination for a year.

- 955,000 families could get help with their energy bills through the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) for a year.

Keep reading here.

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McCain's Allies Go On Offense: Senators Joe Lieberman and Lindsay Graham, two of McCain's chief allies in the Senate, took to the Op-Ed page of the Wall Street Journal to promote their version of Iraq's situation the day before Petraeus's testimony:

When Gen. David Petraeus testifies before Congress tomorrow, he will step into an American political landscape dramatically different from the one he faced when he last spoke on Capitol Hill seven months ago.


This time Gen. Petraeus returns to Washington having led one of the most remarkably successful military operations in American history. His antiwar critics, meanwhile, face a crisis of credibility - having confidently predicted the failure of the surge, and been proven decidedly wrong.

Keep reading here.

Needless to say, there are others with a different assessment of Iraq's current situation ahead of Petraeus' testimony:


When Gen. David H. Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker brief Congress this week, they will be hard-pressed to depict Iraq as moving toward stability in the wake of recent violence that sent deaths soaring to their highest level in seven months.


Prime Minister Nouri Maliki's move against Shiite Muslim militias has revealed the gravity of the country's Shiite rivalries, just as U.S. forces are decreasing their presence.

The intense combat in southern Iraq that pitted Shiite cleric Muqtada Sadr's Mahdi Army against Iraqi and American forces has largely wound down for the time being, but the enmity that fueled it remains. Fighting between the two sides flared Sunday in Baghdad, leaving as many as 22 dead...

..."We are now locked in a battle," said a high-ranking Iraqi government official, who predicted more confrontations in the coming months. "I think this will be a hot summer in Iraq."

McCain Wants To Avoid Looking Like "Eager Cheerleader": The New York Times notes that John McCain "risks looking like an eager cheerleader if he heaps too many accolades on General Petraeus." So the s...
McCain Wants To Avoid Looking Like "Eager Cheerleader": The New York Times notes that John McCain "risks looking like an eager cheerleader if he heaps too many accolades on General Petraeus." So the s...
 
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The main thing to keep in mind, however, is that this was a war of aggression against a sovereign nation that had not attacked us, and it is now a police action. It is and was the "nation building" exercise that Bush promised he would not engage in.

One other thing to keep in mind: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Yoo, et al, still need to be tried for war crimes and put in jail for the rest of their worthless lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 04/08/2008
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 04/07/2008

The General and his prime cheerleader, McCain, will boast of reduced violence as a sign of progess with eternal peace and stability just around the corner. The truth remains far removed from this delusional fiction: the country has been turned into an ethnically cleansed series of armed / walled fiefdoms. In the south the Basra fiasco illustrated to all the strength of two entities: the mullah led Shiites and their giddy sponsor - Iran. The U.S. turned to bribery in order to placate the Sunni sectors: please take our money and weapons (we have always turned a blind eye to Saudi, Kuwaiti, and UAE complicity in the arming of the Sunni factions) and all we ask in return is you turn out the foreign elements of al Qaida who crossed into Iraq for the golden opportunity to blast away at vulnerable U.S. troops and/or Shiite civilians. In the north, the Kurds continue to consolidate their power base much to the chagrin of our former loyal allies - the Turks. This is progress, my friends. This must constitute "freedom on the march" with the blessings of democracy and prosperity to follow. One-hundred years of presence, indeed. One-hundred more years of no-bid contracts for Halliburton and BlackWater anyone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 04/07/2008
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after congress is done testing the limits of obsequiousness and has caved again to the military; the truly bipartisan support for this war will be totally re-established. here is where obama and clinton will sell out anti-war progressives. petraeus has control of the war. mccain sees through obama and hillary. he knows they are trying to avoid responsibility- not take control. so clinton and obama will come out in total acquiescent agreement with mccain not to get any civilian element in the army's way. then, with both democrats actually supporting the war and trying to sell another two decades of occupation, mccain will paint them as war opponents and tear them apart- even though they want to leave the military without civilian control just like he does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 04/07/2008

I don't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 04/07/2008
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what DO you think? anything?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 04/07/2008
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Any short testimony from Petraeus' boss Admiral Fallon would end this circus in a NY minute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 04/07/2008
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SULLIVAN: The latest revelations on the torture front show the memo from John Yoo...means that Don Rumsfeld, David Addington and John Yoo should not leave the United States any time soon. They will be, at some point, indicted for war crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 04/08/2008

If you thought politicians acted irresponsibly during the Clemens hearings, just wait until the Petraeus/Crocker testimony part two. How exactly will these elected bums treat a four star general, who served his country for most of his life, when he states that the military goals outlined in September have pretty much worked exactly as planned?

I'm predicting that the rhetoric will be much tamer this time around...which will infuriate the HuffPosters who can't wait to lynch any and all members of this administration.

Thanks in advance for the entertainment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:19 PM on 04/07/2008

The military tactics. Yep our best weapon, paying people off. This is well played politics by the Bush administration, it beautiful. Put a Army man out there with a combat infantry badge(CIB) to discuss the tactical, not the strategic success of the force increase in the occupation operation, I mean the WAR AGAINST TERRORISM, in front of a bunch of politicians.

We think little georgie ain't that smart? He is playing us like a fiddle. When we should be discussing regional strategy, we are instead talking to a general as if he is Zeus.
And those are the individuals who will guide McCains foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 04/07/2008

As a Canadian I know I will upset some Americans for having an opinion about the Iraq war and Pres Bush's policies. But since 82 Canadian soldiers have died in Afganistan (so far) helping to clean up that other war Bush started, I feel my opinion has merit.

I really believe that perhaps in 100 yrs or so Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield and Wolfowitz will be considered by history as war criminals. But as America is the world's only mega-power; these people are teflon coated (as in he who has the gold makes the rules).

Bush slandered NATO and the UN before the war and now he is actively recruiting them both to assist in the Persian Gulf. Bah! He will retire to his ranch and live securely and comfortably. Bah x10!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 04/07/2008

Softwoodslumber, you don't upset me. What upsets me is our pay to play Congress. The testimonies of both Admiral Fallon and Lt. Gen (ret.) Odom urged withdrawal, which is most likely why Fallon was sacked.

From the link I posted at IPS http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235

Fallon was strongly opposed to Petraeus's role as pitch man for the surge policy in Iraq adopted by Bush in December as putting his own interests ahead of a sound military posture in the Middle East and Southwest Asia -- the area for which Fallon's CENTCOM is responsible.

The CENTCOM commander believed the United States should be withdrawing troops from Iraq urgently, largely because he saw greater dangers elsewhere in the region. "He is very focused on Pakistan," said a source familiar with Fallon's thinking, "and trying to maintain a difficult status quo with Iran."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 04/07/2008

It is sad that someone who was competent was sacked. I keep throwing out Geopolitical Gems about Pakistan and HuffPost ignores half of them. They like so many don't get it. It will take only one assassination in Pakistan to bring us to the brink of WW III. I am not crazy about Musharraf but if he gets knocked off all hell will break lose and the troops we have in Iraq will be in a horrible strategic position. Of course this will bring about the "End Times" so the Bushies will really start crowing about what an awesome President he is. Oh yeah before some genius brings it up. The troops in Afghanistan can get out across the former Soviets Republics. A hostile Pakistan can close the Persian gulf. And don't count on a western exit lane for Iraq's troops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 PM on 04/07/2008

I think the opposite. I think history will view Bush 43 as a strong and visionary leader. There are many who think that the Iraqis are incapable of making peace with themselves, but I believe it is human nature to desire peace. But the people aren't going to believe in peace until they see security in their own communities.

The other important thing to remember about the liberation of the Iraqi people. Dictatorships that turn into democracies become more peaceful, not less peaceful. Countries that suffer from war and internal strife are generally not democracies or republics. (unless you really believe that Congo is truly a Republic)

What should happen is that peace in Iraq will cause the other dictatorships in the region to either become democratic or suffer unrest from its people. If we see this through in Iraq, it will be proven once and for all that the desire for freedom is stronger than the desire for Jihad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 04/07/2008

With the exception of that poo about Bush being a strong and visionary leader, you sound just like a liberal. timothe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 04/07/2008
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There is no freedom or liberation in Iraq. Hundreds of thousands are dead, displaced, or discarded. Wars of aggression are crimes. Bush will be viewed as a war criminal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 AM on 04/08/2008

And read the testimony given by Lt. General (ret.) William E. Odom, who called for immediate withdrawal, "rapidly but in good order." as he testified on April 2 before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Contrast what he said with what ass-kissing , steal-the-show Petraeus says next week.

From Gen Odom's testimony:

"...the surge is prolonging instability, not creating the conditions for unity as the president claims."

"Their break with al Qaeda should give us little comfort. The Sunnis welcomed anyone who would help them kill Americans, including al Qaeda. The concern we hear the president and his aides express about a residual base left for al Qaeda if we withdraw is utter nonsense. The Sunnis will soon destroy al Qaeda if we leave Iraq. The Kurds do not allow them in their region, and the Shiites, like the Iranians, detest al Qaeda. To understand why, one need only take note of the al Qaeda public diplomacy campaign over the past year or so on internet blogs. They implore the United States to bomb and invade Iran and destroy this apostate Shiite regime."

And something you WON'T hear Petraeus say, "As an aside, it gives me pause to learn that our vice president and some members of the Senate are aligned with al Qaeda on spreading the war to Iran."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 04/07/2008

this guy has been right for a long time. i appreciated his article whats the matter with cutting and running. as someone who has spent some quality time in the army, its comforting to hear a general speak that way. who was it that said, hell no we aren't retreating we are advancing in reverse.
these chickenhawks make me sick, we can't be defeated in iraq. if the military leaves iraq, the chickenhawk republicans declare that as defeat. odom disagrees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 04/07/2008

Petraeus's superior, Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM), derided Petraeus as a sycophant during their first meeting in Baghdad .., according to Pentagon sources familiar with reports of the meeting. Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be "an ass-kissing little chickenshit" and added, "I hate people like that", the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 04/07/2008
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We criticize McCain a lot. McCain is full of it. But, what about Hillary?

Here, listen to that woman talk:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=78e_1189619041

We can't have double standards. We shouldn't be hypocrites.

Unless we have Barack Obama in the White House early next year, the war in the Middle East is far from over. In fact, what we have seen thus far might just be the first phase of a muti-phase and a virtually perpetual war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 04/07/2008

Obama, Hillary and McCain all support keeping troops and contractors in Iraq in order to keep the pro-Ahmjadinejad Iraqi government in power. And as the Shia militias also support Ahmadinejad, whomever wins the Iraqi parliamentary elections in the fall will be pro-Iran. As the surge turned over control of various Shia area to the militias that already controlled them, violence went down. Last year McCain was able to go to the Shura market with 100 flak-jacketedarmed-to-the-teeth US troops and 6 helicopters to protect him. This year, just a couple of weeks ago McCain couldn't even go the Shura market because it was under the control of the Mahdi Army militia controlled by al Sadr. But Ahmadinejad was given a hero's welcome when he came to Badhdad a few weeks ago.

Boy, BetrayUs, McCain, Clinton and Obama are all geniuses for insisting on keeping troops in Iraq and borrowing trillions to do it, costing US and Iraqi lives and limbs and destroying our economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 04/07/2008

You heard it right here from HumeSkeptic - A vote for Obama is a vote for Peace!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 04/07/2008

More Than 1,000 in Iraq"s Forces Quit Basra Fight
The desertions in the heat of a major battle cast fresh doubt on the effectiveness of the American-trained Iraqi security forces. The White House has conditioned further withdrawals of American troops on the readiness of the Iraqi military and police.
The crisis created by the desertions and other problems with the Basra operation was serious enough that Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki hastily began funneling some 10,000 recruits from local Shiite tribes into his armed forces.

A reported asked: "Who was in charge of training the Iraqi forces"?

Answer: "General Petraeus was in charge in 2004 and 2005".

What was Petraeus' Primary Mission in Mar 2007?

Answer Secure Baghdad!

In the past 3 days the "GREEN ZONE" has been attack killing and wounding US Troops and Civilians.

In June 2004, less than six months after the 101st returned to the U.S., Petraeus was promoted to lieutenant general ( 2 Star ) and charged with the task of training the new Iraqi Army and security forces as commander of the Multi-National Security Transition Command Iraq.

Petraeus returned to Iraq in February 2007 ( as a 4 Star General ) to lead the "SURGE". He commands 650,000 Allied and Iraqi Forces that are trying to "DEFEAT" 6000 Al Qaida Terrorists that want to come to the United States and KILL Americans.

Petraeus is scheduled this year with a PROMOTION to 5 Stars.

Give ME a BREAK!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 04/07/2008

Over the past 2 weeks there has been a Major Uptick in Violence.

None of it has been attributed to Al Qaida.

Why are we there?
Are we joining the CIVIL WAR?
Which Side are we fighting for?
Sunni's that used to be Insurgents or part of Sadamm's Army and now Our Awakening Force?
The Shia controlled government?
The Mehdi Army?

I thought the LATEST REASON for staying in Iraq was to DEFEAT Al Qaeda there so they
do not come here to kill Americans.
Between the Allied Force of 160,000, the Awakening Force of 70,000 and the 430,000 Iraqi
Security Forces (660,000 Total) shouldn't we be focusing on the remaining 6000 Al Qaeda Terrorists? Apparently we have killed or captured 4000 Al Qaeda over the past couple years.
So if we stay focused 100 years will not be necessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 04/07/2008

Whenever I see photos like this one - Petraeus and Clinton - smiling like "everything's OK with the world" it makes me sick to my stomach. Petraeus is a political, smiley-faced, puppet and Clinton would love to be pulling his strings. These people (politicians and military ass-kissers) care nothing of the suffering they've caused throughout the world. And we look up to them for leadership? I think not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 04/07/2008

Yes, and he can take that smiling like everything's OK with the world into the hearings because Bush for the first time has blocked the latest NIA Iraq intelligence assessment from being released prior to Petraeus and Croker testimony. It is like cooking the books and keeping the books secret from anyone attempting to find out how the books were cooked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:36 PM on 04/07/2008
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I cannot believe the disparaging comments by far left america hating liberals, any man that puts on the uniform is an honorable man ( or woman ). Unless of course, they are dems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 04/07/2008
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any man that puts on the uniform is an honorable man ( or woman ). Unless of course, they are dems.
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You just shot down your own argument. I see cognitive dissonance is alive and well in the far rightwing America-hating Republicans.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 04/07/2008

Petraeus WAS the perfect man for the job. Unfortunately, the horse is now out of the barn. Indeed, Petraeus" insight came way too late. Now the Shiite and Sunni are just marking time, waiting for the US to get out so they can get on with their inevitable civil war. We can"t keep our finger in the dam of violence forever. It"s just not worth the blood and treasure. Besides, we need to get on with attacking the real terrorists bin Laden and end this phony war on terror nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 04/07/2008
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This boils down to a battle of wills, who will give up first, the indigenous Iraqis, or the invaders ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 04/07/2008
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Many liberals including myself proudly served this nation. You, sir, are mendacious. Why do you hate true freedom brought to you by the liberals of 1776!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 04/07/2008
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That was a satire. lornejl is a good guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 04/07/2008

All we have to do is keep spending a trillion dollars every couple of years and losing between 5 and ten dead per week, plus however many are maimed (not including Iraqis) and we can continue to keep the level of violence down from when we were only spending three quarters of a trillion dollars every couple of years with 20-30 dead, plus however many were maimed (not including Iraqis). And now the current Iraqi government gives Ahmadinejad a hero's welcome while our leaders either have to have 100 troops in flak jackets armed to the teeth and 6 helicopters in the sky over them or they can't even visit a market.

We're really fortunate the "adults" know better than to support immediate, safe withdrawal of all US troops and contractors.

General BetrayUs is a genius. And John McCain considers that to mean things are becoming normal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 04/07/2008
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