Hillary Clinton's Michigan/Florida Strategy: Keep The Dispute Alive

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First Posted: 04- 7-08 09:16 AM   |   Updated: 04-15-08 05:12 AM

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Democratic National Committee chair Howard Dean's chance of achieving an early compromise on the seating of the 210-member Florida and 156-member Michigan delegations faces a tough hurdle: the strategic importance to the Clinton campaign of keeping the dispute alive and kicking all the way to the convention.

If Clinton maintains her commitment to take the nomination contest to Denver in August, she needs to have an issue other than her own candidacy to maintain legitimacy and to use as a lever to build momentum during the committee meetings in the week before the convention -- and on the convention floor itself.

"In every recent convention contest, there has been a credentials, rules or platform dispute that has shaped the outcome," said Carl Wagner, a Democrat who has been deeply involved in DNC and convention politics -- as Edward Kennedy's 1980 national political director and convention manger; as the DNC's director of strategic planning from 1989 to 1993; and as manager of the coordinated presidential, congressional and state Democratic campaigns of 1992.

Recent nomination fights that go to the convention have all had a key ingredient: a hard-fought "test question" or issue (analogous to the two-state issue this year) preceding the actual up-and-down vote on the candidates. The outcome of the fight over the test issue then sets the stage for the selection of the nominee.

Examples include Eisenhower-Taft in 1952, when Ike's forces won a "Fair Play" credentials fight and with it, the nomination; the 1972 McGovern-Humphrey contest which was settled by votes on the make up of the California and Illinois delegations; and the Carter-Kennedy fight over the health care provisions of the party platform that were resolved by giving the Kennedy forces the opportunity to debate as their consolation prize.

In this respect, the very fact of having a major issue to take to the convention could well prove to be more important to Clinton than the actual settlement of the two-state seating issue.

Michigan and Florida violated national party rules by holding their primaries earlier in the season than party rules allowed, and, at the moment, the DNC has ruled that these two delegations will not be seated. Clinton won the primaries in both states.

Both Obama and Clinton appeared on the ballot in Florida, although each candidate abided by DNC rules and neither campaigned there.

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The situation in Michigan is more problematic: Obama took his name off the ballot, while Clinton left hers on. The result was a 55 percent victory for Clinton; with 40 percent of the ballots cast for "uncommitted" and the rest for minor candidates.

So far, the Clinton campaign has attempted to cast the two-state dispute in a political/moral light, stressing the voting rights issue as well as the danger that no matter which of the candidates -- Obama or Clinton -- is the eventual nominee, if Michigan and Florida delegates are not seated, the dispute could suppress Democratic turnout and give the combined 44 electoral votes to the GOP.

"It is a bedrock American principle: we are all equal in the voting booth. No matter where you were born or how much money you were born into, no matter the color of your skin or where you worship, your vote deserves to count," Clinton's campaign declared in an email seeking signatures on a petition to support the seating of the Florida and Michigan delegations. "But millions of people in Florida and Michigan who went to the polls aren't being heard. The delegates they elected won't be seated at the Democratic National Convention in Denver this August -- and that's just not fair to those voters."

In 2000, Al Gore and George W. Bush split the Florida vote, and Bush was ruled the Florida winner in a highly controversial decision by the Supreme Court. In 2004, Bush beat John Kerry in Florida by a more substantial 381,000 votes. In 2004, Kerry won Michigan, although the margin, 51-48, was small enough to provoke worries for Democrats concerning future elections.

Neither the Obama nor the Clinton campaign show signs of a willingness to compromise -- although they would be foolish to reveal such a willingness at this stage in the negotiations.

This past week, Dean met separately with top Democrats from Florida and Michigan, and after each session, participants pledged to work out a compromise. In a joint statement issued after the Michigan meeting, for example, attendees declared their "commitment to doing everything we can to ensure that a Michigan delegation is seated in Denver this summer. ... We have every expectation that we will succeed in that endeavor, and then go on to win in November."

"I don't know what the word compromise means," Harold Ickes, lead delegate strategist for Clinton, told The Huffington Post. "If it means Hillary Rodham Clinton should give up delegates, they are barking up a very tall tree."

If the Florida and Michigan delegations were seated -- as currently constituted on the basis of primary results to date -- Clinton would gain 56 pledged delegates, according to Ickes. With Clinton now 134 delegates behind Obama, 1636 to 1502, according to RealClearPolitics, a 56-seat pick-up could have major consequences, with upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana, and Puerto Rico conceivably providing the New York Senator with enough delegates to catch up to -- or even overtake -- Obama.

The Obama camp is determined to prevent Clinton from gaining the large block of delegates up for grabs in Florida and Michigan, calling instead for splitting each state's delegation down the middle.

"A 50-50 split of the delegates is an eminently fair solution, especially since originally Senator Clinton herself said the Michigan primary wouldn't 'count for anything,'" said Obama campaign manager David Plouffe.

A large block of DNC members and Democratic activists believe that it is important for discipline, and for the integrity of the primary and caucus process, that Michigan and Florida suffer a substantial penalty for breaking party rules.

It is just this kind of conflict, involving political self interest, larger questions of voting rights, party rules, and democratic ethics that create grounds for high-intensity intra-party warfare.

Democratic National Committee chair Howard Dean's chance of achieving an early compromise on the seating of the 210-member Florida and 156-member Michigan delegations faces a tough hurdle: the strateg...
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- stonepier I'm a Fan of stonepier 8 fans permalink

Can you imagine the Clinton outcry if HER name had not been on the Michigan ballot and Obama had won 55%. We'd never hear the end of it.

Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign calculates the popular vote on a metric that DOES disenfranchise Democrats in Iowa, Nevada, Washington, and Maine, caucuse states that don"t report their popular vote total. (Real Clear Politics does report this total giving Obama a lead of 827,308 votes http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html .)

In Maine, only registered Democrats can vote in the caucus. We had over 4000 absentee ballots from voters who could not attend. The results aren't skewed by an overabundance of "upper class" voters or students that the Clintons complain about (although I"m beginning to worry about the way the undereducated, underinformed voters in a lot of other states seem to be skewing the vote towards Clinton " is this supposed to be a good thing?) Maine had a record turnout. In my little town, there were 237 at the caucus, 52 of whom supported Clinton. Statewide, the vote was 59% Obama, 38% Clinton.

So I"d like to suggest that Clinton should play fair with the popular vote issue and stop pretending she can ignore thousands of votes cast on the one hand, and blather on about disenfranchisement on the other. Dishonest? I"d say so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/07/2008
- desmirl I'm a Fan of desmirl 9 fans permalink

If Clinton steals the Democrat nomination--goodbye Democrat Party for the next couiple of decades. People have been voting for Obama with their checks -- $109 at a time -- telling the Party that the politics of the past are distasteful. But if Hillary turns out to be the nominee--through the chicanery of a power play--get ready for a bunch of voters staying home and the rest voting for Nader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 04/07/2008
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 88 fans permalink
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Hillary doesn't care about that. She knows that most Americans know that she is being disingenuous, but it's the only shot she has. She'll risk destroying the Democratic Party and possibly the country for who knows how long, if it means that she has a 1% chance of making it. I hope the super delegates do the right thing and end this thing as soon as possible. The longer this goes on, the more damage that will be done to the Democratic Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 04/07/2008

I can't decide who is more loathesome and dishonest-Clinton or her surrogates?

I think I'll choose Clinton since she is responsible for those she has chosen to speak for her.


I wuld be a little more accepting of her crusade for 'justice' if she had felt strongly about another single issue of the last eight years (besides the flag burning amendment which she co sponsored).

She is totally contemptible in her blatant use of this non-issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 04/07/2008

I choose Obama, Michelle, Obama surrogates and Obama supporters who have no interest in what is best for America, as long as their boy wins....th­at is what is truly important eh boonagain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 04/07/2008
- BoydReed I'm a Fan of BoydReed 2 fans permalink

So...when a candidate plays by the rules, has to make up 30 points nationally in 3-4 months time, absorbs Muslim smears, "too Black" smears, "not Black enough" smears, "militant Black Panther" smears, racist smears, sexist smears, and faces massive opposition from virtually every major Democrat on the national level and in the big states...t­his is someone who doesn't embody American ideals, right?

That must be it. Because there certainly couldn't have been a place for a mixed-race, calm. collected magna cum laude graduate of Harvard Law in the world of corporate law. Yeah, going into public service made him TONS more money and was better for him and his family.

Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton - she of the establishment backing, who has been on the inside of the Democratic Party going on 30 years - compares herself to Rocky Balboa. The 2007 New England Patriots may end up a much better comparison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 04/07/2008
- Biracial1 I'm a Fan of Biracial1 10 fans permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xHRqi8nsvI


Check out what Hillary has to say about Michigan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 04/07/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 111 fans permalink
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That was in October, now she's concerned for the voices of "little people".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 04/07/2008
- SaintZak I'm a Fan of SaintZak 22 fans permalink

Did you ever break up with someone and then have them keep calling and emailing you asking why you bbroke up with them? I'm getting the same sad, pathetic, desperate feeling from the clinton campaign. Its over Hillary, move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 04/07/2008
- PingMama I'm a Fan of PingMama 4 fans permalink

Good analogy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 04/07/2008
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 88 fans permalink
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I was for Hillary 100%, but after all this, I am going with Obama. I hope the remaining super delegates realize how destructive she is being to the Democratic Party and put an end to all this. What she is doing is ridiculous. She is very much a liar and a cheat. Do we really need a liar and a cheat in the White House?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 04/07/2008
- WebDeb I'm a Fan of WebDeb 2 fans permalink

No we don't. We have already had 8 years of lies. If Hillary will bend the rules to suite her purpose, then she will also bend the rules as commander in chief. It isn't about the people's voices being heard. It is about her ego being fed.

PEOPLE! This is a job interview! Would you hire this woman to even babysit your children much less run your country?!!

I don't want a "fighter" in the White House who says it's "My Way of the Highway". George Bush informed us that he is the decider now, when he took his position in commander in chief. Hillary apparently is taking her cues from him. Enough division! Enough lies!

We need a president who will uphold the constitution, not dismantle it. One who will play by the rules, not feed their own selfish ambitions, "US citizens be damned!" We have lived with this distorted interpretation of "president" / "dictator" for 8 years. And, we have seen the free world shudder in dismay and turn their backs on us in utter disgust as we placed the dollar, oil, and personal ambitions, above the recommendations of the UN and the world.

I for one do not want a repeat performance. How can she bring a nation together when she can't even keep her own campaign in order? How can she establish solutions when she insists on breaking the rules? She can't set an example of leadership because she obviously cannot lead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 04/07/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

Hillary wants her coronation so bad. Not going to happen in America

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 04/07/2008
- NU81 I'm a Fan of NU81 2 fans permalink

From April 5, 2008 Newsweek: "Clinton's best-case scenario for victory requires sundering her own party. It is an inherently divisive strategy, but she doesn't appear to care. For Clinton, all's fair in pursuit of victory—even destroying her party from within. Her campaign has adopted a bizarre "insult-40-states strategy," which has belittled states small, liberal and Red. Apparently, the only states that matter are the ones she coincidentally happens to win."

Full article at: http://www.newsweek.com/id/130606

She even "insulted" Florida and Michigan by agreeing to disqualify them according to DNC rules UNTIL she needed the votes.

Personal ambition is one thing. Personal obsession is yet another. Destroying the Democratic Party for the sake of Hillary's (and Bill's) personal obsession is quite another!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 04/07/2008
- lbrillante I'm a Fan of lbrillante 7 fans permalink

IF TAINTED ELECTIONS ARE TO BE 'COUNTED' THEN WE SHOULD ALL CONSIDER THE NOMINEE BENEFITING FROM THEM A 'TAINTED' NOMINEE! Perhaps we should file a lawsuit if this happens?

EVERYONE KNEW THAT THE VOTES IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA WOULD NOT 'COUNT FOR ANYTHING' AS HILLARY SAID. SO THERE WAS VOTER SUPRESSION AND SUPRESSION OF CHOICE... WHO KNOWS WHICH CANDIDATES MIGHT HAVE REMAINED IN THE RACE AND WHAT THE OUTCOME MIGHT HAVE BEEN....??­???? THEY WERE TAINTED ELECTIONS.

PRIMARY AND CAUCUS VOTES ARE TRANSLATED TO DELEGATES.­..AND EVEN MEASUREMENT FOR A REASON... YOU CANNOT USE POPULAR VOTE AS AN EVEN MEASUREMENT FOR ALL STATES...

I CARE ABOUT THE STATES OF FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN. FOR THE SAKE OF PARTY UNITY THEY SHOULD BE SEATED 50/50 AS COMMITTED DELEGATES. SUPERDELEGATES SHOULD ONLY BE SEATED IF IT MAKES SENSE TO THE VOTERS OF THEIR STATES AFTER ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE TO SUFFER THEIR TAINTED ELECTON PROCESS. THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

NOW LET'S GET BACK TO PLAYING BY THE RULES AND IF YOU LOSE THE GAME, PLEASE DO SO GRACIOUSLY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 04/07/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 111 fans permalink
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Elaine Paige- " Don't Cry For Me Argentina "

YouTube 6:10 mins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdZ0T7BwPb0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 04/07/2008

Hillary - The Evita of the Ozarks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 04/07/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 111 fans permalink
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At $109 million, I think the Clintons have bested the Perons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 04/07/2008
- Biracial1 I'm a Fan of Biracial1 10 fans permalink

I say give HRC the nomination. She is willing to lie, cheat change the rules, make up new rules and some of you are too blinded to see that she really doesn't care about MI or FL. How many times have you heard her say "this state is more important in November" (yeah I know EC). Now she's stating that pledged delegates can change their support. I know that when I voted in the primary I selected the delegates that supported my candidate so what about all of us. FL/MI can keep talking about being disenfranchised but HRC is attempting to disenfranchise anyone who didn't vote for her, plain and simple!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 04/07/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 60 fans permalink
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Got that right!!!! And 'nough said!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 04/07/2008

Those trying to pin this problem on Obama are being very disingenous!!! The rules was agreed to upfront by ALL of the candidates. Slamming Obama for following the rules agreed to must come directly out of the Clinton playbook of lying and stealing. Obama is right - split them down the middle and MOVE ON!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 04/07/2008

The rules that everyone, including Obama, agreed to also included a revote option. Obama likes to ignore this fact while he obstructs any attempt to revote. Obama likes to act like a revote is something that was not part of the original rules and was just thought up now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 04/07/2008
- beright I'm a Fan of beright 4 fans permalink

Check your facts: Hillary said publicly that MI and Fla were "beauty contests," before she was bushwinkled and started to see the nomination slipping out of her hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 04/07/2008
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 88 fans permalink
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Can you supply us with a link?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 04/07/2008
- SLone08 I'm a Fan of SLone08 5 fans permalink

He proposed a caucus, Hillary said no. You can't spin this. She is crying because she's losing. The delegates will be seated at the convention but we aren't going to let two states who thumbed their noses at the DNC to decide the outcome of this election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 04/07/2008

The revote is up to the states. Hillary is doing her best to pin it all on Obama. How convenient­.....lets see the lies are stacking up......ca­res about voters in Michigan and Florida...­.lie...did­n't care until she was losing....­...girl dies because hospital won't let her in.....lie­.....lie..­..lie Dodging bullets Bosnia....­...super lie.......­I never had sexual relations with that woman,,,monica lewinsky..­..oh yeah.....t­hat was Bill......­doesn't matter he is really on the ticket too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 04/07/2008
- greejambri I'm a Fan of greejambri 19 fans permalink

Regarding the issue of revotes: Hillary Clinton has flatly stated she would NEVER agree to a caucus as a revote solution. Obama has opposed revotes that would not permit Republicans and Independents to participate, and does not want the revotes to be privately financed (by the Clinton camp). It seems to me that BOTH candidates are looking out for their best interests in this regard, and that they cancel each other out, so to speak. Stop trying to brand Obama as the one who opposes a revote. Why won't Clinton agree to caucus revotes in FLA and MI? The answer is obvious, as is why Obama won't agree to the types of primary revotes that have been floated so far. Hillary keeps trying to portray herself as the guardian of voter rights in the 2 states. This is absurd and laughable. If she were ahead in the contest at this point, she wouldn't give a damn about FLA and MI, and THAT IS THE TRUTH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 04/07/2008
- Fitzy I'm a Fan of Fitzy 4 fans permalink

I'm appalled that Clinton keeps hammering the issue of a re-vote. Any intelligent person who listens to her stump speeches would have second thoughts about voting for her. She clearly stated before the voting processes in Michigan and Florida that the votes would not count. How can anyone with any intelligence not see that had Obama ended up with a higher vote count in those states this whole mess would be a non-issue. It's a clear indication of her lack of morals and judgement to make such a stink about a re-vote. She constantly insults the intelligence of Americans with her lies and her deceit. Should she win the nomination and, God forbid the presidency, we will all be facing an administration of closed door policies, no better than that of the current administration. Bush feels that there is much that the people of America "don't need to know". He seems to forget who pays his salary. Don't expect anything more from another Clinton administration. And, keep in mind that we have options today that we won't have after November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 04/07/2008

Her supporters are Blue Collar Workers remember..­..uneducat­ed idiots, sheeple who can't and won't think for themselves (now that's what she thinks of yall so don't get mad at me.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 04/07/2008

Because the RULES you like to keep yelling about also include the option for a revote in these two states. The rules have ALWAYS included that option. And, anyone with a brain can clearly see that Obama has been intentionally throwing up road blocks to every attempt to have a revote

It has always been correct to state that the rules said the votes from those primaries would not count. But, it has always been the rule that these state are allowed to revote to select delegates that WOULD count.

No matter how you want to spin this, Obama will come out looking like the bad guy because he has refused to work for a revote. He has blocked a revote at every turn

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 04/07/2008
- Fitzy I'm a Fan of Fitzy 4 fans permalink

"the RULES you like to keep yelling about ".........­.I don't believe I mentioned RULES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 04/07/2008
- MalloMel I'm a Fan of MalloMel 88 fans permalink
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How about a link on this revote option?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 04/07/2008

What a WHINER!!! Clinton, herself, has said that Michigan and Florida votes wouldn't count and it didn't really seem to matter to her one way or the other until it was clear that she could not pull off this nomination.

You people seem to forget that NO ONE campaigned in Florida except HRC and NO ONE ELSE'S name was even on the ballot in Michigan. As a woman, I admire her for being tenacious in this male dominated club, but when will she and her team STOP MOVING THE GOAL POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 04/07/2008
- greejambri I'm a Fan of greejambri 19 fans permalink

Regarding the issue of revotes: Hillary Clinton has flatly stated she would NEVER agree to a caucus as a revote solution. Obama has opposed revotes that would not permit Republicans and Independents to participate, and does not want the revotes to be privately financed (by the Clinton camp). It seems to me that BOTH candidates are looking out for their best interests in this regard, and that they cancel each other out, so to speak. Stop trying to brand Obama as the one who opposes a revote. Why won't Clinton agree to caucus revotes in FLA and MI? The answer is obvious, as is why Obama won't agree to the types of primary revotes that have been floated so far. Hillary keeps trying to portray herself as the guardian of voter rights in the 2 states. This is absurd and laughable. If she were ahead in the contest at this point, she wouldn't give a damn about FLA and MI, and THAT IS THE TRUTH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 04/07/2008
- busybeez I'm a Fan of busybeez 4 fans permalink

Well maybe you can figure out the way to have a revote that is fair and legal? Because the revote that Hillary suggested wasn't and that's why it didn't happen, and that's why the state legislatures wouldn't approve it. But fair doesn't seem to matter anymore. Why didn't we just skip the selection process, and just put the crown on Hillary's head in the first place? That's what she expects. She couldn't win it fair, so now she just wants it given to her. And Obama is the bad person because he won't agree to an unfair revote? Give me a break!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 04/07/2008
- filo I'm a Fan of filo 71 fans permalink
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I'm sure President McCain will send her a very nice Thank You note.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 04/07/2008
- julieeiluj I'm a Fan of julieeiluj 3 fans permalink

For the sake of the party, someone had better make sure that these two key states do not remain disenfranchised. I don't see Obama trying to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 04/07/2008
- Denni I'm a Fan of Denni 8 fans permalink

You may not 'see it', but the media has already reported that it's the OBAMA camp that's been in talks with Florida (and Michigan) to try to resolve the issue fairly. .. not the Clinton camp.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 04/07/2008
- rojo7449 I'm a Fan of rojo7449 9 fans permalink

If they are talking to anyone it's to resolve the issue to their liking, not to resolve it fairly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 04/07/2008
- rabprevent I'm a Fan of rabprevent 11 fans permalink

You are an idiot and blaming him for something he is not responsible for. This is just like the Clintons, shifting blames!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 04/07/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 86 fans permalink

I do not see the Democratic Party in the end disenfranchising these two states, but we must not allow Hillary Clinton to break the rules and then profit by it. Not this year in this election. We are on the brink of the grassroots reclaiming the party and reversing ITS disenfranchisement. I think after the "legal" primaries have run their course in mid-June we will see some kind of a settlement though not a revote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 04/07/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Obama broke the rules far more than any other candidate. In MI, he set up phone banks to get out the vote for Uncommitted. In FL, he ran a full slate of ads right up to the day of the vote.

Now, you may believe that his team couldn't negotiate ad deals that omitted that market, but then......­you are full of naivetee. Every other candidate managed to follow the rules. He's the only one who didn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 04/07/2008
- Bozwellian I'm a Fan of Bozwellian 30 fans permalink

What MANY "see", is the Clinton campaign TRYING MAKE SURE DESENFRANCHISED PERCEPTION roiled on and on and on and blame Obama for the "mess" that the Clintons are trying to EXPLOIT AT EVERYONES EXPENSE.
THe RULES were KNOWN, and even Hillary AGREED TO THEM, only when she got knocked out of INEVITIBLE position did she and her campers scramble to find ANY way or means to scrounge something or other to keep HER ALIVE IN THE CAMPAIGN !!
It is BOMABSTIC and INFURIATING that so much has been ALLOWED to enflame this..As for THE VOTERS THEMSELVES, their IRE should be turned to their STATE ELECTED OFFICIALS who SIGNED THEM UP FOR THIS . In Florida, the GOP majority did "force" this play, BUT THE DEMS THERE ROLLED OVER AND WENT ALONG WITH IT. NOW they want to distance themselves and blame someone else , sorry, THEY KNEW THE RULES and DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH TOO LATE !!!
THE RULES WERE AGREED TO, so if IGNORRED THIS TIME, just wait til NEXT TIME...act­ually, if these two states are allowed to slide on by breaking "agreed to rules" , IF by chance THEY become the "deciding factor " as to who "wins/loses" in the tallied counts of popular votes/dele­gates...se­ems the risk is that the OTHER states who followed the rules and abided by them will be THE DESENFRANCHISED and QUITE DISGRUNTLED !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:41 AM on 04/07/2008
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 218 fans permalink
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Well said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 04/07/2008
- SuiginTou7 I'm a Fan of SuiginTou7 65 fans permalink
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How many times do we have to remind you that Hillary agreed to accept the rules involving those two states. She agreed to it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 04/07/2008
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