McCain: Democrats' Stance on Iraq Flawed

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Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., speaks to reporters aboard the campaign airplane in route from Phoenix, Ariz. to Kansas City, Mo. Sunday, April 6, 2008. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Monday that calls from his Democratic rivals to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq stand as a "failure of leadership" as they are making promises they cannot keep. Democrat Barack Obama said the failure rests with McCain's support for an open-ended occupation of Iraq.

Addressing the Veterans of Foreign Wars, McCain criticized Obama and Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and insisted that last year's U.S. troop buildup in Iraq brought a glimmer of "something approaching normal" there, despite a recent outbreak of heavy fighting and a U.S. death toll that has surpassed 4,000.

Pulling out now would jeopardize recent gains, McCain said.

"I do not believe that anyone should make promises as a candidate for president that they cannot keep if elected," McCain told the crowd of about 130 people, mostly veterans.

"To promise a withdrawal of our forces from Iraq, regardless of the calamitous consequences to the Iraqi people, our most vital interests, and the future of the Middle East, is the height of irresponsibility," he said. "It is a failure of leadership."

He took a brief tour of the National World War I Museum afterward.

McCain, the presidential nominee-in-waiting, is closely tied to the unpopular, five-year-old war. McCain was a vocal advocate of the troop increase strategy eventually adopted by President Bush, and is seeking to convince people the strategy is working. He also argued that Iraq will need more money and aid for reconstruction.

Clinton and Obama, still battling for the Democratic presidential nomination, dispute the claims of success, arguing the war has failed to make the United States safer.

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"It's a failure of leadership to support an open-ended occupation of Iraq that has failed to press Iraq's leaders to reconcile, badly overstretched our military, put a strain on our military families, set back our ability to lead the world, and made the American people less safe," Obama said, using McCain's own words against him.

Clinton chastised McCain's Iraq strategy as "four more years of the Bush-Cheney-McCain policy of continuing to police a civil war while the threats to our national security, our economy, and our standing in the world mount."

"We simply cannot give the Iraqi government an endless blank check," she said. "It is time to end this war as quickly, as responsibly, and as safely as possible."

Debate will intensify this week as Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, and Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker testify to Congress. Clouding their testimony is fighting that erupted late last month as U.S.-trained Iraqi forces attempted to oust Shiite militias from Basra in southern Iraq.

For his part, McCain suggested the Democrats' promise to withdraw troops was motivated by ambition rather than honesty.

People deserve a candid assessment of progress in Iraq as well as of the serious difficulties that remain and of the consequences of hasty withdrawal, McCain said.

McCain warned against the swift withdrawal of troops advocated by Obama and Clinton, saying Iraq could quickly become a terrorist haven.

"These likely consequences of America's failure in Iraq would, almost certainly, require us to return to Iraq or draw us into a wider and far costlier war," the Arizona senator said.

He highlighted a sharp drop in violence in recent months in his speech to the VFW at the National World War I Museum. From June 2007 until last month, when McCain visited Iraq, violence, he said, fell by 90 percent, and deaths of civilians and coalition forces fell by 70 percent.

"The dramatic reduction in violence has opened the way for a return to something approaching normal political and economic life for the average Iraqi," McCain said, making the case for staying in order to take advantage of the gains.

Despite the positive numbers he cited, 2007 _ the year of the troop buildup _ was the deadliest yet.

McCain insisted he could rally support from the majority of Americans _ even though, according to public opinion surveys, they believe the war is going badly and the troop buildup has not helped.

"If we are honest about the opportunities and the risks, I believe they will have the patience to allow us the time necessary to obtain our objectives," McCain said.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Monday that calls from his Democratic rivals to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq stand as a "failure of leadership" as they ar...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Monday that calls from his Democratic rivals to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq stand as a "failure of leadership" as they ar...
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- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 211 fans permalink
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"Normal", I guess, is a relative term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 04/07/2008
- DFL I'm a Fan of DFL 41 fans permalink
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SOMEONE ASK WAR-MONGER MC CAIN: WHY DID HE VOTE AGAINST A 2006 DEM AMENDMENT THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED $2.8 BILLION TO INCREASE VETRANS MEDICAL CARE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 04/07/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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Because McBush doesn't care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/07/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Now what gave you that idea?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 04/07/2008
- lastams I'm a Fan of lastams 57 fans permalink

He is still refusing to support the new GI bill, whose main oposition is (go figure) the Whitehouse.
The stated reason that the Whitehouse opposes the bill is because it will make it more appealing for people to leave the military.
i'.m not kidding.
It that just plain sick or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 04/07/2008
- lastams I'm a Fan of lastams 57 fans permalink

Something approaching normal?
Really?
Just when you think the Republican spin can't get any more outrageous, they always seem to take it up a notch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 04/07/2008

lastams : More akin to ' lowering the bar ' further.


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 04/07/2008
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Those morons have been trying to say that it's safer in Iraq than Philly for months, so really I think this is dialing it back a tad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 04/07/2008
- MrJoyboy I'm a Fan of MrJoyboy 34 fans permalink

McCain never got over the fact the U.S. lost the Vietnam war. So his worst nightmare is that we "lose" another one in Iraq. He'll go down with the ship, like his ancestors, and take the rest of us with him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:20 PM on 04/07/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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Sad but true. His obsession with "victory" is beyond pathological. He should really be institutionalized.

And apparently, he's the best the Republicans have.

??

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 04/07/2008
- DumbDad I'm a Fan of DumbDad 32 fans permalink
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Worse, he doesn't understand WHY we pulled out of Vietnam. It wasn't that we 'lost' but that any kind of 'winning' on our part would have been indefensible in its brutal consequences for the Vietnamese people. The separating of their nation, with loyalties bought in blood spent fighting off the Japanese and the French together, was not going to become peaceable even on a Korean model, and the claim that we had to do it to protect our interests from international communism just made us criminal for what we were doing to them. The slander that we 'turned against the war' out of cowardice is US military/Republican bullshit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 04/07/2008

tried posting this yesterday; seems to have disappeared into the ether...here goes again:

Ok..my $.02

People generally are blinded by low expectations. They're so accustomed to thinking one way, that, unless they're willing to 'open their eyes' and expand their minds, they're prone to continue in the same vein, and because they always expect things to be a certain way, the proverbial "that's not the way things work", any new paradigm is unfathomable.

That's the back drop behind which not only Hillary supporters come from, but virtually all political supporters in the US. That's why the Obama supporters represent a conundrum to them, they are so accustomed to low expectations, fighting, lobbying, disenfranchising the public, that the idea of high expectations is foreign to them.

That's why they call you guys robots, cultists, fan club members... they can't understand it, because of the limitations in their thinking, and so they react, as usual, by lashing out and name calling, because that's how politics is.

Those of you who have seen my posts and remember them will know I'm a big proponent of people power, the people run the govt. not the other way around, that's why I always say, if 2000 and/or 2004 happened it most other countries, they'd be riots in the streets and you guys would be watching it on TV marveling at how stupid/uncivilised those people are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 04/07/2008
- WLA I'm a Fan of WLA 323 fans permalink
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You're too right, CP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 04/07/2008
- lastams I'm a Fan of lastams 57 fans permalink

Definately right on.
I would like to add however that to a large degree "people power" hinges on people being well informed.
We need to remember that we live in a Republic, not a Democracy.
We don’t all get together at public meetings, write and vote our laws; we elect representatives to do that that for us and we trust that they in turn will serve our interests.
Without a responsible media reporting on the actions of our government it is impossible for the electorate to make informed decisions.
Take that one step further to where we are today; where one party actually has it’s own news agencies presenting its propaganda as fact, while maintaining secrecy over all its dealings, and one can see the danger.
Perhaps the people do not so much get the government they deserve as the government they do not understand.

It was Gobbels that said,
" “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 04/07/2008
- Oldtt I'm a Fan of Oldtt 37 fans permalink
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Thanks for the free psychoanalysis; now at last I know how my own mind works.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 04/07/2008
- NightRider I'm a Fan of NightRider 5 fans permalink

If anyone believes the surge is working, they need to read this gripping first hand account on the ground in Iraq.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/31/world/middleeast/31basra.html?ref=todayspaper

Book your vacation travel if you don't believe it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 04/07/2008
- nick1936 I'm a Fan of nick1936 17 fans permalink

WHAT the hell is this senile old man smoking ?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 04/07/2008

I dunno, but I want some...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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Don't know - but Republicans will never share it with the real people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 PM on 04/07/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Unfortunately I do not think he is smoking anything at all.... if he was... that I could understand... hallucinations, etc.......

This is plain, old fashioned craziness at best....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 04/07/2008
- donaldw6 I'm a Fan of donaldw6 357 fans permalink
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You've got to get with the program, NightRider. Your story is so out of tune with the new normal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 04/07/2008

Normal is really scary! As I look at that battlescarred old face of his, I think of how awful it would be to look at that for at least four years, as we're approaching 8 of having to look at Bush's apelike expression.

One thing I fail to understand about McCain is how a man who suffered so in war, including POW camp, can feel so calm about inflicting the same suffering on others. I guess it's true. You can either do unto others as it has been done unto you (which is what he is doing), or you can learn from what was done and see the importance of human rights and maintaining peace. He has said we will stay in Iraq for 100 years if necessary. This country could not survive as an occupying country. To elect McCain is to complete the destruction of democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/07/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 13 fans permalink
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McSame is from a long line of military people, like in an old movie except in his case it's not fiction on the big screen. He knows nothing but war. It may literally be in his genes. He is so ingrained it has made him rigid listening to no one except the hawks. He knows not other way and will never think otherwise. We must keep this man out of the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 04/07/2008
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John McCain's one and only selling point is keeping us in Iraq for the foreseeable future, to be sure that will earn him 28% of the vote, give him 4% who would just as soon cut off their right arm than to vote for a woman or a black man, 4% who wouldn't vote for a democrat no matter what, 4% swayable by swift boating and 4% miscellaneous/voter fraud and you a grand total of 44% of the voting public, tops.

Obama/Feingold 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/07/2008

McCain is a liar!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 04/07/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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What exactly is normal about exploding people, exploding cars, gunfire in the streets, being shot at, people kicking in your door, kidnapping, murder....

He is totally crazy!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/07/2008
- RSU I'm a Fan of RSU 100 fans permalink
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You should ask Muqtada al-Sadr. I'll bet he has a great answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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Is that Cheney's Dubai name?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 PM on 04/07/2008

Why don't you call him up. You sounds like the kind of guy to have a radical cleric on speed dial.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 PM on 04/07/2008
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Did he say Iraq resembled normalcy? No you say? Well then your "point" is completely invalid then, isn't it?

Moran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 04/07/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Why would I ask him? McCain is the delusional fool who said it... did you read the article?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 04/07/2008

Too true. The consequences of letting this violent/no water/no electricity reality become 'normality' are a huge extension of the situation as either side fails to see any peaceful resolution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 04/07/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

McCain was born (1936) during the Great Depression and the German troops occupation of the Rhineland. He wants us to experience that again: depression and World War

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 04/07/2008
- haboob I'm a Fan of haboob 3 fans permalink

obamacans rise up rise up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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Thread is about McCain being stupid and wrong - and here you are being stupid. And, as always, wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 04/07/2008
- haboob I'm a Fan of haboob 3 fans permalink

mcsenile is stupid and wrong. but the obamacans will give him a win in november. then who will be stupid ? but but but clinton is all you will have left. you will be in good company with the gop here

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 04/07/2008
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Dittoheads, F off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/07/2008
- haboob I'm a Fan of haboob 3 fans permalink

know the difference between a obama cultist and a dittohead ? not a damn thing

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 04/07/2008
- McSurgent I'm a Fan of McSurgent 2 fans permalink

The things male Democrats have said about Hillary. It would make Cindy McCain blush!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/07/2008
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Nah, she's used to being called that and worse by her own husband. She wouldn't bat a fake eyelash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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She didn't even blush when she learned about the Bus Bimbo - that 'honorable' lobbyist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 04/07/2008
- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

yes, I know.

Obama is black.

what's your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/07/2008
- haboob I'm a Fan of haboob 3 fans permalink

what is yours misogynist ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 04/07/2008
- feo I'm a Fan of feo 30 fans permalink

And that explains why, a veteran of a foreign war, have refused for nearly 40 years to join the VFW. Wrong-headed thinking mixed with beer drinking mixed with electing fools who hate America so much they want perpetual war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/07/2008

Heh... told ya he's senile! Now do you believe me?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/07/2008
- Cardhu I'm a Fan of Cardhu 4 fans permalink
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Uh, Senator McCain?: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . What? . . . The surge is working . . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Uh, excuse me Senator: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . What? . . . . I dunno, ask Cindy . . . .

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 118 fans permalink
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Can't remember.... just like Mc... Mc... hmm, can't remember

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/07/2008
- unclebucky I'm a Fan of unclebucky 70 fans permalink

Normal is being able to walk down Milwaukee Avenue at 2pm.
Normal is being able to have a sandwich or gyros on Northwest Highway in Niles.
Normal is being able to go shopping on Michigan Ave.

Is close to normal something the same as far from normal for McSame?

Ugh. --UB.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/07/2008
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"Is close to normal something the same as far from normal for McSame?"

He relives war everyday, so he figures that must be normal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 04/07/2008
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