McCain: Democrats' Stance on Iraq Flawed

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Republican presidential candidate, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., speaks to reporters aboard the campaign airplane in route from Phoenix, Ariz. to Kansas City, Mo. Sunday, April 6, 2008. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Monday that calls from his Democratic rivals to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq stand as a "failure of leadership" as they are making promises they cannot keep. Democrat Barack Obama said the failure rests with McCain's support for an open-ended occupation of Iraq.

Addressing the Veterans of Foreign Wars, McCain criticized Obama and Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and insisted that last year's U.S. troop buildup in Iraq brought a glimmer of "something approaching normal" there, despite a recent outbreak of heavy fighting and a U.S. death toll that has surpassed 4,000.

Pulling out now would jeopardize recent gains, McCain said.

"I do not believe that anyone should make promises as a candidate for president that they cannot keep if elected," McCain told the crowd of about 130 people, mostly veterans.

"To promise a withdrawal of our forces from Iraq, regardless of the calamitous consequences to the Iraqi people, our most vital interests, and the future of the Middle East, is the height of irresponsibility," he said. "It is a failure of leadership."

He took a brief tour of the National World War I Museum afterward.

McCain, the presidential nominee-in-waiting, is closely tied to the unpopular, five-year-old war. McCain was a vocal advocate of the troop increase strategy eventually adopted by President Bush, and is seeking to convince people the strategy is working. He also argued that Iraq will need more money and aid for reconstruction.

Clinton and Obama, still battling for the Democratic presidential nomination, dispute the claims of success, arguing the war has failed to make the United States safer.

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"It's a failure of leadership to support an open-ended occupation of Iraq that has failed to press Iraq's leaders to reconcile, badly overstretched our military, put a strain on our military families, set back our ability to lead the world, and made the American people less safe," Obama said, using McCain's own words against him.

Clinton chastised McCain's Iraq strategy as "four more years of the Bush-Cheney-McCain policy of continuing to police a civil war while the threats to our national security, our economy, and our standing in the world mount."

"We simply cannot give the Iraqi government an endless blank check," she said. "It is time to end this war as quickly, as responsibly, and as safely as possible."

Debate will intensify this week as Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, and Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker testify to Congress. Clouding their testimony is fighting that erupted late last month as U.S.-trained Iraqi forces attempted to oust Shiite militias from Basra in southern Iraq.

For his part, McCain suggested the Democrats' promise to withdraw troops was motivated by ambition rather than honesty.

People deserve a candid assessment of progress in Iraq as well as of the serious difficulties that remain and of the consequences of hasty withdrawal, McCain said.

McCain warned against the swift withdrawal of troops advocated by Obama and Clinton, saying Iraq could quickly become a terrorist haven.

"These likely consequences of America's failure in Iraq would, almost certainly, require us to return to Iraq or draw us into a wider and far costlier war," the Arizona senator said.

He highlighted a sharp drop in violence in recent months in his speech to the VFW at the National World War I Museum. From June 2007 until last month, when McCain visited Iraq, violence, he said, fell by 90 percent, and deaths of civilians and coalition forces fell by 70 percent.

"The dramatic reduction in violence has opened the way for a return to something approaching normal political and economic life for the average Iraqi," McCain said, making the case for staying in order to take advantage of the gains.

Despite the positive numbers he cited, 2007 _ the year of the troop buildup _ was the deadliest yet.

McCain insisted he could rally support from the majority of Americans _ even though, according to public opinion surveys, they believe the war is going badly and the troop buildup has not helped.

"If we are honest about the opportunities and the risks, I believe they will have the patience to allow us the time necessary to obtain our objectives," McCain said.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Monday that calls from his Democratic rivals to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq stand as a "failure of leadership" as they ar...
KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Republican presidential candidate John McCain said Monday that calls from his Democratic rivals to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq stand as a "failure of leadership" as they ar...
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- jakie I'm a Fan of jakie 2 fans permalink

mcsame is so senile this man scares me

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/07/2008
- truthyguy I'm a Fan of truthyguy 42 fans permalink

THE ONLY GOOD THING THAT CAN BE SAID IS THE CHOICE IN NOVEMBER WILL BE CRYSTAL CLEAR.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/07/2008
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That's for DAMN sure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 04/07/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1594 fans permalink
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But only if it is Obama against McCain. Otherwise, no.

Listen to Hillary:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=78e_1189619041

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 04/07/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/07/2008
- Oldtt I'm a Fan of Oldtt 36 fans permalink
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Note that Hillary did not say the "surge" was working, only the change in tactics in al anbar provence which preceeded the surge by months, when we began to arm and pay Sunni sheiks to clean out al qaeda outsiders. This was a legitimate analysis for which Hillary was heavily criticized. She followed up by telling General Patraeus that the surge was not working, for which she was also heavily criticized. She told the truth in both cases.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 04/07/2008
- McSurgent I'm a Fan of McSurgent 2 fans permalink

Crystal Clear - the cC in McCain!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 04/07/2008
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CC stands for "carbon copy", right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/07/2008
- Jaxxon I'm a Fan of Jaxxon 4 fans permalink
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So, so TRUE!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 04/07/2008
- moda31 I'm a Fan of moda31 10 fans permalink

if what's going on in iraq is close to normal then i don't want to see what chaos looks like in mccain's world

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 119 fans permalink
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My Friends - I have no idea what I am talking about. Never had, never will have. Check back in 100 years and I might have an answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 04/07/2008

I believe that McBush has previously stated that our leaving Viet Nam after 10 years of occupation was a mistake as well... or maybe I've got him confused with another right-wing fanatic war-monger? So, how many years of occupation is required before a "victory" can be achieved? ANYONE???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 04/07/2008
- RSU I'm a Fan of RSU 88 fans permalink
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If keeping bases in a nation after a war is an occupation, then we're still occupying Germany after 50 years.

Is that considered a victory????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 119 fans permalink
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Except here, we occupied to START the war. B I G difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 04/07/2008
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Yeah well, my understanding is we had a DAMN good reason to go into Germany in the first place. Care to guess what that was? And for bonus points can you tell me who supported the dictator of Germany at the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 04/07/2008

RCP Average 03/24 to 04/06 - McCain 44.2% Obama 45.0% Obama +0.8%
RCP Average 03/24 to 04/06 - McCain 46.6% Clinton 44.4% McCain +2.2%

And this is before people realize Barry really is ... just words.

And if it wasn't for the outlier CBS/NYT poll McCain would be beating Barry and even farther ahead of Clinton.

The trend is toward McCain.

You may still win but don't count on it. Remember the last 2 elections. You guys were so distraught.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 119 fans permalink
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My friends... the salami is hidden and so are my brains.

My friends, this is all the Rethuglican Party has to offer - a sad old man who FAILED to be the Rethuglican choice in 2000, and will fail to win in 2008. My friends, the elephant has left the room.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 PM on 04/07/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 11 fans permalink
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One difference for McSame this time. He is kissing dub's butt. In 2k he was telling dub "get your filthy hands off me". McSame is learning the game, trying to get the repug/neo machine to support him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 04/07/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

Once the Dem primary's are over mclame will drop 20%!

But ... his candidacy has just been derailed by his own words:

"At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt."

And that ... to his own wife!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/07/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1594 fans permalink
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Only idiots rely on polls taken 8 months before the election. Eight months ago, the same polls had Hillary as the "inevitable nominee" and McCain was off the radar screen.

Get it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 04/07/2008
- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

"You guys were so distraught­."

And you got poorer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/07/2008
- nippersdad I'm a Fan of nippersdad 29 fans permalink

Salaam, Hyde:

I fear that you are not taking into account that there are increasingly few places to hide the salami that the Republican Party (and the DNC) has been feeding its' constituency for the last thirty years. The putrid stench and drainage emanating from the hidey holes utilized over the last seven years is becoming overwhelmingly obvious...­the disease has progressed too far and there is no longer any way to hide its' debilitating effects with mere cosmetics and perfume.

Come November, the American people would vote for Paris Hilton's economic and international credentials before your guy's. Denial is only the first stage, wait until you get a load of the anger part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 04/07/2008
- Moshe I'm a Fan of Moshe 208 fans permalink
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I pray that McCain's ideals of "normal" never become normal in our Nation, and that the American People take back control of their own government while they still can.

We have experienced a creeping fascism in the U.S., which can be reversed by the People, but I have these two principle concerns:

1) The frog in the boiling pot scenario, in which the American People, instead of reacting to the loss of their freedoms, their control of their own government, their economic futures, etc., instead continue to become gradually desensitized to ever worsening conditions, reacting, if at all, far too late; and

2) The "Shock Doctrine" scenario, in which the velvet gloved fascists manipulate a crisis to remove the velvet glove and any pretense of democracy. For anyone that hasn't yet seen this, this HuffPo John Cusack interview with Naomi Klein is absolue must see:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/09/25/huffpost-video-john-cusa_n_65861.html

Nonetheless, the reality is that the only thing that connects us to any possible remedies for our current problems, and any possible better future, is our hope.

Therefore, despite the challenges, we must day-by-day do the very best we can to create positive change, one person at a time, one day at a time, clinging to hope as if our lives and future depended on it.

They do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 04/07/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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Another possible scenario: McCain wins continues siphoning our tax dollars to Iraq. The economy collapses, No more tax dollars cause most people don't have jobs. They can't afford to continue the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 04/07/2008
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I'm with you my friend, as you know and so are many of us here.

What was once considered a conspiracy theory, now looks like

what we see in the post Katrina, tsunami and Iraq invasion w/

all the privatization, profiteering and promulgation by BushCo.

The Norte American Fascist Union is closer than ever for US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 04/07/2008
- OttoMann I'm a Fan of OttoMann 5 fans permalink

yep, situation normal, as in SNAFU.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 04/07/2008
- gopindrag I'm a Fan of gopindrag 3 fans permalink

ONE HUNDRED YEARS IN IRAQ ..........­........ sounds like a Gabriel Garcia Marquez monster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 04/07/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Do you object to staying in GERMANY? KOREA? JAPAN? SINAI? BOSNIA? We've been in a couple of these places for 60 years now, well on our way to 100.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 04/07/2008
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Yes, I do object. Thanks for asking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 PM on 04/07/2008
- francoise I'm a Fan of francoise 18 fans permalink

Ammo,

I don't think you can compare staying in nations who welcome you, need you, ask you to stay, or whom you pay a rent to, and staying in Iraq where clearly you're not wanted ( or else these Muslims have weird ways to welcome a guest ! )

In Italy, Berlu lost the last elections to Prodi because the Italians wanted out of Iraq, and because the Italians didn't want the US base in their northern part to be extended.

( if by chance you know that the Italians protested so much against a visit of the Pope in Rome University, that the visit was cancelled, you'll say that they're a bunch of amoral atheists. Because it seems we don't interpret facts and events in the same way. )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 119 fans permalink
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You forgot (just like McCain) that we STARTED this war by ILLEGALLY occupying another country. B I G difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 04/07/2008
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If you like W, you'll LOVE McLame...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 04/07/2008

McCain grafted Iraq to his presidential bid to Iraq more than a year ago. His political fortunes are as dependent on it as Bush's historical legacy is. Both men have consciously made themselves hostage to a strategy and cannot afford to change no matter what the facts on the ground say.

Imagine McCain is elected and in 2012 seeks re-election. Imagine that in 2012 we are roughly the same place in Iraq that we are now and have been since 2004. It isn't hard to imagine because it is likely to be the case. Do you think there is any way that McCain would or could come to the conclusion that "Nine years is enough" and in doing so forego a second term?

Put another way, both Bush and McCain have ceeded the power to determine future U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East to Sunni and Shiite militas in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 04/07/2008
- Economike I'm a Fan of Economike 32 fans permalink
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I don't think it's sustainable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/07/2008
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""To promise a withdrawal of our forces from Iraq, regardless of the calamitous consequences to the Iraqi people, our most vital interests, and the future of the Middle East, is the height of irresponsibility," he said. "It is a failure of leadership­.""

Is that right my friend? Well my friend, what would my friend call getting my friend's gonads caught in a vice and wanting to stay for 100 years?

PS Eat sh*t, my friend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/07/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Ahhh, realistic view? Not pandering for votes?? And he never said that, did he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 04/07/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1594 fans permalink
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Huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 119 fans permalink
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He doesn't remember what he said, my friends. Maybe because Bush hasn't told him what to say... or did he just forget?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/07/2008
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Going into Iraq was a "realistic" view?!? G-bus, your head must rattle while you are doing your bobble-head imitation listening to the fat radio guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/07/2008
- CarlsV I'm a Fan of CarlsV 12 fans permalink

Maybe not but ... he did call his own wife a c*nt!

But that's okay with you huh sparky?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/07/2008
- OETKB I'm a Fan of OETKB 4 fans permalink

This predictable speech by McCain along with the remarks of Sen Biden today warning against making political hay with the upcoming Petraeus/Crocker appearance before Congress tomorrow presents a chance for testing the Democratic candidates in one regard that may be appropriate. Naturally besides the focus on these White House envoys, the candidates will be under scrutiny on the direction and accomplishments of the so-called "surge" by their line of inquiry. It seems important for potential candidates to use their questioning to have both Gen Petraeus and Amb Crocker describe the landscape rather than evaluate it(What's happening with the Iraqi Army, the Iraqi Police, the Iraqi Government, the state of public resources in Iraq, Iraqi co-alliances of convenience etc.). There will be adequate time after the hearing to digest it and come to conclusions. Each candidate might be wise to seek advice from their most savvy international sources in their campaigns. To set a political tone tomorrow may be a mistake. I know McCain will and try to make political hay but he should not be deterred from doing so. He will not be able to stop his Republican self. It will show his ideological bent rather than an opportunity to gather information and make a more realistic evaluation of what the ground level in Iraq looks like and help the public make up their own minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:46 PM on 04/07/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

By your post, you are hoping the DEMS don't make 'political hay' of this testimony, but know McCain will. I'm waiting for the encore patented rhetorical statement of ' a willing suspension of disbelief' to come up. How about you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 04/07/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1594 fans permalink
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If she is honest, she would call Petraeus what he actually is: a liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 04/07/2008
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I am hoping for a white wedding. I bet he never calls his new wife a "c*nt".

http://blog.reidreport.com/uploaded_images/mccain_bush-hug-713122.jpg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 04/07/2008
- BWonka I'm a Fan of BWonka 119 fans permalink
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How about YOU go fight the war, my friend, and let the troops come home? Oh, wait - rethugs never send their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 04/07/2008
- nirak I'm a Fan of nirak 8 fans permalink

What is normal for Bush is normal for McCain.
Black is White and UP is DOWN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/07/2008
- NightRider I'm a Fan of NightRider 5 fans permalink

McCain is in the wrong hole and he can't pull out. Time to call in the Vets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/07/2008
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