Who Gets The Troops' Votes?

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ABC News   |  Martha Raddatz   |   April 7, 2008 11:42 PM


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ABC's Martha Raddatz asked American soldiers in Iraq what issues are most important to them when looking at the presidential candidates.

Though the military is not supposed to engage in partisan political activity, these soldiers spoke out about their personal endorsements, and their opinions are likely to matter. In 2004, 73 percent of the U.S. military voted for a presidential candidate, and officials believe it may be even higher this time around.

PFC Jeremy Slate said he supported Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., because of his stated intention to pull out of Iraq right away.

"That would be nice," Slate said, "I'd like to be home, yea."

SFC Patricia Keller also expressed support for Obama, citing his representation for change.

Spc. Patrick Nicholls from Eggawam, Mass., pointed out that many soldiers on the frontlines frequently think about their families back home.

"We think about how our families are doing back home. That's a major concern, like how the economy is doing, also as well as where we're going to be in the future. Because really, truly, what we consider we're doing, we're doing a valuable job, we want to make sure that the efforts we make are appreciated."

He suggested he was too engaged in Iraq to keep up with politics back home. "I haven't really been following it too much since we've been over here, ma'am," he told Raddatz. "So, don't really know which issues are too important to me right now. ... I don't know who's running, ma'am."

Lt. Leah Wicks said that, tied into concerns about her family's welfare, were concerns about the economy, "where we're going to be in the future."

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- willo See Profile I'm a Fan of willo permalink

When the guy's that were dumb enough to volunteer to to fight an Imperialistic war for our facist ruler's, based on a bunch of lies, and a false flag 9/11 event, you know reality is starting to take grip.
Our only hope at this time is Obama, and let's pray he isn't another shill for the elite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 04/09/2008
- TimN See Profile I'm a Fan of TimN permalink

"Who gets the troops votes?"

Despite this lame propaganda it ain't going to be Obama.

I defy anyone to produce a poll from a responsible source that suggests Obama or any Democratic Presidential candidate could pull more than 20% of the military vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 04/08/2008
- momofsonofwar See Profile I'm a Fan of momofsonofwar permalink

It is obvious that you do not talk to the troops, the troops have even renamed their gen.
gen. penis - head petraeus

the soldiers do not like the republican candidate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 04/08/2008
- TimN See Profile I'm a Fan of TimN permalink

It is obvious that you are not a mother and likely not even an American.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 AM on 04/09/2008
- BlackWidowPilot See Profile I'm a Fan of BlackWidowPilot permalink

Well, well. I see the usual suspects are showing up on this thread.

Timmy, the only "lame propaganda" are the 900+ *documented* lies about WMDs and spruious claims of connections between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein used to launch and sustain the Bushevik war for oil and empire in Iraq.

Leland R. Erickson

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 04/08/2008
- TimN See Profile I'm a Fan of TimN permalink

I take it you are unable to produce any such poll. Figures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 04/08/2008
- BlackWidowPilot See Profile I'm a Fan of BlackWidowPilot permalink

I may be confusing "thin red" with another Bushevik partisan, but IIRC "thinred" asserted having done some prior military service. Too bad "thinred" clearly learned nothing from the experience, particularly how to be a *human being.*

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 04/08/2008
- julieeiluj See Profile I'm a Fan of julieeiluj permalink

Ron Paul is getting my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 04/08/2008
- Binea See Profile I'm a Fan of Binea permalink

I think that an Obama/Paul ticket would be perfect in so many ways..Both had a good grassroots campaign ( But Paul did not have the Neocon party bosses or the neocon media behind him)Both have drawn many new young voters..both anti Iraq war,both have been fighting for a more transparent and accountable government. Ron Paul is a republican that Obama can work with,Ron Paul will counter Obama's youth with his age..Ron Paul is a wiz on economics,Ron Paul has served in the military.Military love him for all the work he has done for vets,and Here is another reason...

According to the FEC reports, these are the total number and amount of military donations for each of the presidential candidates*:

Ron Paul: 1160 $249k
John McCain: 438 $83k
Mike Huckabee: 126 $37k
Mitt Romney: 126 $24k
Barack Obama: 443 $76k
Hillary Clinton: 154 $41k

IF you go strictly by these numbers,and by what the candidates are saying about this war and getting out,it's pretty clear that Obama gets the majority of military votes,should he be the nominee.
Lets assume Clinton and Paul are out of the race both are for getting out of Iraq asap ( though you can't believe hillary) add those donations to Obamas,he gets 366 K...now add all the pro war candidates together and you get 144 K

Obama/ Paul 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 04/08/2008
- Ramirez See Profile I'm a Fan of Ramirez permalink

Okay. So out of 30 million or so active duty and veteran military, a total of 443 of them donate to Obama. This proves that Obama is the guy the military wants.

Does that make sense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 04/08/2008
- Fightforyourrights See Profile I'm a Fan of Fightforyourrights permalink

Wonderful Idea. And if you assume that the Earth is flat and that water actually flows uphill . . .

Pick up a few thousand nut-cake Ron Paul supporters.

Lose a million or so moderates on the fence.

Why don't you all just scurry back under your rock. You might find a place on the Nader Ticket waiting for you there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 04/08/2008
- Binea See Profile I'm a Fan of Binea permalink

Ronald Regan actually supported Ron Paul.He spoke highly of Ron Paul ( concerning his strong national defense stand).But Ron Paul objects to pre emptive war,he is a non interventionalist.When those fence sitters know this,they will get off the fence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 04/08/2008
- MicahBrwn See Profile I'm a Fan of MicahBrwn permalink

And how many VOTES did Ron Paul get in the primaries?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 04/08/2008
- Binea See Profile I'm a Fan of Binea permalink

Look..go read the republican debate transcripts..you will find you are in agreement with him.There has been a media black out on him,they won't even mention that he's still on the ticket. The necons are in power,they have tight control on Fox News and conservative radio.After each debate they had a poll on who people thought won the debates..always Ron Paul won.Ron Paul would be an excellent vice president to Obama..and as far as his conservative view on some social issues,well..as Vice president he won't be picking any supreme court Judges.When people actually hear Ron Paul..conservatives as well as liberals..they like him,they agree with him on alot.I'd prefer if Ron Paul were president,I'd like to see Roe V wade overturned,but I think a heavily weighted supreme court is dangerous for many reasons.We need balance. Obama / Paul 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 04/08/2008
- IngeniousGirl See Profile I'm a Fan of IngeniousGirl permalink

not even relevant

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 04/08/2008
- teahilton See Profile I'm a Fan of teahilton permalink

Words spoken by someone who knew intimately Iran/Persia, Baghdad, Turkey, Palestine/Israel, and the difference between Shi'a & Sunni:

The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens.

It is not for him to pride himself who loveth his own country, but rather for him who loveth the whole world.

Ye are all leaves of one tree and the fruits of one branch.

The well-being of mankind, its peace and security are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 04/08/2008
- Binea See Profile I'm a Fan of Binea permalink

The government and majority of people in Iraq seem to want Iran to take over or help them..why are we there ? They want Iran..as a soverign nation,that's their choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 04/08/2008
- LeftVetPatriot See Profile I'm a Fan of LeftVetPatriot permalink

This is not going to sit well with out HuffGops, y'know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 04/08/2008
- desmirl See Profile I'm a Fan of desmirl permalink

There seem to be a few HuffGops who have strong opinions. I guess they are either loudmouthed wannabes who have never had the courage to enlist or, if they did, managed to become REMFs. The guys in Iraq who are tired of getting shot at don't seem to be big fans of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Petraeus, or Crocker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 04/08/2008
- CommanderWhitehead See Profile I'm a Fan of CommanderWhitehead permalink


"Troops In Iraq Want Obama, Clinton"

Too bad neither has any intention of really ending the immoral and illegal occupation of sovereign Iraq.

Hell...Clinton and Obama have even proposed a possible "preemptive strike" against Iran if it doesn't stop doing...whatever it is that it's supposed to be doing...(at least according to our "best friend" in the Middle East...the same folks who gave us the 1967 USS Liberty turkey-shoot )
...even though some sixteen of our own Intelligence agencies found nothing at all to be concerned over.

I guess we all need to believe in someone...or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 04/08/2008
- IngeniousGirl See Profile I'm a Fan of IngeniousGirl permalink

Hmmm... so we fight the illegal war and get out of the moral war? Do we abandon the real perpetrators of 911 to go get oil in Iraq? Of course Hillary or Barack will keep this country safe, would you have it any other way? It is a question of choosing between "terrorism or tyranny" as Obama has said.

Obama pledged to get us out safely but he has said he will leave troops there to protect the embassy and provide ability for strike force if necessary but not 150,000 soldiers, more like 40,000 with number going down, that is a lot better than blanketing the country with permanent bases which he has pledged to remove.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 04/08/2008
- GeoLee See Profile I'm a Fan of GeoLee permalink

Interesting that I did not read the same script I saw and heard last night last night on ABC NEWS. Did you edit out the two or three who clearly said the name "Clinton" for a reason? Nothing like Fair and Balanced news, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 04/08/2008
- mojaveblue See Profile I'm a Fan of mojaveblue permalink

I suppose now the right wing talk show blowhards will insist that the "Liberal Media" only chose to interview "Phony Soldiers" who do not represent the majority of those serving in Iraq.
I can hear it now. :-(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 04/08/2008
- Fightforyourrights See Profile I'm a Fan of Fightforyourrights permalink

All political correctness aside, I have to say that anyone now fighting in Iraq that votes for McCain deserves exactly what they will get if he is elected:

1) 100 more years of boots on the ground (and eventually underground) and the death and destruction that comes with it.

2) Inadequate or non-existant medical coverage and educational benefits when/if they return from the war.

3) Poverty for their families at home while they are off fighting - no or little welfare and homelessness when the food stamps run out and the mortgage comes due.

Stop loss aside, this is a VOLUNTEER Military. Whatever their motivations in joining up, a job, public service, etc. they did it willingly. They also (polls and personal experience show) have voted OVERWHELMINGLY to keep current President and his minions in power.

They are Adults and need to learn that actions have consequences. Vote for McCain and you'll learn the true meaning of the old saw "Sow the seeds of discord and reap the Whirlwind". And as they know full well they will bear the immediate brunt of that whirlwind, while condemning the rest of us at home to suffer the consequences as well, my sympathy for those who do has long run out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 04/08/2008
- Binea See Profile I'm a Fan of Binea permalink

Don't be silly..there won't be another hundred years of American presence in Iraq.We will be broke far before then.We will go the way of Rome.We need to get these neocons out of power ( that Includes Hillary)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 04/08/2008
- gonavy See Profile I'm a Fan of gonavy permalink

Your comments could not be more indignant, condescending, and insulting. You are a pompous ass who obviously knows nothing about the American soldiers, their motivations, their political inclinations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 04/08/2008
- IngeniousGirl See Profile I'm a Fan of IngeniousGirl permalink

must have learned at the knee of Karl Rove

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 04/08/2008
- Fightforyourrights See Profile I'm a Fan of Fightforyourrights permalink

Actually I do know something about the motivations and political inclinations of MANY American soldiers. While I will admit I have not been in the military myself, I grew up in a military family, have relatives close and distant who are military or who have served and have many friends who I went to school with in the military and even retired from it. I talk with them frequently about their views.

I grew up on an Air Force base and on visits to the Army hospital next door saw literally hundreds of young men who were missing arms and legs on their return from Viet Nam. THEY were draftees - they had no choice. We all saw what good that war did.

This war is NO different, and even worse as a war of aggression and CHOICE.

So if you find someone telling those who DO have a Choice on how they VOTE and chose to live their lives - killing and fighting in a war of aggression - to think about that choice and the certain consequences of it "condescending and insulting" then that's too bad I suppose.

Someone's got to tell it like it is and speak to the endless stream of right wing crap that posters like you (based on your comments to date on your profile) are spewing.

And at some point SOLDIERS need to take responsibility for their actions and the consequences of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 04/08/2008
- Dandy12 See Profile I'm a Fan of Dandy12 permalink

I feel for the troops, and even more so for those on multi redeployments! This seems to fall into the "cruel and unusual" category. Indeed, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 04/08/2008
- IngeniousGirl See Profile I'm a Fan of IngeniousGirl permalink

The Generals make policy and buff their brass, the Officers map it out and point, the Captains mull it over with the Sgt and then the lawyer tells the soldier don't shoot unless there are 9 preconditions... and off they go to do a meaningless mission ...
sometimes the mission is totally at odds with what the troops know having passed by the village or town the day before.
Troops are bound by one motivation, to stay alive, them and their squad. The troops know this is a dumb war, and they know that Americans are not wanted in Iraq.
The troops know from direct experience that the deaths of their friends and buddies are too high a price when there is no there in the mission.
Troops will vote for Obama or Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 04/08/2008
- gonavy See Profile I'm a Fan of gonavy permalink

sounds like you just watched a documentry.

BTY the "troops" are individuals, their motivations are all different, but yes the overwhelming motivation is usually the guy next to you. The "troops" each cast their own ballots in their home states. They are not the Borg.

This news clip whould have us believe that maybe 1 in 5 will vote republican, and that one is a "hick". Where is your argument that the MSM is giving John McCain a pass, that the MSM is promoting the republican?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 04/08/2008
- IngeniousGirl See Profile I'm a Fan of IngeniousGirl permalink

hmmm, I'm a Blue Star Mom, I have a Soldier on the ground, and news travels fast in their wolrd, not yours. They are overwhelming against McCain but can't express it, and will vote for either Hillary or Obama. If you are military what rank do you hold? If you have not served why? Let me have your bonifieds as to why you are a seer when you don't talk to the troops?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/08/2008
- speakingtruth2power See Profile I'm a Fan of speakingtruth2power permalink


I don't believe many of these polls. With 75% of the country against this war

how the hell can JW McBomb be considered a viable candidate? It's Bushit!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 04/08/2008