General Won't Promise More Iraq Pullouts

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ROBERT BURNS | April 8, 2008 11:05 PM EST | AP

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Gen. David Petraeus testifies on Capitol Hill in Washington, Tuesday, April 8, 2008, before the Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on the status of the war in Iraq. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress Tuesday that hard-won gains in the war zone are too fragile to promise any troop pullouts beyond this summer, holding his ground against impatient Democrats and refusing to commit to more withdrawals before President Bush leaves office in January.

Army Gen. David Petraeus painted a picture of a nation struggling to suppress violence among its own people and to move toward the political reconciliation that Bush said a year ago was the ultimate aim of his new Iraq strategy, which included sending more than 20,000 extra combat troops.

Security is getting better, and Iraq's own forces are becoming more able, Petraeus said. But he also ticked off a list of reasons for worry, including the threat of a resurgence of Sunni or Shiite extremist violence. He highlighted Iran as a special concern, for its training and equipping of extremists.

In back-to-back appearances before two Senate committees, Petraeus was told by a parade of Democrats that, after five years of war, it was past time to turn over much more of the war burden to the Iraqis. Those senators said Iraq will not attain stability until the United States makes the decision to begin withdrawing in large numbers and forces the Iraqis to settle their differences.

Republican Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, a longtime critic of the administration's war strategy, told Petraeus: "The American people have had it up to here."

Petraeus responded, "I certainly share the frustration."

But when it came to promising or predicting a timetable for further withdrawals, Petraeus didn't budge. He said he had recommended to Bush that he complete, by the end of July, the withdrawal of the 20,000 extra troops. Beyond that, the general proposed a 45-day period of "consolidation and evaluation," to be followed by an indefinite period of assessment before he would recommend any further pullouts.

The Petraeus plan, which Bush is expected to embrace, reflects a conservative approach that leaves open the possibility that roughly 140,000 U.S. troops could remain in Iraq when the president leaves office next year.

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On Thursday Bush will make a speech about the war, now in its sixth year, and his decision about troop levels.

In exchanges with several senators, Petraeus refused to say when he thought it would be safe to resume troop reductions beyond July without risking "fragile and reversible" security gains.

Asked Sen. Carl Levin, chairman of the Armed Services Committee: "Could that be a month, could that be two months?"

Petraeus began to respond: "Sir, it could be less than that. It could be. ..."

Levin: "Could it be more than that?"

Petraeus: "It could be more than that. Again, it's when the conditions are met that we can make a recommendation for further reductions."

Levin: "Could it be three months?"

Petraeus: "Sir, again, at the end of the period of consolidation and evaluation. ..."

On they went in the same vein, even after a demonstrator _ "Bring them home! Bring them home!" _ interrupted the hearing and was escorted out.

When Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., started in again later, Petraeus said it would defy logic to establish a timetable before knowing what conditions will be like this summer.

"If you believe as I do _ and the commanders on the ground believe _ that the way forward on reductions should be conditions-based then it is just flat not responsible to try to put down a stake in the ground and say this is when it would be or that is when it would be," Petraeus said.

One of three senators who could be the new president by January, Hillary Rodham Clinton, said much earlier, not in a response to Petraeus, that she disagreed with those who criticized lawmakers who are calling for an orderly withdrawal.

"Rather, I think it could be fair to say that it might well be irresponsible to continue the policy that has not produced the results that have been promised time and time again at such tremendous cost to our national security and to the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States military," she said.

Sen. Barack Obama, her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, told Petraeus that while he wants U.S. troops out of Iraq he would not initiate a precipitous withdrawal. And he said talking regularly to the Iranians is critical to getting to the point where it would be safe to end American involvement.

"I do not believe we are going to be able to stabilize the situation without them," Obama said.

War supporter John McCain, who will be the GOP nominee, said: "Our goal _ my goal _ is an Iraq that no longer needs American troops. And I believe we can achieve that goal, perhaps sooner than many imagine. But I also believe that to promise a withdrawal of our forces, regardless of the consequences, would constitute a failure of political and moral leadership."

Petraeus said his plan is supported by Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who has been notably public in his expressions of concern that the heavy commitment of troops in Iraq has limited U.S. military options elsewhere and has put enormous strain on troops and their families.

Petraeus made no mention of reducing soldiers' tours of duty in Iraq from the current 15 months to 12 months, but the administration is expected to announce a decision to do that this week. It would take effect this summer, coinciding with the completion of the drawdown to 15 combat brigades in Iraq.

Petraeus said the recent flare-up of violence in Basra, in Baghdad and elsewhere points up the importance of the cease-fire declared last year by anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and highlighted the role Iran allegedly plays in funding and training Shiite militias through cells the U.S. military calls "special groups."

"Unchecked, the special groups pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq," Petraeus said.

Testifying beside Petraeus was Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Baghdad, who also focused on the violence in Basra, where Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki dispatched Iraqi security forces to combat Shiite militias.

"Taken as a snapshot, with scenes of increasing violence, and masked gunmen in the streets, it is hard to see how this situation supports a narrative of progress in Iraq," Crocker said. "There is still very much to be done to bring full government control to the streets of Basra and eliminate entrenched extremist, criminal, and militia groups. When viewed with a broader lens, the Iraqi decision to combat these groups in Basra has major significance."

WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress Tuesday that hard-won gains in the war zone are too fragile to promise any troop pullouts beyond this summer, holding his ground against...
WASHINGTON — The top U.S. commander in Iraq told Congress Tuesday that hard-won gains in the war zone are too fragile to promise any troop pullouts beyond this summer, holding his ground against...
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Today's soundbite might just be Sen. Wicker saying that denying surge progress may require a willing suspension of disbelief.

Pow!

I hope Hillary was still there but she may have bolted after she gave her speech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 04/08/2008
- BigLib I'm a Fan of BigLib 18 fans permalink

Sen. Wicker made a sly reference to Clinton's performance last time Petraeus and Crocker were in town:

It's been pointed out by previous questioners the dramatic difference that has occurred in Iraq since the surge began and since you last made your presentation to the Congress.

There's no question that the situation is better now, it's better than when the surge began and it's better than in September. It would take a major suspension of disbelief to conclude otherwise, to conclude that things are not much improved.

Heh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 04/08/2008

OMIGOD BigLib.

You're a timely genius.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 04/08/2008
- MNmommy I'm a Fan of MNmommy 378 fans permalink
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GOOOOO! Senator Feingold!

Kick their asses!

Uh, umm. but al-Qaeda's focus is in Iraq... uh, ummm....

NOT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 04/08/2008

Feingold made silly putty out of a silly general and ambassador!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 04/08/2008

Rd Schultz brought this up on his broadcast today.
It is amazing what our media will not tell us.

Secret US plan for military future in Iraq

“A confidential draft agreement covering the future of US forces in Iraq, passed to the Guardian, shows that provision is being made for an open-ended military presence in the country.”
Here is the link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/08/iraq.usa
Comments?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 04/08/2008
- midtown I'm a Fan of midtown 36 fans permalink

Who the hell does Patreaus think he is? He's not elected. He is a military man interested in keeping his top job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 04/08/2008
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It could be he sees himself going down in history books as "Iraqi" Petreaus alongside "Chinese" Gordon who put down the Taiping Rebellion in the 19th century. On the other hand, he may just want to blow McCain again, who knows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 04/08/2008
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 81 fans permalink
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"Chinese" Gordon, the guy killed at Khartum?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 04/08/2008
- bick I'm a Fan of bick 2 fans permalink

for another example of unelected officials abusing power, see ROVE, KARL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 04/08/2008
- dgscol I'm a Fan of dgscol 4 fans permalink
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In twenty years all the oil will be gone, and then there is no worry. In the sand, there is a sort of natural democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/08/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

The "surge" worked. That is a fact. It achieved it's objective. It staved off iminent civil war. allowing the political process to move forward. It did not. Talk to Condi and the State Dept. about that, and quit asking Petraeus to do her job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 04/08/2008

Your rationale is incredibly glib and false-like you!As long as no political reconciliation takes place-even if one million troops are there-THE GOAL IS N-O-T met!! To you,2+2=5!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 04/08/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Why didn't the General just throw his hands up and say, "What are you asking me for?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 04/08/2008

Nochnoi : Heh - heh...

That would have been the honest thing to do.


-ralph

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 04/08/2008
- victoria I'm a Fan of victoria 2 fans permalink

Been said before many many times. Are we paying attention?


"Published on Saturday, September 22, 2001 by CommonDreams.org
Bush's Orwellian Address
Happy New Year: It's 1984
by Jacob Levich"

"Seventeen years later than expected, 1984 has arrived. In his address to Congress Thursday, George Bush effectively declared permanent war -- war without temporal or geographic limits; war without clear goals; war against a vaguely defined and constantly shifting enemy. Today it's Al-Qaida; tomorrow it may be Afghanistan; next year, it could be Iraq or Cuba or Chechnya.

No one who was forced to read 1984 in high school could fail to hear a faint bell tinkling. In George Orwell's dreary classic, the totalitarian state of Oceania is perpetually at war with either Eurasia or Eastasia. Although the enemy changes periodically, the war is permanent; its true purpose is to control dissent and sustain dictatorship by nurturing popular fear and hatred.

The permanent war undergirds every aspect of Big Brother's authoritarian program, excusing censorship, propaganda, secret police, and privation. In other words, it's terribly convenient­."

* * *

http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views01/0922-07.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 04/08/2008
- zitlight73 I'm a Fan of zitlight73 41 fans permalink

Any and all congressmen and women who have refused to do the will of the American people must be voted out of office in November regardless of party especially the turncoats Pelosi and Reid now is not the time for covering spineless congress. If the executive, congressional and judicial branches of our government refuse to listen to We the People that would leave only revolution as our option of remaining free.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 04/08/2008
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

Come on, Sen. Hagel, make some good points that cut through the bull!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 04/08/2008
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 81 fans permalink
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Perhaps it is hopeless to expect these people to be candid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 04/08/2008
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

Hagel was onto something, as was Sen. Clinton earlier. They're not being given enough time to get to pull back the curtain completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:23 PM on 04/08/2008

If you think that these people care anything about the people of Iraq you are just kidding yourself. Hundreds of thousand of Iraq's men,women and children have died..Mill­ons have been displaced.­.Vital services are not functionin­g...what in the world are people thinking to believe that this is about freeing the people of Iraq. They do not care about the infrastructurr of America or it's peope. And can anyone answer the question..­what is our interest in Iraq?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 04/08/2008
- Marlyn I'm a Fan of Marlyn 81 fans permalink
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"freeing the people of Iraq" ... FREE is a favorite GW Bush buzz word, like FREE TRADE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 04/08/2008
- ErikW65 I'm a Fan of ErikW65 11 fans permalink

I roll my eyes every time they cry their crocodile tears...

What's our interest in Iraq? IMO, it's simply to capture/kill AQ. I'm not sure why we're not doing that. It's the only aspect of the 2002 AUMF that is relevant now, and yet we've given it over to Iraqi forces in the north, while we fight al-Maliki's battles against his former political ally's armed supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 04/08/2008
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dude, Al-Qaeda has all the markings of a complete fabrication. Don't take my word for it, check out the BBC documentary The Power of Nightmares (3rd part).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2081592330319789254

The information is all over the place. I don't speak arabic but it's been said al-qaeda is slang for "the crapper" or something (!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 04/08/2008

Keeping iraqi oil OFF the market for as long as possible-raising oil/gas prices for the Bush/Cheney oil Shieks-and to cause as much chaos aspossible for as long as possible so the Military /Industrial complex can steal a trillion dollars from american taxpayers-without firing a shot at any of us here! THAT'S our interest in IRAQ-and why we went there!! Attacking Iraq because of 9-11 is like attacking New Zealand because the Japanese attacked us at Pearl Harbor!!! Giving these 6th century -Thiking Muslims "DEMOCRACY" is laughable!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 04/08/2008
- browndog2 I'm a Fan of browndog2 6 fans permalink

So,after the war Cheney pulls billions of barrells of Iraqi oil out of his back pocket and becomes rich? Or would that influx of oil drive prices down? I don't get it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 04/08/2008
- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 12 fans permalink
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This war or "crusade" as W occasionally calls it is in the name of god and oil. The name of a neocon type of god, a "kill 'em all" god, a pathological god, not your typical Sunday school version.
'Crusade' is an important word-read up on it as it refers to the neo's and Muslims.
Oil- isn't this one self explanatory?$?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 04/08/2008

Russian intelligence says that we're poised on the border/shores of Iran and that an attack is imminent. I guess the "special interests" ploy is the catalyst. They better hurry! Only 7 months to start WWIII!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 04/08/2008
- CjAzure I'm a Fan of CjAzure 4 fans permalink

As I listen to the many words spoken in the hearings, and see the plot charting of death presentation outlined on TV, I feel compelled to share a poem I wrote back in 2004. The tragedy continues. Peace and justice needs to come home with the troops. “Progress “? Batllefield geometry ? What angle does it make any sense from?

AMBUSHED

Under burnt bridges war rains,
into the hearts of the vulnerable.
bitter propaganda
transcends into rage,
by a mandate of violence.

In modern culture,
an ancient vulture,
descends upon us,
as the bald eagle cries in the blueness.

Families mourn by the thousands,
our loyal youth slain,
grief stained with doubt,
What are they dying about?

A mad cowboy loose,
tightening his public noose,
strangling and wrangling,
our painful September.

a proud paranoia festers,
fear the tool of the beast,
who feeds amid the hunger of fury,
fattening the feast,
of hatred.

Ambushed by hawks,
the eagle swoops by our door,
seeking a nest of deliverance,
from the tempest of war.
CJP@ 2004
Obama/Biden for change and reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 04/08/2008
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The Democrats are not challenging Petreaus on anything strongly. They are cowards and by not challenging Betray Us more fervently , they are warmongers themselves. Betray Us and every politician had better pray that there is no god. Murdering thousands and thousands of Iraqi women and children under the guise of getting even for 911 is PURE EVIL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 04/08/2008
- lechatnoir I'm a Fan of lechatnoir 7 fans permalink

The Dems have given Bush everything he wants since they took control of Congress. Why would it be any different now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 04/08/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 277 fans permalink

End America's Goddamn Iraq Invasion and occupation war crime NOW!

No more bullshit excuses and delays!

The Iraq Invasion and occupation war crime has always been about:

empire, profiteering, Armageddon and the rapture.

Our continued overbearing meddling only causes more damage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 04/08/2008
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